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Sidh Gosht - An Alternative Translation

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    My interpretation contd..... Comments welcome.

    Summary so far: the true saint is Waheguru. Waheguru’s will controls all. The true yoga is constant remembrance of Ik Oankar. A true hermit is a person who lives in the world but is able to not be tainted by it. Using Shabad Guru helps us achieve this.

    From Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji starting Ang 939

    Green = sidhs (human) Blue = Guru Nanak Dev ji’s reply
    ਕਵਨੁਸੁਗੁਪਤਾਕਵਨੁਸੁਮੁਕਤਾ Kavan S Gupathaa Kavan S Mukathaa ||
    Who is hidden? Who is liberated?

    ਕਵਨੁਸੁਅੰਤਰਿਬਾਹਰਿਜੁਗਤਾ Kavan S Anthar Baahar Jugathaa ||
    Who is united, inwardly and outwardly? i.e. Both mind and body are in tune

    ਕਵਨੁਸੁਆਵੈਕਵਨੁਸੁਜਾਇ Kavan S Aavai Kavan S Jaae ||
    Who comes, and who goes? i.e. entangled in circle of rebirth

    ਕਵਨੁਸੁਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣਿਰਹਿਆਸਮਾਇ੧੨ Kavan S Thribhavan Rehiaa Samaae ||12||
    Who is united with the ruler of the three worlds?""||12|| (Does not mean we believe in 3 worlds but it was a common description of God at the time)

    ਘਟਿਘਟਿਗੁਪਤਾਗੁਰਮੁਖਿਮੁਕਤਾGhatt Ghatt Gupathaa Guramukh Mukathaa ||
    He is hidden within each and every heart. The Gurmukh is liberated from the bonds of Maya.

    ਅੰਤਰਿਬਾਹਰਿਸਬਦਿਸੁਜੁਗਤਾAnthar Baahar Sabadh S Jugathaa ||
    Through the Word of the Shabad, one is united, inwardly and outwardly. This means they are able to control the 5 burdens so you are not put in conflict between the conscious and the subconscious.

    ਮਨਮੁਖਿਬਿਨਸੈਆਵੈਜਾਇ Manamukh Binasai Aavai Jaae ||
    The manmukh is stuck in the cycle of rebirth of the mind.

    ਨਾਨਕਗੁਰਮੁਖਿਸਾਚਿਸਮਾਇ੧੩Naanak Guramukh Saach Samaae ||13||
    Nanak says, it is the Gurmukh who remains merged with the Truth in mind and spirit. ||13||
     
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    Jasleen Ji,

    Please have a look at this link Page 27 onwards.
    I did this course in Gurmukhi and luckily it is available in English.
    It's the 260 page ebook in scribdassets.
    http://www.scribd.com/search?query=sidh+gosht
    It might not give you a translation but rather the history of Guru Nanak's encounters
    with the various Siddhas - what transpired between them Depicted by Kavi Santokh Singh.

    In June/July, the Sidh Gosht syllabus book will be out by SGGS Academy Malaysia.
    They even have a website but at present, it is not uploaded yet.
    I'm eagerly waiting for it too.

    ~ Astroboy ~



     
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    ਕਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਬਾਧਾ ਸਰਪਨਿ ਖਾਧਾ Kio Kar Baadhhaa Sarapan Khaadhhaa ||
    "How has this life been entrenched in bondage to the serpent of Maya so tightly?

    ਕਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਖੋਇਆ ਕਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਲਾਧਾ Kio Kar Khoeiaa Kio Kar Laadhhaa ||
    How have we lost the meaning of life? And how do we regain it?

    ਕਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਕਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਅੰਧਿਆਰਾ Kio Kar Niramal Kio Kar Andhhiaaraa ||
    How does one become immaculate and pure? How is the darkness of ignorance lodged in front of us?

    ਇਹੁ ਤਤੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੈ ਸੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਮਾਰਾ ੧੪Eihu Thath Beechaarai S Guroo Hamaaraa ||14||
    Whoever is able to understand and explain the reality is our Guru and we will pay our respects to him."||14||

    ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਬਾਧਾ ਸਰਪਨਿ ਖਾਧਾ Dhuramath Baadhhaa Sarapan Khaadhhaa ||
    Man is bound so tight by Maya that the serpent is eating away at him and he doesn’t want to let go.

    ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਖੋਇਆ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਲਾਧਾ Manamukh Khoeiaa Guramukh Laadhhaa ||
    The manmukh, the one who follows his mind (which is enraptured by the serpent of Maya), loses all sense of the purpose of life, whereas the Gurmukh makes true gains from life. The manmukh is lost, the gurmukh has found meaning.

    ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਅੰਧੇਰਾ ਜਾਇ Sathigur Milai Andhhaeraa Jaae ||
    When the Gurmukh connects with the inner Satguru (God), the darkness caused by Maya (duality) is dispelled from their sight.

    ਨਾਨਕ ਹਉਮੈ ਮੇਟਿ ਸਮਾਇ ੧੫Naanak Houmai Maett Samaae ||15||
    Nanak says, only by eradicating egotism, can one merge with Ik Oankar. Only by removing the illusion of self and the duality that results from it can you feel the connection with Naam. ||15||

    ਸੁੰਨ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ਦੀਜੈ ਬੰਧੁ Sunn Niranthar Dheejai Bandhh ||
    ਉਡੈ ਹੰਸਾ ਪੜੈ ਕੰਧੁ Ouddai N Hansaa Parrai N Kandhh ||

    If the mind remains in constant contemplation, not distracted by anything else (i.e. not influenced by Maya) then duality doesn’t cause the mind to explode and the body doesn’t fall apart (as we treat it more kindly I think due to fewer indulgences making to stronger!)

    The physical body cannot be disregarded as it is the vehicle which allows us to live lives as Gurmukhs. Torturing the body like the sidhs do doesn’t make it stronger by itself, control of the mind does too. The swan has been compared to the mind. Swans can be graceful or vicious. Flying is likened to the wandering of the mind. So if the mind doesn’t wander, the body (the wall) doesn’t collapse

    ਸਹਜ ਗੁਫਾ ਘਰੁ ਜਾਣੈ ਸਾਚਾ Sehaj Gufaa Ghar Jaanai Saachaa ||
    ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚੇ ਭਾਵੈ ਸਾਚਾ ੧੬ Naanak Saachae Bhaavai Saachaa ||16||
    Nanak tells us that those who make their mind calm (live with serenity) they become and love the truth. They become the embodiment of Waheguru. ||16||
     
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    Your efforts are appreciated. Keep on your good work.

    In the above It is seen that you have translated 'sabad' as 'word of sabad'.
    What is its contextual significance and relevance.?
    We should keep the translation of 'sabad' as 'sabad' ; why add 'word of sabad'?
    Kindly throw some light if you can do it off the cuff. Similar translations are found in Sant singh Khalsa translations.....
    Thanks...
     
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    TARANJEET SINGH Ji,
    Your observation is correct regarding "word of Sabad".How far this is correct this needs to be verified.
    In fact there is "GuR Ka SABAD(u) ",we should try to grasp this.This is very very important point of Gurbanee understanding.
    You can observe the word "sabad" is predominantly found as sabad(u) With matra of Aukad under letter D of the word.
    Prakash.s.Bagga
     
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    Findingmyway ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    First and foremost I want to thank you for this endeavour and your name proves how you are leading us to the intricacies of the beautiful poetry which tells the story- A dramatic play being performed on the stage of life.

    Guru Nanak was a student as we all know. He never called himself Guru but he taught the Sidhs and all the rest of us through questioning in order to learn the answers, or for the Sidhs to find the answers through the questions of Guru Nanak.

    In my opinion, Sidh Gosht is a wonderful debate among the status quo thought process of the Sidhs-Hindus vs the pragmatic way of life of Guru Nanak. The former immersed in me-ism feeling high and mighty, not giving a hoot to the wombs who borne them, breast fed them, sheltered them till they ran away, too afraid and insecure of the confrontations of everyday toils; where as the latter rising from the cesspool of the real world unblemished offering a helping hand to the helpless, down trodden, outcast of the society.

    Sidh Gosht offers us the true glimpse of how to cope with what life offers us rather than hanging oneself upside down for hours hoping to touch the skies,one day.

    There is a unique specie in the Amazons that spends its whole life hanging upside down. It is called bicho-preguiça in Portuguese, which literally means - the lazy animal. If one wants to use this to a human, one can say he/she is a sloth (the one with spiritual apathy and inactivity). It is also known as one of the seven deadly sins in the Christian moral tradition.

    Thomas Aquinas (1225–1274), the Medieval theologian said, Sloth is "sluggishness of the mind which neglects to begin good... [it] is evil in its effect, if it so oppresses man as to draw him away entirely from good deeds."

    More than two centuries later, Guru Nanak showed these Sidhs what they really were ala Aquinas. He called them bloody Sloths, running away from the earthquakes of life. Guru Nanak made them realise that the tremours within can not be stilled by any postures, but only by good deeds.

    It is also interesting to notice how good ideas sprout like wild flowers in different times and places but with the same perfume to offer to the ones who want to envelop themselves in their fragrance.

    I commend you for this wonderful and courageous effort.

    Let's continue this inner renewal by finding our way and you leading us towards that. With your effort and help, we will stop being Bichos-preguiças.

    Thanks & regards

    Tejwant Singh
     
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    Apologies for being away from this thread for so long. Here is the next section. My interpretation underneath the Gurmukhi. Green for the sadhus and blue for Guru Nanak Ji.
    ਕਿਸੁ ਕਾਰਣਿ ਗ੍ਰਿਹੁ ਤਜਿ ਓਉਦਾਸੀ Kis Kaaran Grihu Thajiou Oudhaasee ||
    "Why have you left your house and become a wandering traveller when you don’t believe in renouncing the world?

    ਕਿਸੁ ਕਾਰਣਿ ਇਹੁ ਭੇਖੁ ਨਿਵਾਸੀ Kis Kaaran Eihu Bhaekh Nivaasee ||
    Why have you adopted the role of a religious man?

    ਕਿਸੁ ਵਖਰ ਕੇ ਤੁਮ ਵਣਜਾਰੇ Kis Vakhar Kae Thum Vanajaarae ||
    What merchandise do you trade?

    ਕਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਸਾਥੁ ਲੰਘਾਵਹੁ ਪਾਰੇ੧੭ Kio Kar Saathh Langhaavahu Paarae ||17||
    How will you carry others across with you? What path have you shown your Sikhs to cross this world?"||17||

    ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਖੋਜਤ ਭਏ ਉਦਾਸੀGuramukh Khojath Bheae Oudhaasee ||
    I became a wandering Udaasee to search for Gurmukhs.

    ਦਰਸਨ ਕੈ ਤਾਈ ਭੇਖ ਨਿਵਾਸੀ Dharasan Kai Thaaee Bhaekh Nivaasee ||
    My robes are to find the blessings of Gurmukhs and through them the blessings of Waheguru.

    This is an interesting concept that was formalised by Guru Gobind Singh ji in the creation of the Khalsa.

    ਸਾਚ ਵਖਰ ਕੇ ਹਮ ਵਣਜਾਰੇ Saach Vakhar Kae Ham Vanajaarae ||
    I trade in the Truth of the Naam.

    ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੇ੧੮ Naanak Guramukh Outharas Paarae ||18||
    Those who follow the path of the Gurmukh are carried across the world ocean. Guru Nanak Ji is imparting this knowledge to us. ||18||

    ਕਿਤੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਪੁਰਖਾ ਜਨਮੁ ਵਟਾਇਆ Kith Bidhh Purakhaa Janam Vattaaeiaa ||
    "How have you changed the course of your life?

    This is a really important question that we should be asking ourselves all the time. If we are not changing then we are not moving forward.

    ਕਾਹੇ ਕਉ ਤੁਝੁ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਲਾਇਆ Kaahae Ko Thujh Eihu Man Laaeiaa ||
    With what have you linked your mind?

    ਕਿਤੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਆਸਾ ਮਨਸਾ ਖਾਈ Kith Bidhh Aasaa Manasaa Khaaee ||
    How have you subdued your mind’s desires?

    ਕਿਤੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ਪਾਈ Kith Bidhh Joth Niranthar Paaee ||
    How have you found the presence of the One God?

    ਬਿਨੁ ਦੰਤਾ ਕਿਉ ਖਾਈਐ ਸਾਰੁ Bin Dhanthaa Kio Khaaeeai Saar ||
    Without teeth, how can you eat iron? This means that as eating iron is extremely difficult, so is escaping from the clutches of Maya so how is this achieved?

    ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ੧੯ Naanak Saachaa Karahu Beechaar ||19||
    Nanak, give us an answer that will help our mind.""||19||

    ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਜਨਮੇ ਗਵਨੁ ਮਿਟਾਇਆSathigur Kai Janamae Gavan Mittaaeiaa ||
    As you travel on the path of truth, the mind wanders less. Here birth does not relate to physical birth but the transition to a Gurmukh lifestyle.

    ਅਨਹਤਿ ਰਾਤੇ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਲਾਇਆ Anehath Raathae Eihu Man Laaeiaa ||
    As peace came from connecting with Waheguru, the mind became more attached to that alone.

    ਮਨਸਾ ਆਸਾ ਸਬਦਿ ਜਲਾਈ Manasaa Aasaa Sabadh Jalaaee ||
    Through the Word of the Shabad, my worldly desires and minds wanderings have been burnt away.

    ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ਪਾਈ Guramukh Joth Niranthar Paaee ||
    As Gurmukh, as God’s child, I found a deep peace and tranquillity within and the connection with Naam.

    ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਮੇਟੇ ਖਾਈਐ ਸਾਰੁ Thrai Gun Maettae Khaaeeai Saar ||
    With the blessings of Waheguru, the temptation of Maya can be overcome (so we can eat iron without being hurt by its effects).

    ਨਾਨਕ ਤਾਰੇ ਤਾਰਣਹਾਰੁ੨੦ Naanak Thaarae Thaaranehaar ||20||
    Nanak says, that the creator of the world ocean helps us to cross it. ||20||
     
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    Dr Karminder Singh Dhillon Malaysia has begun a Class on Gurbani......readers can listen to his first FOUR Classes on JUP BANNEE and SIDDH GHOSHT Banee here..... www.sikhivicharforum.com and on the same YOU TUBE Channel.



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