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General US Presidential Race

Which Candidate do you Support?

  • Barack Obama and Joe Biden...All the way

    Votes: 15 68.2%
  • John McCain and Sarah Palin...All the way

    Votes: 7 31.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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"Sarbat daa bhalaa" -- May All Beings Be Happy!

And Randip ji -- I watched the entire election night by computer with BBC online -- streaming feed -- it was the best coverage of all the news channels in the US. They had the best electronic, touch screen map!! The best commentators and the best guests! The best web site explaining American electoral politics. :happy: BBC news!!
 

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Well Sinister ji, and Pk70 ji --

I voted for Obama. Today I am satisfied with the result. But a year ago I wondered -- we know so little about Obama. Who are his handlers? The influences? Who sits at the conference table and who has his ear?

Big clue just breaking: Congressman Rahm Emmanuel of Illinois, offered the position of Chief of Staff. Today we are getting our first glimpse into who one of Obama's important advisers may be and who may have been a behind the scenes strategist during the election.

This tells me what the opening moves of this administration will be about: energy at the top of the list, followed by the "green" economy and health care. The administration will be as disciplined as the campaign if this guy accepts the chief of staff position. Coalition building will be an emphasis. Communications will be clear and blunt.
 

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Well Sinister ji, and Pk70 ji --

I voted for Obama. Today I am satisfied with the result. But a year ago I wondered -- we know so little about Obama. Who are his handlers? The influences? Who sits at the conference table and who has his ear?

Big clue just breaking: Congressman Rahm Emmanuel of Illinois, offered the position of Chief of Staff. Today we are getting our first glimpse into who one of Obama's important advisers may be and who may have been a behind the scenes strategist during the election.

This tells me what the opening moves of this administration will be about: energy at the top of the list, followed by the "green" economy and health care. The administration will be as disciplined as the campaign if this guy accepts the chief of staff position. Coalition building will be an emphasis. Communications will be clear and blunt.

aadji and sinister ji

I congratulate those who voted or supported for Obama; I didn’t vote for him. I was more concern about some prop (in CA). Most of them went against my voting save for one. Here are the ones I was more interested.
Prop 2 It is passed as I wished( It will force meat and dairy industry to be passionate towards animals.):)
Prop 5 It failed, it was to expand drug treatment-programmes and to limit courts to incarnate non violent certain drug crime. I feel more attention is needed to deal with other criminals.:D

Prop 8. It passed. It was against same sex marriage. If failed, it could have given some rights to these guys. I feel sorry for them
Regarding Obama, there is a saying, one guy asks the Barber while getting hair cut first time” How long are the hair?’
The barber replied” just wait for a second, you will see with your own eyes.”
Democrats have got all the three branches (executive and legislative) in their hands, I just pray!:crazy:
 
Regarding Obama, there is a saying, one guy asks the Barber while getting hair cut first time” How long are the hair?’
The barber replied” just wait for a second, you will see with your own eyes.”

"Come to the edge, he said. They said: We are afraid. Come to the edge, he said. They came. He pushed them,

And they flew..."

- Guillaume Apollinaire

America is ready for Barack!!! America is ready for an inspiring intellectual to lead them and have rejected the politics of fear!!!..proud day to be an american.

YouTube - Barack Obama - Change The World (Apple Ad)

c h e e r s
 

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"Come to the edge, he said. They said: We are afraid. Come to the edge, he said. They came. He pushed them,

And they flew..."

- Guillaume Apollinaire

America is ready for Barack!!! America is ready for an inspiring intellectual to lead them and have rejected the politics of fear!!!..proud day to be an american.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQFIsfQKBuU&feature=related
c h e e r s
Are you saying who didn’t vote for Obama are un-American? If so, you sound like Republicans who said long time ago that who voted against war were not Americans. This is what I figured out from" proud day to be an american" Or May be I missed it.
You are aware of the fact that the Democrats held majority in Congress for two years, how many bills they passed and came back as “vetoed” or Senate blocked them? These are same people in power now. If this election was only based on “fear” as Bush’s election was ,why McCain was not totally washed away in every state. After so much disaster inflicted on US by Bush, how come McCain still got a lot of votes? Look at the lead, it is not as it should have been due to 8 years of 5 Gang rule.
I never voted against Democrats till now, after seeing their games, I found out, they are all the same save for some foreign policies and control of Govt on the Public. I still believe, Obama will not stand against Democrats to please Americans. So hope of change but no surety. Enjoy your candidates Victory, and I congratulate you; I don’t want to ruin it for sure.:)
 
Are you saying who didn’t vote for Obama are un-American? If so, you sound like Republicans who said long time ago that who voted against war were not Americans. This is what I figured out from" proud day to be an american" Or May be I missed it.

I think you missed it.
This election was about pragmatism/inspiration vs ignorance/stupidity…and pragmatism won...that is why, 'it is a proud day to be an American'….a large group of people came together and slapped Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber in the face!

Republicans once existed as a rational party and use to turn to reason and science…But ever since post-Eisenhower era (Eisenhower… one of the greatest US presidents), the GOP has been hypnotized by a bunch of Bible thumping loons, Hawks and down right clowns, that don’t have a clue how to run a country or balance a national budget (be it Nixon, Reagan, Bush, W Bush).

and I hate it when politicians try to dumb people down…republicans have been towing this “average joe schmoe”, "them vs us" theme for far too long…it had all the idiots hypnotized these past 8 years and to a large part still does…Obama brings some straight dialogue and substance to the issues. He talks like an adult. Cynical republican ploys; like the idea that cutting taxes with two wars looming and a deficit that is ballooning to incredible levels was just some of the dumbest idea’s coming from a primitive/desperate/outdated platform. The GOP did not have any innovative ideas...other than there typical name calling... that is why they lost.

finally! there is leadership in the executive branch that americans do not have to be ashamed of...and that is why it is a proud day to be an american again.


You are aware of the fact that the Democrats held majority in Congress for two years, how many bills they passed and came back as “vetoed” or Senate blocked them? These are same people in power now. If this election was only based on “fear” as Bush’s election was ,why McCain was not totally washed away in every state. After so much disaster inflicted on US by Bush, how come McCain still got a lot of votes? Look at the lead, it is not as it should have been due to 8 years of 5 Gang rule.

good question...republicans are a stubborn bunch...there is not enough independents in this country ... like myslef. People worship political ideology as a religion with tenents...diverging from party lines is nothing short of heresy to some.


This election was anything but close...Obama carried the popular vote by almost 7%age points this is one of the biggest lopsided victories in the history of the United States (for a non-incumbent presidential race).

also,
fear that obama was a "terrorist"/"communist" is enough of a rallying call to move the most primitive of individuals to a polling booth.

If the republicans ran on issues and their record they would have experienced a far greater loss.

Bottom line...It was ethically and morally impossible to vote for McCain/Palin.

If you look at his platform of promises, Obama is not going to try anything overtly left and fancy. He was campaigning as a centrist

Prediction?...Barack Hussein Obama will go down as one of the greatest presidents in US history.

And, As you might have noticed....My predictions rarely disasppoint. ;)

c h e e r s
 

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Prediction?...Barack Hussein Obama will go down as one of the greatest presidents in US history.

And, As you might have noticed....My predictions rarely disasppoint. ;)

c h e e r s

I have given up on politicians, very rarely they stand by their words and it is highly unlikely that they would beak up from the pushers; however, I pray your prediction be true, after all, that is what our country needs. :)
 

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Aman ji and Forum Members, Some of you wanted to see pictures of the day's inaugural celebrations. So I am posting them here for you to enjoy. :)

Michele and Barack Obama are greeted by the rector of St. John's Episcopal Church, where they attended a private service with Joe and Kristy Biden. Later they traveled to the White House for a brief meeting with George W. and Laura Bush.

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The Obamas arrive for service at St. John’s Episcopal Church.

Leaving the White House before the Inauguration.


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President Bush, center right, and first lady Laura Bush, center left, welcome President-elect Barack Obama, far left, and his wife Michelle Obama, right, on the North Portico of the White House in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2009.(AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)


Aerial view of Oath of Office

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Barack Obama, right, joined by his wife Michelle, second from right, and daughters Sasha, second from left, and Malia, takes the oath of office from Chief Justice John Roberts to become the 44th president of the United States at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2009. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

Taking the Oath of Office

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President Barack Obama, left, shakes hands with Chief Justice John Roberts after taking the oath of office at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2009. At right rear is first lady Michelle Obama. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

The Bible of Abraham Lincoln


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President Barack Obama rests his hand on President Lincoln's Inaugural Bible as his wife Michelle Obama holds it as he takes the oath of office at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2009. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

The Inaugural Address

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Getty Images U.S. President Barack Obama gives his inaugural address at the Capitol.





It is a tradition, following the Inauguration itself, that the President, Vice-President and their wives walk from the Capitol Building down Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House. Then their tenure as the first family begins. Here they are waving to the crowds.

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President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama wave to the crowd along Pennsylvania Avenue Tuesday in Washington. (AP Photo)


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President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle walk on Pennsylvania Avenue near the White House in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2009, during his inaugural parade.. (AP Photo/Jae Hong)


Inaugural *****

Ten gala celebrations follow in the evening. The Obamas and the Bidens will attend all of them before the sun rises.



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'Time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit'

Text of Obama's speech for his inauguration as 44th president




Jan. 20: President Barack Obama takes the oath of office and delivers his inaugural address from the steps of the Capitol.
NBC News

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updated 1:17 p.m. ET, Tues., Jan. 20, 2009

WASHINGTON - My fellow citizens,

I stand here today humbled by the task before us, grateful for the trust you have bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne by our ancestors. I thank President Bush for his service to our nation, as well as the generosity and cooperation he has shown throughout this transition.

Forty-four Americans have now taken the presidential oath. The words have been spoken during rising tides of prosperity and the still waters of peace. Yet, every so often the oath is taken amidst gathering clouds and raging storms. At these moments, America has carried on not simply because of the skill or vision of those in high office, but because We the People have remained faithful to the ideals of our forbearers, and true to our founding documents.

So it has been. So it must be with this generation of Americans.

That we are in the midst of crisis is now well understood. Our nation is at war, against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred. Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some, but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age. Homes have been lost; jobs shed; businesses shuttered. Our health care is too costly; our schools fail too many; and each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.

These are the indicators of crisis, subject to data and statistics. Less measurable but no less profound is a sapping of confidence across our land — a nagging fear that America's decline is inevitable, and that the next generation must lower its sights.

Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America — they will be met.

On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.

On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas, that for far too long have strangled our politics.

We remain a young nation, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.

In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. Our journey has never been one of short-cuts or settling for less. It has not been the path for the faint-hearted — for those who prefer leisure over work, or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame. Rather, it has been the risk-takers, the doers, the makers of things — some celebrated but more often men and women obscure in their labor, who have carried us up the long, rugged path towards prosperity and freedom.

For us, they packed up their few worldly possessions and traveled across oceans in search of a new life.

For us, they toiled in sweatshops and settled the West; endured the lash of the whip and plowed the hard earth.

For us, they fought and died, in places like Concord and Gettysburg; Normandy and Khe Sahn.

Time and again these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life. They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions; greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.

This is the journey we continue today. We remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on Earth. Our workers are no less productive than when this crisis began. Our minds are no less inventive, our goods and services no less needed than they were last week or last month or last year. Our capacity remains undiminished. But our time of standing pat, of protecting narrow interests and putting off unpleasant decisions — that time has surely passed. Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America. For everywhere we look, there is work to be done.

The state of the economy calls for action, bold and swift, and we will act — not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth. We will build the roads and bridges, the electric grids and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together. We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's wonders to raise health care's quality and lower its cost. We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories. And we will transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age. All this we can do. All this we will do.

Now, there are some who question the scale of our ambitions — who suggest that our system cannot tolerate too many big plans. Their memories are short. For they have forgotten what this country has already done; what free men and women can achieve when imagination is joined to common purpose, and necessity to courage.

What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them— that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply. The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works — whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account — to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day — because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.

Nor is the question before us whether the market is a force for good or ill. Its power to generate wealth and expand freedom is unmatched, but this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control — and that a nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous. The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart — not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good.

As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. Our Founding Fathers, faced with perils we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man, a charter expanded by the blood of generations. Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake. And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman, and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and we are ready to lead once more.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

We are the keepers of this legacy. Guided by these principles once more, we can meet those new threats that demand even greater effort — even greater cooperation and understanding between nations. We will begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people, and forge a hard-earned peace in Afghanistan. With old friends and former foes, we will work tirelessly to lessen the nuclear threat, and roll back the specter of a warming planet. We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus — and non-believers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in ushering in a new era of peace.

To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect. To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society's ills on the West — know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy. To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.

To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders; nor can we consume the world's resources without regard to effect. For the world has changed, and we must change with it.

As we consider the road that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who, at this very hour, patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains. They have something to tell us, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages. We honor them not only because they are guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service; a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves. And yet, at this moment — a moment that will define a generation — it is precisely this spirit that must inhabit us all. For as much as government can do and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies. It is the kindness to take in a stranger when the levees break, the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours. It is the firefighter's courage to storm a stairway filled with smoke, but also a parent's willingness to nurture a child, that finally decides our fate.

Our challenges may be new. The instruments with which we meet them may be new. But those values upon which our success depends — honesty and hard work, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism — these things are old. These things are true. They have been the quiet force of progress throughout our history. What is demanded then is a return to these truths. What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility — a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have duties to ourselves, our nation, and the world, duties that we do not grudgingly accept but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.

This is the price and the promise of citizenship.

This is the source of our confidence— the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny.

This is the meaning of our liberty and our creed — why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration across this magnificent mall, and why a man whose father less than sixty years ago might not have been served at a local restaurant can now stand before you to take a most sacred oath.

So let us mark this day with remembrance, of who we are and how far we have traveled. In the year of America's birth, in the coldest of months, a small band of patriots huddled by dying campfires on the shores of an icy river. The capital was abandoned. The enemy was advancing. The snow was stained with blood. At a moment when the outcome of our revolution was most in doubt, the father of our nation ordered these words be read to the people: "Let it be told to the future world...that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive ... that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet [it]."

America. In the face of our common dangers, in this winter of our hardship, let us remember these timeless words. With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.

Thank you and God bless America.
 

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The National Review Online suggests that, in saying “We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and nonbelivers,” President Obama may have claim to “the first Hindu shoutout in Ameircan inaugural history[.]“ The New York Times responds, half-jokingly, that the Sikhs were left out of this message of religious diversity — “imagine how America’s Sikhs must feel….” At the Huffington Post, Obama was a bit more seriously criticized for leaving out Sikhs and others from the speech.

Indeed, a Sikh is taking this oversight to heart. According to sikhsangat.com, Jaspal Singh said he was “saddened that [Obama] made no reference to the million Sikhs that live in America, surely he should have mention[ed] th[e] fifth [largest] religion as he made reference to the other religions.”

In my view, this omission should not be perceived negatively — it’s impossible for Obama to mention every religious element in American society and there’s no evidence that his failure to mention Sikhs was the result of any animus or indifference towards Sikhs.

In another oversight, the Washington Times reports that Sikh clergy were not initially invited to the National Prayer Service, which took place the day after the inauguration. But Dr. Rajwant Singh of the Sikh Council on Religion and Education contacted the administration to ensure that Sikhs were represented at the interfaith event.

It seems that Obama’s start with respect to Sikhs may not have been ideal, but it has not diminished my belief that Obama will work diligently to bring all voices to the table at the appropriate times and will significantly improve the government’s position on issues of Sikh interest, including civil rights and bias crimes. That said, I am pleased that Sikhs are at least part of the national conversation about the Obama presidency, as demonstrated by the aforementioned articles in prominent non-Sikh publication
 

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While it is true that if every religion were listed in Obama's speech it would have been a very long speech, still it is unfortunate to hear that Sikhs were not invited to be part of representative clergy. That is an oversight and shows some lack of awareness.

So I hope that Obama learns from the feedback he is getting about this, and mends his ways -- actually it is Obama's staff that particularly needs to be more aware in the future.
 
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