well it makes them take the entire focus off their life, their goals, their aspirations, their hopes, and replaces it with five minutes of tripping the light fantastic!How does "NDE" makes a person better or worse?
How does it affect one's life?
I saw this earlier, but being busy with a soldering iron, thought I would look at it later, and indeed, I just have.Only if these frogs could talk
Sat Sri Akal
How does "NDE" makes a person better or worse?
How does it affect one's life?
Forgive me, I had to ask and, am on my way to a 10:30 meeting; perhaps later I might write up my train of thought, until then -"... well the SGGS is,... although I am still at a loss to understand why you cannot seem to understand that applying Islamic thought to Sikh philosophy is like using apples in a recipe instead of oranges, and you keep complaining you cannot find the orange peel on the apple, why? because it is not there. You remind me of the blind man, in the dark room, trying to kick the black dog, that just isn't there."
Have never had a NDE due to an accident or health issue...Harry brother thanks for your reply. Sorry to hear about your heart situation and eat well brother and exercise more. I keep telling the same to myself too.
In terms of the thread topic it is just a curiosity type of topic and not substantially serious. As Sikhs we should always be open to learning whether through our own experiences or efforts or those of others. I am just conjecturing here that at the time of near death brain calls in all the directors and managers of the company (body) to a meeting. The autonomous regions like the heart and lungs also report to the honcho, brain. So what occurs at this juncture perhaps is fascinating as probably the brain tells all the interface managers and operational manager like the vision department, the hearing department, all five of them to shut up. So the question is who takes notes and are these notes termed near death experiences. My conjecture would be that these are if you live to tell and live and remember the crazy goings on in this come to dada/Jessus moment. There is far too much unknown about us and much to know if you want to. So I welcome others thoughts and experiences if any in this regard. I have not had a near death experience yet. If I do and am capable of telling afterwards, I will. If other have and can tell it will be fascinating. It should be unabridged and unfettered and without any fear as to how Harry ji or Tejwant Singh ji or others are going to rip it apart.
So folks share up if you had experiences, had come to know first hand of others and don't be scared.
Sat Sri Akal.
i would link NDE to OBE - OBE's are pretty dam real i would say, whether the event is actually leaving the Body or a shift in Dyaan of individual consciousness to other dimensions...<snip off topic - AK>
Now going back to the thread topic. The issue is not to prove or postulate whether near death experiences exist. We experience every moment in our lives including when we are near death. The thread topic is to dialog or converse if there is any uniqueness, special significance or otherwise a special or ordinary character to NDEs. I conjecture without proof that there may be a special significance to NDEs as observed by some people,not all. Are such people on SPN and are still living to tell? Perhaps not. But the topic stands as such.
Sat Sri Akal.
Please respond to my questions about NDE posted as per your expertise.Now going back to the thread topic. The issue is not to prove or postulate whether near death experiences exist. We experience every moment in our lives including when we are near death. The thread topic is to dialog or converse if there is any uniqueness, special significance or otherwise a special or ordinary character to NDEs. I conjecture without proof that there may be a special significance to NDEs as observed by some people,not all. Are such people on SPN and are still living to tell? Perhaps not. But the topic stands as such.
Harkiran Kaur JiSome more articles
"How could a clear consciousness outside one's body be experienced at the moment that the brain no longer functions during a period of clinical death with flat EEG? . . . Furthermore, blind people have described veridical perception during out-of-body experiences at the time of this experience. NDE pushes at the limits of medical ideas about the range of human consciousness and the mind-brain relation. There is a theory that consciousness can be experienced independently from the normal body-linked waking consciousness. The current concept in medical science, however, states that consciousness is the product of the brain. Could the brain be a kind of receiver for consciousness and memories, functioning like a TV, radio or a mobile telephone? What you receive is not generated by the receiver, but rather electromagnetic informational waves (photons) that are always around you and are made visible or audible to you by the brain and your sense organs. In our prospective study of patients that were clinically dead (flat EEG, showing no electrical activity in the cortex, and loss of brain stem function evidenced by fixed dilated pupils and absence of the gag reflex), the patients report a clear consciousness, in which cognitive functioning, emotion, sense of identity, or memory from early childhood occurred, as well as perceptions from a position out and above their "dead" body."
Victor Zammit: A Lawyer Presents Case For NDEs not being biological:
You are correct. We always have been and always will be. What these experiences do is show us a glimpse of this fact. In an OBE for example knowing without any doubt that my consciousness is the only thing which is permanent and real is a huge spiritual realization! I mean not just believing or theorizing but actual knowing as fact from actual subjective (possibly objective) experience! Looking at your physical body from a perspective outside of it makes you realize just how impermanent and unimportant the ego identity associated with it is. It changes you.... On a seriously deep level!Harkiran Kaur Ji
I'm at odds with reconciling NDE n Sikhism, more so with the fact that you are an "amritdhari" [eternal being], how do you correlate the two?
Ideologically speaking, you are an atma [soul], the never dying, the eternal, and if anything, the spiritual science of the soul is a realisation of the same in this here and now world, the "present" life. It follows therefore, that you always have "been" here, you always "is" here and you always "will" be here, meaning, non-dimensional realm of the soul [atma-parmatma]. If that'd be correct then the net result of all experiences is that they bring about the "realisation" [ultimate truth] of the never dying you.