- Dec 3, 2011
Good deeds alone by their very definition are a complete waste of time. If a deed needs to be preceded by the word 'good' than it implies some sort of quota system, ie, 'today I will do some good deeds' as opposed to 'today I will not do some good deeds', surely when all deeds are good, than there is no distinction between deeds and good deeds. The argument between what is more important is pointless, good deeds alone, just like simran on its own, is pointless. I would have thought what makes a person is what their thoughts are. Actions and deeds can be made regardless, but a mindset, that is a different matter.
Harryji, it's the thoughts that lead to actions.
A priest is so because of his actions, a chef is so because of his actions, a thief is so because of his actions, a mechanic is so because of his actions. I am so because of my actions but yes, I would rather be judged and assumed by my thoughts if that were possible.
I mean people in general know you and me from our actions and what we do, it would be nice, if instead they actually knew our thoughts so they could get a better and true picture.
I've just realised whilst saying this, that when we know another's thoughts really well is actually when we love that person. Our partners know our thoughts and thats what makes them soul mates or lovers.
Harryji, you are absolutely correct in saying it's the thoughts that make who you are, but others, except the lord and the ones that love us can't see our thoughts and so they know us by our actions only. So what you come across as to the rest of the world is by your actions, but who you really are is by your thoughts.
It's a good interesting point you made which helped me realise this.
putting yourself in a trance through repetition of words, it is a drug like state with little or no redeeming features in my opinion.
It's not drug like as you remember everything and are more than aware of what is going on. To be in a trance like state, yes, drugs and certain types of music can help people achieve this. But this state of trance is much pure and connected with the lord, try it and see!!
all one has to do is listen, elaborate breathing/muttering/chanting bring nothing extra, I can be in touch and tune with Creator whilst I am driving, walking, eating, it is the concept of a special time when one gets in touch and in tune with Creator that I find hilarious, its a bit like those that think God only exists in the temple, and outside of that anything goes. I have also explained before, but will also say again, this is not my definition of simran, this is my definition of meditation.
There is nothing hilarious, you have said yourself in another post that you feel more connected and have a 'time out' with the lord so to say on your walk to work. This is the same as having a so called 'special time'.
There is nothing wrong with this, it's perfectly normal human behaviour.
I can do simran and meditation virtually anywhere if I can free my mind.
I find myself meditating whilst walking, at the gym, in the steam/sauna, whilst listening to music, in the shower. It doesn't have to be somehwere where I hide away from everyone.
I have heard the same phrase used by pot smoking hippies, next you will be telling me you can smell the colours too
It has to be experienced to understand. The hippies, rastafarians..etc.. are all out looking for ways to be in harmony with creation. Some of them found it with yoga meditation and japji sahib and became 3HO.
Actually I do not, I did, but I have shifted my opinion, I think that seva for the purposes of doing seva is no more superior than simran for the purposes of simran. I think that far more important than either is the state of Naam, the state of connection, that does away with the whole argument altogether, once you have achieved naam, everything is mapped out for you, your connection is 100% 24/7, under this state everything is seva and simran, all at the same time.
Very true, but like I have said before the simran and meditation is like a tool that helps you to achieve this state. If one can achieve without it then that's even better. In this case the seva automatically follows the simran along with everything else.
There can also be ego in simran, lets face it, there can be ego in everything, seva without understanding, without it coming from the heart, without it being an extension of your mindset, can only be the product of ego
Simran and meditation helps to bring your own disguised hidden ego to the forefront. This is the difference, it helps you to confront it.
Whereas seva can fool one's ego quite easily, so one has to be careful and cautious.