- May 9, 2006
GyanijiActually the entire premise of this Thread is wrong.
The GURBANI "touchstone" test is used to verify if any writing/historical sakhi/incident/poem etc is as..."per Gurbani.....in essence. This DOESNT make the sakhi/inicdent/historical incident into GURBANI....because the GURBANI is GURU and GURU is GURBANI as Guru Amardass ji already explcitly and implicitly declared in Anand sahib.
I am not so sure the premise of the thread is wrong (says the thread starter). The question is indeed 'is Jaap discussing the same theme as the GURBANI in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? Are there parts of which which are clearly outside of the position of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?'
The question is not 'Is Jaap Gurbani' because we have already established it is not.
Surely we are capable of assessing whether or not a poem is in tune with the spirit of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, or is talking about something which should not be part of a Sikh's mind?
If I were to bring any other poem to the forum, let's say Max Ehrmann's Desiderata (although it does not profess to describe the Creative Force), and ask you 'is this poem in the same spirit as Sikhi, or do you think it talks about concepts and ideas which are outside of the Sikh philosophy', members here might not be so quick to say 'you can't call it Gurbani because it's not in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, end of story'.
Other threads here have talked about us using our intellect to assess the things we encounter in life and make decisions from the Sikh perspective. So, I was hoping we could take the poem of Jaap and see if it says stuff which is nonsense from the perspective of Sikhi, or if it talks sense.
The question has never been whether Jaap is or is not Gurbani, or should or should not have been included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Why can't we look at it as just another poem, for the purpose of this thread?