Amrit Vela - Why We Must Put It Into Practice To Hear The Inner Shabad And For Inner Cleansing

[Tejwant Singh]

Sir

You've called Nanak, "Guru Nanak". Why ?

Here we go again and again! @Original with his legalese!
He flaunts this barrister side of his every time he loses an argument based on Sikhi.
This cop-out is @Original 's second nature

I would urge him to make an attempt in using the SGGS, our only Guru, to learn the answer without asking @japjisahib04 but that would be a futile attempt on my part.

Tejwant Singh

 

[Sikhilove]

Guru Nanak very well knew that mind cannot be silenced thus it is total waste of time to think of 'sunn' state. Different rituals were being performed to silence the manh in a futile manner, thus gurbani guides us let your mind keep on chattering but be it divinely inspired i.e. uthat baithat sovait jagat and achieve eternal stablity.

Of course u can silence the mind.

Meditation is silencing the mind until we can just Feel within our beings.

This is where the real learning begins- away from our own mental chatter, without expectations, He Himself shows us.

 

[Tejwant Singh]

Of course u can silence the mind.

Meditation is silencing the mind until we can just Feel within our beings.

This is where the real learning begins- away from our own mental chatter, without expectations, He Himself shows us.

Sikhilove ji,

Guru Fateh,
I have seen you and others use the word 'Meditation' quite often not only in this thread but also in many others.

Would you be kind enough to give me ONE WORD from the SGGS, our only Guru, that means 'Meditation' in Gurmukhi?

Will eagerly wait for your wisdom so I can learn from it.

Thanks

Tejwant Singh

 

[Sikhilove]

Sikhilove ji,

Guru Fateh,
I have seen you and others use the word 'Meditation' quite often not only in this thread but also in many others.

Would you be kind enough to give me ONE WORD from the SGGS, our only Guru, that means 'Meditation' in Gurmukhi?

Will eagerly wait for your wisdom so I can learn from it.

Thanks

Tejwant Singh

SIMRAN

 

[Ishna]

I thought simran meant remembrance? As in the constant remembrance of God's singular reality and all-pervasiveness.

There is another word that might be better but it's not coming to me right now. I think it starts with "d".

 

[Tejwant Singh]

SIMRAN

Thanks.

Please quote the whole Shabad with your own understanding where the word SIMRAN is used as Meditation.

And, are there any other words in Gurmukhi used in the SGGS for Meditation or is it just SIMRAN?

Thanks

 

[Ishna]

Dhiaan! That's it.

 

[Sikhilove]

I thought simran meant remembrance? As in the constant remembrance of God's singular reality and all-pervasiveness.

There is another word that might be better but it's not coming to me right now. I think it starts with "d".

Meditation is remembrance of Truth. Remembrance of Truth purifies your mind and silences it. You go from the noise and endless infinite chatter of Maya, to the Truth of the silence which is our True origin. From Nothing/ the silence we came and to the Nothingness we go.

 

[Sikhilove]

Thanks.

Please quote the whole Shabad with your own understanding where the word SIMRAN is used as Meditation.

And, are there any other words in Gurmukhi used in the SGGS for Meditation or is it just SIMRAN?

Thanks

Meditating, meditating, meditating in remembrance, I have found peace.
simar simar simar sukh paa-i-aa.
On (page 202 of SGGS Guruji says

 

[Ishna]

Meditation is remembrance of Truth. Remembrance of Truth purifies your mind and silences it. You go from the noise and endless infinite chatter of Maya, to the Truth of the silence which is our True origin. From Nothing/ the silence we came and to the Nothingness we go.

I understand what you're saying, but humbly disagree. A meditation technique attempting to silence the mind is useful for focussing it and helping us to think and use our minds for proper purpose. However, simran, the constant awareness/rememberance of Naam we should attempt to cultivate 24/7. It should become our all-pervasive attitude and belief and modus operandi in every moment of our lives.

Also, I think SPN's encouragement of 'full shabad' in English and Gurmukhi is still used? Hard to tell after my absence. At any rate, thanks for suggesting the shabad that appears on panna 202:

ਗਉੜੀ ਮਃ ੫ ॥
Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 5.
Gauree, Fifth Mehl:

ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
Simar simar simar sukẖ pā▫i▫ā.
Meditating, meditating, meditating in remembrance, I have found peace.

ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲ ਗੁਰ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਸਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
Cẖaran kamal gur riḏai basā▫i▫ā. ||1||
I have enshrined the Lotus Feet of the Guru within my heart. ||1||

ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪੂਰਾ ॥
Gur gobinḏ pārbarahm pūrā.
The Guru, the Lord of the Universe, the Supreme Lord God, is perfect.

ਤਿਸਹਿ ਅਰਾਧਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਨੁ ਧੀਰਾ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Ŧisėh arāḏẖ merā man ḏẖīrā. Rahā▫o.
Worshipping Him, my mind has found a lasting peace. ||Pause||

ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਜਪਉ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਮ ॥
An▫ḏin japa▫o gurū gur nām.
Night and day, I meditate on the Guru, and the Name of the Guru.

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਸਿਧਿ ਭਏ ਸਗਲ ਕਾਂਮ ॥੨॥
Ŧā ṯe siḏẖ bẖa▫e sagal kāʼnm. ||2||
Thus all my works are brought to perfection. ||2||

ਦਰਸਨ ਦੇਖਿ ਸੀਤਲ ਮਨ ਭਏ ॥
Ḏarsan ḏekẖ sīṯal man bẖa▫e.
Beholding the Blessed Vision of His Darshan, my mind has become cool and tranquil,

ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਕੇ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਗਏ ॥੩॥
Janam janam ke kilbikẖ ga▫e. ||3||
and the sinful mistakes of countless incarnations have been washed away. ||3||

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਹਾ ਭੈ ਭਾਈ ॥
Kaho Nānak kahā bẖai bẖā▫ī.
Says Nanak, where is fear now, O Siblings of Destiny?

ਅਪਨੇ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੀ ਆਪਿ ਪੈਜ ਰਖਾਈ ॥੪॥੧੧੨॥
Apne sevak kī āp paij rakẖā▫ī. ||4||112||
The Guru Himself has preserved the honor of His servant. ||4||112||

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[Ishna]

Also, Manmohan Singh ji's translation doesn't use the word 'meditation':

ਗਉੜੀ ਮਃ ੫ ॥
Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 5.
Gauri 5th Guru.

ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
Simar simar simar sukẖ pā▫i▫ā.
By remembering, remembering, remembering God, I have procured peace.

ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲ ਗੁਰ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਸਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
Cẖaran kamal gur riḏai basā▫i▫ā. ||1||
The Guru's lotus feet, I have enshrined within my mind.

ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪੂਰਾ ॥
Gur gobinḏ pārbarahm pūrā.
The Guru-God Supreme Lord Incarnate is perfect.

ਤਿਸਹਿ ਅਰਾਧਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਨੁ ਧੀਰਾ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Ŧisėh arāḏẖ merā man ḏẖīrā. Rahā▫o.
Meditating on Him my soul is rendered steadfast. Pause.

ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਜਪਉ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਮ ॥
An▫ḏin japa▫o gurū gur nām.
Night and day I meditate on the Name if the Great Guru.

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਸਿਧਿ ਭਏ ਸਗਲ ਕਾਂਮ ॥੨॥
Ŧā ṯe siḏẖ bẖa▫e sagal kāʼnm. ||2||
Thereby all my affairs have been accomplished.

ਦਰਸਨ ਦੇਖਿ ਸੀਤਲ ਮਨ ਭਏ ॥
Ḏarsan ḏekẖ sīṯal man bẖa▫e.
Seeing Guru's sight my mind is pacified,

ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਕੇ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਗਏ ॥੩॥
Janam janam ke kilbikẖ ga▫e. ||3||
and my sins of, many births are washed off.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਹਾ ਭੈ ਭਾਈ ॥
Kaho Nānak kahā bẖai bẖā▫ī.
Says Nanak, where is the fear for me, now, O brother?

ਅਪਨੇ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੀ ਆਪਿ ਪੈਜ ਰਖਾਈ ॥੪॥੧੧੨॥
Apne sevak kī āp paij rakẖā▫ī. ||4||112||
Of his attendant, the Guru, Himself has preserved the honour.
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[Tejwant Singh]

Meditating, meditating, meditating in remembrance, I have found peace.
simar simar simar sukh paa-i-aa.
On (page 202 of SGGS Guruji says

Sikhilove ji,

Guru Fateh.

Thanks. Now I am more confused than before. I thought you would enlighten me with your understanding of the whole Shabad for my own learning, instead, you posted just one-liner of it with the page number.

One-liners are often used by some to use Gurbani as a weapon to prove one's point of the argument rather than a tool to further the interaction.

Anyway, let's carry on. Let's amplify our understanding of this beautiful Gurbani. Please share your Gurmat wisdom.

The one line of the Shabad you posted is in Dudki- 2 line verse form

ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਜਪਉ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਮ ॥
An▫ḏin japa▫o gurū gur nām.
Night and day, I meditate on the Guru, and the Name of the Guru.

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਸਿਧਿ ਭਏ ਸਗਲ ਕਾਂਮ ॥੨॥
Ŧā ṯe siḏẖ bẖa▫e sagal kāʼnm. ||2||
Thus all my works are brought to perfection. ||2||

In the Shabad from where you posted the one-liner, the second verse above says ਜਪਉ is "meditate."


The preceding Shabad is in Tutki - 3 line verse form.

ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ ਬੇਦ ਬਖਾਨੇ ॥
Simriṯ sāsaṯ beḏ bakẖāne.
The merits of reciting the Simritees, the Shaastras and the Vedas,

ਜੋਗ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਿਧ ਸੁਖ ਜਾਨੇ ॥
Jog gi▫ān siḏẖ sukẖ jāne.
knowledge of the science of Yoga, spiritual wisdom and the pleasure of miraculous spiritual powers -

ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਿਉ ਮਨ ਮਾਨੇ ॥੩॥
Nām japaṯ parabẖ si▫o man māne. ||3||
these come by surrendering the mind and meditating on the Name of God. ||3||


In the above, ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ is the same root word SIMRAN is translated as The merits of reciting

But the same Tutki- 3 line verse above, ਜਪਤ -japaṯ is used as Meditating.

So, let me ask you again what is Meditation as per SGGS?

Why are many words in the SGGS, our only Guru translated into one single word Meditation in Engish?

Thanks



ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 5.
Gauree, Fifth Mehl:

ਕੋਟਿ ਮਜਨ ਕੀਨੋ ਇਸਨਾਨ ॥
Kot majan kīno isnān.
The merits of taking millions of ceremonial cleansing baths,

ਲਾਖ ਅਰਬ ਖਰਬ ਦੀਨੋ ਦਾਨੁ ॥
Lākẖ arab kẖarab ḏīno ḏān.
the giving of hundreds of thousands, billions and trillions in charity -

ਜਾ ਮਨਿ ਵਸਿਓ ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ॥੧॥
Jā man vasi▫o har ko nām. ||1||
these are obtained by those whose minds are filled with the Name of the Lord. ||1||

ਸਗਲ ਪਵਿਤ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਇ ਗੁਪਾਲ ॥
Sagal paviṯ gun gā▫e gupāl.
Those who sing the Glories of the Lord of the World are totally pure.

ਪਾਪ ਮਿਟਹਿ ਸਾਧੂ ਸਰਨਿ ਦਇਆਲ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Pāp mitėh sāḏẖū saran ḏa▫i▫āl. Rahā▫o.
Their sins are erased, in the Sanctuary of the Kind and Holy Saints. ||Pause||

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਉਰਧ ਤਪ ਸਾਧਨ ਸਾਧੇ ॥
Bahuṯ uraḏẖ ṯap sāḏẖan sāḏẖe.
The merits of performing all sorts of austere acts of penance and self-discipline,

ਅਨਿਕ ਲਾਭ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਲਾਧੇ ॥
Anik lābẖ manorath lāḏẖe.
earning huge profits and seeing one's desires fulfilled -

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਰਸਨ ਆਰਾਧੇ ॥੨॥
Har har nām rasan ārāḏẖe. ||2||
these are obtained by chanting the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, with the tongue. ||2||

ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ ਬੇਦ ਬਖਾਨੇ ॥
Simriṯ sāsaṯ beḏ bakẖāne.
The merits of reciting the Simritees, the Shaastras and the Vedas,

ਜੋਗ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਿਧ ਸੁਖ ਜਾਨੇ ॥
Jog gi▫ān siḏẖ sukẖ jāne.
knowledge of the science of Yoga, spiritual wisdom and the pleasure of miraculous spiritual powers -

ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਿਉ ਮਨ ਮਾਨੇ ॥੩॥
Nām japaṯ parabẖ si▫o man māne. ||3||
these come by surrendering the mind and meditating on the Name of God. ||3||

ਅਗਾਧਿ ਬੋਧਿ ਹਰਿ ਅਗਮ ਅਪਾਰੇ ॥
Agāḏẖ boḏẖ har agam apāre.
The wisdom of the Inaccessible and Infinite Lord is incomprehensible.

ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਿਦੇ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥
Nām japaṯ nām riḏe bīcẖāre.
Meditating on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and contemplating the Naam within our hearts,

ਨਾਨਕ ਕਉ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਧਾਰੇ ॥੪॥੧੧੧॥
Nānak ka▫o parabẖ kirpā ḏẖāre. ||4||111||
O Nanak, God has showered His Mercy upon us. ||4||111||




ਗਉੜੀ ਮਃ ੫ ॥
Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 5.
Gauree, Fifth Mehl:

ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
Simar simar simar sukẖ pā▫i▫ā.
Meditating, meditating, meditating in remembrance, I have found peace.

ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲ ਗੁਰ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਸਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
Cẖaran kamal gur riḏai basā▫i▫ā. ||1||
I have enshrined the Lotus Feet of the Guru within my heart. ||1||

ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪੂਰਾ ॥
Gur gobinḏ pārbarahm pūrā.
The Guru, the Lord of the Universe, the Supreme Lord God, is perfect.

ਤਿਸਹਿ ਅਰਾਧਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਨੁ ਧੀਰਾ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Ŧisėh arāḏẖ merā man ḏẖīrā. Rahā▫o.
Worshipping Him, my mind has found a lasting peace. ||Pause||

ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਜਪਉ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਮ ॥
An▫ḏin japa▫o gurū gur nām.
Night and day, I meditate on the Guru, and the Name of the Guru.

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਸਿਧਿ ਭਏ ਸਗਲ ਕਾਂਮ ॥੨॥
Ŧā ṯe siḏẖ bẖa▫e sagal kāʼnm. ||2||
Thus all my works are brought to perfection. ||2||

ਦਰਸਨ ਦੇਖਿ ਸੀਤਲ ਮਨ ਭਏ ॥
Ḏarsan ḏekẖ sīṯal man bẖa▫e.
Beholding the Blessed Vision of His Darshan, my mind has become cool and tranquil,

ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਕੇ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਗਏ ॥੩॥
Janam janam ke kilbikẖ ga▫e. ||3||
and the sinful mistakes of countless incarnations have been washed away. ||3||

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਹਾ ਭੈ ਭਾਈ ॥
Kaho Nānak kahā bẖai bẖā▫ī.
Says Nanak, where is fear now, O Siblings of Destiny?

ਅਪਨੇ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੀ ਆਪਿ ਪੈਜ ਰਖਾਈ ॥੪॥੧੧੨॥
Apne sevak kī āp paij rakẖā▫ī. ||4||112||
The Guru Himself has preserved the honor of His servant. ||4||112||

 

[japjisahib04]

Of course u can silence the mind. Meditation is silencing the mind until we can just Feel within our beings.This is where the real learning begins- away from our own mental chatter, without expectations, He Himself shows us.

I wonder what do you mean that manh can be silenced when gurbani says, 'chupai chup n hovie jai lai rahan live tar - even if meditate continuously, I cannot get rid of vices. Gurbani is not referring to fake or unnatural silencing of manh but eternal stability - see the sabd down:
' ਤੈ ਨਰ ਕਿਆ ਪੁਰਾਨੁ ਸੁਨਿ ਕੀਨਾ ॥ ਅਨਪਾਵਨੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਉਪਜੀ ਭੂਖੈ ਦਾਨੁ ਨ ਦੀਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਕਾਮੁ ਨ ਬਿਸਰਿਓ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਨ ਬਿਸਰਿਓ ਲੋਭੁ ਨ ਛੂਟਿਓ ਦੇਵਾ ॥ ਪਰ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਨਹੀ ਛੂਟੀ ਨਿਫਲ ਭਈ ਸਭ ਸੇਵਾ ॥੧॥ sggs 1253.5

 

[Sikhilove]

Also, Manmohan Singh ji's translation doesn't use the word 'meditation':

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Later down in the passage u posted it says meditate,connecting with the first few lines, remembering and meditating here mean the same thing.

Of course it should be practiced 24/7. The benefits of Amrit Vela should be experienced rather than arguing over it.

U can bicker over language which Is limited, or you can just Do it.

 

[Sikhilove]

Sikhilove ji,

Guru Fateh.

Thanks. Now I am more confused than before. I thought you would enlighten me with your understanding of the whole Shabad for my own learning, instead, you posted just one-liner of it with the page number.

One-liners are often used by some to use Gurbani as a weapon to prove one's point of the argument rather than a tool to further the interaction.

Anyway, let's carry on. Let's amplify our understanding of this beautiful Gurbani. Please share your Gurmat wisdom.

The one line of the Shabad you posted is in Dudki- 2 line verse form

ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਜਪਉ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਮ ॥
An▫ḏin japa▫o gurū gur nām.
Night and day, I meditate on the Guru, and the Name of the Guru.

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਸਿਧਿ ਭਏ ਸਗਲ ਕਾਂਮ ॥੨॥
Ŧā ṯe siḏẖ bẖa▫e sagal kāʼnm. ||2||
Thus all my works are brought to perfection. ||2||

In the Shabad from where you posted the one-liner, the second verse above says ਜਪਉ is "meditate."


The preceding Shabad is in Tutki - 3 line verse form.

ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ ਬੇਦ ਬਖਾਨੇ ॥
Simriṯ sāsaṯ beḏ bakẖāne.
The merits of reciting the Simritees, the Shaastras and the Vedas,

ਜੋਗ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਿਧ ਸੁਖ ਜਾਨੇ ॥
Jog gi▫ān siḏẖ sukẖ jāne.
knowledge of the science of Yoga, spiritual wisdom and the pleasure of miraculous spiritual powers -

ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਿਉ ਮਨ ਮਾਨੇ ॥੩॥
Nām japaṯ parabẖ si▫o man māne. ||3||
these come by surrendering the mind and meditating on the Name of God. ||3||


In the above, ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ is the same root word SIMRAN is translated as The merits of reciting

But the same Tutki- 3 line verse above, ਜਪਤ -japaṯ is used as Meditating.

So, let me ask you again what is Meditation as per SGGS?

Why are many words in the SGGS, our only Guru translated into one single word Meditation in Engish?

Thanks



ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 5.
Gauree, Fifth Mehl:

ਕੋਟਿ ਮਜਨ ਕੀਨੋ ਇਸਨਾਨ ॥
Kot majan kīno isnān.
The merits of taking millions of ceremonial cleansing baths,

ਲਾਖ ਅਰਬ ਖਰਬ ਦੀਨੋ ਦਾਨੁ ॥
Lākẖ arab kẖarab ḏīno ḏān.
the giving of hundreds of thousands, billions and trillions in charity -

ਜਾ ਮਨਿ ਵਸਿਓ ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ॥੧॥
Jā man vasi▫o har ko nām. ||1||
these are obtained by those whose minds are filled with the Name of the Lord. ||1||

ਸਗਲ ਪਵਿਤ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਇ ਗੁਪਾਲ ॥
Sagal paviṯ gun gā▫e gupāl.
Those who sing the Glories of the Lord of the World are totally pure.

ਪਾਪ ਮਿਟਹਿ ਸਾਧੂ ਸਰਨਿ ਦਇਆਲ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Pāp mitėh sāḏẖū saran ḏa▫i▫āl. Rahā▫o.
Their sins are erased, in the Sanctuary of the Kind and Holy Saints. ||Pause||

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਉਰਧ ਤਪ ਸਾਧਨ ਸਾਧੇ ॥
Bahuṯ uraḏẖ ṯap sāḏẖan sāḏẖe.
The merits of performing all sorts of austere acts of penance and self-discipline,

ਅਨਿਕ ਲਾਭ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਲਾਧੇ ॥
Anik lābẖ manorath lāḏẖe.
earning huge profits and seeing one's desires fulfilled -

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਰਸਨ ਆਰਾਧੇ ॥੨॥
Har har nām rasan ārāḏẖe. ||2||
these are obtained by chanting the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, with the tongue. ||2||

ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ ਬੇਦ ਬਖਾਨੇ ॥
Simriṯ sāsaṯ beḏ bakẖāne.
The merits of reciting the Simritees, the Shaastras and the Vedas,

ਜੋਗ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਿਧ ਸੁਖ ਜਾਨੇ ॥
Jog gi▫ān siḏẖ sukẖ jāne.
knowledge of the science of Yoga, spiritual wisdom and the pleasure of miraculous spiritual powers -

ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਿਉ ਮਨ ਮਾਨੇ ॥੩॥
Nām japaṯ parabẖ si▫o man māne. ||3||
these come by surrendering the mind and meditating on the Name of God. ||3||

ਅਗਾਧਿ ਬੋਧਿ ਹਰਿ ਅਗਮ ਅਪਾਰੇ ॥
Agāḏẖ boḏẖ har agam apāre.
The wisdom of the Inaccessible and Infinite Lord is incomprehensible.

ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਿਦੇ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥
Nām japaṯ nām riḏe bīcẖāre.
Meditating on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and contemplating the Naam within our hearts,

ਨਾਨਕ ਕਉ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਧਾਰੇ ॥੪॥੧੧੧॥
Nānak ka▫o parabẖ kirpā ḏẖāre. ||4||111||
O Nanak, God has showered His Mercy upon us. ||4||111||




ਗਉੜੀ ਮਃ ੫ ॥
Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 5.
Gauree, Fifth Mehl:

ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
Simar simar simar sukẖ pā▫i▫ā.
Meditating, meditating, meditating in remembrance, I have found peace.

ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲ ਗੁਰ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਸਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
Cẖaran kamal gur riḏai basā▫i▫ā. ||1||
I have enshrined the Lotus Feet of the Guru within my heart. ||1||

ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪੂਰਾ ॥
Gur gobinḏ pārbarahm pūrā.
The Guru, the Lord of the Universe, the Supreme Lord God, is perfect.

ਤਿਸਹਿ ਅਰਾਧਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਨੁ ਧੀਰਾ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Ŧisėh arāḏẖ merā man ḏẖīrā. Rahā▫o.
Worshipping Him, my mind has found a lasting peace. ||Pause||

ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਜਪਉ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਮ ॥
An▫ḏin japa▫o gurū gur nām.
Night and day, I meditate on the Guru, and the Name of the Guru.

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਸਿਧਿ ਭਏ ਸਗਲ ਕਾਂਮ ॥੨॥
Ŧā ṯe siḏẖ bẖa▫e sagal kāʼnm. ||2||
Thus all my works are brought to perfection. ||2||

ਦਰਸਨ ਦੇਖਿ ਸੀਤਲ ਮਨ ਭਏ ॥
Ḏarsan ḏekẖ sīṯal man bẖa▫e.
Beholding the Blessed Vision of His Darshan, my mind has become cool and tranquil,

ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਕੇ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਗਏ ॥੩॥
Janam janam ke kilbikẖ ga▫e. ||3||
and the sinful mistakes of countless incarnations have been washed away. ||3||

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਹਾ ਭੈ ਭਾਈ ॥
Kaho Nānak kahā bẖai bẖā▫ī.
Says Nanak, where is fear now, O Siblings of Destiny?

ਅਪਨੇ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੀ ਆਪਿ ਪੈਜ ਰਖਾਈ ॥੪॥੧੧੨॥
Apne sevak kī āp paij rakẖā▫ī. ||4||112||
The Guru Himself has preserved the honor of His servant. ||4||112||

Lol i dont understand why youre asking what you're asking. There are many words used to describe alot of things.

E.g., Eating: satisfying hunger, ingesting food, Walking: going for a stroll, Running: sprinting, Laughing: chuckling, Sleeping: resting, taking a nap, the list goes on.

Who cares about limited language, we all know what people are trying to say.

 

[Sikhilove]

I wonder what do you mean that manh can be silenced when gurbani says, 'chupai chup n hovie jai lai rahan live tar - even if meditate continuously, I cannot get rid of vices. Gurbani is not referring to fake or unnatural silencing of manh but eternal stability - see the sabd down:
' ਤੈ ਨਰ ਕਿਆ ਪੁਰਾਨੁ ਸੁਨਿ ਕੀਨਾ ॥ ਅਨਪਾਵਨੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਉਪਜੀ ਭੂਖੈ ਦਾਨੁ ਨ ਦੀਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਕਾਮੁ ਨ ਬਿਸਰਿਓ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਨ ਬਿਸਰਿਓ ਲੋਭੁ ਨ ਛੂਟਿਓ ਦੇਵਾ ॥ ਪਰ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਨਹੀ ਛੂਟੀ ਨਿਫਲ ਭਈ ਸਭ ਸੇਵਾ ॥੧॥ sggs 1253.5

Yeah, you need to do bandgi also, and remember Truth principles. Hence we meditate on and contemplate the Truth taught to us in Gurbani.

 

[Tejwant Singh]

Lol i dont understand why youre asking what you're asking. There are many words used to describe alot of things.

E.g., Eating: satisfying hunger, ingesting food, Walking: going for a stroll, Running: sprinting, Laughing: chuckling, Sleeping: resting, taking a nap, the list goes on.

Who cares about limited language, we all know what people are trying to say.

E.g., Eating: satisfying hunger, ingesting food, Walking: going for a stroll, Running: sprinting, Laughing: chuckling, Sleeping: resting, taking a nap, the list goes on.

Do all the above stand for the word meditation?

 

[Sikhilove]

Do all the above stand for the word meditation?

What do you think. This is a waste of time.

 

[Tejwant Singh]

What do you think. This is a waste of time.

Why would you give up so easily? Is it because you are not able to define the equivalent Gurmukhi words in the SGGS that you use in English, meditate in this case as an example?

There are many words used to describe alot of things.

I agree. Our visionary Gurus were wordsmiths.
Here is just one minute example of their wordsmithery-
ਸੰਖ-100's of thousands
ਅਸੰਖ-Infinite

It would be foolish on our part to disregard their talent. This shows more about our own parochial mindedness which is a pole apart from the very definition of a Sikh I am afraid.

 

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Sikhilove Ji

"...truth will set you free" [conspiracy theory, Patrick Stewart].

Not everyone can understand Nanak's truth [satnam], including me. I'm still a baby Sikh.

If Satnam was that simple and readily available to the entire human population then the term "fool" [ਮੂਰਖੁ, SGGSJ, 953] wouldn't have been appropriated by Gur Ghar, would it ? But because all humans are not equal in their spiritual and intellectual make, the use of the term fool was necessary to capture this deficiency. The third master qualifies the same metaphorically on page 644, SGGSJ: "ਘਰ ਹੀ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਭਰਪੂਰੁ ਹੈ ਮਨਮੁਖਾ ਸਾਦੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ ਜਿਉ ਕਸਤੂਰੀ ਮਿਰਗੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਭ੍ਰਮਦਾ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਇਆ ॥ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਤਜਿ ਬਿਖੁ ਸੰਗ੍ਰਹੈ ਕਰਤੈ ਆਪਿ ਖੁਆਇਆ" [colour: translation - God made them that way, that is to say, god made them fools].

Sikhilove Ji, much has already been said [post #33] and a lot more will be said, but first, a response from my learned friend, Japjisahib Ji re post #40 is awaited !

Speak soon !

TC