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I wouldn't call people Christian who force conversion and exploit. Just like there are many Sikhs who bow to Guru Granth Sahib but do not want to learn. Some have three jobs and no time, I understand that. But who is a Sikhs or Christian. Both preach the kingdom of God. Hukam razaee chalna, Nanak likhya naal. The so called Christian movement in India, many fake christians coming to exploit, but there may have been sincere ones, like Mother Teresa. But there were good Sikh leaders like Bhagat Puran Singh who started Pingelwala to help the poor. He never asked for money.
 

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dear every body on this topic. we do not need to know which messanger came and gave us pious way to live and respect for each others. forget about comparisons. one get its phd in science from england and the other get it from honkong but for that particular study it is the same thing but taught by diffrent proffessor.

these messngergs came and had to go throgh struggles to put their pint of veiw accross . many sacrifices wre given by hatered existing in each group. today with the knowldge of yesterday follow which ever prophet or guru's teaching given to us or son of God please give us please follow it and love and respect each othes.

we do have a big problem in front of us today a poverty and war fought by haterd and greed. we have to be very courageous to be democrativcally choosing our leaders in diffrent government who must have agenda to dismantle the arms and spread selfrespect among the society. we must grow up beyond all this hatred and different approch to each other simply because you belongs to humanity. we must respect each others faith as you want you to be respected. no one's faith is better than others.all you have to worry is practices watch your priest because they make all the diffrences for your thinking and exploited interpretations.


remeber"99% POOR OR MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE WHO RIOTS AND HAVE EGETATIONS,SELF SACRFICES BY BLOWING THEMSELVE FOR THE CAUSE OF FREEDOM AND DIE . BUT WHERE AS THE LEADER SURVIVES AND TAKE CHARGE OF THE GOVERNMENT AFTER INDEPENDENT. DID YOU EVER SEE A MILLIONERS ARE RIOTING. MAY BE IT IS TIME TO THINK,SAVE YOUR CHILDEREN AND LIVE LONG LIVES.



we shoulD not critisize anyone's relegion or faith. human makes a mistake intentioally or otherwise but one must applogise before hurting some one's faith . like what happened in Denmark by pubilsihing Prophet Mohmmad cartoons. so low thinking. then there was riots . the whole thing would have been shut up all the riots with one appologise to the world who got hurt by these cartoon instead of saying that this was a freedom of speech. producing mockerY and hatered against single religion or their Prohet is not a freedom of speech. it is haterd crime which should never be allowed. million of christians,moslims,hindus, and other relegion had been victim of such haterds.

please one must have a common sense that how far we can be that much ignorant by having all the past history in front of you.

change and let other people change themselves by seeing you.
God bless every body.
jaspi
 

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now this is a cause we should all stand up tall for!!! let sikhi lead the way as it says in the rehat. altrustic service.
 
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Namaste

I too am pleased the brother has found his path. I would have been happier if he expressed his joy without commenting on others' paths.
 
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If all the religions be carefully analysed , then the end result found will be .

"products made out of Philosophy and psychology , having common things in general , but with different brand name"

Its similar like having a Tea , if you desire to have tea , then your ultimate desire is to quech your thrist for tea ie the ingredients present in the tea .

So , to have tea , whatever brand of tea you take you ultimately get thirst for tea gets quenched .

So , is with religions.....
 

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"The Paradox Of Life's Journey"

"It is only when we realize that life is taking us nowhere that
it begins to have meaning."

-- P.D. Ospensky

"All major mystical traditions have recognized that there is a
paradox at the heart of the journey of return to Origin. ...Put
simply, this is that we are already what we seek, and that what
we are looking for on the Path with such an intensity of
striving and passion and discipline is already within and around
us at all moments. The journey and all its different ordeals are
all emanations of the One Spirit that is manifesting everything
in all dimensions; every rung of the ladder we climb toward
final awareness is made of the divine stuff of awareness itself;
Divine Consciousness is at once creating and manifesting all
things and acting in and as all things in various states of
self-disguise throughout all the different levels and dimensions
of the universe."

-- Andrew Harvey

"Look at you, you madman, Screaming you are thirsty And are
dying in a desert When all around you there is nothing but
water!"

-- Kabir

"After changes upon changes, we are more or less the same."

--Paul Simon
 

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What my friend has written about finding God appears as if he has found realation with most influential man something like President of USA. The power of any belief is to be judged only by myths than the nation India has 84 lacs Gods and myths, with very powerful and extraordinary claims.

The Guru Nanak at his time has discourse with all religions and school of thoughts in his time except Christianity. He has refuted all prevalent myths in this subcontinent in his Asa Ki War. The path of Realisation of Self advocated by Guru Nanak through living normal life without renouncing the world is the most practical way of life. However all Sikhs have very high regard for Jesus for sacrificing for Truth and Justice as same has been their history in this subcontinent through making of Khalsa. The philosophical level of Self Realisation do not believe in God in human form.


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Why do I believe in Jesus? (An ex-Sikh’s Journey in Faith)

What makes Christianity different from all other religions in the world? Why is Jesus different from the likes of, Mohammed, Buddha, Guru Nanak, Krishna and Rama? Let me begin by emphasizing that I am not going to get into the details and specifics of various religions in the world today, but primarily concentrate on the basis of a faith. In monotheist religions, such as, Islam and Sikhism the basis of faith is one central figure, who had a direct interaction with God and becomes a channel to deliver God’s message; Mohammed for Muslims, Guru Nanak for Sikhs. In other religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism, god(s) comes in all forms, shapes, and sizes.

Now, let’s take a look at various chosen individuals from other religions and see what sets Jesus apart from all of them.

Buddha:
Gautam Buddha (500 BC), the founder of Buddhism, gave up materialistic world at the age of thirty to become a monk. He left his kingdom, young wife and a child to pursue a spiritual journey. During his search, he went from one extreme of fasting and forsaking all form of pleasures to taking food in moderation, and then finally, one day under a tree he received spiritual enlightenment. Later, his wife and son also became monks and at the age of eighty HE DIED of an illness, after eating some unclean food!

Mohammed:
Mohammed, referred to as, the Prophet in Islam, was born in 570 AD. He grew up a charitable person, given to much praying and fasting. As a young man he was hired by a widow, who later married him and bore him six children, of which, all died save for a daughter. At the age of forty, Mohammed, had a visit from an angel (Gabriel) and received a divine message from God to tell others that, “there is no other god but Allah.” Mohammed initially encountered great opposition from people but later found acceptance all over the Arab world. He went on to lead many expeditions and wars in Mecca and Medina region, in order to, remove idolatry and advance Islam. In 632 AD, few days after returning from pilgrim in Mecca, HE DIED of an illness.



Nanak:
Guru Nanak, the founding figure of Sikhism, was born in 1469, a gentle and kind hearted family man with a wife and children. One day, as he dips into a river for a regular bath, has a divine encounter and emerges with knowledge and message of universal brotherhood. While living in India at a time, when Hindus and Muslims are in constant conflict, Nanak begins to teach about the existence of one God alone as the creator of all life, and the brotherhood of all humans i.e., there is no difference in Hindus and Muslims. Nanak, apparently spent rest of his life traveling through out Northern India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Persia proclaiming this message. HE DIED at the age of seventy. However, nine further “Gurus” (spiritual authorities) were anointed to lead this religious movement. The last Guru, Gobind Singh, before DYING, put an end to this transfer of divine ruler-ship by proclaiming their scriptures “Granth Sahib” to be the supreme authority for all believers. It is ironic, that the original message given by Nanak “there is no Hindu nor Muslim but all are equal,” ended up forming a new identity, to be called a Sikh (disciple) or, to be known as Khalsa (pure) if baptized.

Brahma/Vishnu/Shiva:
In Hinduism - Brahma the “creator,” Vishnu the “protector,” and Shiva the “destroyer” - form a trinity. Only Vishnu is capable of taking Avtaar (to be born in human flesh) to rid the earth of evil. However, they are not mutually one, but have separate existence and different functions. Humans can realize the presence of God in “self” through a cycle of re-births, which is dependent on Karma (good works.)



Krishna:
Krishna, one of the Hindu gods, is one of the many reincarnations of god (Vishnu) in human form. As an incarnated god, Krishna, from his childhood to teen years, is a mischievous but cute “child-thief” who leads other kids in breaking into homes to steal butter! As a young man, he is a “heart-throb,” who spends his time frolicking with the young women of the village and is renown for his beauty and, charming women with his flute playing abilities. Ultimately, Krishna kills the evil king of that time and restores the rightful person to his throne. For a Hindu, Krishna leaves numerous traditional stories about his endeavors as a irresistible lover, and a non-partisan chariot driver in a great family feud between Pandavas and Kauravas. Then one day, apparently wounded by a hunter’s arrow, HE DIED.



Ram:
Ram, once again is another incarnated god (Vishnu) who appeared on earth to remove evil and establish good. Whilst on a fourteen-year exile away from his domicile, Ram, destroys an evil empire ruled by a demonic king and his demonic brothers, who had kidnapped Sita, Ram’s wife. However, later on, after completing his exile and returning to his kingdom, Ram, casts out his wife because of rumors regarding her “purity” during the time of her ordeal as a kidnapped victim, even though, she had proven her purity by walking through a fire! Ram, ruled as a great and wise king, creating a “Ram-Rajya” meaning peaceful and a perfect kingdom. Finally one day, HE DIED.



Jesus:
Jesus, as “the” Son of God, is God. The Bible tells us, “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and exact representation of his being.” (Hebrews 1:3) We, humans, are fallen beings born with a sinful nature, and can never ever attain holiness through effort and good works because by nature our tendency is to sin. For God to accept us, our sinfulness had to be addressed, and since we are incapable of forsaking our sinful nature, Jesus, the Son of God, came to redeem us and sacrificed his life on our behalf. “…The punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.” (Isaiah 53:5) God accepted Jesus’ sacrifice because he was sinless. Therefore, once we accept Jesus, as our personal Savior, we inherit his righteousness because he shed his blood for the remission of our sins. The Bible says about Jesus, “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation…For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things…by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.” (Colossians 1:15-19)

I have only provided briefest of introduction to the “originators” of various faiths. I have decided to concentrate on the founders because that gives the clearest indication, as to why Jesus is different! The character and divine attributes that were evident in Jesus, as he manifested himself to his followers during his life on earth are as follows:

1. Existed before the world was created:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. (John 1:1)

Jesus was NOT created after God created the world but, in fact, through him all things were made. He was not created from dust like Adam and Eve. He is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things and in him all things hold together. (Colossians 1:15)

Mohammed or Nanak or Buddha, did not have pre-existence but were born as any other child, according to their parents’ will. Jesus, however, forsaking his spiritual existence, and to do God’s will, took up a body of flesh and blood, to save us from our sinful nature. He was born not because of parents’ will, but was born of the Holy Spirit. The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. (John 1:14)

During his ministry, Jews of Jesus’ time often questioned and asked him, as to who was he? “I tell you the Truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I AM!” Therefore, Jesus substantiated his pre-existence.

2. His coming into the world was foretold:
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. (Isaiah 7:14)

None of the messengers or prophets of other religions had their birth predestined and foretold like Jesus.

Prophet Isaiah, filled with the Holy Spirit, not only prophesied Jesus’ birth hundreds of years ago before it took place, but also proclaimed him to be God. …But in the future He will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea …For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:1)

Prophet Micah, prophesied the exact location of Jesus’ birth, and also confirmed his eternal existence. But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from days of eternity. (Micah 5:2)

3. The Son of God
The aged, righteous and devout Simeon at the Temple, on seeing Jesus as an eight-day old baby, praised God, saying: “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised, you now dismiss your servant in peace. For my eyes have seen your salvation, which you have prepared in the sight of all people, a light for revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel.” (Luke 2:29)

From his early childhood, Jesus knew who he was. When at the age of twelve, during a visit to Jerusalem, he got separated from his parents who later questioned him regarding his behavior - “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my father’s house?” (Luke 2:49)

God, himself, called out from heaven to declare Jesus as His Son. As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened and the Spirit of God descended like a dove and lighted on him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16)

Jesus told his disciples, “All things have been committed to me by my father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” (Luke 10:22)

4. He knew his mission:
Unlike Mohammed, Nanak, and Buddha, Jesus did not receive a “calling” from God out of the blue; he did not (overnight) receive a revelation to be a messenger of God. He did not need to seek out God in order to learn the meaning of life. To the contrary, he declared, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” (John 3:16)

Jesus came to show the compassion and love that God has for us. Prophet Isaiah prophesied regarding Jesus, “I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, to open eyes that are blind, to free captives that are in prison, and to release from the dungeon those who sit in the darkness.” (Isaiah 42:6) During his ministry, Jesus healed the sick, gave sight to blind, freed people from demonic powers and raised the dead.

Jesus did not lay down rules and regulations for prayer. He did not advice to visit some holy site to atone for our sins. Jesus came to relieve us from the burden of sin. He said, “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28)

Jesus summed up his coming into the world in a very simple, yet graceful and divinatory statement -

For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many. (Mark 10:45)

5. Taught with authority:
God said to Moses, “I will raise up for them a prophet like you among from among their brothers; I will put my words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him.” (Deuteronomy 18:18)

Jesus did not need to spend years in solitude to gain wisdom and knowledge. Unlike Mohammed, Nanak, and Buddha, Jesus did not need to seek out God. He did not need a divine revelation or a visit from an angel to reveal the mind of God. In fact, Jesus was raised among the most backward considered Jewish people, the Galileans. Jewish religious leaders of Jesus’ time told Nicodemus (one of the leaders) that “a prophet does not come out of Galilee.” (John 7:52) However, after listening to Jesus in the Temple at the feast of Tabernacles, “the Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?” (John 7:15) Jesus did not need to study the scriptures to understand and comprehend its meaning. Jesus knew the scriptures inside out because the Bible says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)

Moreover, during his ministry, Pharisees and Jewish leaders observed that Jesus not only broke the Sabbath rules but also forgave people their sins, which made Jesus equal to God. (Matthew 9:24) Pharisees accused Jesus of blasphemy, and on numerous occasions tried to stone him to death. (Matthew 12:14) But, they were afraid of large crowds that seem to follow Jesus everywhere he went. To the religious authorities, Jesus said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the prophets, I have not come to abolish but to fulfill them.” (Matthew 5:17) And the Temple guards, who were sent to arrest Jesus, came back and declared, “No one ever spoke the way this man does.” (John 7:46)


Through out the Gospels, we read that ordinary people were amazed, and astonished at Jesus’ teachings.

When Jesus had finished saying all these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law. (Matthew 7:28)

Not only the miracles performed by Jesus captured their attention but his explanation of the scriptures through the use of parables, his examples of tales taken from everyday life, and the authority with which Jesus spoke of God made them follow him everywhere he went. The disciples, on seeing Jesus subside a storm, in fear and amazement they asked one another, “Who is this? He commands even the winds and the water, and they obey him.” (Luke 8:24)

Finally, to fulfill what God (the Father) had said to Moses, Jesus affirmed, “For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that His command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” (John 12:49)

6. Died willingly for a purpose
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) Jesus’ mission was to redeem mankind from its sinful nature. As humans, no matter how much we try, we could never measure up to God’s standard of holiness. Throughout the Old Testament, the Israelites proved this point again and again. Had God chosen some other people instead of the Jews, I do not think the 100% failure rate would have been any different. But, in His Son Jesus, God found a perfect sacrifice to restore fallen humanity back to Him. Jesus came to redeem us by sacrificing his life on our behalf. God made him who had no sin to be a sin offering for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (2 Corinthians 5:21) Although Jesus died, but he died willingly, fully knowing in advance, the day, the time and the manner in which he would die. Whilst, the likes of Mohammed, Nanak, Buddha, Krishna and Rama, all died, with no predetermined knowledge, Jesus however, not only foretold and spoke of the crucifixion but the Prophets (Isaiah 49 - 53) and King David (Psalm 22) graphically spoke of Jesus’ death, hundreds of years ago before it actually took place.

Mohammed, Nanak, Buddha, Krishna and Rama, all died and their death served no purpose for their believers. But the death of Jesus paid the price for my sins. God accepted Jesus’ sacrifice and now wants me to accept him as my personal Savior. Accepting Jesus, as my Savior, is the only way I can be spared of God’s wrath on the judgment day. The Bible says, The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son, will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” (John 3:35)

7. Resurrection
Resurrection of Jesus is probably the single most important difference that sets Jesus apart from all others. Not only did Jesus foretold his death but also proclaimed in advance that he will rise up on the third day after the crucifixion, and rise up, he indeed did. “We are going up to Jerusalem,” he said, ”and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles, who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three days later he will rise.” (Mark 10:33) Muslims have a mosque built where Mohammed is buried, Sikhs have temples built where their Gurus were cremated, and Buddhist and Hindus build statues and worship them and remember their gods by reenacting their “good-over-evil” victories year after year. But Jesus’ tomb was found empty by his disciples. (John 20)

As a Christian, I do not need to go to a tomb to atone for my sins. I do not need to reenact the crucifixion to sanctify myself and make myself acceptable to God. Because Jesus is ALIVE! After the crucifixion, for forty days, Jesus appeared to his disciples, (Luke 24:36) and gave them proof of being alive by eating bread and fish with them. (Luke 24:41) Jesus invited Thomas, one of the disciples to “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” (John 20:27) Jesus opened up his disciples’ eyes to understand the scriptures and explained his death and the Resurrection. (Luke 24:45)

Hindus believe in reincarnation of souls depending on their past lifestyle and the “works” a person has done. But Jesus promised to give me a glorified body that will not see decay or death. Because Jesus rose from dead - I know, and I know, and I know - I will be in his glorified presence one day. I do not need to wash myself in some holy river to purge my sins. I do not need to fear coming back as a man or a beast or a bird or a reptile after death. I have been washed with the blood of Christ that takes away my sins once and for all. “Come now, let us reason together,” says the Lord. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.” (Isaiah 1:18)

8. Promised the Holy Spirit
All other religions base salvation for believers in their “works.” Believers are encouraged to perform good works, which may vary from, doing social work and forsaking the world, to deliberately afflicting bodily pain and, performing rituals and certain acts on a regular basis to attain favor with God. Hindus believe in receiving “Mukti” as a result of doing good works in one’s life. But before God, of the Bible, my good works are as filthy rags. God declares, my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:8)

My personal effort to become good and holy in the sight of God will never succeed because my natural instinct is to sin. It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. (Romans 9:16) God made us and he knows what is inside of each and everyone of us. I can never attain God’s favor and justify myself with good works. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourself, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast. (Ephesians 2:8)

As a Christian, God accepts me because I believe in Jesus and I accept him as my personal Savior. Only after accepting Jesus, the good works begin to flow through us because Jesus promised the Holy Spirit to live in us and guide us in all things. And I will ask the father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever - the Spirit of truth. (John 14:16) The Holy Spirit is our teacher and spiritual guide in this day and age. But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. (John 14:26)

9. Personal relationship
Greater love has no one but this, that he lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13) Jesus, as a friend, sacrificed his life for me. The good news is that death could not keep him down. Now, he desires to have a personal (one-to-one) relationship with me. I do not need to recite designated scriptural verses and repeat set of prayers to make God hear me. I do not need to rub my nose on a statue or crawl on roads, bow down to a book or worship it, posture myself on a ground in certain direction or in a certain way to make God hear my prayers. Once I accept Jesus, as Lord, he becomes my personal friend. I can talk to him about anything, anytime, and anywhere. He longs to show God’s love and mercy to me everyday of my life. He wants to have fellowship with me and wants me to rest, in his presence, from all labor. Jesus sees, hears and feels everything that happens to me because he is ALIVE. Christ Jesus, who died - more than that, who was raised to life - is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. (Romans 8:34)

After we accept Jesus, he abides in us. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. (1 John 4:15) The Holy Spirit connects us to Jesus because God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit reveals to us the unfathomable knowledge of God that cannot be learned or acquired without the presence of God’s Spirit in our lives. In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. (1 Corinthians 2:11)

10. Promised to return
In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. (John 14:2)

Mohammed, Nanak, Buddha, Krishna and Ram, all died and left no, whatsoever, assurance of ever returning. Jesus, however, promised to return to establish the Kingdom of God.

The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give it’s light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. (Mark 13:26)

Forty days, after resurrection, Jesus ascended to heaven but did not leave us in a limbo. As Jesus was ascending to heaven, the angels told the disciples, “Why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:11)

In conclusion, let me say that although, God is beyond my comprehension, yet I can relate to Him because God made Himself known to me through Jesus. When I focus on Jesus, I know what God is like. In flesh, God is beyond my reach, but as Jesus promised, the Holy Spirit teaches and reveals God to us when we sincerely seek Him. Jesus was without sin, and yet he understood my sinful nature. He willingly died for my sins to redeem me and has forgiven all my trespasses against God.

God has shown His mercy and love through His Son Jesus. Rest assured, the day of the Lord is coming when we will all stand before God for judgment, and he will ask what did we do with His Son Jesus, the Christ? Now then, if you have not received Lord Jesus in your life, are you prepared to face the Living God on the judgment day?
 

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Waheguru Jee Kaa Khaalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fateh

Rajs Jee, where have you received the information you posted about the 'prophets' and 'founders' of these separate religions?

bhull chuk maaf
Waheguru Jee Kaa Khaalsa Waheguru Jee Kee Fateh
 

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Re: Why do I believe in Jesus ? An ex-sikh’s journey in faith

(Mind you, they might have died for the freedom of Hinduism, BUT “not” for the sins of the world. It is also possible that they died for Hinduism because, in a way, they regarded themselves as “former”, AHEM… Hindus???)


Rajs Ji, said that in his reply. So one question comes into my small brain that if Sikh Gurus were not died for sins of the world then Are the sins of mr. Rajs's are washed out of being christian? And are all the christians are sinfree? It is sound like Brahmins in 13th 14th century. Who always says and written allover that they are son of god. Mr. Rajs your faith is zero. You are with your faith is like Brahmins of old times. Your topic has none otherthan proving the supermacy. And surely there is no need to have any miracles in sikhi because we have so many live miraculous events in sikhi. Actually anyone can claim that he is dying for the world sins but he never ever can perform sikhi's martyr's stories. Even standup after death is very common in India, Mr.Rajs you are unaware of it? Strange. It is no big deal of standup after death, That doesn't mean a person is equavalant to GOD.
You are mistaken Man. Just review your position in Christianity and please do justice to it. And let us remain to do justice with Sikhi.
Wheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
 
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Ok, really lets stop take a deep breath and ask ourself is this is really going anywhere, to me it seems that Raj concern is to try to convert or confuse things up for true Sikhs and some of you just keep trowing it back at him and os on.
Someone said its all about respecting what each believe no matter our personal views.

After studying and been part of all the religions mention above, this what I have realised.

In all religions there is lots of truth and lots of lies, Sikhism in no exeption and the truth was given and inspired in man by the Supreme One, lies are from selfish wicked man who wants to control and be worshiped as GOD.

So anyways, look at the world look how confuse and so much crime, in some scroptires it was told about all these events in this yuga where man will loose values, morality, spirituality and real love for GOD.

So knowing this, I believe its all coming down to this, the world will be diveded in 2 groups, the truthfull ones that love and sincerely wants GOD and the rest that wants to make life hell for others.

I so much do believe with all my heart that all those who are sincere and truthfull in their worship, no matter what religious believe, all these true believers will come into the path of the True Guru, call it prophecy call it prediction call it bullshit, but time will tell.

And you will see all of the real ones walking up to Sri Guruji and then the real thing will begin, I hope all you that call urself Sikh are ready and are doing what you should to earn Gurujis Grace and have Waheguru look down on you with love and apreciation.

How many of you Sikh/Khalsa practice Gataka?, how many of you can ride a horse? How many of true faith in the True Guru

Waheguruji Ka Khalsa
Waheguruji Ki Fateh
 

eropa234

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Gurbani Says

Vaid Koran Juthay Nahin Juthay Jo Naa Vicharay.

At this we can also say;

Vaid Koran Granth Bible juthay nahin juthay Jo Naa Vicharay.

I am glad that you found god through Christ. That makes you our brothern. I still find Gurbani the most joyous and fulfilling.

Inder Pal Singh
 
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For Christianity Jesus/Savior of the truthfu/holy one, is coming for a second time, for sure if Jesus was to come back, He would surely not be in or part of the Christian Church, you imagine Jesus worshiping himself with his followers. I dont, but I believe if GOD was to send someone, that someone will surely worship under the roof of Sikhism, carriying the flag of Khalsa.
 

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Well, being myself from christian background I can say: Jesus is nothing in comparison with Guru Nanak or Sant Kabir. I don't understand the sikhs praise to Jesus... there is not proof of his existence in Gurus writings, in truth christian doctrines seems the antitesis of sikhism.:{-:)
 
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Gurfateh

In Guru Granth Sahib term Kateeb refere to Four Holy Semtic books ie Taurait,Jabour,Anjeel and Kuran.

Angeel is mentioned in Dasham Granth also.In Sau Sakhi Jesus is termed as Son of Brhamins (Akal worshippers) do did not forsakethier God.

Even further name of Isha(Jesus) is temred to be dreived from Ishwar(Lord God).

Sikhs Worship same God that of Aryans(civilied) and Jews(who are in fact those Aryans who nenver gave up their God).

Again in Var of Bhai Gurdas Chrestians are mnetioned in obective semse.

Last but not the least there are some Christian brethern,who tend to misinterpret Bible to the level of fairy tales instead of understadning the deepr spritual meanings so we see apparant differance.

Rajs is from gnostic Church ,who had many things common with us.

Say God was Called Oan.OM or Onam in Vedic period.We refer the same as Oankar.Jews termed that as yehovee.Then El Yehovi by Chrsitians.Muslims called the same As Al Elah making the name Allah.

Root for all is same.

visit the follwing site

www.gobindsadan.org

where some people are spending thier whole life to praove that all faiths are from God.
 

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vijaydeep Singh said:
where some people are spending thier whole life to praove that all faiths are from God.
Imagine Abraham ( or other prophet/sage etc..) back in the days
In days of hardship or reverence he would go up a mountain
One day he had direct conversation with ‘god’
His conciouss mind can’t comprehend what has just happened
But wants still to talk to his friends family and society about it.
So he tries to explain in their language and with references to their culture
That then crystallizes and becomes their religion

Imagine then Buddha, jesus, mohaamed all having the same experience but explained differently based on different language and cultural experiences
Same source different explations due to differing understandings ie Sant maskeen jee said ‘ muslim’s would problem bathe fully daily as per Sikhs if there weren’t a shortage of water in arab states at the time of conception of religion’

 
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Dear believer in Christ,
I suggest you keep going. The One that lead you to Sikh Dharma, lead you to Christianity. There is no 1st prize here. No one owns the Truth. It is the Truth that owns you, oh soul of the Divine.
Jesus said, "Many are called but few are chosen."
The message of Guru Nanak is not a philosophy. It is a discipline!
May I suggest oh dear one that you read the 5th chapter of Matthew. Here in is the Master's teachings.
The name of Guru Nanak means: no ego. Humilty.
In Jesus words, he says, " I am the Light of the world, no man comes to the Father except by me".
He is correct. But dear one, you must become that same "I Am". By God's Grace you will.
Amen, Amin, Aum, Ong, Sat Nam, Allah, Allelullia, Yahuweh, Wahe Guru are all the same vibration. The same source, the same origin.
Nanak worships the Word. Through that state of consciousness, he teaches us how to experience that humility, that kindness, that love of God. He guides his Sikhs.
Jesus is one teacher, one "Son" and it is easy to trap one self in worshiping him. That is the easy path. It requires no discipline, no commitment to your soul. Just reliance on belief that he was born and died for your sins. That interpretation of his mission is the one which attracts 1.5 billion people. So be it. This is God's Will. It is also His Divine Will that we who follow Guru's teachings speak the Truth, live the Truth and even die for that Truth.
We Sikhs (Disciples of the Guru) bow and worship the Akal Purkh, the Akhand Joti,(the Eternal Light) the Shabd! (The Word)
My dear, when you come to this forum, you feel compelled to teach us with your evangelical spirit. It won't work, You are preaching to those who anscestor's have endured torture, humilation, death and have not cut their hair because they meditate on the Bani of the Guru. Why do you think your limited experience of God can alter that?
We are sons and daughters of a Warrior Saint. We serve the One God. WE hold you in hight esteem, but because our 5th Guru (Guru Arjan Dev) and our 9th Guru (Guru Teg Bahadur) gave their lives for religious "liberty" we continue to remember and bow our heads to the Word (The Shabd Guru) . We are intoxicated on God's Name, Day and Night. "Naam Kumre Nanaka, Cherdi Kare Din Rat"
We will never bow to a man, a woman, a personality but to only to the One Who Created this Creation.
I was born into Christainity. I lived it devotionally for 21 years. At that age, I met Guru Nanak. At 23 I met Guru Gobind Singh. At 24, I became his son. At 25 I was given the obligation to minister, to marry, to council. At 35 I visited the Guru's place of yogic practice, high in the Himalayas. It is where the Guru was ordered by the ONE God to take birth one more time.
"He who calls me God will fall into the pit of Hell".
At 49, I visited the place of my spiritual birth; Anandpur Sahib
Now at 56, I say these words to you"
Be yourself perfect, even as you Father in Heaven is Perfect!. You are the light of the world. Let your light so shine for all men and women to see.
Through Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind Singh, may HIs Name forever increase, may your spirit be exalted and may all prosper by HIs Grace.
Wahe Guru! God bless you oh seeker of Truth.
 

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I am so delighted to find a forum where people speak so freely and sweetly to each other. This is such a controversial topic and so very dear to everyones hearts. I'm impressed with everyone's patience and dignity. I must however confess complete ignorance about the Sikhi religion before I say anything. Please be tolerant, I am learning as fast as I can:) I would only like to reply to the comments that Christians are intolerant. Christianity is a sometimes used as a tool by people to justify completely non-Christian attitudes and beliefs. One truth: that we should love one another. Jesus never said...we should only love Christians. And certainly not people who are as good natured as the Sikhis seem to be:) . In fact he said we should love our enemies just as we do our brothers. Another truth: Jesus died to redeem all men. Not just Jews...not just anyone....all men. The only reason I would ever reply in a way that contradicts any of you is so you can see my perspective. I say these things with great respect in my heart for you.
 
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Sathanuman Singh said:
I suggest you keep going. The One that lead you to Sikh Dharma, lead you to Christianity. There is no 1st prize here. No one owns the Truth. It is the Truth that owns you, oh soul of the Divine.
reminds me of "Tumko tumhara khoob hum ko hamara khoob" :wah:

Thanks dylanfern ji for another perspective.
 
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Dear Siblings of Destiny,

Wahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa
Wahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh!

This forum on the discusion of Yeshua/Issa, Jesus (Joshua) who became the Christ, the annointed, the Divine Son of Yahuweh is inevitable when so many are seeking and browsing the internet.

It is no different when the Guru's were here as humans.
The beauty in this is we Sikhs have Gurbani. We have the Guru's words. They are Universal Truth. WE don't have to quote Bible or Koran or Vedas. We just answer the inquiry with the mouth of the Guru. Gurmukhi. Guru Angad Dev gave us that.
Ong Sang Wahe Guru!
Our Siri Guru Ganth Sahib is the constant Guru that transcends time and space. No scripture has been so close to Naam since probably the Ark of the Covenant. It took a long time for the Jews to evolve out of their slave consciousness and become "priests" and prophets.
Guru Nanak is a Master of the Word. He gave the world the key to the Truth. It took 9 more incarnations of His Light to manifest the Khalsa. Then with humility and wisdom the 10th Master bowed before the same Shabd that shown Its light on Guru Nanak. We only worship the Divine Gurbani, the Divine Word of God.
Now, our Nishan flies high on the Guru's banner. It is mark of Grace.
"Nanak Nadaree Nadar Nihal"
"Oh Nanak, it is His Grace that fills man with Bliss". That last line of Japji is the sum total of Guru Nanaks message.
Cherdi Kala!
 

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It has come to light that Rajs is no other that Chaudhury Rajinder Nijjar. http://www.nijjhar.freeserve.co.uk/sikhism.htm

The guy is a crackpot who I banned from www.sikh-history.com after he described the Khatri's from whom the Guru's were descended from as devil's. He will cause argument and hatred between Sikhs and Christians.....so beware.

He is also a pro-castist.
 
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