A Sikh Without His Flowing Hair And Turban

[Kanwaljit.Singh]

Turban is different from Janeu?

Turban is not for high castes but all humans!
Turban is not a privilege but a promise to Guru!

 

[Tejwant Singh]

You can go on till you start making any sense. Read everything again and tell me how in present context, Turban is different from Janeu?

drpranavsingh ji,

Guru Fateh,

Before we delve further into this interesting conversation, allow me to ask you the question.

Do you wear this 'Janeu' yourself or not?

If yes, why and if no, why not?

Tejwant Singh

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

Guru Nanak ji..just didnt enter a "jnaeu shop" and leave without it ( as "modern" sikhs do in barber shops)..GURU NANAK JI SAHIB has given many proper and valid reasons WHY the Janeau is not required. These reasons DONT apply even remotely to the 5 K/s.
None of the GURUS wore a janeau..BUT they ALL wore Kesh and dastaars.
GURU NANAK -GURU GOBIND SINGH -GURU GRANTH SAHIB Ji is ONE JYOT, ONE CENTRAL PHILOSOPHY ONE THEME
So many solid reasons and people just compare a simple janeau to ALL THAT ?? its like comparing a "string" to the ANCHOR CHAIN or Massive Rope used to tie ships to docks....is not a child walking.. he is a marathon SIKH...same way the 5Ks are not a child learning to take his first steps...:japosatnamwaheguru:

 

[aristotle]

drpranavsingh Very good thought indeed. I want to say except those blinded by faith, and those compelled by their profession, almost all turbaned Sikhs have an inner secret desire to cut hair and save time from hours of grooming every day. Most of them are in denial and write long posts on these forums trying to hide insecurities.

Brother,
I would rather think it is you who is insecure because you are doing exactly the same thing, writing a long post without a single fact and beating around the bush. Isn't that so...?

 

[Brother Onam]

Dear Friend

Are you looking for some script within Sri Guru Granth Sahib?

well if Yes then i would say there is hardly any chance as GUrbani there hardly deals with Physical issues regarding eating , drinking , what to wear what not But more regarding the How to relate to physical world .

But If your answer is no then there are other documents like Hukamnamas wher guruji called sikhs to Anadpur sahib and asked them to come there with Shastars and unshorn hairs


Well one more thing I would like to make clearfor my sake here

Do you think that all our Beloved Guru Sahibans Didint keep unshorn hairs. I mean that do you believe that there could be possibility that they cut there hair

Well if not then why are you looking for text . Do everthing that is to be done has to be penned down in text otherwise it is useless .If all our gurus lived there life in way than that is good enough reason ( atleast for me )


Thanks

Jatinder Singh

I agree. The Guru Granth Sahib also has very little to say about sexting and internet porn. But we know the 10 Nanaks were among the most admirable men in human history; we ought to want to obey and emulate them fully, even without the Guru specifically mandating unshorn hair.

 

[kanwaljs]

Quote:
drpranavsingh Very good thought indeed. I want to say except those blinded by faith, and those compelled by their profession, almost all turbaned Sikhs have an inner secret desire to cut hair and save time from hours of grooming every day. Most of them are in denial and write long posts on these forums trying to hide insecurities.

I feel very painful to read the above quote.
NOT A SINGLE GURMUKH TURBANED PERSON HAVE AN INNER SECRET DESIRE TO CUT HAIR AND SAVE TIME FROM HOURS OF GROOING EVERYDAY. BUT MANMUKH PERSONS HAVING THOUGHTS LIKE THE ABOVE QUOTE.
GURBANI SAYS 'Sakat har ras saad na janiya, tin antar haumey kanda hai,
Jyon Jyon chale chubhey dukh pavey jam kaal sahe sir danda hai.'

If a sikh feels it is a Crown (pagri) then it is not a burden. If anybody feels that in a particular sewa (service) he will get may benefits then he will not feel any burden for that sewa. God has created nature and many natural things are beneficial to human beings. Today science has also agreed to this fact and stressing to upkeep the natural things as much as we can. When we becomes adult, one has to make the arrangements for our hairs, then we should do the best as our Gurus guided us for the benefit of entire mankind, and to please our Guru and to make happy ourselves.
If we travel by air, in flight in_flammables are not allowed. We happily accept that fact, then why we can not accept our Guru's advise.

Sikh religion is not based on any blind faith. Guru Nanak ji's bani says many things about the upkeep of Kesh.


Our great Guru directly connects us to the God Almighty and God is in His nature, as even 1^st GURU NANAK’s baani says

‘balihari kudrat vasiya, tera ant na jayi lakhiya’ -Guru Nanak, Ang 463 SGGS


Japji Sahib’s 1^st pauri says ‘Hukam rajai chalana Nanak likhiya naal’ ,as we have to follow His DIVINE WILL and respect the NATURE. -Guru Nanak, Ang 01 SGGS


HAIRS ON THE HUMAN BODY IS BY NATURE, AND GOING AGAINST THIS NATURE COULD ATTRACT HIS DISPLEAURE FOR A SIKH.
The God in his Will and wisdom has created the complete human being. To interfere with the God given body by circumcision, puffing a hole in the ear or nose and cutting or dyeing the hair are prohibited and treated as disobedience to God’s Will. A God fearing person can never prefer his will and wish to prevail over the God’s Will and can never make any alterations in the God gifted boon, which could attract His displeasure.


Guru Nanak Sahib gives the highest place to ‘Nimarta’ (‘hirdey di garibi’) and saying that
‘Naam beej santokh suhaga rakh garibi veas’ -Guru Nanak, Ang 565 SGGS

When a person becomes very humble (having ‘Nimarta’) he becomes prideless and he obeys God’s divine order or His will very happily.
‘Kudrat kare jhano, jot is bhave nanaka hukam soi parvano -Guru Nanak, Ang 25 SGGS

‘Nanak hukme je bujhe ta huame kahe na koe’ -Guru Nanak(Japji Sahib), Ang 1 SGGS


According to the principles of Guru Nanak in Sri Guru Granth Sahib it is also written like that
‘Sabat surat dastaar sira’ -5^th Guru Nanak, Ang 1084 SGGS


‘Kar kirpa Apna daras dije jas gavao nis ar bhor,
Kes sang das pag jharao ehoo manorath mor’ -5^th Guru Nanak, Ang 500 SGGS


One who loves God, who equally loves His creatures. Guru sahib praises the symbols of ‘sargun sarup’ of Akalpurakh (God) in human being, then says like that


‘Tere banke loen dant risaala, sohne nak jin lamde wala’ -Guru Nanak, Ang 567 SGGS


In whole of Sri Guru Granth Sahibji (SGGS) on almost every Ang (page) there is written about

1. ‘Kudrat’ (Nature)
2. ‘Bhana’ (will of GOD)
3. ‘Hukam’ (divine order)
4. ‘Nimarta’ (humble and politeness) or prideless

All of the above qualities very clearly implies that every sikh must be keshadhari.
All the sikh gurus respected the nature and were ‘keshadhari’ and so were their Sikhs. GURU GOBIND SINGHJI MADE THE ‘REHAT’ FROM GURU NANAK’S PRINCIPLES.

The 'bea-adabi of ‘keshas' is the 'ghor apmaan of our great gurus'. The punishment of such type of deed is written in gurbani as


'sant kea dukhan trigad jon kirmaye' (Sukhmani Sahib)-5^th Guru Nanak, Ang 279 SGGS

Sikh who cuts his hairs is called ‘patit sikh’. The 'patit sikh' even CAN NOT get birth as human being, but will get birth in the bad and lowest 'yonis'.

Many things does not change, God (nature) has grown hairs on the human body and still human babies beings born with hairs on their body and when they grown up, more hairs are grown on their body as beard and moustache. Our sikh gurus tried to directly connect us to the God and His nature.
‘Pooja Akal ki’ -Guru Gobind Singh
‘Khalsa Akal Purukh ki fauj’ -Guru Gobind Singh
‘balihari kudrat vasiya,
tera ant na jayi lakhiya’ -Guru Nanak, Ang 463 SGGS
‘duyi kudrat saajiea kar aasan ditho chaoo’ -Guru Nanak, Ang 463 SGGS
‘sachchi teri kudrat sachhea paatshah’ -Guru Nanak, Ang 463 SGGS

So, it is fundamental rule for Sikhs not to cut their hairs.
Today’s science is also saying that hairs are beneficial to human.


We (Sikhs) all are the sons and daughters of Great Guru Gobind Singh ji, we should accept the sikh traditions with courage and happiness as the children of lion and not to cut our hairs.
Kanwaljit Singh

 

[Harry Haller]

HAIRS ON THE HUMAN BODY IS BY NATURE, AND GOING AGAINST THIS NATURE COULD ATTRACT HIS DISPLEAURE FOR A SIKH.

Oh really? what does 'he' do when 'he' finds out? cessation of chocolate rations? 40 days of darkness? cats and dogs living together?

The God in his Will and wisdom has created the complete human being. To interfere with the God given body by circumcision, puffing a hole in the ear or nose and cutting or dyeing the hair are prohibited and treated as disobedience to God’s Will. A God fearing person can never prefer his will and wish to prevail over the God’s Will and can never make any alterations in the God gifted boon, which could attract His displeasure.

Excellent, so we follow the teachings of Guru Nanak, and attempt to emulate his look, not to further ourselves, or to attempt to carry on the good works of the Gurus, or to have found enlightenment or knowledge, but because we are scared. Is it perhaps an Islamic or Christian forum you were looking for?

In whole of Sri Guru Granth Sahibji (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) on almost every Ang (page) there is written about

1. ‘Kudrat’ (Nature)
2. ‘Bhana’ (will of GOD)
3. ‘Hukam’ (divine order)
4. ‘Nimarta’ (humble and politeness) or prideless

All of the above qualities very clearly implies that every sikh must be keshadhari.

yup seems clear to me, all roads end in hair, right?

All the sikh gurus respected the nature and were ‘keshadhari’ and so were their Sikhs. GURU GOBIND SINGHJI MADE THE ‘REHAT’ FROM GURU NANAK’S PRINCIPLES.

The 'bea-adabi of ‘keshas' is the 'ghor apmaan of our great gurus'. The punishment of such type of deed is written in gurbani as



'sant kea dukhan trigad jon kirmaye' (Sukhmani Sahib)-5^th Guru Nanak, Ang 279 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Sikh who cuts his hairs is called ‘patit sikh’. The 'patit sikh' even CAN NOT get birth as human being, but will get birth in the bad and lowest 'yonis'.

Ok, so let me get this right, if I keep my hair, I will be ok, but if I cut it, then when I get reborn, it will be the baddest and lowest 'yonis', phew, I better keep my hair then, thats me sold.

So, it is fundamental rule for Sikhs not to cut their hairs.

absolutely! let us all go whoring, drugging and drinking to our hearts content, let us abort female girls, let us make the lives of our daughters in laws a misery, let us have lavish and pointless weddings, let every Gurudwara in the land be a focus point for German engineered cars at their best, but do not cut your hair!

:kaurkhalsaflagblue:


To clarify, I pity anyone who keeps their hair out of fear, this is not the essence and spirit of Sikhism that I understand, to keep hair is a wonderful thing, and I respect anyone who attempts to heighten their connection with uncut hair, When I read my Veerji Lucky's posts about his hair, and his absolute pleasure and joy in watching it grow, I feel a sense of pride, a sense of expectation, it is heart warming.

To meet someone with a full head of hair because of the fear of being reborn as a frog, does not incite the same feelings within me................

 

[spnadmin]

harry haller ji

It is so harsh when creator, nature, bana, hukam and nimrata are thought to be punishments. They instead might be awesome gifts freely chosen.

Hair often becomes the great moral cover-up, doesn't it. Pardon the bad pun. The great cover-up for avoidance, an excuse, for not taking stock of our deeds.

Of good reasons to keep hair, the quoted post hardly gives those reasons, for all the reasons you mention. On someone's list there always has to be at least one bogey-man to keep us on the straight and narrow road. Usually it is 'god' in combination with the 4 tonics, bottled ahead of time for easy consumption, of nature, god's command, hukam, and nimrata Which of course leads to the rest of what you say. Let's be good because 'god' will get even. Is that scary or is it just lazy?

I am always perplexed why so few mention we might keep hair to align with our inner nature and our inner quest for nature, bana, hukam and nimrata. Much less scary too!

 

[buddhushah]

Oh really? what does 'he' do when 'he' finds out? cessation of chocolate rations? 40 days of darkness? cats and dogs living together?

Excellent, so we follow the teachings of Guru Nanak, and attempt to emulate his look, not to further ourselves, or to attempt to carry on the good works of the Gurus, or to have found enlightenment or knowledge, but because we are scared. Is it perhaps an Islamic or Christian forum you were looking for?

yup seems clear to me, all roads end in hair, right?

Ok, so let me get this right, if I keep my hair, I will be ok, but if I cut it, then when I get reborn, it will be the baddest and lowest 'yonis', phew, I better keep my hair then, thats me sold.

absolutely! let us all go whoring, drugging and drinking to our hearts content, let us abort female girls, let us make the lives of our daughters in laws a misery, let us have lavish and pointless weddings, let every Gurudwara in the land be a focus point for German engineered cars at their best, but do not cut your hair!

:kaurkhalsaflagblue:


To clarify, I pity anyone who keeps their hair out of fear, this is not the essence and spirit of Sikhism that I understand, to keep hair is a wonderful thing, and I respect anyone who attempts to heighten their connection with uncut hair, When I read my Veerji Lucky's posts about his hair, and his absolute pleasure and joy in watching it grow, I feel a sense of pride, a sense of expectation, it is heart warming.

To meet someone with a full head of hair because of the fear of being reborn as a frog, does not incite the same feelings within me................

rightly said harry,sikhism was never pillored by mercenary thoughts or barter trade.if it is a path or a way, all paths/roads/routes either on land ,high seas ,or open air and even space ,they have some rules to follow;if we take it as a fauj, then every fauj carries a distinct identity of it self.we should love it to live itand hope fully die it.

 

[Serjinder Singh]

As an amritdhari Sikh I wouldn't bother about what others do or don't do to their 'Kes'. i would judge them if I am forced to by their love for the 'one' God who is present in every body. Thus,

ਕਬੀਰ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਇਕ ਸਿਉ ਕੀਏ ਆਨ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਜਾਇ
॥ ਭਾਵੈ ਲਾਂਬੇ ਕੇਸ ਕਰੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਘਰਰਿ ਮੁਡਾਇ ॥੨੫॥ SGGS page 1365

Humbly
Serjinder Singh

 

[itsmaneet]

I wonder how such topics are discussed so long ..... about KES, our GuruJi ordered not to disrespect hair ... isn't tht enough for a SIKH ??

There are many who'll very foolishly argue on this but SIKH is a SIKH only if he respects Guru's orders...

 

[spnadmin]

I wonder how such topics are discussed so long ..... about KES, our GuruJi ordered not to disrespect hair ... isn't tht enough for a SIKH ??

There are many who'll very foolishly argue on this but SIKH is a SIKH only if he respects Guru's orders...

itsmaneetj i

Personally I stay away from threads about kes for a reason. Over time the discussion goes in circles with the same thoughts coming forward again and again. This time I break my rule.

How can anyone sit on the throne of judgement and decide who is a Sikh and who is not a Sikh based on "respect for Guru's orders." There are too many self-appointed panchayats of the Internet deciding on the question of who is a Sikh. The question of kes in particular misses the point our Gurus were making. In their time, kes was permitted only to the rich and powerful. When the Gurus taught (not ordered) there is no high and there is no low, rejoice in your beautiful hair, they were teaching (not ordering) that kes declares the equality of all humankind. When Guru Gobind Singh taught equality of all within the khalsa, he also taught (not ordered) that Sikhi is about brotherhood and sisterhood. Sikhi is about "choosing" with eyes wide open. Sikhi is not about following orders, eyes tightly shut, with some Sikhs deciding who is allowed into the "club" of "true Sikhs" and who is a shame to the rest.

The reason btw the thread goes on so long is that people often come to the forum for the first time years after a thread has been started.They want to be part of the discussion. It is brand new for them, if not for others.

Guru Gobind Singh's words in Khalsa Mehima are the words of a brother - so beautiful - they embrace and do not judge.

Khaalsaa mero roop hai khaas |
Khalsa is my image of my own nobility.

 

[itsmaneet]

When the Gurus taught (not ordered) there is no high and there is no low, rejoice in your beautiful hair, they were teaching (not ordering) that kes declares the equality of all humankind. When Guru Gobind Singh taught equality of all within the khalsa, he also taught (not ordered) that Sikhi is about brotherhood and sisterhood

There are many SIKHS who will consider Guru's teachings as ORDERS. Bhai Lehna Ji wud never have become Guru Angad Dev Ji had he questioned Guru Nanak Ji on being asked to eat a dead body. A Guru's Sikh wud always take Guru's Teachings as 'Hukums' .... thts wht I feel others may differ on this.

Gurfateh !!

 

[spnadmin]

There are many SIKHS who will consider Guru's teachings as ORDERS. Bhai Lehna Ji wud never have become Guru Angad Dev Ji had he questioned Guru Nanak Ji on being asked to eat a dead body. A Guru's Sikh wud always take Guru's Teachings as 'Hukums' .... thts wht I feel others may differ on this.

Gurfateh !!

itsmaneet ji

Yes there are others who would differ. Especially those who doubt the authenticity of many stories counting in the janamsakhi of Guru Nanak, especially the one about ordering Lehna ji to eat a corpse. Why would the same Guru who descried in Gurbani the habit of Jains to inspect their own bowel movements turn around and ask a loyal chella to eat a corpse?

That is the common sense argument against what you are saying. A careful study of janamsakhis belongs to a different thread.

There also seems to be some misunderstanding of the meaning of the word "hukam." Sikhi is not a video game, as in follow my orders or :realangrymunda: Hukam has more than one meaning.

 

[spnadmin]

Apologies ... More thoughts on the matter of ordering Bhai Lehna/Guru Angaad ji to eat a corpse.

1. How many who claim that Sikhs are vegetarians also believe that Guru Angaad followed orders and ate a corpse?

2. The sakhi makes an Aghori yogi of Guru Angaad ji. The Aghori are known for many rituals including cannibalism, feeding on corpses. Why would all of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji teach against the egotism of outlandish yogic rituals, only to have Guru Nanak give an order that Guru Angaad or anyone else eat a corpse?

Janamsakhi need to be read with caution. If the life sketch of Guru Nanak is not consistent with Gurbani it should be questioned.

p/s Attached are some interesting observations from KS Kanga in his analysis of the literary janamsakhis by Sujan Singh.

 

[Harry Haller]

There are many SIKHS who will consider Guru's teachings as ORDERS. Bhai Lehna Ji wud never have become Guru Angad Dev Ji had he questioned Guru Nanak Ji on being asked to eat a dead body. A Guru's Sikh wud always take Guru's Teachings as 'Hukums' .... thts wht I feel others may differ on this.

Gurfateh !!

This account by J Grover sheds some more light, I did not realise that choosing the next Guru was so much like Pop Idol...., I had a fancy that two men of the highest learning connected through spiritual discourse, it is interesting to note which of the above views is considered heresy, and which one completely normal.

Lahna Ji Meets Guru Nanak

As he slept that night, he had a strange dream. He saw that Vaishno Devi was sweeping the floor of Guru Nanak. When he asked Devi the reason for doing so She replied, "The source of all my powers is Guru Nanak. All that I distribute among my followers is a prize of sweeping His floors." The dream had an imposing effect. Lahna Ji thought that if Nanak is the ultimate giver, and even the Devis bow to Him, He should be his real Guru. So he urged his group to continue their journey without him. The group made him repeated requests to accompany them, but Lahna Ji had made up his mind to spend the rest of his life serving Guru Nanak.

Lahna Ji's Tests of Patience and Devotion
Lahna Ji started spending all of his time in serving Guru Nanak or reciting His hymns. He was completely dedicated to divine service. Guru Nanak was to reward him for all this but not without a series of twelve tests.

In the first test Nanak ordered several of His Sikhs, including Lahna Ji, to fetch fresh grass for the cattle during a heavy downpour. While all others cut corners Lahna Ji abided by Guru Nanak's words, and brought back a bundle of green grass on his head with water oozing out to spoil his clothes. Guru Nanak laughed, but out of joy of Lahna Ji passing his first test. On another rainy day Guru Nanak went for a bath in the river, accompanied by five of His sikhs Baba Buddha, Bhagirath, Saadaaran, Ajita and Lahna Ji. While Guru Nanak took a dip in the river, He asked His men to stay on the banks. A chilling breeze of air and rain storm made everyone but Lahna Ji leave the place. Lahna Ji had successfully completed the second one.

The third one was very bizarre. As Guru Nanak was crossing a forest with His Sikhs and His own sons they came across a dead body. Guru Nanak ordered all of them to eat the body. Everyone was apprehensive and none had the courage to come forward and taste blood. Lahna Ji had tremendous faith in Guru Nanak, and without a hitch he proceeded to lift the cloth of sheet over the body. To everybody's bewilderment there was 'Karah Parshad' (holy food) underneath. Lahna Ji enjoyed the meal and all others were left ashamed.

One night while it was raining cats and dogs a wall fell. Guru Nanak ordered His Sikhs to wake up and reconstruct the wall. Some did not bother to even leave their bed as they believed that it was impossible to construct the wall in such severe rain; but as soon as Guru Nanak directed Lahna Ji to do the task he started off in a flash and spent rest of the night in erecting the wall.
Sangat (religious gathering) had conglomerated and Guru Nanak intentionally did not have 'Karah Parshad' to be distributed among them. He asked his own sons to shake an acacia tree and remove 'Parshad' from it, but they found it absurd and refused to proceed. It was again Lahna, the one with absolute faith in Guru Nanak's utterances, who shook the acacia, and 'Parshad' did fall to leave everyone astonished.

Guru Nanak once called on every one in the middle of the night and asked them to wash clothes on the river bank. Sri Chand and Lakhmi Das, Guru Nanak's own sons, found it below their dignity to wash the clothes themselves. While most of the other Sikhs made excuse of the dead of the night, Lahna Ji unphased by any outside uncomfortable conditions, went to the river and came back with washed clothes.

Guru Nanak once took the form of a gigantic monster with deep red eyes, a huge knife tied to His waist, and started behaving in a strange scary manner. He set off for the forests, the Sikhs followed Him to some distance but everybody gave up, feeling too scared. But Lahna matched Guru Nanak step to step. He tried all sorts of tricks to scare Lahna Ji but could not shake his faith.

http://www.1888articles.com/lahna-ji-guru-angad-dev-ji-meets-guru-nanak-093011.html

 

[spnadmin]

harry ji

Is the article a joke? Is the author a comedian?

Three things that are really disconcerting.

1. The Grover sakhi is openly accessible on the Internet. No questions asked and little likelihood that a critical evaluation of the article or the web site will be undertaken by the reader passing through.

2. It is laden with the thrill of the supernatural. Who would not prefer that to a modest account of a Guru who like to spend his day tending his field and his cattle?

3. The article sells books for a prominent publisher listed at the bottom of the page. It says "The author [that is Grover] has started building the Largest Online Bookstore with followed by the url. The PROFIT motive is involved, money not learning.

1888articles is the domain name for the article. We have no way of knowing whether there is any screening at all of the quality of the site content.

I am hesitant to check out the other publications of the author because my blood pressure is normally low and I like it that way.

The lesson learned? There are many who reject all the Janamsakhis and one can see why.

 

[Harry Haller]

There are many SIKHS who will consider Guru's teachings as ORDERS. Bhai Lehna Ji wud never have become Guru Angad Dev Ji had he questioned Guru Nanak Ji on being asked to eat a dead body. A Guru's Sikh wud always take Guru's Teachings as 'Hukums' .... thts wht I feel others may differ on this.

Gurfateh !!

The very mention of the word 'order' brings to mind possible consequences if the 'order' is not carried out, in this case, it may well have denied the second Master from being Bhai Lehna ji. You have posted this story on a thread about keeping hair, thus, I would conclude that keeping hair is therefore an order, similar to eating a Corpse.

The Sikhism that I understand actively discourages blind faith, and encourages understanding and enlightenment. If I may quote a story to support, as I know you like stories, when Guru Nanak refused to wear the Hindu thread, he must have realised he was setting a precedent in the very way of life he was advocating, ie, from that day on, how could he ever possibly encourage people to blindly follow without thinking first, and secondly, not to follow an order for the sake of following an order.

If this story is true, I can see another gem of wisdom that is more relevant than blindly doing what your told, just to get a gold star, and that would be that firstly, not everything appears to be what it is, the things that may seem repulsive, may in fact be gems of wisdom, or even food, but more importantly, the things that seem attractive, that draw you in, the offer you the promise of 'a good time', more often than not, are the corpse, the decaying rotting corpse, that offers a short term pleasure, but where the consequences of such, are huge, and permanent.

 

[buddhushah]

The very mention of the word 'order' brings to mind possible consequences if the 'order' is not carried out, in this case, it may well have denied the second Master from being Bhai Lehna ji. You have posted this story on a thread about keeping hair, thus, I would conclude that keeping hair is therefore an order, similar to eating a Corpse.

The Sikhism that I understand actively discourages blind faith, and encourages understanding and enlightenment. If I may quote a story to support, as I know you like stories, when Guru Nanak refused to wear the Hindu thread, he must have realised he was setting a precedent in the very way of life he was advocating, ie, from that day on, how could he ever possibly encourage people to blindly follow without thinking first, and secondly, not to follow an order for the sake of following an order.

If this story is true, I can see another gem of wisdom that is more relevant than blindly doing what your told, just to get a gold star, and that would be that firstly, not everything appears to be what it is, the things that may seem repulsive, may in fact be gems of wisdom, or even food, but more importantly, the things that seem attractive, that draw you in, the offer you the promise of 'a good time', more often than not, are the corpse, the decaying rotting corpse, that offers a short term pleasure, but where the consequences of such, are huge, and permanent.

this topic and conversation, only shows our shallow minds and shallower faith.the master is the head of this flock,and he has all the right to its identity.we may like it or not ,he has niether made any concessions for jioning it ,nor showed us the demons for other wise.yes ,one thing he made it clear[-sir thar tali, gali mori aao].rest of the stories are marketed by highly enlightened of our brethern,who wanted to market their own enter prises.let us all stand up to do the job that the master wants us to do rather than wasting our energies in measuring the ocean with glass in hand.

 

[Harry Haller]

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let us all stand up to do the job that the master wants us to do

To your mind, what is that job?