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Which Is More Important Simran Or Sewa?
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Let us not get astray by incorrect interpretation of gurbani. Here sabhnee is all my body organs and karta is my mind and not creator. The basic fundamental of gurbani is God does not interfere.
Best regards
Mohinder Singh Sahni
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Satnaam Mohinder Ji,
Can you clarify your thoughts on 'God does not interfere' ?
in my understanding and experience, god is ONE, all is within god, and everything is GOD...so by the mere fact that you are saying god does not interfere, you are creating a seperation between god and his creation, when in actual fact this seperation is only created by Mind and Ego, and fact is that there is NO seperation at all.
Only upon pushing Ego to one side, does the illusion of seperateness dissapear and we realise that we have always been ONE with GOD.
Yes the separation is there and will remain there until we shift our paradigm from manh ki matt to guru ki matt. When we relish guru ki matt all action automatically reflect oneness.
Best regards
Mohinder Singh Sahni
Kuwait
Best regards
Mohinder Singh Sahni
Kuwait
Mohinder ji
Gurfateh
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:੧॥ਵਦੀ ਸੁਵ ਜਗਿ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਸਚਾ ਵੇਖੈ ਸੋਇ॥ ਸਭਨੀ ਛਾਲਾ ਮਾਰੀਆ ਕਰਤਾ ਕਰੇ ਸੁ ਹੋਇ॥ vadee so vajag naankaa sachaa vaykhai so-ay.sabhnee chhaalaa maaree-aa kartaa karay so ho-ay.
ਵਦੀ….means ordained, arranged etc and ਵਜਗਿ…means will happen, transpire.
Whatever the Lord (WaheGuru) has ordained will happen. O Nanak, the True Lord, himself, watches over us (sustains life). All beings (being ambitious) exert themselves to the fullest but the reward is in His Hands – the end result is as He desires.
ਅਗੈ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਜੋਰੁ ਹੈ ਅਗੈ ਜੀਉ ਨਵੇ॥ ਜਿਨ ਕੀ ਲੇਖੈ ਪਤਿ ਪਵੈ ਚੰਗੇ ਸੇਈ ਕੇਇ॥੩॥ agai jaat na jor hai agai jee-o navay. jin kee laykhai pat pavai changay say-ee kay-ay. ||3||
In the Lord’s Court there is no distinction based on race, caste or worldly status. There is no injustice – True Justice prevails. Only the select few, on the basis of their good deeds, receive His Grace.
The following Pauri also supports this:
ਪਉੜੀ॥ਧੁਰਿ ਕਰਮੁ ਜਿਨਾ ਕਉ ਤੁਧੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਤਾ ਤਿਨੀ ਤਾਤਿਨੀਖਸਮੁਧਿਆਇਆ॥ karam jinaa ka-o tudh paa-i-aa taa tinee khasam dhi-aa-i-aa.
Those who are blessed by You ,from the very beginning, have meditated upon You.
ਏਨਾ ਜੰਤਾ ਕੈ ਵਸਿ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਤੁਧੁ ਵੇਕੀ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ॥ aynaa jantaa kai vas kichh naahee tudh vaykee jagat upaa-i-aa.
ਵੇਕੀ….. complex; multi-faceted; multi-coloured.
In this colourful (eventful) world as established by You, the Jeevas (beings) have little control upon what they do.
ਇਕਨਾ ਨੋ ਤੂੰ ਮੇਲਿ ਲੈਹਿ ਇਕਿ ਆਪਹੁ ਤੁਧੁ ਖੁਆਇਆ॥ iknaa no too<SUP>n</SUP> mayl laihi ik aaphu tudh khu-aa-i-aa.
ਖੁਆਇਆ… separated, divorced
Some, by your Will, merge in You whilst the others remain separated.
Mohinder ji, I know you are very thorough in your research when translating and interpreting Gurbani and you don’t take these issues lightly; so please forgive me if I have got this wrong.
Best wishes and regards.
Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’
Gurfateh
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ਵਦੀ….means ordained, arranged etc and ਵਜਗਿ…means will happen, transpire.
Whatever the Lord (WaheGuru) has ordained will happen. O Nanak, the True Lord, himself, watches over us (sustains life). All beings (being ambitious) exert themselves to the fullest but the reward is in His Hands – the end result is as He desires.
ਅਗੈ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਜੋਰੁ ਹੈ ਅਗੈ ਜੀਉ ਨਵੇ॥ ਜਿਨ ਕੀ ਲੇਖੈ ਪਤਿ ਪਵੈ ਚੰਗੇ ਸੇਈ ਕੇਇ॥੩॥ agai jaat na jor hai agai jee-o navay. jin kee laykhai pat pavai changay say-ee kay-ay. ||3||
In the Lord’s Court there is no distinction based on race, caste or worldly status. There is no injustice – True Justice prevails. Only the select few, on the basis of their good deeds, receive His Grace.
The following Pauri also supports this:
ਪਉੜੀ॥ਧੁਰਿ ਕਰਮੁ ਜਿਨਾ ਕਉ ਤੁਧੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਤਾ ਤਿਨੀ ਤਾਤਿਨੀਖਸਮੁਧਿਆਇਆ॥ karam jinaa ka-o tudh paa-i-aa taa tinee khasam dhi-aa-i-aa.
Those who are blessed by You ,from the very beginning, have meditated upon You.
ਏਨਾ ਜੰਤਾ ਕੈ ਵਸਿ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਤੁਧੁ ਵੇਕੀ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ॥ aynaa jantaa kai vas kichh naahee tudh vaykee jagat upaa-i-aa.
ਵੇਕੀ….. complex; multi-faceted; multi-coloured.
In this colourful (eventful) world as established by You, the Jeevas (beings) have little control upon what they do.
ਇਕਨਾ ਨੋ ਤੂੰ ਮੇਲਿ ਲੈਹਿ ਇਕਿ ਆਪਹੁ ਤੁਧੁ ਖੁਆਇਆ॥ iknaa no too<SUP>n</SUP> mayl laihi ik aaphu tudh khu-aa-i-aa.
ਖੁਆਇਆ… separated, divorced
Some, by your Will, merge in You whilst the others remain separated.
Mohinder ji, I know you are very thorough in your research when translating and interpreting Gurbani and you don’t take these issues lightly; so please forgive me if I have got this wrong.
Best wishes and regards.
Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’
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Gurfatehji
I personally feel good deeds count for nothing, I think it is the state of mind that we attempt to achieve, not through parrot squawking, inward contemplation or other fancy new age rituals, but boring hard understanding and practice of Bani.
I feel at one with God right now veerji, I have no illusion of seperateness, and my ego remains intact. Also, I feel truly pushing the ego to one side requires a bit more than paying lip service to the concept.
If our insides do not match our outsides, what is the point,.
I personally feel good deeds count for nothing, I think it is the state of mind that we attempt to achieve, not through parrot squawking, inward contemplation or other fancy new age rituals, but boring hard understanding and practice of Bani.
I feel at one with God right now veerji, I have no illusion of seperateness, and my ego remains intact. Also, I feel truly pushing the ego to one side requires a bit more than paying lip service to the concept.
If our insides do not match our outsides, what is the point,.
Harry ji
Gurfateh
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My main purpose was to focus on the translation of the <I>pankti</I>:
<I>vadee so vajag naankaa sachaa sabhnee chhaalaa maaree-aa kartaa karay so ho-ay. (469)</I>
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However, I got carried away and ventured a little further in the time available.
<I>You wrote: “I personally feel good deeds count for nothing, I think it is the state of mind that we attempt to achieve, not through parrot squawking, inward contemplation or other fancy new age rituals, but boring hard understanding and practice of Bani”.</I>
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I do not know what we are debating here. Understanding Gurbani and adopting its teachings in our practical lives may be difficult at times but certainly not boring - it is an exiting and uplifting process of learning, assimilation and application.
I agree with you this is the right way for us to progress towards spiritual enlightenment or whatever you may want to call it – <I>Naam jappo, kirat karo, </I>and<I> wand shako</I> (remaining attached to His Naam, honest labour, and sharing our fruits of labour and spiritual knowledge/philosophy with others are a major part of clean and Truthful Living. I accept we all interpret this according to our own experience and spiritual status. If this practice does not translate into good deeds then what will? At the end of the day we are judged by our actions. Let us take the relevant <I>pankti</I> again.
ਜਿਨ ਕੀ ਲੇਖੈ ਪਤਿ ਪਵੈ ਚੰਗੇ ਸੇਈ ਕੇਇ॥੩॥ <I>jin kee laykhai pat pavai changay say-ee kay-ay. ||3|| (469)</I>
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ਲੇਖੈ… means accountability (judgement) of our actions; ਪਤਿ….translates into respect, recognition.
I respectfully, leave it to you to translate the rest as per your own understanding.
<I>You wrote: “Also, I feel truly pushing the ego to one side requires a bit more than paying lip service to the concept”.</I>
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Agreed ji but it goes a little further than just putting it to one side. I wrote a whole article on ego which was posted on SPN under ‘Spiritual Articles’. It may (or may not) help.
<I>“If our insides do not match our outsides, what is the point,”</I>
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Absolutely - Truth is noble and divine but higher still is truthful living.
Just an attempt to further clarify my point of view and no offence or discourtesy intended.
Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’
Gurfateh
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My main purpose was to focus on the translation of the <I>pankti</I>:
<I>vadee so vajag naankaa sachaa sabhnee chhaalaa maaree-aa kartaa karay so ho-ay. (469)</I>
<I></I>
However, I got carried away and ventured a little further in the time available.
<I>You wrote: “I personally feel good deeds count for nothing, I think it is the state of mind that we attempt to achieve, not through parrot squawking, inward contemplation or other fancy new age rituals, but boring hard understanding and practice of Bani”.</I>
<I></I>
I do not know what we are debating here. Understanding Gurbani and adopting its teachings in our practical lives may be difficult at times but certainly not boring - it is an exiting and uplifting process of learning, assimilation and application.
I agree with you this is the right way for us to progress towards spiritual enlightenment or whatever you may want to call it – <I>Naam jappo, kirat karo, </I>and<I> wand shako</I> (remaining attached to His Naam, honest labour, and sharing our fruits of labour and spiritual knowledge/philosophy with others are a major part of clean and Truthful Living. I accept we all interpret this according to our own experience and spiritual status. If this practice does not translate into good deeds then what will? At the end of the day we are judged by our actions. Let us take the relevant <I>pankti</I> again.
ਜਿਨ ਕੀ ਲੇਖੈ ਪਤਿ ਪਵੈ ਚੰਗੇ ਸੇਈ ਕੇਇ॥੩॥ <I>jin kee laykhai pat pavai changay say-ee kay-ay. ||3|| (469)</I>
<I></I>
ਲੇਖੈ… means accountability (judgement) of our actions; ਪਤਿ….translates into respect, recognition.
I respectfully, leave it to you to translate the rest as per your own understanding.
<I>You wrote: “Also, I feel truly pushing the ego to one side requires a bit more than paying lip service to the concept”.</I>
<I></I>
Agreed ji but it goes a little further than just putting it to one side. I wrote a whole article on ego which was posted on SPN under ‘Spiritual Articles’. It may (or may not) help.
<I>“If our insides do not match our outsides, what is the point,”</I>
<I></I>
Absolutely - Truth is noble and divine but higher still is truthful living.
Just an attempt to further clarify my point of view and no offence or discourtesy intended.
Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’
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Your ego is within you. To be able to push it and dampen it can only be done if you are able to understand and be in tune with your own 'within'.
I still think that you feel that seva is far more superior to simran.
It's actually 'ego' that tells you this.
But a person that does both, doesn't find any reason to compare.
One persons definition of seva is not the others. In another thread, I did point out the problem that we can very easily encounter with our ego associated with acts of seva.
Waheguru
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Rajinderji
The problem with Sikhism is that is its quite boring. By my understanding, no miracles, no afterlife, no divine intervention, no prayers answered by soul stirring music, thunder and lightning etc. No bells to ring, no candles to light, no photos or idols to bow before, no heaven, no sin, I mean its no wonder really that many have adopted Vedic practices and some still maintain that a mention in the SGGS is a validation of existence.
I find studying the SGGS similar to when I was a student at school. There is theory, practical, after a while you come to love and respect the words as if they had personality themselves, which they do. What we are debating here is whether it is better to go out in the world and do the best you can, or hide away in dark rooms and connect with your self.
Who judges us? what is the punishment? what is the reward? My understanding is that there is no judgement, no punishment and no reward. Judgement is handed out immediately by Creation depending on your actions, if you kick a dog, it will bite you. Your post seems to intimate that good deeds will bring us a positive judgement, I agree to this to the extent that doing good rarely has bad consequences, but accountability to a higher power, I do not think so, we have free will to either follow Hukam or not, if a smoker ignores advice not to smoke and gets lung cancer, that is not celestial justice, that is Creation at work within the laws set out by Creator, intervention is non existent in my view.
A very good read sir, if I may, I find the phrases 'with the Gurus Grace' and 'with the Gurus blessing' slightly defeating. I take a much more simplistic route, ego is something that needs to be understood. If I eat too much sugar, I may get diabetes, I know this, so I cut my sugar down, if I am ego ridden, then I cannot see any further than me, so in the same way, I need to be aware of the damage ego can cause me, it is my job, my look out to control the same, it requires discretion, understanding, to say that I will accomplish this with the Gurus blessing implies I am not willing to undertake the task on my own, that I require magical help, that I must chant and pray for this help, when I could be spending the time learning and studying.
absolutely none taken, these reflect my own opinions only, rather than any interpretation of Bani I would push on another.
The problem with Sikhism is that is its quite boring. By my understanding, no miracles, no afterlife, no divine intervention, no prayers answered by soul stirring music, thunder and lightning etc. No bells to ring, no candles to light, no photos or idols to bow before, no heaven, no sin, I mean its no wonder really that many have adopted Vedic practices and some still maintain that a mention in the SGGS is a validation of existence.
I find studying the SGGS similar to when I was a student at school. There is theory, practical, after a while you come to love and respect the words as if they had personality themselves, which they do. What we are debating here is whether it is better to go out in the world and do the best you can, or hide away in dark rooms and connect with your self.
Who judges us? what is the punishment? what is the reward? My understanding is that there is no judgement, no punishment and no reward. Judgement is handed out immediately by Creation depending on your actions, if you kick a dog, it will bite you. Your post seems to intimate that good deeds will bring us a positive judgement, I agree to this to the extent that doing good rarely has bad consequences, but accountability to a higher power, I do not think so, we have free will to either follow Hukam or not, if a smoker ignores advice not to smoke and gets lung cancer, that is not celestial justice, that is Creation at work within the laws set out by Creator, intervention is non existent in my view.
A very good read sir, if I may, I find the phrases 'with the Gurus Grace' and 'with the Gurus blessing' slightly defeating. I take a much more simplistic route, ego is something that needs to be understood. If I eat too much sugar, I may get diabetes, I know this, so I cut my sugar down, if I am ego ridden, then I cannot see any further than me, so in the same way, I need to be aware of the damage ego can cause me, it is my job, my look out to control the same, it requires discretion, understanding, to say that I will accomplish this with the Gurus blessing implies I am not willing to undertake the task on my own, that I require magical help, that I must chant and pray for this help, when I could be spending the time learning and studying.
absolutely none taken, these reflect my own opinions only, rather than any interpretation of Bani I would push on another.
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Luckyji
Good deeds alone by their very definition are a complete waste of time. If a deed needs to be preceded by the word 'good' than it implies some sort of quota system, ie, 'today I will do some good deeds' as opposed to 'today I will not do some good deeds', surely when all deeds are good, than there is no distinction between deeds and good deeds. The argument between what is more important is pointless, good deeds alone, just like simran on its own, is pointless. I would have thought what makes a person is what their thoughts are. Actions and deeds can be made regardless, but a mindset, that is a different matter.
NO, not on its own,
putting yourself in a trance through repetition of words, it is a drug like state with little or no redeeming features in my opinion.
all one has to do is listen, elaborate breathing/muttering/chanting bring nothing extra, I can be in touch and tune with Creator whilst I am driving, walking, eating, it is the concept of a special time when one gets in touch and in tune with Creator that I find hilarious, its a bit like those that think God only exists in the temple, and outside of that anything goes. I have also explained before, but will also say again, this is not my definition of simran, this is my definition of meditation.
I have heard the same phrase used by pot smoking hippies, next you will be telling me you can smell the colours too..
agreed!
Actually I do not, I did, but I have shifted my opinion, I think that seva for the purposes of doing seva is no more superior than simran for the purposes of simran. I think that far more important than either is the state of Naam, the state of connection, that does away with the whole argument altogether, once you have achieved naam, everything is mapped out for you, your connection is 100% 24/7, under this state everything is seva and simran, all at the same time.
Agreed!
There can also be ego in simran, lets face it, there can be ego in everything, seva without understanding, without it coming from the heart, without it being an extension of your mindset, can only be the product of ego
Good deeds alone by their very definition are a complete waste of time. If a deed needs to be preceded by the word 'good' than it implies some sort of quota system, ie, 'today I will do some good deeds' as opposed to 'today I will not do some good deeds', surely when all deeds are good, than there is no distinction between deeds and good deeds. The argument between what is more important is pointless, good deeds alone, just like simran on its own, is pointless. I would have thought what makes a person is what their thoughts are. Actions and deeds can be made regardless, but a mindset, that is a different matter.
NO, not on its own,
putting yourself in a trance through repetition of words, it is a drug like state with little or no redeeming features in my opinion.
all one has to do is listen, elaborate breathing/muttering/chanting bring nothing extra, I can be in touch and tune with Creator whilst I am driving, walking, eating, it is the concept of a special time when one gets in touch and in tune with Creator that I find hilarious, its a bit like those that think God only exists in the temple, and outside of that anything goes. I have also explained before, but will also say again, this is not my definition of simran, this is my definition of meditation.
I have heard the same phrase used by pot smoking hippies, next you will be telling me you can smell the colours too..
agreed!
Actually I do not, I did, but I have shifted my opinion, I think that seva for the purposes of doing seva is no more superior than simran for the purposes of simran. I think that far more important than either is the state of Naam, the state of connection, that does away with the whole argument altogether, once you have achieved naam, everything is mapped out for you, your connection is 100% 24/7, under this state everything is seva and simran, all at the same time.
Agreed!
There can also be ego in simran, lets face it, there can be ego in everything, seva without understanding, without it coming from the heart, without it being an extension of your mindset, can only be the product of ego
Luckyji
Good deeds alone by their very definition are a complete waste of time. If a deed needs to be preceded by the word 'good' than it implies some sort of quota system, ie, 'today I will do some good deeds' as opposed to 'today I will not do some good deeds', surely when all deeds are good, than there is no distinction between deeds and good deeds. The argument between what is more important is pointless, good deeds alone, just like simran on its own, is pointless. I would have thought what makes a person is what their thoughts are. Actions and deeds can be made regardless, but a mindset, that is a different matter.
A good deed is one that is done for the benefit of 'Others' and not for 'Oneself' (selfless service) -as a by-product it brings humilty in ourselves.
A good deed done with Self may still help the other party, but will bring no humilty in us, and our spiritual path is made more dificult.
But Simran will clear your thoughts, make them more pure THEN just like you said, your actions and deeds are done with the right mindset, a pure mindset and ALL your deeds are good deeds.
putting yourself in a trance through repetition of words, it is a drug like state with little or no redeeming features in my opinion.
For me it opens my consciosness to experience my soul, and opens me up to higher energies. what i'm experiencing is the TRUTH. it is in no way a Drug like state...I am fully aware of all that is occuring and being shown to me. I sit with openness and accept i am nothing and God is all, and Guru Ji does the rest.
all one has to do is listen, elaborate breathing/muttering/chanting bring nothing extra, I can be in touch and tune with Creator whilst I am driving, walking, eating, it is the concept of a special time when one gets in touch and in tune with Creator that I find hilarious, its a bit like those that think God only exists in the temple, and outside of that anything goes. I have also explained before, but will also say again, this is not my definition of simran, this is my definition of meditation.
pa(n)chaa kaa gur eaek dhhiaan ||
The chosen ones meditate single-mindedly on the Guru.
Please pay careful attection to the words meditate 'Single-minded'.
If you're able to do this whilst driving, working, eating, drinking...then please share
I have heard the same phrase used by pot smoking hippies, next you will be telling me you can smell the colours too..
Someone on Ecstacy drug will say they felt Bliss....someone connected to God will say they felt Bliss....can you differentiate between the two 'bliss' experiences....point is doesnt matter what anyone says...you need to experience it yourself, then only you will know.
agreed!
once you have achieved naam, everything is mapped out for you, your connection is 100% 24/7, under this state everything is seva and simran, all at the same time.
Gurbani is giving you the technology to 'Achieve Naam' as you put it.
If you are on the 4th floor of a building and need to get to the ground floor to pick up a parcel, Yes you can jump out the window...it will get you to the ground floor, or you can walk down the stairs (i know which i'll rather do). point is, Guru ji shows us the way...we can take the easy way as defined by Guru Ji, or we can take the harder way (as confused by the Ego mind).
There can also be ego in simran, lets face it, there can be ego in everything, seva without understanding, without it coming from the heart, without it being an extension of your mindset, can only be the product of ego
Simran allows you to face your ego, understand it, seperate yourself from its stranglehold and free youself to experience god. Yes Ego will exists in the initial stages but with Guru Ji's grace, progress will be made and the light starts to shine through Ego.
God bless all
Harry ji
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I am pushed for time right now but would have liked to go into more detail – perhaps later.
Simran and sewa (seva) go hand in hand. One without the other will fire up ego. Gurbani teaches us to do Sewa with <I>shudh hirdha</I> (purity of heart and intention) - <I>nishkam sewa</I> (i.e. serving without expecting a return – selfless sewa). Gurbani, amongst other things, assists to nurture a <I>shudh hirda</I>. Simran here is used as a term which goes beyond mere reciting and into actual interpretation and understanding – ready for implementation.
Again, I repeat, Sikhi is certainly not boring. True we do not have the razmataz attached to other faiths, but that does not make Sikhi boring. Every time I visit Guru ji (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) I return with <I>khulay gaffeys</I> (generous handfuls) of priceless gems of knowledge and wisdom. More on this later – really pushed for time.
Regards and apologies for any errors - written in haste.
Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’
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I am pushed for time right now but would have liked to go into more detail – perhaps later.
Simran and sewa (seva) go hand in hand. One without the other will fire up ego. Gurbani teaches us to do Sewa with <I>shudh hirdha</I> (purity of heart and intention) - <I>nishkam sewa</I> (i.e. serving without expecting a return – selfless sewa). Gurbani, amongst other things, assists to nurture a <I>shudh hirda</I>. Simran here is used as a term which goes beyond mere reciting and into actual interpretation and understanding – ready for implementation.
Again, I repeat, Sikhi is certainly not boring. True we do not have the razmataz attached to other faiths, but that does not make Sikhi boring. Every time I visit Guru ji (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) I return with <I>khulay gaffeys</I> (generous handfuls) of priceless gems of knowledge and wisdom. More on this later – really pushed for time.
Regards and apologies for any errors - written in haste.
Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’
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Chazji
The phrase ' by my understanding' is deliberate, I dislike making categoric universal statements that imply I alone have all the answers. You will also find, 'I think' 'it is my belief', 'in my opinion' rather than 'there is', 'there can be', 'then you will know' etc.
I think you may have posted the wrong link
The phrase ' by my understanding' is deliberate, I dislike making categoric universal statements that imply I alone have all the answers. You will also find, 'I think' 'it is my belief', 'in my opinion' rather than 'there is', 'there can be', 'then you will know' etc.
I think you may have posted the wrong link
Chazji
The phrase ' by my understanding' is deliberate, I dislike making categoric universal statements that imply I alone have all the answers. You will also find, 'I think' 'it is my belief', 'in my opinion' rather than 'there is', 'there can be', 'then you will know' etc.
I think you may have posted the wrong link
wrong link?
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I used the expression "boring" to highlight the fact that Sikhi encourages a minimum of fuss and ceremony in the whole aspect of worship. I like it like that, I would not have it any other way, in fact, I would go as far as to say that I am probably incapable of following any other religion due to my intense dislike or ritual and ceremony.
What I love about Sikhism is the simplicity, the lack of reward, the ability to use your own brain, to be logical, scientific, it is rare that I embrace a new concept in Sikhism and think, 'well thats pretty unlikely', no tall stories, no divine miracles, it is simple and unexciting, all one has to do is be a genuinely good person with love in their heart, judge no other, learn to control the mind, and be happy with whatever outcome,
so that I may clarify myself clearly, It is the simplicity and the bare bones of enlightenment , in that context, the word 'boring' is to be taken as a compliment, compared with the exciting competition, virgins in paradise, elephants, monkeys, multi limbed gods, etc
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Chazji
Wrong video I think, I was all geared up for judgement, and I got spirituality
Wrong video I think, I was all geared up for judgement, and I got spirituality
No ji, its the correct video...
please watch it all from start to finish...but from 1minute onwards you get your answer about judgement, but it all ties in with his complete message.
God bless u
Whatever the Lord (WaheGuru) has ordained will happen. O Nanak, the True Lord, himself, watches over us (sustains life). All beings (being ambitious) exert themselves to the fullest but the reward is in His Hands – the end result is as He desires. S. Arshi Ji
Arshi Ji,
For me whole of gurbani is guide 'how to be truthful'. Gurbani dimsises ordained will of waheuru by tellin, din rat kamairo so ayo mathai SGGS.461.4
When I go through the pauri of the sabd which is the central idea of the sloke it reads like, 'gur kirpa tai jaania jithai tudh aap bhujaia sehjai hi sach smaeya' - when I relish the sabd guru I recognize myself and thus in natural way I entered into bliss.
When I reflect the central idea on the sloke, I observe the context of the sabd is demon thought' mind which has taken control over my body. Thus despite efforts of all my body organs I was able to do only what mind wished, since the whole body is bondage to the order of mind. In that context 'aagai jaat n jor' means by applying force I cannot change the order of mind.
Meaning of 'Jin kai laikhai patt hovai' who are able to relish the divine wisdom, here you will notice 'patt' stands for divine wisdom and not honor.
Best regards
Mohinder Singh Sahni
Arshi Ji,
For me whole of gurbani is guide 'how to be truthful'. Gurbani dimsises ordained will of waheuru by tellin, din rat kamairo so ayo mathai SGGS.461.4
When I go through the pauri of the sabd which is the central idea of the sloke it reads like, 'gur kirpa tai jaania jithai tudh aap bhujaia sehjai hi sach smaeya' - when I relish the sabd guru I recognize myself and thus in natural way I entered into bliss.
When I reflect the central idea on the sloke, I observe the context of the sabd is demon thought' mind which has taken control over my body. Thus despite efforts of all my body organs I was able to do only what mind wished, since the whole body is bondage to the order of mind. In that context 'aagai jaat n jor' means by applying force I cannot change the order of mind.
Meaning of 'Jin kai laikhai patt hovai' who are able to relish the divine wisdom, here you will notice 'patt' stands for divine wisdom and not honor.
Best regards
Mohinder Singh Sahni
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I had been reading posts for the last couple of days but did not feel inclined to respond. This morning I noticed the URL header and when I saw 1666 (Guru Govind Singh year of birth) and 45 I knew this was my cue to send a small message on this thread. I have had a previous "experience" of 1666 so knew this was Guru's "sign."
Some sing of His Gifts, and know His sign and Insignia - Ang 1
Guru "speaks" through Gurbani to us all we simply need to watch for his signals
Ang 45 - http://www.searchgurbani.com/guru_granth_sahib/ang/45
Why do I know this? It is an intuitive knowing a blessing that Guru has opened up within. I see signs, riddles, hints and clues that Guru puts on my path and with a sense of fun and high Spirit (Chardi Kala.) Life is for living in Joy. The answers we seek we can asked aloud or through the heart and then Guru Ji will show you his "signals" and the path to take.
Let Guru guide each of us on the best method of simran (meditation) and the seva will flow naturally from within.
Blessings and Joy to All
Mandip
I had been reading posts for the last couple of days but did not feel inclined to respond. This morning I noticed the URL header and when I saw 1666 (Guru Govind Singh year of birth) and 45 I knew this was my cue to send a small message on this thread. I have had a previous "experience" of 1666 so knew this was Guru's "sign."
Some sing of His Gifts, and know His sign and Insignia - Ang 1
Guru "speaks" through Gurbani to us all we simply need to watch for his signals
Ang 45 - http://www.searchgurbani.com/guru_granth_sahib/ang/45
Why do I know this? It is an intuitive knowing a blessing that Guru has opened up within. I see signs, riddles, hints and clues that Guru puts on my path and with a sense of fun and high Spirit (Chardi Kala.) Life is for living in Joy. The answers we seek we can asked aloud or through the heart and then Guru Ji will show you his "signals" and the path to take.
Let Guru guide each of us on the best method of simran (meditation) and the seva will flow naturally from within.
Blessings and Joy to All
Mandip
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