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Sirīrāg mehlā 1.Lėkẖai bolaṇ bolṇā lėkẖai kẖāṇā kẖā­o.Lėkẖai vāt cẖalā­ī­ā lėkẖai suṇ vėkẖā­o.Lėkẖai sāh lavā­ī­ahi paṛė ke pucẖẖaṇ jā­o. ||1||Siree Raag, First Mehl:As it is pre-ordained, people speak their words. As it is pre-ordained, they consume their food.As it is pre-ordained, they walk along the way. As it is pre-ordained, they see and hear.As it is pre-ordained, they draw their breath. Why should I go and ask the scholars about this? ||1||
here is the 1st problem.
you have misunderstood the Guru. Lekhe is refering to being written , as your SWAS is written when you talk walk eat. The question is where is your MANN at this time. The Gurbani most of the time is talking to our Mann. and this Salok is not refering people but it addresses you- "Baba Maya Rachna Doh" and " Jithe Beh Samjaiye" where your accounts of your Swas are examined.
I feel indebted to you for pointing out my weaknesses. I concur with you that “ one who has not done enough Simran and practically followed the methods the Guru tells us they are unable to properly translate it.” And I also agree with you that the quotes I put forward ware not translated correctly. My sincere apologies for that. I accept my error.
Having said that, I totally disagree with your interpretations as well.
Lekhe is refering to being written. RUBBISH
lyKY = Lekhai has been written (Do laam - Past tense)
ilK y = Likhe being written (Ek laam - Present tense)
I am afraid veer ji you Viakaran is Very POOR. (Please do not give up your full time job)
Kwxw Kwau = khannaKhau (Past tense) will eat food. suix vyKwa = Sunn Vekhau (Past tense) will hear. vwt clweIAw = Vaat Challeya (Past tense) the way it has been instigated.
lyKY bolxu bolxw lyKY Kwxw Kwau ]
As it is pre-ordained, he will speak the words (his speech) and as it is pre-ordained, he will consume the food.
You may substitute “I” or “You” in place of “He” if it suits you.
bwbw mwieAw rcnw Dohu ]
O Brother, the splendour of Maya is deceptive.
jIvx mrxw jwie kY eyQY KwjY kwil ] ijQY bih smJweIAY iqQY koie n cilE nwil] rovx vwly jyqVy siB bMnih pMf prwil ]2]
From birth to death you have here pursued you life collecting worldly things. Where (in this world) I sit and explain to you that nothing goes along with you hereafter. Those who weep and wail might just as well all tie a bundle of straw. ||2||
Your must learn to read and understand bani in the right context. It is quite clear from the above what message Guru ji is giving us.
because this was translated by someone who read the Gurbani Guru liike a text book and did not do simran and practically follow the methods the Guru tells us they are unable to properly translate it.
if you were to read this Salok further comes "Ande Nam Visarie Nah Tis eh Na Oh " again they are telling you what to do.
Need I say more, my explanation above speaks for itself.
in another Chapter the Guru Ji says "Lik Nam Likh Salah Lik Lik Ant na Paravar || Baba eh Lehke Lik Jan, Jithe Lekha Mangie Thithe Hoi Sacha Nishan, Jite Mile Vadia Sad Kushia Sad CHOA"
meaning that your should write Nam and speak of the qualities of Godand they are also telling how often to write it "Likh ANt na Paravar" ther should be no end to your writing this with your every breathe,
Baba- you should know that when your time is up where your Lekhe will be weighed and you will be get what you deserve. if you wrote Nam and did Simran and Jap and Path then it clearly states you will be rewarded. this is how the Game goes.
jwil mohu Gis msu kir miq kwgdu kir swru ] Bwau klm kir icqu lyKwrI gur puiC ilKu bIcwru ] ilKu nwmu swlwh ilKu ilKu AMqu n pwrwvwru ]1]
Burn your emotional attachment, and grind it into ink, transform your intelligence into the purest of paper.Make the love of the Lord your pen, mind the scribe and write God's deliberation after consulting the Guru. Pen down the praises of God's Name and write over and over again that “He has no end and limit”.
bwbw eyhu lyKw iliK jwxu ] ijQY lyKw mMgIAY iqQY hoie scw nIswxu ]1] rhwau ]
O Brother, learn how to write this account, where this account is called for, it will serve as a True Mark. ||1||Pause||
You have confused yourself here again. Read everything in the right context and not a tukh from here and there like the ………………..chap you keep advertising and make up an impressive story. I can already see the damaging results in you thoughts. Note how confused you are.
Here Guru ji is telling us how to live our “Hukam” and not to write one.
(Dhanne Dhanne te Mohar Lagge Aunde Hai. Khaan Vele Nahi Lagde)
I can see you are trying to indirectly answer my question on Saas Giraas. Please do not strain yourself. It is beyond you. And a player who has not player this game yet cannot advise the other.
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The journey is a very long one. But if you feel lost (due to the illusion of Maya) on your journey do you not stop and ask someone for confirmation.
second this Salok is refering to why ask someone that doen't know himself a Tregun Scholar that his will have to answer himeself where he spendth his breath.
There are other Tuks where the Guru Says to do Sangat to gain knowlege of this and learn how to Write in accordance to the Guru.
Also the journey in the foreign country can be as long as Waheguru will it to be for some a day other a jug. what you meant probably is your Journey has BEEN a long one. you have traveled through 3 Jug and this is now the 4th and Final. so make it worth it.
The Jamm will comefor you and weigh your accounts. "Ayi Katin Doot Jam Lenna , Kia Te Katia Kia Gavaia Chal Sitab DIwan Bulaya"
Delving into responding the above is futile. You are lost the plot.
" NINDA "
i would like to consider that i try to fully understand the Gurbani and not jump to conclusions. what i say is carefully weighed because my Guru Says "Sagal Bolan Ke Mahi Vichar" think before you speak. you obviously have something against me or are just bored this can be deducted from the tone of your article.
Understanding comes with the Grace of God and is also pre-ordained. Keep practising you have a long way to go. Until such time sit and learn. Let me make this clear, I do not have anything against anyone. If you feel that way then it is your weakness and Yes I was rather getting bored driving your car anology.
Ninda is a very big SIN and the GURU tells us " Ninda Bhalli Kise Ki Nahi."
and " Jis NAr ki Dubida Nah JAi Dharam Rai DIs De Sajai" you understand That Waheguru is within every one and everything is his Doing and Creation then to speak badly of it is counted against you.
and the Guru says what will happen to those "Nanak Fika Bolie, DHan Man Fika Hoi." speaking badly you body and mind is polluted.
"Fika Moork Akia , Bhanna Le Sajai" - The fool takes a punishment for speaking filth.
I agree with the above. But No Ninda is being done on you. I am trying to correct your mistakes and mis-understanding. Actually I am in search of a True Gursikh but everytime I come across a claimant I just find a sheep under a Lions furcoat.No hard feelings. Know the Game first, Do not pretend to know it. One has less chances to deceive the other but most often one deceives himself without realising that he is doing it. First know thyself, know the five thiefs that puts one up to this mischielf and then you will see and understand the true path. I am not saying this, this is the Essence of Gurbani.
i think you should read the gurbani more. and go into Siege and then Vichar it to fully understand.
And yes I will take your advice. I am wasting my time here and can be doing something better for myself for a change.
Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki FAteh.
And I recipricate the same to you.
Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki FAteh.
I am leaving some translations for you. Please ponder over them. If you wish.
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isrIrwgu mhlw 1 ]
Siree Raag, First Mehl:
lyKY bolxu bolxw lyKY Kwxw Kwau ] lyKY vwt clweIAw lyKY suix vyKwau] lyKY swh lvweIAih pVy ik puCx jwau]
As it is pre-ordained, he will speak the words (his speech) and as it is pre-ordained, he will consume the food. As it is pre-ordained, his life journey will proceed and as it is pre-ordained, he will hear and see. As it is pre-ordained, he will breathe. What would he go and ask the scholar? ||1||
bwbw mwieAw rcnw Dohu ] AMDY nwmu ivswirAw nw iqsu eyh n Ehu ] 1] rhwau ]
O Baba, the splendor of Maya is deceptive. The blind (spiritually) man has forgotten God's Name (whilst absorbed in the splendour of Maya); He neither abides in peace in this world nor in the next. Pause.
jIvx mrxw jwie kY eyQY KwjY kwil ] ijQY bih smJweIAY iqQY koie n cilE nwil] rovx vwly jyqVy siB bMnih pMf prwil ]2]
From birth to death you have pursued you life collecting worldly things. Where (in this world) I sit and explain to you that nothing goes along with you hereafter. Those who weep and wail might just as well all tie a bundle of straw. ||2||
sBu ko AwKY bhuqu bhuqu Git n AwKY koie ] kImiq iknY n pweIAw khix n vfw hoie ] swcw swhbu eyku qU hoir jIAw kyqy loA ] 3]
All are asking for more and more, none is asking for less. None has ascertained the worth of his giving. No one becomes great by ones own confession. You are the One True Lord and Master of all the other beings, of so many worlds. ||3||
(By asking for more and more (begging from God) no one has ever been satisfied. How much God gives us no one has ever put a price on it. A beggar can never call himself rich)
nIcw AMdir nIc jwiq nIcI hU Aiq nIcu ] nwnku iqn kY sMig swiQ vifAw isau ikAw rIs ] ijQY nIc smwlIAin iqQY ndir qyrI bKsIs ]4]3]
The lowest among the low caste, rather the lowest of the low. Nanak seeks the company of those. Why should he rival the great? In such a place Where the lowly are cared for, there the Blessings of Your Glance of Grace rains down. ||4||3||
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isrIrwgu mhlu 1 ]
Siree Raag, First Mehl:
jwil mohu Gis msu kir miq kwgdu kir swru ] Bwau klm kir icqu lyKwrI gur puiC ilKu bIcwru ] ilKu nwmu swlwh ilKu ilKu AMqu n pwrwvwru ]1]
Burn your emotional attachment, and grind it into ink, transform your intelligence into the purest of paper.Make the love of the Lord your pen, mind the scribe and write God's deliberation after consulting the Guru. Pen down the praises of God's Name and write over and over again that “He has no end and limit”.
bwbw eyhu lyKw iliK jwxu ] ijQY lyKw mMgIAY iqQY hoie scw nIswxu ]1] rhwau ]
O Brother, learn how to write this account, where this account is called for, it will serve as a True Mark. ||1||Pause||
ijQY imlih vifAweIAw sd KusIAw sd cwau ] iqn muiK itky inklih ijn min scw nwau ] krim imlY qw pweIAY nwhI glI vwau duAwau ]2]
There, where greatness, eternal peace and everlasting joy are bestowed, the faces of those are anointed with the Mark of Grace whose minds are attuned to the True Name. Such honors are bestowed by Grace of God (on one who has earned the Grace) and not by idle words. ||2||
ieik Awvih ieik jwih auiT rKIAih nwv slwr ] ieik aupwey mMgqy ieknw vfy drvwr ] AgY gieAw jwxIAY ivxu nwvY vykwr ]3]
One comes (takes birth), and one departs (dies), even the one who gives himself a high status. Some are born beggars, and some into with high status (Rich family). By going to the world beyond hereafter, one shall realize that without the Naam, it is all useless. ||3||
BY qyrY fru Aglw Kip Kip iCjY dyh ] nwv ijnw sulqwn Kwn hody ifTy Kyh ] nwnk auTI cilAw siB kUVy quty nyh ]4]6]
In fear of your wrath I am terrified and my body is wasting away.Those who are known as Sultans and Khans, I have seen them being reduced to dust in the end.Nanak says, when the mortal rises to depart (from this world), all the false affections are sundered.|4||6||
