Sikh Girls: A Confused Lot. Are Parents To Blame?

[rpsk_s]

Neutral Sikh Ji,

Please forgive me for saying that it seems to me that you are confused and there is a dire need to set your information right.

First, i will partially endorse your point by mentioning that it is not only the Sikhs, entire generation of all religions is going through a change. In fact in a bid to show their so called liberalism young boys and girls are taking the liberties and are drifting away from the teachings of their religions. Girls are just following the footsteps of boys. But, what we are talking about are the exceptions.

Now, coming back to our point. I know a lot of Sikh boys and girls who feel proud of being Sikh. They keep their rahat and maryada intact even while being in the company of others who take liberties of taking alcohol, cutting hair and so on. It is your own internal will power and faith that keeps you going without getting dirty (You know a Lotus flower doesn't loose its identity even being in a dirty pond).

Singh ji, look for a good company of like minded people and you will find all positive vibes flowing around you. Black sheeps are always there but let's ignore them and leave them at their own peril.

Please don't take me wrong if i put forward some facts. I am an IT professional, have worked for various companies and have remained in the company of all sorts of people including those who will drink heavily, at any time of the day and at any given opportunity, will eat non-veg like beasts. I have always been a good company to them with my coke and green salad and there is a long list of friends (personal and professional) who in fact respect me because of my principals. I have never lost or missed an opportunity because of my rahat and maryada.

A humble request - Just clean your glasses and have a fresh look at the world. Let me tell you that the sikh girls are much more prudent and practical than we think they are. They are in fact the ones who have grown up to become good sikh mothers and trust me this will be true for this generations as well. Just ignore the exceptions (the black sheep). Each one of us have to vow that we will not follow these black sheep and make a herd with them.

Guru Fateh !

 

[spnadmin]

"A humble request - Just clean your glasses and have a fresh look at the world. Let me tell you that the Sikh girls are much more prudent and practical than we think they are. They are in fact the ones who have grown up to become good Sikh mothers and trust me this will be true for this generations as well. Just ignore the exceptions (the black sheep). Each one of us have to vow that we will not follow these black sheep and make a herd with them."

rpsk_s ji

Thanks -- Kaurs deserve to hear your words. Your words are true and words of truth are words of support.
Guru Fateh !

 

[Archived_Member5]

I live in an area of affluent Sikh families, and yes they have worked hard for the last thirty years, saved each penny, and live in grand houses and drive Mercedes or Bentleys as the norm. As Nanak sayeth ‘’ The blessed reap the fruits of their toil, and in their remaining piety are given respect and standing amongst their communities. Those not are incensed and fall victim to the sin of covetousness and envy.

The richest individuals I feel are they who without compromise to their identity flourish economically, culturally and contribute to communal cohesion, the peacemakers. In a time of radical upheaval those courageous souls able to offer support and assistance to others above maintaining the peace in their own homes are the truly rich and should be blessed and rewarded

Sikhi is doing exceedingly well. As examples of Omar and Brunei, two nations ruled by strong leadership, faith, culture and civilisation are immensely prosperous and as peaceable, this is a testimony that Sikhs as well as all societies of honour are able to be immensely rich and no less the sociable, humble and pious for it.

As for hedonism, being steeped in a culture one is proud of whether it is Sikhism or the City culture, offspring raised by strong minded parentage are able to not only dwell but prosper with no conflict of interests at all whether visiting rural Punjab, city life or devout temple culturalism. Adaptation ensures survival of races.

Free will is afforded to children with morality, a sense of self respect and understanding. Armed with these treasures daughters are allowed foreign holidays, evenings out dining and lunching with friends without compromise to dignity, standing or proprietary. ‘’Aap ke haath me hain aapki eezat, aapke sir par khud likte hain aapki keemat’’ each individual by their conduct and principles places upon their own head their own value or lack, and their honour and integrity by their actions and immunity to falling prey to temptation and perverse peer pressure. A child who listens is accorded as much freedom as their good sense and judgment incrementally allows. ‘’Sikh^an di mutt uchi munn neema’’ A proud mother ...

 

[Archived_Member5]

We place a greater emphasis on girls to perform as woman has the power to create a haven in her home, or a hell. With intelligent and tactile reasoning she becomes the unifying peacemaker abridging generations, extended families and in law – parental relationships. The love and support of a good woman is akin to a great treasure, a gem, this is why greater importance is placed upon them, and Mothers raise the sons of tomorrow, and are the partners and daughter who uphold their father’s good name. Fathers, husbands and sons perform better for the love and assistance of devoted ladies in their home

{The demon of typography is afflciting me again today on this forum, my text has been downsized, what to do, and I a failed computer specialist...!}

 

[spnadmin]

A child who listens is accorded as much freedom as their good sense and judgment incrementally allows. A proud mother ...

This makes sense. It teaches responsibility and maturity. Wish this were the rule in life and not the exception. :happy:

 

[seeker3k]

Recently i have come to realise that many sikh girls like myself face too many personal battles.

I believe i have been bought up in quite a tradtional family. Tradtional being the operative word. I am talking generally now, but so many of the third generation have no clue about Sikhism.

I have many muslim and hindu friends, and they have been taught about their religion by their parents. In any predicament or situation, my muslim friends know what is right and wrong. This is not simply what their parent have told them is right and wrong but because they know from a religious standpoint.

Take for example the case of alcohol. Muslims know that they should not drink, it is wrong in their religion. Wheras myself and many of my Sikh friends and family are simply told girls don't drink. But our brothers and fathers go out drinking and come back drunk. What does this show us.

In Sikh families tradtion meanS that girls have so many more pressures than boys. Take again for example drinking alcohol, boys will go out with their friends and have a good time.If girls do the same thing they are more likely to be ridden with guilt. The words of their parents will echoin their heads. But shouldn't it be the words of Sikhism, that drinking is wrong. Many of hindu friends are know that they shouldn't drink, this is because their parents have taught them it is wrong and have led by example. Some of my hindu frinds do drink, but in each case their parents are aware, and they are encouraged to move away from the habit. Muslim girls are aware that their religion teaches not to drink and they don't.

Think about sikh weddings, it is a religious ceremony. But straight after everybody heads off to the party where there is alcohol galore. So what does that teach us? I simply do not get it. Isn't alcohol against sikhism..why have it on a wedding... a religious union? I understand why Christains have alchocol at weddings.. because it isn't againt Christianity. Mulisms don't need alcohol to celebrate.... so many Sikh men just drink, and show themselves up.

How many Sikh children know what the five K's mean?? I bet less than half the UK population of Sikh Children are aware. How many children know what Vaishaki means? To many it means a fun trip to the mela, and a fun walk with free food. Yes but ask muslim childen about ramadan or why they are fasting and they will tell you.

Many of the Sikhs of my generation are louts. They like the glory of their religion. You will see so many young people supporting khanda but not because they are proud of their relgion but because they look cool!!!

The gurdwara is another thing that grates me. How many young people actually listen. There are mobiles going off, children running around, old ladies bantering and gossiping. Pleas for money. Its like a playground. You don't get that in a mosque or church. People know what they are there for.

I mean why do we have to place money and then bow down when we go to the gurdwara? I don't undertstand. It is a silly concept with no meaning (money not bowing). When we go to the gurdwara to pray, that is what should matter. There is no place for a money box in the gurdwara... i resent bowing infront of it. What is the significace??People should make a contribution elsewhere.

Also in Sikhism thier should be no idols. But why are there so many picturs, and statues? How do we know what Guru Nanak Dev Ji looked like or any of the other gurus. Why do we have picturs of them in the gurdwara? Isn't it against the teachings????

On many occassions Sikh parents let thier sons cut their hair.... but their daughters are expected to keep it long. At a young age, i thought that the only rason girls didn't cut thier hair was becasue it would make them look like ummm 'bad girls!' We wern't actually told that Sikhs aren't supposed to tamper with thier bodies. Even if we were told this i guess we still would have been confused because we would question why does my father or brother have short hair?!!!

Sikhs in this country are confused. I forsee many of my generation moving away from a this religion because we just don't get it!!

Greeting Neutral Singh,
First of all I wish to thank you for bringing this problem to light.
As a male on the behalf of males I am really ashamed. All the people replied to this problem made excuses but no apology about men, boy’s behavior. It is ironic that women also discriminate against their daughters. They them self are women but still treat their son better then their daughter.
This Baljeet Singh said it very intelligently: Sikhism today is again passing through a test. It must pass again with flying colors. All those whom you see around are weak Sikhs. They will and should just disappear from the Sikh community. Ironically, it is better for the Sikhi future. Only those who have the courage will remain "true" Sikhs.
Lets not address the problem, but condemn other people who are week.He still did not get it what the problem is.

Aman Singh blame it on the Punjabi culture. Not the Sikhs religion. It is the people who make up the religion. If the majority in Punjab are Sikhs then it have to be religion issue. Maybe he is putting the blame on Hinus, it is them who are trying to corrupt Sikhs youth
It was problem in Christian and jews. Christian changed with time Jews changed some what. Muslim still have problem. Here is example: If girl get raped. It is very hard to have her complaint heard at the poloce. Becouse she must have a man who has to be non related to girl as a witness. Now the girl should ask her raper to hold on so she can get non related man as a witness. If that is not crazy then what is?
Hindus have so many rituals that degrade women and they also have many good ritual that honor women. Look around how many women gods are there being worshiped by men also.
I am over 60. I Was born in Punjab. Moved to Uk. Now in Canada since 1971.
When I look back to my youth, I am ashamed of my self. When I lived in Southall I was living among our own people. There was no real close white friends. So I had same attitude as I had in India. Bad,Bad. It was in Canada that really opened my eyes and heart. That there is a world beyond Sikhism. I am not condemning Sikhism but it is what these so called Sikhs are doing that bother me. Their teaching, preaching that is turning people against people. Manas jat ek pehchon. This is only for the reading not to be followed. Manas jat include hindus muslim Christian and all people with out exemption. When one belive that his/her religion is supreme, he/she start to hate others.
It is the ruling group of Sikhs have to change so people can change. Why woman cant read path and do the kirtan in Harmander Sahib? Why there is never a women in the 5 pyare when there is amrit pan. I amy be wrong in this but I have not seen any woman doing it. It was same and still is in Christian Catholic religion. Butpeople broke away and made their own group. It was same for the Gays. You are right about the money in front of Guru Granth. It really look like we are bowing down to money golak.
As a boy one is very happy and proud that he got girl-friend. He will tell his friends about his GF. But if his sis have a BF all hell brake loose. Why? He forget that his Gf is also some one’s sister.
Where is the blame? I think it is more on parent then child but, When child is grown up to be youth, then it is up to the youth to make a change in her life. It is not healthy to keep blaming parent society for the rest of the life.
When we want to buy a car we ask professionals about which car is best. Same when we want to buy house. Because there is lot of money we are investing in it. How come we don’t think when we adopt religion? We just accept it with out studying about it. This is what happens when we choose with out any investigation. If any religion preach hatred then why join in? One do not to be in religion to be spiritual.All the religion are made by men not women. If thinking rationally logically is week then I am glad that I am week. These people just want you and me to save tgeir way of life and they will fight till hell freeze over. Beware of these power hungry and greedy arrogant men and some women.

We can not understand others if we have hatred in our heart.

 

[spnadmin]

seeker3k ji

Everyday I fight against the negative emotions in my own heart. It is a struggle. Thankx.

 

[kds1980]

All the religion are made by men not women.

All socities are also made by men all countries are also made by men

How come we don’t think when we adopt religion? We just accept it with out studying about it. This is what happens when we choose with out any investigation.
If thinking rationally logically is week then I am glad that I am week. These people just want you and me to save tgeir way of life and they will fight till hell freeze over. Beware of these power hungry and greedy arrogant men and some women.

Seeker 3k ji

It looks like you are hardcore anti religion person.BTW Humans have already divided this world into nearly 200 countries do you think its is because of religion? Anyway sikhs In India also do lot of social work.There are many schools funded by sikhs in which many
non sikh children studies many poor people Eat food provided in langar.But today It looks to me That bashing religion is among one of the fashion of so called rational thinkers people

 

[seeker3k]

All socities are also made by men all countries are also made by men



Seeker 3k ji

It looks like you are hardcore anti religion person.BTW Humans have already divided this world into nearly 200 countries do you think its is because of religion? Anyway sikhs In India also do lot of social work.There are many schools funded by sikhs in which many
non sikh children studies many poor people Eat food provided in langar.But today It looks to me That bashing religion is among one of the fashion of so called rational thinkers people

I respect the person who point out my faults. I don’t bash him. Only a true friend can point out fault in friend. All I am saying that the people who run the Sikhism are making mockery of great religion. If I am bashing religion, then did Nanak bashed religions too? Seems to me he pointed out their faults and now we are doing the same fault what Nanak condemned. All I see here and every other site or papers, every one is condemning the Hinduism. Don’t get the wrong idea that I maybe Hindu, I am not.

Let’s look at your accusation you made. I did not get what is BTW?
According to you humans already have divided the world into 200 countries. If the Sikhs have it their ways it will be 201 or maybe 202. One for the real Sikhs and others is for the week Sikhs. What are the real Sikhs asking Khalistan, will it not be on the religion too?. Look at the Pakistan, is it not on the religion based? What about Israel?

Doing social work:
Doing social work: on say there are many schools funded by Sikhs where non Sikhs are getting education. You maybe right on the schools but is the education free for the people who can not afford the fee? No it is not. It cost more then the government schools. In the government school there is no fee for the poor children. There was a case where college refused the entry to one Sikh student who was not amrat dhari Sikh ( week sikh) Is that right thing to do? That case went to court and now the SGPC or other Sikh society has to prove who Sikh is. The person who tries to define who Sikh is was fired. Do you know the definition of Sikh? Maybe you are not aware of it.
Langar? I have seen in Amirtsar and Delhi main gurdwaras the guards in front of these gurdwaras do not let poor people go in to eat langar even though they are poor. In the democratic western countries the government pay money as well fare to poor people and there is no condition on them to worship president or any other government officials.
In religion we are told if we commit sin we will go to hell and suffer. Now compare with the democratic countries, if we harm some one we get charged and found guilty we will be punished by fine or jail. Going to hell is after we die which no one know if there is hell or not. According to religion there are heaven and hell for each religion or worst yet there is only one heaven that’s where they are going and others will be in hell. Who do you think have the key to heaven? I am sure it is not Sikhism because it is new religion. The older religion will not give up their claim on heaven/lol.
Look at the Muslim and Christians they both respect their heritage. What I mean is that Muslim and Christian respect their fore fathers all the way back to Adam. Sikhism is the only religion that condemns their fore fathers. If do not respect our fore fathers, I am sure we will not be respected by next generation. You chose my friend. If reading Bani the hated is not gone from your heart then what will?

 

[pk70]

I respect the person who point out my faults. I don’t bash him. Only a true friend can point out fault in friend. All I am saying that the people who run the Sikhism are making mockery of great religion. If I am bashing religion, then did Nanak bashed religions too? Seems to me he pointed out their faults and now we are doing the same fault what Nanak condemned. All I see here and every other site or papers, every one is condemning the Hinduism. Don’t get the wrong idea that I maybe Hindu, I am not.

Let’s look at your accusation you made. I did not get what is BTW?
According to you humans already have divided the world into 200 countries. If the Sikhs have it their ways it will be 201 or maybe 202. One for the real Sikhs and others is for the week Sikhs. What are the real Sikhs asking Khalistan, will it not be on the religion too?. Look at the Pakistan, is it not on the religion based? What about Israel?

Doing social work:
Doing social work: on say there are many schools funded by Sikhs where non Sikhs are getting education. You maybe right on the schools but is the education free for the people who can not afford the fee? No it is not. It cost more then the government schools. In the government school there is no fee for the poor children. There was a case where college refused the entry to one Sikh student who was not amrat dhari Sikh ( week sikh) Is that right thing to do? That case went to court and now the SGPC or other Sikh society has to prove who Sikh is. The person who tries to define who Sikh is was fired. Do you know the definition of Sikh? Maybe you are not aware of it.
Langar? I have seen in Amirtsar and Delhi main gurdwaras the guards in front of these gurdwaras do not let poor people go in to eat langar even though they are poor. In the democratic western countries the government pay money as well fare to poor people and there is no condition on them to worship president or any other government officials.
In religion we are told if we commit sin we will go to hell and suffer. Now compare with the democratic countries, if we harm some one we get charged and found guilty we will be punished by fine or jail. Going to hell is after we die which no one know if there is hell or not. According to religion there are heaven and hell for each religion or worst yet there is only one heaven that’s where they are going and others will be in hell. Who do you think have the key to heaven? I am sure it is not Sikhism because it is new religion. The older religion will not give up their claim on heaven/lol.
Look at the Muslim and Christians they both respect their heritage. What I mean is that Muslim and Christian respect their fore fathers all the way back to Adam. Sikhism is the only religion that condemns their fore fathers. If do not respect our fore fathers, I am sure we will not be respected by next generation. You chose my friend. If reading Bani the hated is not gone from your heart then what will?

I have just one question for you?
In a lab, teacher teaches how to perform a practical as per given instructions, if a student fails to follow the instructions, how any can blame “the science project”?
Aren’t the religions you show your frustration on? Actually it is the followers that should earn this blame.
Karl Marx gave a concept of taking the society to its peak without religion, what happened to that, it was abused by the so called promoter of it- Stalin. Eric Fromm kept crying about the faulty melodrama of communism, devoted rightists and leftists kept playing the hiding game. Humans are prone to go astray due to surge of primal forces; religions just show the mirror and way out to keep alive dignity, ethics and morality to the corrupt minds. As Karl Max was used in individual needs, religions are also victims of same behavior.
Education starts at home just as they say charity becomes at home.

 

[kds1980]

Let’s look at your accusation you made. I did not get what is BTW?

Sorry BTW is By the way

All I am saying that the people who run the Sikhism are making mockery of great religion

Its true that people who run sikhism are making mockery of it but main fault lies with the common sikh.How many of us participate in Gurdwara activities,How many choose to do sewa of community instead of high paying career?Most of the sikhs think that by donating money to Gurdwara there responsibility is over so its obvious that corruupt and and bad people will take over Gurdwara's because there is lot of money in it and a corrupt or bad person just chases money and could do anything for it.

All I see here and every other site or papers, every one is condemning the Hinduism. Don’t get the wrong idea that I maybe Hindu, I am not.

I know this is a problem but there are some here who attacks islam and are pro hindu
sanatan sikhs.Btw on some other site someone blamed me too As RSS agent.

Doing social work: on say there are many schools funded by Sikhs where non Sikhs are getting education. You maybe right on the schools but is the education free for the people who can not afford the fee? No it is not

Giving good quality education at charging nominal fees is not wrong.Giving free education looks very good idea but the fact is India lacks good quality teachers which are willing to work at not so high salary.So Its really difficuilt to provide good quality education free.

No it is not. It cost more then the government schools. In the government school there is no fee for the poor children

Just talk to any person and ask him what kind of goverment education is available in small towns and villages.Except the high fi cities of India the condition of government education is very poor Sometimes children don't even know how to write their names still they are promoted to grade 5 or 6.It is one of the reason that many people pulls out their children of school in village's or just come to big cities.

There was a case where college refused the entry to one Sikh student who was not amrat dhari Sikh ( week Sikh) Is that right thing to do?

That was just a single case by a particular instituion .If its funded by an orthodox sect then
They could make their rule.Personally I think its wrong.

I have seen in Amirtsar and Delhi main gurdwaras the guards in front of these gurdwaras do not let poor people go in to eat langar even though they are poor

I live in NCr town of Delhi Yes its true that sometime's gurdwara sewadaars yell or don't allow poors but still if you go any time in Gurdwara's bangla sahib you will find more than 50% people who are eating langar's are poor people.There is no condition on them to
worship or embarce sikhism.

In the democratic western countries the government pay money as well fare to poor people and there is no condition on them to worship president or any other government officials.

Please don't compare situation of developed countries with overpopulated developing countries like India.

In religion we are told if we commit sin we will go to hell and suffer. Now compare with the democratic countries, if we harm some one we get charged and found guilty we will be punished by fine or jail. Going to hell is after we die which no one know if there is hell or not. According to religion there are heaven and hell for each religion or worst yet there is only one heaven that’s where they are going and others will be in hell. Who do you think have the key to heaven? I am sure it is not Sikhism because it is new religion. The older religion will not give up their claim on heaven/lol.

In sikhism we don't beleive in permanent heaven or hell.Majority of sikhs beleive in karma
and then geting another life according to your deeds until you get merged with waheguru

Look at the Muslim and Christians they both respect their heritage. What I mean is that Muslim and Christian respect their fore fathers all the way back to Adam. Sikhism is the only religion that condemns their fore fathers. If do not respect our fore fathers,

I don't get your point here how sikhs don't respect their forefathers?

 

[seeker3k]

You are right it is student who is wrong, but if the teacher is in class or alive to be consulted then the mistake can be corrected. In the case of all religions all the teachers are dead. In our case Sikhs keep believing that Granth is alive. The writing in the Granth is in many languages. One have to learn all those languages to understand the message.
It is basic common sense that do not harm any live. How hard is it to understand this? Treat others as you want to be treated, but do it first. The democratic system may not be the best system but no government asks you to worship its leader to get any thing.
Does God want us to worship him/her? If so then God is egoistic maniac nothing more. We cant see beyond our nose. We can keep on blaming others but it is time to blame our self. Sure there are going to be people who are going to exploit people. Why are you concern about Stalin why not look in Sikhism and correct it. Change comes from with in. What the Sikhs are doing is forcing others to change. Every thing is with in us as it is said in all holy books. Why are we looking peach out side? These religious leaders are in to power and money. If you still want to follow them then it is your choice. Nanak must be turning over in greave. Why are we insulting Nanak?
The answer to all the questions are in you?

 

[pk70]

You are right it is student who is wrong, but if the teacher is in class or alive to be consulted then the mistake can be corrected.
If teacher doesn’t under stand, still the “science project” shouldn’t be blamed.
In the case of all religions all the teachers are dead. In our case Sikhs keep believing that Granth is alive.
Every day millions people in military solute to the flag of their respective countries, do they solute the piece of cloth? Is that piece of cloth is alive?
The writing in the Granth is in many languages. One have to learn all those languages to understand the message.
Have you checked out the world? You are using a word “all”, no rational human being can conclude that. There are real nice religious people in the world in all religions, I myself met many and they were better than you and me. Why better than you? They are not into misery of condemning others by taking this or that issue (and keep slipping), why better than me? I know my limitations and I admit them.
It is basic common sense that do not harm any live. How hard is it to understand this?

Which one is the religion that advocates contrary to that? Now please refrain from giving out of context incorrect interpretation by a lunatics

Treat others as you want to be treated, but do it first. The democratic system may not be the best system but no government asks you to worship its leader to get any thing.
Who questioned democratic system, where is the focus?
Does God want us to worship him/her? If so then God is egoistic maniac nothing more.

For self conceited person who thinks his thinking is fair and accurate, it may be right but who has fallen for Him, praising Him is their every day glucose, you cannot speak of others experience in this regard, you don’t have O.K, you don’t believe, its fine.
We cant see beyond our nose. We can keep on blaming others but it is time to blame our self.
Blaming religions all the time, especially Sikhism as per your posts is also called blaming game; difference is this we see what others do but not what we do
Sure there are going to be people who are going to exploit people. Why are you concern about Stalin
You didn’t get it, I didn’t hope that either but I tried, In simple words, Stalin was mentioned to make you aware that good philosophies are also exploited( in that religion has no place) Sorry you couldn’t understand what I wrote after Stalin. You see how one gets stuck and keep repeating the old music
why not look in Sikhism and correct it. Change comes from with in. What the Sikhs are doing is forcing others to change. Every thing is with in us as it is said in all holy books.
How you can correct it? Cursing God?

Why are we looking peach out side? These religious leaders are in to power and money.
That is the problem
If you still want to follow them then it is your choice. Nanak must be turning over in greave. Why are we insulting Nanak?
Guru Nanak says God loves His devotion, you call Him “egoistic maniac”, who is insulting Guru Nanak? Don’t try to claim what you are not, just be honest and stick to it. If I had views like of yours, I wouldn’t even think of correcting Sikhism or any religion
The answer to all the questions are in you?
No, you have proved again, you are into blaming game period.. Reread your statement above, it says all very explicitly.

 

[kds1980]

The democratic system may not be the best system but no government asks you to worship its leader to get any thing.

I beg to differ on this point.All countries inject a sense of pride in children.Singing national anthom is compulsory.In other words all countries ask their citizens To worship their motherland.

 

[FiveLovedOnes]

Why girls alone r confused.Why to blame parents alone.Whole world is confused.Tell me how many really live lifestyle as per Waheguru dictates......

Naam Binah Sab jag Kamla firah----Without Naam whole world is in confused state n r lost in meterialistic world.

Aaath Pahar araadiyah Puran Satgur Gyan--Sing praises of Waheguru n recite his true Naam n true gyan will enter one's mind n all confusion will elope.Devote your mind complete to Guru n Guru himself will pick u up n elope all ur confusion...trust Guru beyond anything else.....Guru is all powerful n all capable.Even the fools n ignorant r turned into lotus by his kind sight.

Sing praises of Waheguru days n nights n not just during day time.Most people ignore night n sleep long....Without beautiful beloved Guru 's love n lotus feet how a sikh sleeps long hours ...:yes: when guru himself has mentioned million times that a true sikh sing bani n recites Naam all time,both day n night.....Those who disobey Guru r left in a state of confusion n puran gyan never comes to them....Whole world is confused without truely following Guru ji......

 

[spnadmin]

Why girls alone r confused.Why to blame parents alone.Whole world is confused.Tell me how many really live lifestyle as per Waheguru dictates......

Naam Binah Sab jag Kamla firah----Without Naam whole world is in confused state n r lost in meterialistic world.

Aaath Pahar araadiyah Puran Satgur Gyan--Sing praises of Waheguru n recite his true Naam n true gyan will enter one's mind n all confusion will elope.Devote your mind complete to Guru n Guru himself will pick u up n elope all ur confusion...trust Guru beyond anything else.....Guru is all powerful n all capable.Even the fools n ignorant r turned into lotus by his kind sight.

Sing praises of Waheguru days n nights n not just during day time.Most people ignore night n sleep long....Without beautiful beloved Guru 's love n lotus feet how a sikh sleeps long hours ...:yes: when guru himself has mentioned million times that a true sikh sing bani n recites Naam all time,both day n night.....Those who disobey Guru r left in a state of confusion n puran gyan never comes to them....Whole world is confused without truely following Guru ji......

This is what I was trying to say a few pages back. Thank you.

 

[seeker3k]

How do one recite naam in sleep?

 

[spnadmin]

Seekr3k ji

Fair question I think FiveLovedOnes meant that sometimes people sleep too much and instead would be better reciting naam instead of sleeping. The reason I say this: in the past FiveLovedOnes had made this point more clearly perhaps than just 2 posts above. When you read posts by the same people every day for 2 years you kind of know what they mean just from long acquaintance. But FiveLovedOnes can explain better than I just did. Thank you.

 

[pk70]

How do one recite naam in sleep?

Have you ever heard about metaphoric expression?
When one dreams about some one and says “I keep calling you in my dream” It doesn’t mean necessarily one calls loudly the person in the dream”.
Same way when one’s mind dreams all about the Creator, He is remembered in asleep in a metaphoric way, it means to have attention set on Him only all the time. It is a spiritual experience, ordinary persons like you and I just cannot dream to have that state of mind.

 

[seeker3k]

I did not understand what you said. You said recite day and nite. Is that mean you have no other thoughts ever? If that is so then how can you read this and reply? You said people like me, So you like to judge people?
Have you heard LUCID dream? Do you know how to control dream? Can one's mind think of one thought 24 hours?