Hinduism Sikhism And Hinduism

[sachin0990]

Is Sikhism different from Hinduism or it is separated

 

[namjiwankaur]

Sikhi was born and raised in an area where there were a lot of Hindus and Muslims. Because it speaks to those Hindus and Muslims who sometimes go astray or practice the rituals of their religion by rote, etc., there are sometimes connections made between the religions that don't really exist. There is a type of criticism of empty rituals and some are addressed to the Hindus and Muslims of that time who gave too much emphasis to the ritual vs. the relationship with the Beloved.

That being said, I would recommend checking out Sanatan Sikhi (http://www.sarbloh.info).

Of course, I'm not Sikh or Hindu, so I'm sure others will know much more than I do about this.

Blessed be,
Nam Jiwan

 

[Taranjeet singh]

Sikhism /sikhi is a full fledged religion unlike Hinduism that is a part of life and has no other crystallized meaning.
Sikhism has one book of cannons: Hinduism is not contained in one book. Infact, entire Hinduism is contained in one canonical Granth of sikhs.

Kindly explain Hinduism in full so that we can answer the question as per what you desire Sachin ji.

Regards.!

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

Is Sikhism different from Hinduism or it is separated

There is a perfect answer to this in Gurbanee as

ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਵਰਤ ਨ ਰਹਉ ਨ ਮਹ ਰਮਦਾਨਾ ॥ ਤਿਸੁ ਸੇਵੀ ਜੋ ਰਖੈ ਨਿਦਾਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਏਕੁ ਗੁਸਾਈ ਅਲਹੁ ਮੇਰਾ ॥ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਤੁਰਕ ਦੁਹਾਂ ਨੇਬੇਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥ ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥ ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥ ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥ ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1136}

One should understand each word of this Sabad to get the answer to difference between Sikhi and other prevailing sect of Asia like Islam and
Hinduism.

Prakash.S.Bagga

 

[Ambarsaria]

Thanks Prakash.S.Bagga ji for the Shabad reference. I cite below with translation from Srigranth.org for quick reference,

ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
भैरउ महला ५ ॥
Bẖairo mėhlā 5.
Bhairao, Fifth Mehl:
ਭੈਰਉ ਪੰਜਵੀਂ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ।
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ਵਰਤ ਨ ਰਹਉ ਨ ਮਹ ਰਮਦਾਨਾ ॥
वरत न रहउ न मह रमदाना ॥
varaṯ na raha▫o na mah ramḏānā.
I do not keep fasts, nor do I observe the month of Ramadaan.
ਮੈਂ ਵਰਤ ਰੱਖਦਾ ਹਾਂ, ਨਾਂ ਹੀ ਮੈਂ ਰਮਜਾਨ ਦੇ ਮਹੀਨੇ ਵੱਲ ਧਿਆਨ ਦਿੰਦਾ ਹਾਂ।
ਰਹਉ = ਰਹਉਂ, ਮੈਂ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹਾਂ। ਮਹ ਰਮਦਾਨਾ = ਮਾਹ ਰਮਜ਼ਾਨਾ, ਰਮਜ਼ਾਨ ਦਾ ਮਹੀਨਾ (ਜਦੋਂ ਰੋਜ਼ੇ ਰੱਖੇ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ)।
ਨਾਹ ਮੈਂ (ਹਿੰਦੂ ਦੇ) ਵਰਤਾਂ ਦਾ ਆਸਰਾ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ, ਨਾਹ ਮੈਂ (ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਦੇ) ਰਮਜ਼ਾਨ ਦੇ ਮਹੀਨੇ (ਵਿਚ ਰੱਖੇ ਰੋਜ਼ਿਆਂ ਦਾ)।

ਤਿਸੁ ਸੇਵੀ ਜੋ ਰਖੈ ਨਿਦਾਨਾ ॥੧॥
तिसु सेवी जो रखै निदाना ॥१॥
Ŧis sevī jo rakẖai niḏānā. ||1||
I serve only the One, who will protect me in the end. ||1||
ਮੈਂ ਕੇਵਲ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਟਹਿਲ ਕਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ, ਜੋ ਅਖੀਰ ਨੂੰ ਮੇਰੀ ਰੱਖਿਆ ਕਰੇਗਾ।
ਤਿਸੁ = ਉਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੂੰ। ਸੇਵੀ = ਸੇਵੀਂ, ਮੈਂ ਸਿਮਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ। ਰਖੈ = ਰੱਖਿਆ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਨਿਦਾਨਾ = ਆਖ਼ਰ ਨੂੰ ॥੧॥
ਮੈਂ ਤਾਂ (ਸਿਰਫ਼) ਉਸ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨੂੰ ਸਿਮਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਆਖ਼ਿਰ (ਹਰੇਕ ਦੀ) ਰੱਖਿਆ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ ॥੧॥

ਏਕੁ ਗੁਸਾਈ ਅਲਹੁ ਮੇਰਾ ॥
एकु गुसाई अलहु मेरा ॥
Ėk gusā▫ī alhu merā.
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
ਸੰਸਾਰ ਦਾ ਇੱਕ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਹੀ ਮੇਰਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ।
ਗੁਸਾਈ = ਗੋ-ਸਾਈਂ, ਧਰਤੀ ਦਾ ਖਸਮ। ਅਲਹੁ = ਅੱਲਾ (ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਵਾਸਤੇ)।
ਮੇਰਾ ਤਾਂ ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਉਹ ਹੈ (ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਹਿੰਦੂ) ਗੁਸਾਈਂ (ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ) ਅੱਲਾ (ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈ)।

ਹਿੰਦੂ ਤੁਰਕ ਦੁਹਾਂ ਨੇਬੇਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
हिंदू तुरक दुहां नेबेरा ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Hinḏū ṯurak ḏuhāʼn neberā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
He administers justice to both Hindus and Muslims. ||1||Pause||
ਉਹ ਹਿੰਦੂਆਂ ਅਤੇ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨਾ ਦੋਹਾਂ ਦਾ ਨਿਆਂ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਠਹਿਰਾਉ।
ਦੁਹਾਂ ਨੇਬੇਰਾ = ਦੁਹਾਂ ਤੋਂ (ਸੰਬੰਧ) ਨਿਬੇੜ ਲਿਆ ਹੈ, ਦੋਹਾਂ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਮੁਕਾ ਲਿਆ ਹੈ ॥੧॥
(ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਦੀ ਅਗਵਾਈ ਦੇ ਸੰਬੰਧ ਵਿਚ) ਮੈਂ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਅਤੇ ਤੁਰਕ ਦੋਹਾਂ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਹੀ ਸਾਂਝ ਮੁਕਾ ਲਈ ਹੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ॥

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥
हज काबै जाउ न तीरथ पूजा ॥
Haj kābai jā▫o na ṯirath pūjā.
I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.
ਮੈਂ ਮੱਕੇ ਦੀ ਯਾਤਰਾ ਤੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਂਦਾ, ਨਾਂ ਹੀ ਮੈਂ ਧਰਮ ਅਸਥਾਨਾਂ ਤੇ ਉਪਾਸ਼ਨਾ ਕਰਦਹਾ ਹਾਂ।
ਜਾਉ ਨ = ਜਾਉਂ ਨ, ਮੈਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਂਦਾ।
ਮੈਂ ਨਾਹ ਕਾਬੇ ਦਾ ਹੱਜ ਕਰਨ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ (ਜਿਵੇਂ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ), ਨਾਹ ਮੈਂ (ਹਿੰਦੂਆਂ ਵਾਂਗ) ਤੀਰਥਾਂ ਤੇ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਨ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ।

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥
एको सेवी अवरु न दूजा ॥२॥
Ėko sevī avar na ḏūjā. ||2||
I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||
ਮੈਂ ਕੇਵਲ ਇੱਕ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਦੀ ਘਾਲ ਕਮਾਉਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਕਿਸੇ ਹੋਰਸ ਦੀ ਨਹੀਂ।
ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ = ਇਕ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨੂੰ ਹੀ ਮੈਂ ਸਿਮਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ ॥੨॥
ਮੈਂ ਤਾਂ ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਇੱਕ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨੂੰ ਸਿਮਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ, ਕਿਸੇ ਹੋਰ ਦੂਜੇ ਨੂੰ ਨਹੀਂ (ਸਿਮਰਦਾ) ॥੨॥

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥
पूजा करउ न निवाज गुजारउ ॥
Pūjā kara▫o na nivāj gujāra▫o.
I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.
ਮੈਂ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਢੰਗ ਦੀ ਉਪਾਸ਼ਨਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਦਾ, ਨਾਂ ਹੀ ਮੈਂ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨੀ ਨਮਾਜ ਪੜ੍ਹਦਾ ਹਾਂ।
ਕਰਉ ਨ = ਕਰਉਂ ਨ, ਮੈਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਦਾ। ਨਿਵਾਜ = ਨਿਮਾਜ਼। ਨ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ = ਨ ਗੁਜਾਰਉਂ, ਮੈਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਗੁਜ਼ਾਰਦਾ, ਮੈਂ (ਨਿਮਾਜ਼) ਨਹੀਂ ਪੜ੍ਹਦਾ।
ਮੈਂ ਨਾਹ (ਹਿੰਦੂਆਂ ਵਾਂਗ ਵੇਦ-) ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ, ਨਾਹ (ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਵਾਂਗ) ਨਿਮਾਜ਼ ਪੜ੍ਹਦਾ ਹਾਂ।

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥
एक निरंकार ले रिदै नमसकारउ ॥३॥
Ėk nirankār le riḏai namaskāra▫o. ||3||
I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||
ਇੱਕ ਸਰੂ ਰਹਿਤ ਸਾਈਂ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਮਨ ਅੰਦਰ ਟਿਕਾ ਕੇ ਮੈਂ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਓਥੇ ਹੀ ਬੰਦਨਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ।
ਲੈ = ਲੈ ਕੇ। ਰਿਦੈ = ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ। ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ = ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉਂ, ਮੈਂ ਸਿਰ ਨਿਵਾਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ ॥੩॥
ਮੈਂ ਤਾਂ ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਵਸਾ ਕੇ (ਉਸ ਅੱਗੇ) ਸਿਰ ਨਿਵਾਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ ॥੩॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥
ना हम हिंदू न मुसलमान ॥
Nā ham hinḏū na musalmān.
I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.
ਨਾਂ ਮੈਂ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਹਾਂ, ਨਾਂ ਹੀ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ।
ਹਮ = ਅਸੀ।
(ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਦੀ ਅਗਵਾਈ ਵਾਸਤੇ) ਨਾਹ ਅਸੀਂ ਹਿੰਦੂ (ਦੇ ਮੁਥਾਜ) ਹਾਂ, ਨਾਹ ਅਸੀਂ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ (ਦੇ ਮੁਥਾਜ) ਹਾਂ।

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥
अलह राम के पिंडु परान ॥४॥
Alah rām ke pind parān. ||4||
My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||
ਮੇਰੀ ਦੇਹ ਅਤੇ ਜਿੰਦੜੀ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਮਲਕੀਅਤ ਹਨ ਜੋ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਖੁਦਾ ਅਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂਆਂ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਆਖਿਆ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ।
ਪਿੰਡ = ਸਰੀਰ। ਪਰਾਨ = ਪ੍ਰਾਣ, ਜਿੰਦ। ਕੇ = ਦੇ (ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹੋਏ) ॥੪॥
ਸਾਡੇ ਇਹ ਸਰੀਰ ਸਾਡੀ ਇਹ ਜਿੰਦ (ਉਸ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ) ਦੇ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ (ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ) ਅੱਲਾ (ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਹਿੰਦੂ) ਰਾਮ (ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈ) ॥੪॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥
कहु कबीर इहु कीआ वखाना ॥
Kaho Kabīr ih kī▫ā vakẖānā.
Says Kabeer, this is what I say:
ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਨ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਮੈਂ ਸੱਚ ਉਚਾਰਨ ਕਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ,
ਕਹੁ = ਆਖ। ਕਬੀਰ = ਹੇ ਕਬੀਰ!
ਹੇ ਕਬੀਰ! ਮੈਂ ਤਾਂ ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਖੋਲ੍ਹ ਕੇ ਦੱਸਦਾ ਹਾਂ,

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥
गुर पीर मिलि खुदि खसमु पछाना ॥५॥३॥
Gur pīr mil kẖuḏ kẖasam pacẖẖānā. ||5||3||
meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||
ਕਿ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਪੈਗੰਬਰ ਨਾਲ ਮਿਲ ਕੇ ਮੈਂ ਆਪਣੇ ਸਾਈਂ ਨੂੰ ਅਨੁਭਵ ਕਰ ਲਿਆ ਹੈ।
ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿ = ਗੁਰੂ ਨੂੰ ਮਿਲ ਕੇ। ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ = ਪੀਰ ਨੂੰ ਮਿਲ ਕੇ। ਖੁਦਿ = ਆਪਣਾ ॥੫॥੩॥
ਕਿ ਮੈਂ ਆਪਣੇ ਗੁਰੂ-ਪੀਰ ਨੂੰ ਮਿਲ ਕੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਖਸਮ-ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨਾਲ ਡੂੰਘੀ ਸਾਂਝ ਪਾ ਰੱਖੀ ਹੈ ॥੫॥੩॥

In essence above shabad states the (Kabir ji wrote but Guru ji felt fit to select and include in SGGS and indicating agreement with it) dialog with but one creator and hence do not feel the need for the Hinduism, Islamic or other rituals or practices. One creator and seeking wisdom of the same directly versus any intermediaries in persons, deities, organizations or hierarchies.

These teaching encouraging uplifting and freedom of the human souls established fundamentals of Sikhism thought. Bypassing of the established religious leaderships, organizations, subservience to such was addressed up front by Guru ji. It was not much liked by either the Hindu masters/Brahmins or the people in-charge of Islam/Kazis. He brought everyone down from their pedestals and made all equal including self, you and me. He paid the price through his own martyrdom.

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

AMBARSARIA Ji,
The interpretation more or less is correct except for the meaning of the
word NIRANKAAR being taken as FORMLESS.

One should give a deep thinking to the actual meaning of this word NIRANKAAR .This is very very crucial word for true understanding of the whole of Gurbanee.

One should try to extract the true meaning of this word by dior tri secting it.
This is the way how the meaning of composite word is derived at.

Till 1990 I also had the meaning of this word in my mind as every one thinks.
But Trisecting this word I could get a much true meaning of this word which is
quite different and more close to the true understanding of Gurbanee.

This can be a very great excersise anyone should try this .
No compulsion,just personal views.

Prakash.S.Bagga

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

Prakash.S.Bagga ji thanks for your post.I kind of agree with your comment regarding Nirankaar. Would the following be more in line with your understanding,

Any comments.

Sat Sri Akal.

Sorry Veer ji,Not at all.

Prakash.s.Bagga

 

[chazSingh]

There is a perfect answer to this in Gurbanee as

ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਵਰਤ ਨ ਰਹਉ ਨ ਮਹ ਰਮਦਾਨਾ ॥ ਤਿਸੁ ਸੇਵੀ ਜੋ ਰਖੈ ਨਿਦਾਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਏਕੁ ਗੁਸਾਈ ਅਲਹੁ ਮੇਰਾ ॥ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਤੁਰਕ ਦੁਹਾਂ ਨੇਬੇਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥ ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥ ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥ ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥ ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1136}

One should understand each word of this Sabad to get the answer to difference between Sikhi and other prevailing sect of Asia like Islam and
Hinduism.

Prakash.S.Bagga

This is a perfect example in gurbani of the differences.

We (the many) come from the one (god) - we only just need to focus on the One (our direction) with fulll love and devotion. Regardless of our outer religious names...all of us have the god given means to realise him...all exists within.

The same shabad describes the hunting of the dear (our senses) which takes us in so many directions and keeps our attention outward...but the true game is within and we all have the ability to realise the truth within:

aakhaer birath baahar aaeiou dhhaae ||
My mind used to run around outside hunting.

ahaeraa paaeiou ghar kai gaa(n)e ||2||
But now, I have found the game within the home of my body-village. ||2||

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

We (the many) come from the one (god)

chaz Singh ji,

I would like to modify this as,

We all are part of a n infinite Single Source.The Single Source is clearly stated to be
waves.
Inside our real form is of a Wave.The body is only the residence for this Wave only.
This I think is the real understanding one can learn from Gurbanee.

Prakash.S.Bagga

 

[chazSingh]

We (the many) come from the one (god)

chaz Singh ji,

I would like to modify this as,

We all are part of a n infinite Single Source.The Single Source is clearly stated to be
waves.
Inside our real form is of a Wave.The body is only the residence for this Wave only.
This I think is the real understanding one can learn from Gurbanee.

Prakash.S.Bagga

yes ji i agree,

gurbani describes as waves, sound current, anhad shabad, unstruck sound current.... but words from physical language can only help me contemplate this...the true reality goes beyond the boundaries of what our minds can actually understand or put into words.

with guru ji's grace i hope we can all experience this within our lifetimes

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

.... but words from physical language can only help me contemplate this...the true reality goes beyond the boundaries of what our minds can actually understand or put into words.

chaZ Singh ji, thanks for your views

This is what exactly one has to learn from Gurbanee
.From Gurbanee one can learn that
the actual message about True Reality which is beyond boundaries of ones mind is as

Such Reality be known thru the WORD of GuR.And Such Reality is EKANKAAR/NIRANKAAR
being depicted with SYMBOL as IMAGE of The Reality.

Prakash.s.Bagga

 

[chazSingh]

.... but words from physical language can only help me contemplate this...the true reality goes beyond the boundaries of what our minds can actually understand or put into words.

chaZ Singh ji, thanks for your views

This is what exactly one has to learn from Gurbanee
.From Gurbanee one can learn that
the actual message about True Reality which is beyond boundaries of ones mind is as

Such Reality be known thru the WORD of GuR.And Such Reality is EKANKAAR/NIRANKAAR
being depicted with SYMBOL as IMAGE of The Reality.

Prakash.s.Bagga

Satnaam ji,

unfortunately i am not as learned in gurbani as you seem to be, so i took the method of doing Simran at amrit vela to try and experience gurbani more and relate to SGGS Ji.

slowly gurbani is becoming a little more clearer every day, but yet the reality of gurbani being endless seems to be more apparent.

you said ji, that "Such Reality be known thru the WORD of GuR" through simran guru ji is showing me that word of guru exists also deep within us and with His grace we hear and feel it and it lifts us higher towards him.

God bless ji.

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

through simran guru ji is showing me that word of guru exists also deep within us and with His grace we hear and feel it and it lifts us higher towards him.

I can obsevrve your strong grasping power..The WORD of GuR exists also deep within us..
That very WORD of GuR is exclusively is being told thru out Gurbanee. and for knowing this too the grace of GuRu is must.And for this grace one should keep ones mind in contact with Gurbanee as much as possible.

Prakash.S.Bagga

Prakash.S.Bagga

 

[sanj007]

Sanatan Dharma (hinduism real name) is oldest religion. Its primary book are the Vedas, then we have upanishads with supporting book s like Gita.
Manu smritri is not a holy text, and anything in manu that contradicts Vedas is rejected, manu has also been corrupted.

Primary points of Vedas:

The last Sukta of Rigveda (10.191) summarizes the whole essence of what humans should do to imbibe the Vedas. The entire Vedas have to be understood in context of this Sukta which emphasizes on the most differentiating trait of human beings – unity – in purpose, method and approach. Here is a summary list of the dictates of Vedic religion in this Sukta:
Rigveda 10.191.2
- walk together in the path of truth without bias, injustice and intolerance
- talk to each other to enhance knowledge, wisdom and affection without malice and hatred
- keep working together to enhance knowledge and bliss
- follow the path of truth and selflessness as exemplified by noble people
Rigveda 10.191.3
- Your analysis of right and wrong should be unbiased and not specific to particular set of people
- You should organize together to help everyone enhance their health, knowledge and prosperity
- Your minds should be devoid of hatred and should see progress and happiness of all as one’s own progress and happiness and you should only act for enhancement of happiness of all based on truth
- Work together to eradicate falsehood and discover truth
- Never ever deviate from path of truth and unity
Rigveda 10.191.4
- Your efforts should be full of enthusiasm and for bliss of everyone
- Your emotions should be for one and all and love everyone the way you love yourself
- Your desire, resolve, analysis, faith, abstinence, patience, keenness, focus, comfort etc all should be towards truth and bliss for all, and away from falsehood.
- Keep working in synergy to increase each others’ knowledge and bliss.

 

[sanj007]

Also prime end game for Sanatan Dharma faith is Moksha, ie merging back with god, bu this can only happend if the indivual leads a noble life.

Another primary point is :

In sloka (X.20)"I am the Self seated in the heart of all creatures. I am the beginning, the middle and the very end of all beings". All beings have, therefore to be treated alike

Also we KARMA yoga, or selfless service without expectation of rewards:

http://www.santosha.com/philosophy/gita-chapter3.html

1. Therefore, always perform your duty efficiently
   and without attachment to the results,
   because by doing work without attachment one attains the Supreme.
   [*]
   [*]
   King Janaka and others attained perfection
   by Karma-yoga alone.
   You should perform your duty with a view to guide people
   and for the universal welfare (of the society).

1. 
   Because, whatever noble persons do, others follow.
   Whatever standard they set up, the world follows.

Jai Mata ji( not Jai papa ji, why?....)

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

Sanatan Dharma (hinduism real name) is oldest religion. Its primary book are the Vedas, then we have upanishads with supporting book s like Gita.
Manu smritri is not a holy text, and anything in manu that contradicts Vedas is rejected, manu has also been corrupted.

Primary points of Vedas:

DOGRA Ji,

At the times whwn VEDAS There is no word like Hindu at that time.
So How can you claim that SANATAN DHARAM is Real Hinduism.
In fact Sanatan Dharam is for every being of that time.
I appreciate there may be some great wordly knowledge in Vedas which has overlapped the real spritual knowledge.
You may think over this.
Prakash.S.Bagga

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

Also prime end game for Sanatan Dharma faith is Moksha, ie merging back with god, bu this can only happend if the indivual leads a noble life.

Another primary point is :


Also we KARMA yoga, or selfless service without expectation of rewards:

http://www.santosha.com/philosophy/gita-chapter3.html

1. 
   
   Jai Mata ji( not Jai papa ji, why?....)

1. 
   
   In Sikh Philosophy there is equal status of THE CREATOR as MATA and PITAA
   There is no discriminaion of Gender.
   Creator is MOTHER as well as FATHER ( Should be interesting to know how?)
   
   Prakash.S.Bagga

 

[sanj007]

DOGRA Ji,

At the times whwn VEDAS There is no word like Hindu at that time.
So How can you claim that SANATAN DHARAM is Real Hinduism.
In fact Sanatan Dharam is for every being of that time.
I appreciate there may be some great wordly knowledge in Vedas which has overlapped the real spritual knowledge.
You may think over this.
Prakash.S.Bagga

Hindu is not a term for Vedic faith, our faith is Sanatan Dharma, and this is from Vedas, so this is our faith. Of course over 5000 years there will be various sects, but this is our faith, and other people are free to worship their faith as Sanatan Dharma is a pluralistic faith.
Sanatan Dharma is for all time for people of that faith. Poeple have free choice to follow religion that suits ttem

 

[sanj007]

In Sanatan Dharma there are male and female forms of one god, which shows clear gender equality. Jai Mata ji, is said becuase to show us of Sanatan Dharmic faith of gender equality:

Rig Veda 3.31.1 : "The right is equal in the fathers property for both son and daughter."
The idea of equality was most forcibly expressed in the Rig Veda (Book 5, hymn 61. verse 8): The commentator explains this passage thus: "The wife and husband, being the equal halves of one substance, are equal in every respect; therefore both should join and take equal parts in all work, religious and secular."

Jai mata ji

 

[harcharanjitsinghdhillon]

dear members
sat sri akal.. revealations in sikhism are coming directly from god without the help of something in between. if the help of something is used then we drop in the category of the mind but not beyond.. but sikhism is beyond the mind. this is my oppinion. thanks and sat sri akal