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Reincarnation

Gyani Jarnail Singh

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Kaee "JANAM....is NOT about YOURS or MINE..Janams..at all...
You and ME..the ONe and ONLY "JANAM" we shoudl be concerned about is THIS ONE...GOBIND MILAN KEE EH TERI BARREAH..no more chances..mate..just this ONE.

The other Janams..the keets, the patangs, the mountains..the elphants..the dogs..all are THERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU AND ME....and they are NOT ME or YOU..they are just those OTHER JANAMS.."Janam means BIRTH....the "birth" of a DOG..is Janam..kutta janam...the birth of a moth is Janam of keet patanga... simple...but we read between the lines and jump to conclusions... ALL thsoe other "births' will not have/or have...?? chance to meet waheguru..no idea..BUT as a Janam..BIRTH of HUMAN..Gurbani is very very very very clear...:happy:
 

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We should only follow what we understand well. Blind faith has no place in sikhi. We are the students and Guru teaches us every thing. Sikhi is a way of life. As far as you understand how you have to live your present, past and future will be taken care of itself. Where the soul came from and where it'll go.....When time will come guru will teach you!
Every thing mentioned in gurubani is correct, its just a matter of time we require to understand it.So have patience , keep reading more and more gurbani and do ardas you will be shown the true path.
 

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Dear Khalsa Ji,

Virinder Singh Ji has very effectively brought forth the review on the idea of Reincarnation. It is a substantial effort and a great contribution to this forum. I liked it a lot and here I send in my contribution to the lovely effort that Virinder Singh Ji has made. I thank Virinder Singh Ji for triggering me to consolidate my understanding and post it here. I share with you all what I have understood.

The subject of Reincarnation does not allow itself to be understood fully using our mental capabilities. Yet as humans, we do try to understand it. In my attempt to understand the idea of Reincarnation, I had to answer lot of question that came to my mind. I had to create my own hypothesizes and concepts before I could integrate them into my understanding to form my views on the Idea of Reincarnation. The text that follows conveys my understanding.

Please Note: I had to create my own concept to continue with my studies. Readers need not accept this as the ultimate understanding; my own understanding my change as I progress with my learning and as ‘The Sat’ teaches me. Readers may create for their own understanding their own concepts.

After studying the scripture and mental deliberation over a long time, I have come to conceptualize the essence of creation as ‘Intelligent Cosmic Energy. To me, this is, what Guru Sahib has named as ‘The Sat’ (Sat Naam) in the ‘Mool Mantra’. As we know energy cannot be created or destroyed, by implication it means that it existed on its own (Saibhang)and thus it was never born (Ajuni); and cannot die as energy cannot be destroyed; it is timeless (Akaal Murat). It is one single entity every where (Ek Ongkar). Being the essence of all that exists, it is the intelligent driving force in each of the forms (Karta Purakh) that are or will be in creation; it has no enmity (Nirvair) towards any one or fear (Nirbhau) of any one.

This way I have validated my concept of ‘The Sat’ using the ‘Mool Mantra’ of Siri Guru Granth Sahib.


Now I come to the term Soul.

We are living entity, the presence of Soul differentiate us from dead and insentient entities. Scripture of the land says that this Soul is a driving force within us. Since Karta Purakh is the real doer, the Soul within us has to be Karta Purakh i.e. Parmatma who is present every where. This way ‘Atman’ (Soul) and ‘Parmatman’ (The Sat’) are one and the same. It is for this reason; Guru Sahib has said that ‘The Sat’ is within each one of us. Since ‘The Sat’ is independent of time so will be the Soul, as both are one and the same.

Now I come to my idea/concept/hypotheses about Creation.

We all know that energy can change forms – e.g. heat can become light, kinetic energy can become heat and so on … We also know that energy can get converted into matter and vice versa. Now I come to another of my hypothesis/concept i.e.

Intelligent Cosmic Energy prevailing all over the creation gets concentrated at some places and become matter of different types. This is what is said to be the ‘Prakriti’ i.e. insentient part of creation. At place where the Intelligent Cosmic Energy that was getting transformed from energy to matter, as explain above, retained the Intelligent Cosmic Energy in it, as the energy needed for the matter to be formed was higher than needed. This retained Intelligent Cosmic Energy provided the driving force that gave this primitive matter its ability to reproduce and grow. That is how, to me, it appears that primitive for of life came into being. This process fueled by Intelligent Cosmic Energy is in operation ever since then, creating new form of life and evolving further the existing ones.

I quote the sentences from Siri Guru Granth Sahib which Virinder Singh Ji have included in his post.

1. “Kayee Janam Bha-ay Keett Patangaa, Kayee Janam Meen Kurangaa, Kayee Janam Pankhee Sarap Hooeyoo, Kayee Janam Haivar Birkh Jooeyoo, Mil Jagdeesh Milan Kee Baree-aa, Chirankaal Eh Deh Sanjaree-aa, Kayee Janam Sail Gir Kariaa, Kayee Janam Garabh Hir Khariaa, Kayee Janam Saakh Kar Oupaaey-aa, Lakh Chauraasee Joan Bharmaaey-aa, Saadh Sung Bhaeo Janam Praapat, Kar Seva Bhaj Har Har Gurmat.



In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect. In so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer. In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake. In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse. Meet the God of the Universe. Now is the time to meet Master. After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you. In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains; in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb. In so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves. You wandered through 8.4 million incarnations. Through the Sadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life. Do seva, selfless service and vibrate the Name of Eternal Akal Purkh -----Guru Arjan, Raag Gauri Guareri, AGGS, Page, 176”

Guru Sahib knew all. He is perfectly rational in what he has said. I was so as he has said. Since ‘The Sat’ existed so I i.e. the soul too existed, is existing and will be existing, as the ‘Atman and Parmatman are one and the same (as explained above). Today also I am composed of elements and insentient matter elements, compounds and minerals which came to me from different parts of the creation; that was me earlier and because of the Intelligent Cosmic Energy in me I am alive and a sentient being.

Now I come to my idea of Reincarnation.

Guru Sahib has very clearly said that because of the desires we have to come again and again to this world and enter the cycle of births and death. He has also said that to get win over this cycle of birth and death we have to dissolve our ‘Ahamkara i.e. Ego’. This provide me the clue and the results of my mental deliberation I share with you below.

For living we need to eat, which provides us with energy. When we think we consume energy and the output of this mental exercise are thoughts. Since the input to this process was energy and we know that energy cannot be created or destroyed but can change form, and input to the mental process was energy so the output i.e. thought also must be some form of energy. Since energy cannot be destroyed, all the thoughts that got created ever since sentient being came into this world must be around hanging in air, only those thoughts that got realized disappeared from the environment because they change form – they became material reality; all the rest are around us.

Guru Sahib has asked us to offer prayers collectively in Gurdwaras. There is rational to it. When large number of people express the same desire, the thought gains strength, as similar thoughts coalesce and add to its strength, the reverse also is true; opposing thoughts on the same issue negate each other and reduce its strength.

I am also convinced that an individual’s thought remain bunched. The glue for this bunching is the sense of ‘I –ness’ - Ahamkara i.e. Ego. These thoughts are some total of our desires; they remain in the air and their link with the individual is through her or his ‘I –ness’. For thoughts this ‘I –ness’ is what postal address is for letter. Guru Sahib has said that the Karmas get dissolved for the person who has risen above ‘I –ness’; whose Ahamkara i.e. Ego has been won. The truth of Guru Sahibs teaching is clear to me, the person who has no ‘I –ness’ has no address for the Karmic process to reach her or him to deliver the impact of her or his past Karmas, this way the past karma becomes equivalent to the roasted seed which cannot produce a new plant.

All this is to convey how the person’s desires and Karmas which are also in thought form remain bunched as they all carry the same tag of I –ness’; this bunch exist in air independent of her or his body tagged to what the Intelligent Cosmic Energy or Soul.

When the person dies, this bunch of Desires and Karmas searches for a new body where they can get satisfied and the Soul brings that new body into a state of consciousness which reflects the tendencies and attributes of the past lives. This way the being of the person ‘Reincarnates’ and getsinto a new body i.e. a new form.

When the person has over come her or his I –ness’ - Ahamkara i.e. Ego as asked by Guru Sahib the person has reach the state of what the scripture of the land refer to as Nirvana. When the person dies in this state the soul has no compulsion; it does not seek any new body. The embodied Soul merges with ‘The Sat’ as it was before embodiment. This is Moksha, the person had met Gobind, ‘The Sat’

With this I close.

With love and respect for all.

Amarpal Singh
 

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Your reply fascinates me :cool: So now say more so we can enjoy your understanding of the issues and also appreciate your wit. The topic of reincarnation does not have to be discussed in an atmosphere of gloom and without a slice of sharp analysis now and again. Thanks.
 

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wat can i say i mean by reading all veiws i think everybody is right from their point of veiw :up::rofl: well i do belive in recarniation we get this chance to be human after going through 84 lakh "joon" and if we dont do live up to wat it says in Guru Granth Sahib Je then we start this cycle again and if we r doing the right thing then we rest in peace up in the heavon


lol i no i sound childish.. im only 15 u no i cant use these big words ;) :whisling:
 

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You don't sound like you are 15 at all. What are you going to do with that big brain? Never let it rust. Just the fact that you posted the emoticon of the two fencing emoticons shows you can see that the topic of reincarnation is rich for discussion. :thumbup:
 

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Dear reincarnation is one of there and been told by guruji in bani also its not the story that any body could change and its not add by hindusim it is a similarity betten the hindusim and sikhsim of reincarnation.I would ask you one quest think over it
Say one child was born in rich family and at the same time other born in poor family
After 1 min of there birth time the one who was born in rich family is already become millonare without doing any think
The other child who was born in poor family was still poor
You will say its luck
But who decide what kind of luck you will born with????????????????????????
Its you previous birth karma
 
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I've been reading a great amount of threads on here about this reincarnation topic and its seems like, for the most part and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, that there are 2 general camps. Those who accept the general theory of karma and reincarnation, and those who seem to completely obect to both. I've read in a couple of places (please don't ask me to find quotes from people as I've been reading all day now and my brain is a tad fried, that and I've jumped around to so many different websites and thread etc that I can't remember everything) that some of the people that reject karma and reincarnation say that we only go around once and that this is the only chance. I've read others who also say that they don't believe in reincarnation say that no matter what we're going to merge into God or disapear into oblivion.

My question is what happens to those people who do countless evil things like rapeing people and swindleing, killing children, being extremley prideful and violent etc and never acknowledge that what they do is wrong and never ask for forgiveness or accept their faults. When they die, do they just simply 'pass into oblivion' and never have to answer for their wickedness? I know God will forgive all for anything but what about people who do evil and never ask for forgiveness. I understand that God is not some cruel vengeful entity thats waiting to condemn everyone for every tiny wrong they comit. I accept that my knowledge of Sikh Dharma is sub-par at best especially compared to most of the members of this forum but in my personal opinon there has to be some sort of negative effect as a result of constant negitive actions in the next life. I've heard people talk about heaven and hell being on this planet, I understand where they're coming from and agree but shouldn't there still be something of a negitive nature that happens to someone who commits evil all their life? For example I know there are many evil, corrupt people in high positions of power around the world who live in extreme comfort and are totally happy and content with their lives and as far as they are concerned are living in heaven. They live their lives in happiness at the expense of others and at no time submit to God or ask forgiveness or even care for forgivness . So what I'm asking is when they pass on are they really going to just dissapear into oblivion without having to attone for their wrong doings? And if so whats the insentive to try and live a moral and pious life if there are no reprocutions for your actions? It seems to me like Karma forces people to have to atone one way or another for their wrong doings and is part of the insentive (NOT ALL mind you only part) to do good and live piously.

I Don't know, my logic may be flawed as I am not a Gyanee nor am I a Gurmukh so please forgive me if I've missed something somewhere and please help me to fill in the gaps.

Sat Naam Saddh Sangat
 

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I tried to be brief. It never works out for me. Maybe later I will write more. But you are quite correct - there are two camps, perhaps 3, on the subject of reincarnation here at SPN.

1. The group that accepts the notion that the soul returns as part of the cycle of coming and going, life and death. The cycle takes the soul through many lifetimes, and the purpose is to pay off karmic debts and move toward higher levels of spirituality. I believe this represents the majority view in the Sikh panth.

This link gives a fine summary of the understanding of karma in Skhism - the mainstream view
http://www.gurbani.org/articles/webart40.htm

And another from the same site
http://www.gurbani.org/articles/webart181.htm

2. A group that rejects it and quotes Gurbani to show that there is only one opportunity to merge in the light of the Naam, one lifetime. One of the foremost proponents of this way of thinking was the late Dr. Baldev Singh who wrote a major article about karma and reincarnation for the Sikh Bulletin last year before he passed away.

This thread at SPN explores karma and reincarnation in the different light http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/essay...gurmatt-nankian-philosophy-totally-new-4.html

And the article referred to by Dr. Baldev Singh is attached. The discussion of karma and reincarnation is part of the general article on Guru Nanak's philosophy. Starts on page 33.

3. Possibly a 3rd group, which I belong to, accepts the idea of reincarnation. However not in the way that is typically presented: namely a system by which one has the opportunity to progress or evolve spirituality by settling scores coming from karma of past lives. Frankly I do not see how there is an ethical or moral component in most views of reincarnation, although the idea of repaying karmic debts is generally the way these theories propose. And I do believe that reincarnation, when understood as a means to evolve to new levels through the payment of karmic debts, contains reinforces the caste system, and was historically "given" to the people of India for just that reason.

If the thread doesn't go anywhere maybe I will come back and summarize what some of the perspectives have been here. I read every thread with new posts every day and can probably pick out some that are memorable, at least memorable to me.

I would go out on a limb and say this. Reincarnation is not a required belief or dogma in Sikhism, as it is in Buddhism. Challenging reincarnationn in Buddhism is grounds for being banned from e-sangha a huge and popular Buddhist forum. The shabads that discuss it can be understood to teach this idea, or to be teaching something quite different.
 

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What I don't understand with reincarnation is this... if we are all constantly being "recycled" then shouldn't the number of people and animals etc. stay more or less the same? Humans have constanty been growing in number, and the only way you could have more and more organisms on this earth is if more souls are being made... which just doesn't seem right to me.
 
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Here is a very good article by my enlightened friend G singh ( pk70 ) on his blog . Describes the whole concept in its entireity .

http://gursoch.blogspot.com/
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The concept of Incarnation in Gurbani
First of all, I must mention here that talking about the Creator bears no rationality. It is a personal belief. This belief leads to an experience which doesn’t need verification from those who turn hyper - rational while following rationality. In Sikhi, the concept of incarnation exists, and I shall prove it in detail with the help of Guru’s own words. I shall also share with you the expressions, used in Gurbani, that clearly express the concept of incarnation. We will also see if they are merely metaphors. If the concept of incarnation is taken away from Sikhi, as I have learned from studying Gurbani, the purpose of doing Naam - Simran and living detached from Maya appear hardly useful. Doubtlessly, Naam – Simran and remaining detached from Maya filth are basics of Sikhi; therefore, the concept of incarnation in Gurbani is a very important factor. There are many questions about some references given in Gurbani about “after - death” scenario; those can never be answered through rational approach. For instance, the statements as “nothing goes with the soul but His Name [595 SGGS, 1342 SGGS Mehla 1,” are repeatedly given in Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Because I have been a student of literature, I am very well aware of usage of metaphors. Most often, the thing that bothers me is that whenever people talk about “unique Nanakian – philosophy” [indeed it is], they forget one thing that to prove that uniqueness, distortion of Gurbani is not required to satisfy rational – world. To put in other words, we Sikhs, should never try to make numbers by declaring that Sikhi is a scientific religion. In a matter of fact, no religion can be scientific. Out there the people, who are trying to teach science from their religious scriptures, have failed to contribute anything of significance to science. Obviously, it becomes a joke if any person does so.
Distortion in Gurbani occurs when people use “Janam – Maran” as “stages of life.” Of course, there are some usages where “janam – Maran/taking birth, dying” indeed are used for zigzags of life which happen because of the frequent tides of joy and pains in life. In Gurbani, when there is a direct reference to the incarnation, it should be accepted as it is. Some hyper – rational people say that the talk about incarnation is there because Gurus and Bhagatas didn’t want to get into a controversy openly, so they used it as metaphors or references to established thoughts [It is totally laughable idea though]. I wonder what are they are thinking! In fact, all enlightened ones have been into controversy due to their different approach towards life than the rest of the population; History verifies it. It remains a fact that they have never shown fear while expressing their spiritual experience; we shall check that as well. Let us start with Guru Nanak Dev’s own words, on 752 SGGS Raag Suhee, Mehla 1

ਸੂਹੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਜਿਉ ਆਰਣਿ ਲੋਹਾ ਪਾਇ ਭੰਨਿ ਘੜਾਈਐ ॥ ਤਿਉ ਸਾਕਤੁ ਜੋਨੀ ਪਾਇ ਭਵੈ ਭਵਾਈਐ ॥੧॥
Sūhī mėhlā 1. Ji▫o āraṇ lohā pā▫e bẖann gẖaṛā▫ī▫ai. Ŧi▫o sākaṯ jonī pā▫e bẖavai bẖavā▫ī▫ai. ||1||

In Essence: Just as the iron is put in a furnace to melt it for reshaping it, Maya – lover is put through various existences.

In the above Vaakas, a comparison of the reshaping of the iron and the going into existences of the Maya - lover mortals, is done. In these Vaakas,there is no other metaphoric expression which can change its meaning. Let us for a moment, assume it is a metaphor referring to miseries of life; however, then a question rises: why a mortal is put through various miseries? Is it done to make him or her better? What about those who never become better though they go through miseries all the time? In the above Vaakas, it is said clearly that something is done to accomplish something, isn’t? Otherwise, why to put the mortals into miseries? In other words, what is accomplished by doing so? Reshaping of the iron means to sculpture it again; what is accomplished by putting Maya - lovers into miseries then? Most of the Maya - lovers remain devoid of eternal happiness, isn’t that enough? Obviously, here it [Joni pae] is not a metaphor used to convey miseries etc. Guru makes it easier to understand the concept of incarnation by comparing it with the process of iron - refashioning; the mortals who do not live in His love, go through various existences like the iron put in the furnace to reshape it. Clearly, it is a simple comparison of iron and plight of the Maya – lovers. There is no way anyone can deny this concept of incarnation in Gurbani. Please read on the next Vaakas of “Rahao” this idea becomes crystal clear:

ਜਿਵੇਂ ਭੱਠੀ ਵਿਚ ਲੋਹਾ ਪਾ ਕੇ (ਤੇ) ਗਾਲ ਕੇ (ਨਵੇਂ ਸਿਰੇ) ਘੜਿਆ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ (ਲੋਹੇ ਤੋਂ ਕੰਮ ਆਉਣ ਵਾਲੀਆਂ ਚੀਜ਼ਾਂ ਬਣਾਈਆਂ ਜਾਂਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ) ਤਿਵੇਂ ਮਾਇਆ-ਵੇੜ੍ਹਿਆ ਜੀਵ ਜੂਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਪਾਇਆ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਪਾਇਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਚੱਕਰ ਲਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ (ਤੇ ਆਖ਼ਿਰ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਮੇਹਰ ਨਾਲ ਸੁਮਤਿ ਸਿੱਖਦਾ ਹੈ)।੧।


ਬਿਨੁ ਬੂਝੇ ਸਭੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਕਮਾਵਣਾ ॥ ਹਉਮੈ ਆਵੈ ਜਾਇ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਵਣਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Bin būjẖe sabẖ ḏukẖ ḏukẖ kamāvaṇā. Ha▫umai āvai jā▫e bẖaram bẖulāvaṇā. ||1|| rahā▫o.

In Essence: Without knowing Him/realizing Him, all what the mortals get is distress. Because of the conceit, people keep coming and going, and the doubt keeps deluding them. [Pause]

For the hyper – rational, everything finishes here because nothing is left to recycle. As per above Guru Vakaas, due to conceit they come and go, but from where they come and to where they go? To find out the truth; therefore, we should understand what is being talked in the Vaakas?
Actual meaning of “coming and going” is to be born to die as a routine after a life. From where mortals come and to where they go, is answered in the first Vaakas: they take birth to die to take birth again. Doubtlessly, in the “Raho” Vaakas, the concept of coming and going is also made clear. Hence the Coming and the going is not any metaphor that can change the meaning of above Guru Vaakas. If anyone doesn’t believe in it, I call it his or her choice, but Guru Nanak – path certainly is based on getting the soul saved from this coming and going by obtaining union with the Creator.

(ਸਹੀ ਜੀਵਨ-ਜਾਚ) ਸਮਝਣ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਮਨੁੱਖ (ਜੇਹੜਾ ਭੀ) ਕਰਮ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਦੁੱਖ (ਪੈਦਾ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ) ਦੁੱਖ ਹੀ ਦੁੱਖ (ਸਹੇੜਦਾ ਹੈ)। ਹਉਮੈ ਦੇ ਕਾਰਨ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਪਿਆ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਭਟਕਣਾ ਵਿਚ ਪੈ ਕੇ ਕੁਰਾਹੇ ਪਿਆ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ।੧।ਰਹਾਉ।
In this Shabada which partially quoted above, Guru keeps explaining how the loss of not having union with the Creator occurs, and how it is still possible to be with Him. It is a simple concept: As a soul, a part of the Creator is away from Him and it will continue going into existences until it settles with the Creator finally. In the last Vaakas of the Shabada, Guru concludes that if one turns towards Him, it is possible that His grace occurs and the union with Him will happen. If the mortals remain attached to Maya – love, they will pass through various existences; however, in this human life, a chance to realize Him certainly comes. If it is lost, who knows when such chance will come again? On 725 SGGS Mehla 1:

ਜਿਨਿ ਰੰਗਿ ਕੰਤੁ ਨ ਰਾਵਿਆ ਸਾ ਪਛੋ ਰੇ ਤਾਣੀ ॥ ਹਾਥ ਪਛੋੜੈ ਸਿਰੁ ਧੁਣੈ ਜਬ ਰੈਣਿ ਵਿਹਾਣੀ ॥੨॥
Jin rang kanṯ na rāvi▫ā sā pacẖẖo re ṯāṇī. Hāth pacẖẖoṛe sir ḏẖuṇai jab raiṇ vihāṇī. ||2||

In Essence: That soul – bride repents eventually, who doesn’t enjoy being in love with her Spouse [Creator], and when the life - night ends, she will repent seriously [by hitting head with something, an expression of repentance]

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਜਿਸ ਜੀਵ-ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਨੇ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਨਾਲ ਖਸਮ-ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤਾ, ਉਹ ਆਖ਼ਰ ਪਛੁਤਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ। ਜਦੋਂ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦੀ ਰਾਤ ਬੀਤ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ ਤਦੋਂ ਉਹ ਆਪਣੇ ਹੱਥ ਮਲਦੀ ਹੈ, ਸਿਰ ਮਾਰਦੀ ਹੈ;।੨।

ਪਛੋਤਾਵਾ ਨਾ ਮਿਲੈ ਜਬ ਚੂਕੈਗੀ ਸਾਰੀ ॥ ਤਾ ਫਿਰਿ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਰਾਵੀਐ ਜਬ ਆਵੈਗੀ ਵਾਰੀ ॥੩॥
Pacẖẖoṯāvā nā milai jab cẖūkaigī sārī. Ŧā fir pi▫ārā rāvī▫ai jab āvaigī vārī. ||3||

In Essence: [Idea from first Vaakas continues]. Nothing is gained by repenting when the Life – night ends. She [the soul –bride] can contemplate on Him only when she gets her turn again. [Vari: turn/chance]
Above, there is not only the use of Vari/turn” but also the word “Fir/again” is used with it to explain the occurrence of the next turn.

(ਪਰ) ਜਦੋਂ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦੀ ਸਾਰੀ ਰਾਤ ਮੁੱਕ ਜਾਏਗੀ, ਤਦੋਂ ਪਛੁਤਾਵਾ ਕੀਤਿਆਂ ਕੁਝ ਹਾਸਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੁੰਦਾ। ਉਸ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੂੰ ਫਿਰ ਤਦੋਂ ਹੀ ਸਿਮਰਿਆ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜਦੋਂ (ਮੁੜ ਕਦੇ) ਮਨੁੱਖਾ ਜੀਵਨ ਦੀ ਵਾਰੀ ਮਿਲੇਗੀ।੩।

After the end of life, what is the “turn = chance” Guru ji is talking about? Living life to the fullest doesn’t need any Divine knowledge; such goals are put into the heads by Maya – inflicted societies anyway. Divine knowledge is all about Him. To understand Him, love Him, and to live this given life in His love. For that, a True Guru, who has seen Him and is able to show others, is required. Other than that, all other things like conquering area and becoming Master of that area has nothing to do with the Divine knowledge. The urges to get power are enforced by “self – conceit”, which blocks the spiritual progression. We are aware of the fact that so called warriors of establishing Islam or other religions didn’t think for a second to kill their own brothers to fetch power. Often religion is used to satisfy one’s own conceit; it is called exploitation of the religion and giving bad name to the religion. Where conceit exists, the growth of spirituality related with the creator remains stagnant. As per Gurbani advice, the human birth is a chance to realize Him, so we should rise above rubbish of the worldly talk and live totally in His love. By doing so, He is realized, and the purpose of this human birth is accomplished. Otherwise, when will such chance/turn [to contemplate on Him] come, nobody knows but the Creator. Talking about the Creator and still chasing lustful – pursuits do not go together. Talking about praising the Creator and establishing empires by killing others is not a religious goal. All such goals are conceit - guided. His devotee divorces from such pursuits because he/she doesn’t live for such goals but to be with Him.


As per Guru – thought, if this life is wasted in other pursuits, a chance at hand to contemplate on Him is missed. Guru Nanak Dev is not interested in science; Guru Ji is not worried if some hyper - rational people will not be convinced with what he says. As per his personal experience with the Creator, he simply keeps stressing the need of the Creator in the life to get free from all bonds .

Sometimes some people try to be cute by proving Gurbani – concepts as rationality – based concepts, sometimes they try to distort Gurbani to meet their own life styles, and sometimes to please hyper -rational people by claiming that they belong to a faith which is scientific. Having such approach, they claim Guru Nanak Dev doesn’t believe in the incarnation, and they try to give new meanings to the words like “maran, Jaman, joon/ dying/taking birth/existence” forgetting that this concept is also described in Gurbani with a clear cut word “Garbh/womb”; a list of such proofs in this regard is not lmited. It is also a sheer blindness not to comprehend the truth, which goes beyond rationality. That is why Guru – directions stress on abandoning our own intellect to follow the Guru. Going into “garbh” is not a metaphor, it is all about taking birth through a mother; it is that simple.

Since I am not a scholar of other religions, so I shall talk about Sikhi only which is based on Gurbani. I admit that Gurbani deals with rationality, but on some avenues, it detours from it and talks about paranormal issues like “nothing goes with the being but His Naam after death or a journey of the souls into different existences”. Those Sikhs [As they believe to be], who do not believe in the incarnation, claim that Sikhi has nothing to do with the incarnation; however, they have no way out to interpret the words like “ ਗਰਭ ਜੂਨੀ Garabẖ Joni”repeatedly used in Gurbani. Keeping Gurbani statements in my mind, I must say this that they are not only naive about the concept of incarnation in Gurbani but also in denial to accept this fact supported by the Gurus vigorously. As stated earlier, hyper – rational intellectuals interpret that “Janam/marn/birth and death” as the metaphors defining “stages of life.” Let us agree with them for a second, still the words like “ਗਰਭ ਜੂਨੀgarbh/ existence through mother’s womb,” overwhelmingly, defines the origin of birth. What kind of metaphor is that? Guru is very clear on that and continuously talks about the journey of the soul.
On 715 Todi Mehla 5

ਸੁਣਿ ਮਨ ਸੀਖ ਸਾਧੂ ਜਨ ਸਗਲੋ ਥਾਰੇ ਸਗਲੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਛਤ ਮਿਟਿਓ ਰੇ ॥ ਜਾ ਕੋ ਲਹਣੋ ਮਹਰਾਜ ਰੀ ਗਾਠੜੀਓ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਗਰਭਾਸਿ ਨ ਪਉੜਿਓ ਰੇ ॥੨॥੨॥੧੯॥
Suṇ man sīkẖ sāḏẖū jan saglo thāre sagle parācẖẖaṯ miti▫o re. Jā ko lahṇo mahrāj rī gāṯẖ▫ṛī▫o jan Nānak garbẖās na pa▫oṛi▫o re. ||2||2||19||

In Essence: Oh mind! Listen to the teachings of Saints, your all sins will be eliminated. Who is destined to get [Naam] from Prabh’s treasure, they do not enter into mother’s womb.
What can be the other meaning of “going into mother’s womb” than ‘incarnation” here?
Now look at the whole concept of Sikhi given by Guru Nanak on 414 SGGS

ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਮਹਿ ਆਕਾਰੁ ਸਮਾਵੈ ॥ ਅਕਲ ਕਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਸਾਚਿ ਟਿਕਾਵੈ ॥ ਸੋ ਨਰੁ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨਿ ਨਹੀ ਆਵੈ ॥੪॥
Nirankār mėh ākār samāvai. Akal kalā sacẖ sācẖ tikāvai. So nar garabẖ jon nahī āvai. ||4||

In Essence: The one, who immerses in Formless Prabh and stables with the Eternal Creator having power beyond measure, doesn’t enter into womb-existence.

It is all about attaching to Him and never getting separated from Him through involving in His Simran.

On 604 SGGS, Third Nanak uses “maran/die” as a metaphor, in the following Guru Vaakas, it is very much clear in its use; let us look at it, but keep in mind that in the Guru Vaakas that follow these Vaakas below, its use has different meaning:

ਸਬਦਿ ਮਰਹੁ ਫਿਰਿ ਜੀਵਹੁ ਸਦ ਹੀ ਤਾ ਫਿਰਿ ਮਰਣੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਦਾ ਮਨਿ ਮੀਠਾ ਸਬਦੇ ਪਾਵੈ ਕੋਈ ॥੩॥
Sabaḏ marahu fir jīvhu saḏ hī ṯā fir maraṇ na ho▫ī. Amriṯ nām saḏā man mīṯẖā sabḏe pāvai ko▫ī. ||3||

In Essence: When the mortal totally involves in The Guru – Shaabada and dies [gets detached], he or she doesn’t die again [metaphor: once one learns how to live detached through Guru Shabada, then there is no chance that he or she will ever go through painful moments again]. A few obtain the ever sweet Name of Prabh through Guru Shabada.

Again stress is on The Guru – teachings that inspire the mind to be with the Name of the Creator; once that is happened, pains do not bother again. Therefore, the use of “Maran/to die” here is indeed a metaphor. Now look at the below Guru Vaakas, there is no way it can be a metaphoric expression with the same meaning stated above:

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਵਿਚ ਜੁੜ ਕੇ (ਵਿਕਾਰਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ) ਅਛੋਹ ਹੋ ਜਾਵੋ, ਫਿਰ ਸਦਾ ਲਈ ਹੀ ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਜੀਊਂਦੇ ਰਹੋਗੇ, ਫਿਰ ਕਦੇ ਆਤਮਕ ਮੌਤ ਨੇੜੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਢੁਕੇਗੀ। ਜੇਹੜਾ ਭੀ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਦੀ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਹਰਿ-ਨਾਮ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕਰ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਦੇਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਦਾ ਲਈ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਮਿੱਠਾ ਲੱਗਣ ਲੱਗ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ।

ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਮਾਇਆ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਇਆ ਹਉਮੈ ਬੰਧਨ ਕਮਾਏ ॥ ਜੰਮਣੁ ਮਰਣੁ ਸਿਰ ਊਪਰਿ ਊਭਉ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨਿ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਏ ॥੨॥
Ŧarai guṇ mā▫i▫ā bẖaram bẖulā▫i▫ā ha▫umai banḏẖan kamā▫e. Jamaṇ maraṇ sir ūpar ūbẖa▫o garabẖ jon ḏukẖ pā▫e. ||2||

In Essence: Those who are bound due to their conceit are deluded by three modes of Maya. Birth and death hang over their heads, and by going through the womb -existences, they suffer in pain. ||2||

Here if we take, “Jaman-Maran” as a metaphor, what we will do with the word “ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨਿ Garbhjoon” used in the above Vaakas? Guru has used both “Jaman – Maran” and “garbh – joon” together to express his belief in “going into existences”. What more proof we need to admit that Guru Nanak Dev believes in various existences after death? How anyone can call it a metaphor and give new meanings to “garbh-joon/ existence through a womb”?

Now look how Guru stresses on “ਫੁਨਿ FUN /again/”
On 898 SGGS Mehla 5

ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਇਹ ਲੋਕੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ ਨਹੀ ਭੇਟਤ ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇਆ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਦਰਗਹ ਸੋਭਾਵੰਤ ॥ ਫੁਨਿ ਗਰਭਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਬਸੰਤ ॥੧॥
Rāmkalī mėhlā 5. Ih loke sukẖ pā▫i▫ā. Nahī bẖetaṯ ḏẖaram rā▫i▫ā. Har ḏargėh sobẖāvanṯ. Fun garabẖ nāhī basanṯ. ||1||

In Essence: In this world, I have procured peace. In His court I will be memorable; there will be no meeting with righteous judge, and I shall not abide in the womb again.

(ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਜਿਸ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਮਿੱਤ੍ਰਤਾ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਨੇ) ਇਸ ਜਗਤ ਵਿਚ (ਆਤਮਕ) ਸੁਖ ਮਾਣਿਆ, (ਪਰਲੋਕ ਵਿਚ) ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਧਰਮਰਾਜ ਨਾਲ ਵਾਹ ਨਾਹ ਪਿਆ। ਉਹ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਹਜ਼ੂਰੀ ਵਿਚ ਸੋਭਾ ਵਾਲਾ ਬਣਦਾ ਹੈ, ਮੁੜ ਮੁੜ ਜਨਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ (ਭੀ) ਨਹੀਂ ਪੈਂਦਾ।੧।

Please read carefully, “eh loke/this world”, if this world is ਇਹ ਲੋਕੇ / Ih loke, then question rise: is there any other world? Guru talks about that too. When Guru says that there will be no meeting with the “dharamrajsupposedly known to be the judge who serves justice on behalf of the Creator,” obviously he talks about afterlife; his statement is about going to the Creator with honor without any obstacle. After this world, after getting His honor, Guru also says that there will be no going into womb again. I don’t see any other meanings implied in the above quoted Vaakas.

The words, “ਫੁਨਿ ਗਰਭਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਬਸੰਤ” again tell the whole story: going into a womb again. Obviously it means to reincarnate. Guru also uses another word “ਫਿਰਿ” which means “again;” here it is on 717 SGGS Mehla 5

ਚਾਰਿ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਅਸਟ ਮਹਾ ਸਿਧਿ ਕਾਮਧੇਨੁ ਪਾਰਜਾਤ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰੁਖੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਰਨਿ ਗਹੀ ਸੁਖ ਸਾਗਰ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਫਿਰਿ ਗਰਭ ਨ ਧੁਖੁ ॥੨॥੧੦॥੨੯॥
Cẖār paḏārath asat mahā siḏẖ kāmḏẖen pārjāṯ har har rukẖ. Nānak saran gahī sukẖ sāgar janam maran fir garabẖ na ḏẖukẖ. ||2||10||29||

In Essence: Akalpurakh Himself is the source of four blessings, eight supernatural powers of great Sidhas, the wish – fulfilling Elysian cow and the wish – fulfilling tree. Nanak says that the person who takes support of the Ocean of peace, the Creator, will not worry to go back to “womb – existence” again. [Means only this life is outcome of womb but again there will be none; well if a person remains into duality is there another life? The answer follows]

ਹੇ ਮਾਂ! ਚਾਰ ਪਦਾਰਥ (ਦੇਣ ਵਾਲਾ), ਅੱਠ ਵੱਡੀਆਂ ਕਰਾਮਾਤੀ ਤਾਕਤਾਂ (ਦੇਣ ਵਾਲਾ) ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਹੈ। ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਕਾਮਧੇਨ; ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਪਾਰਜਾਤ ਰੁੱਖ। ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! (ਆਖ-ਹੇ ਮਾਂ! ਜਿਸ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨੇ) ਸੁਖਾਂ ਦੇ ਸਮੁੰਦਰ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਆਸਰਾ ਲੈ ਲਿਆ, ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਦਾ ਫ਼ਿਕਰ, ਜੂਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਪੈਣ ਦਾ ਫ਼ਿਕਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ।੨।੧੦।੨੯।

On 128 SGGS, Third Nanak explains it explicitly and this is what Guru believes in. If some do not want to believe in it, they are free to enjoy the swings of their own thoughts:

ਮਾਝ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ॥ ਮਨਮੁਖ ਪੜਹਿ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਕਹਾਵਹਿ ॥ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ਮਹਾ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਵਹਿ ॥ ਬਿਖਿਆ ਮਾਤੇ ਕਿਛੁ ਸੂਝੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਜੂਨੀ ਆਵਣਿਆ ॥੧॥
Mājẖ mėhlā 3. Manmukẖ paṛėh pandiṯ kahāvėh. Ḏūjai bẖā▫e mahā ḏukẖ pāvahi. Bikẖi▫ā māṯe kicẖẖ sūjẖai nāhī fir fir jūnī āvaṇi▫ā. ||1||

In Essence: The mind – slaves study and deem themselves pundit. Due to others love [other than the Creator], they suffer greatly. Being intoxicated in Maya, they do not understand anything; therefore, they go into existence repeatedly [ਫਿਰਿ ਫਿਰਿ which means again and again]

ਆਪਣੇ ਮਨ ਦੇ ਪਿੱਛੇ ਤੁਰਨ ਵਾਲੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ (ਵੇਦ ਆਦਿਕ ਧਰਮ ਪੁਸਤਕਾਂ) ਪੜ੍ਹਦੇ ਹਨ (ਤੇ ਇਸ ਕਾਰਨ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ) ਪੰਡਿਤ ਵਿਦਵਾਨ ਅਖਵਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ (ਪਰ ਫਿਰ ਭੀ ਉਹ) ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਪਿਆਰ ਵਿਚ (ਟਿਕੇ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ, ਧਰਮ-ਪੁਸਤਕਾਂ ਪੜ੍ਹਦੇ ਹੋਏ ਭੀ ਹਉਮੈ ਆਦਿਕ ਦਾ) ਵੱਡਾ ਦੁੱਖ ਸਹਿੰਦੇ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ। ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਮੋਹ ਵਿਚ ਮਸਤ ਰਹਿਣ ਕਰਕੇ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ (ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਦੀ) ਕੁਝ ਭੀ ਸਮਝ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੈਂਦੀ, ਉਹ ਮੁੜ ਮੁੜ ਜੂਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਪਏ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ।੧।

It is just not a talk or a reference to the established belief, but it is a part of Guru Message. As per Gurbani, our being in an existence is an explicit picture of separation from the Creator. This is the pain that needs to be ended just as His true devotees do. On 336 Fifth Nanak says that most of the people are in love with Maya, which keeps them going into various existences:

ਏਤੁ ਮੋਹਿ ਡੂਬਾ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਕੋਈ ਉਤਰੈ ਪਾਰਿ ॥੩॥
Ėṯ mohi dūbā sansār. Gurmukẖ ko▫ī uṯrai pār. ||3||

In Essence: In this love [the love of Maya], the world is drowned, a rare Guru – follower swims across [Maya ocean].

ਇਹ ਮੋਹ ਵਿਚ ਸਾਰਾ ਜਗਤ ਡੁੱਬਾ ਪਿਆ ਹੈ, ਕੋਈ ਵਿਰਲਾ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਜੋ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਦੱਸੇ ਰਸਤੇ ਤੇ ਤੁਰਦਾ ਹੈ (ਮੋਹ ਦੇ ਸਮੁੰਦਰ ਵਿਚੋਂ) ਪਾਰ ਲੰਘਦਾ ਹੈ।੩।

ਏਤੁ ਮੋਹਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਜੂਨੀ ਪਾਹਿ ॥ ਮੋਹੇ ਲਾਗਾ ਜਮ ਪੁਰਿ ਜਾਹਿ ॥੪॥
Ėṯ mohi fir jūnī pāhi. Mohe lāgā jam pur jāhi. ||4||

In Essence: Because of this love [Maya love instead of loving the Creator], the mortal goes through existence again; due to this love, he or she has to go through death [again].
Note: Everybody faces death, why in above Vaakas, facing death is described as a loss, or painful? Doubtless, it makes clear that as long as one remains into existences by forgetting the Creator, facing death remains dreadful because it comes again and again and separates the soul from its attachments. For His devotees, it becomes a last call because they merge with the Creator once for all and do not face it again. This idea is elaborated in the following Guru Vakaas:

(ਹੇ ਭਾਈ!) ਇਸ ਮੋਹ ਵਿਚ (ਫਸਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ) ਤੂੰ ਮੁੜ ਮੁੜ ਜੂਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਪਏਂਗਾ, ਮੋਹ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਜਕੜਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਤੂੰ ਜਮਰਾਜ ਦੇ ਦੇਸ ਵਿਚ ਜਾਵੇਂਗਾ।੪।
Now read a verification of the concept of going through various existences, it is on 769 Mehla 3

ਸਾਚੈ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਸਾਚੁ ਬੁਝਾਇਆ ਪਤਿ ਰਾਖੈ ਸਚੁ ਸੋਈ ਰਾਮ ॥ ਸਚਾ ਭੋਜਨੁ ਭਾਉ ਸਚਾ ਹੈ ਸਚੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਈ ਰਾਮ ॥ ਸਾਚੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਈ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ ਗਰਭਿ ਨ ਜੂਨੀ ਵਾਸਾ ॥ ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਮਿਲਾਈ ਸਚਿ ਸਮਾਈ ਸਚਿ ਨਾਇ ਪਰਗਾਸਾ ॥ ਜਿਨੀ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਤਾ ਸੇ ਸਚੇ ਹੋਏ ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਸਚੁ ਧਿਆਇਨਿ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਿਨ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਵਸਿਆ ਨਾ ਵੀਛੁੜਿ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਨਿ ॥੨॥
Sācẖai saṯgur sācẖ bujẖā▫i▫ā paṯ rākẖai sacẖ so▫ī rām. Sacẖā bẖojan bẖā▫o sacẖā hai sacẖai nām sukẖ ho▫ī rām. Sācẖai nām sukẖ ho▫ī marai na ko▫ī garabẖ na jūnī vāsā. Joṯī joṯ milā▫ī sacẖ samā▫ī sacẖ nā▫e pargāsā. Jinī sacẖ jāṯā se sacẖe ho▫e an▫ḏin sacẖ ḏẖi▫ā▫in. Nānak sacẖ nām jin hirḏai vasi▫ā nā vīcẖẖuṛ ḏukẖ pā▫in. ||2||

In Essence: Whom, the True Guru makes realized the Eternal Prabh, their honor is saved. Their true love for the Creator becomes their diet and they obtain peace. They obtain peace with the name of the Eternal Prabh, and they don’t die to go into existence because their light merges with the Eternal Prabh; His Name enlightens them. Those who have realized the Eternal Creator, get imbued with the Eternal One, and remain always meditated on Him. Nanak says that in whose hearts the Eternal Name abides, they never get separated from Him to bear pain again.

Separation from the Creator is certainly full of pains. Even being alive, who get imbued with Him, don’t die [death is deemed fearful for those who are attached to Maya]. They leave this body - house to be with Him; therefore, for them there is no “death”again. In other words, they do not enter into body – house that eventually crumbles; consequently, they will not go again through that coming and going.

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਰੂਪ ਗੁਰੂ ਨੇ ਜਿਸ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਗਿਆਨ ਦੇ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਲਾਜ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਆਪ ਰੱਖਦਾ ਹੈ। ਪ੍ਰਭੂ-ਚਰਨਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਅਟੱਲ ਪਿਆਰ ਉਸ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੀ ਆਤਮਕ ਖ਼ੁਰਾਕ ਬਣ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਹਰਿ-ਨਾਮ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਆਤਮਕ ਆਨੰਦ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਜਿਸ ਭੀ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਵਿਚ ਆਤਮਕ ਆਨੰਦ ਲੱਭਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਹ ਕਦੇ ਆਤਮਕ ਮੌਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਹੇੜਦਾ, ਉਹ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਜੂਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੈਂਦਾ। (ਗੁਰੂ ਨੇ ਜਿਸ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੀ) ਸੁਰਤਿ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਵਿਚ ਮਿਲਾ ਦਿੱਤੀ, ਉਹ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਵਿਚ ਲੀਨ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਹਰਿ-ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਬਰਕਤਿ ਨਾਲ (ਉਸ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਦਾ) ਚਾਨਣ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ। ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਮਨੁੱਖਾਂ ਨੇ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨਾਲ ਡੂੰਘੀ ਸਾਂਝ ਪਾ ਲਈ ਉਹ ਉਸੇ ਦਾ ਰੂਪ ਬਣ ਗਏ, ਉਹ ਹਰ ਵੇਲੇ ਉਸ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰਦੇ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ। ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਮਨੁੱਖਾਂ ਦੇ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਵੱਸ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਹ ਫਿਰ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਚਰਨਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਵਿਛੁੜ ਕੇ ਦੁੱਖ ਨਹੀਂ ਪਾਂਦੇ।੨।

In above Vaakas, two things are very clear: those, who through Guru, merge with the Creator, don’t die to take birth again.The second, because they don’t get separate from Him; consequently, there is no pain.

On 1289 SGGS First Nanak in very compact expression talks about stability of mind and a “full stop” to existences, please read carefully:

ਮਃ ੧ ॥ ਅਜਰੁ ਜਰੈ ਤ ਨਉ ਕੁਲ ਬੰਧੁ ॥ ਪੂਜੈ ਪ੍ਰਾਣ ਹੋਵੈ ਥਿਰੁ ਕੰਧੁ ॥
Mėhlā 1. Ajar jarai ṯa na▫o kul banḏẖ. Pūjai parāṇ hovai thir kanḏẖ.

In Essence: When one learns to control the uncontrollable mind [mercurial state of mind], all nine sensual organs become stable [they don’t drag the mind to many directions]. Then, through every breath one adores the Creator, and the body totally goes into stable state [free from vice].

ਜਦੋਂ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਮਨ ਦੀ ਉਸ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਤੇ ਕਾਬੂ ਪਾ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਤੇ ਕਾਬੂ ਪਾਣਾ ਔਖਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ (ਭਾਵ, ਜਦੋਂ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਮਨ ਨੂੰ ਵਿਕਾਰਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਡਿੱਗਣ ਤੋਂ ਰੋਕ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ), ਜਦੋਂ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਸੁਆਸ ਸੁਆਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੂੰ ਸਿਮਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਦੇ ਨੌ ਹੀ (ਕਰਮ ਤੇ ਗਿਆਨ) ਇੰਦ੍ਰੇ ਜਾਇਜ਼ ਹੱਦ ਵਿਚ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ, ਇਸ ਦਾ ਸਰੀਰ ਵਿਕਾਰਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਅਡੋਲ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ।

ਕਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਆਇਆ ਕਹਾਂ ਏਹੁ ਜਾਣੁ ॥ ਜੀਵਤ ਮਰਤ ਰਹੈ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥ ਹੁਕਮੈ ਬੂਝੈ ਤਤੁ ਪਛਾਣੈ ॥ ਇਹੁ ਪਰਸਾਦੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੇ ਜਾਣੈ ॥
Kahāʼn ṯe ā▫i▫ā kahāʼn ehu jāṇ. Jīvaṯ maraṯ rahai parvāṇ. Hukmai būjẖai ṯaṯ pacẖẖāṇai. Ih parsāḏ gurū ṯe jāṇai.
In Essence: [idea continues, once the mind gets imbued with the Creator, whole situation is changed] from where it has come and to where it has to go? [Through a question Guru explains: everything comes to an end, the coming, and the going doesn’t remain active then] A person is accepted by the Creator, when he or she lives being detached. [As stated above, when uncontrollable mind is stilled, it remains fixed on the Creator] Only the one, who understands His Ordinance, can know Him; however, this understanding comes through Guru’s blessings.

In the next Vaakas, Guru very clearly states that it is the “self – conceit” that causes the mortal to get caught into this cycle of coming and going; when it is eradicated, “going into existences” stops.

ਕਿੱਥੋਂ ਆਇਆ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਕਿੱਥੇ ਇਸ ਨੇ ਜਾਣਾ ਹੈ? (ਭਾਵ, ਇਸ ਦਾ 'ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦਾ ਚੱਕਰ' ਮਿਟ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ), ਜੀਵਤ-ਭਾਵ (ਭਾਵ, ਨਫ਼ਸਾਨੀ ਖ਼ਾਹਸ਼ਾਂ) ਤੋਂ ਮਰ ਕੇ (ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਰ ਤੇ) ਪ੍ਰਵਾਨ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ। ਤਦੋਂ ਜੀਵ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਰਜ਼ਾ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਝ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਅਸਲੀਅਤ ਨੂੰ ਪਛਾਣ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ-ਇਹ ਮਿਹਰ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੋਂ ਮਿਲਦੀ ਹੈ।

ਹੋਂਦਾ ਫੜੀਅਗੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਾਣੁ ॥ ਨਾ ਹਉ ਨਾ ਮੈ ਜੂਨੀ ਪਾਣੁ ॥੨॥
Hoʼnḏā faṛī▫ag Nānak jāṇ. Nā ha▫o nā mai jūnī pāṇ. ||2||

In Essence: Nanak says that it must be understood that as long as one’s “conceit/I – force” exists, one remains bound [to Maya, consequently, coming and going goes on]. When there is no “conceit/I – force,” there is no “coming and going”.
The same idea is explicitly made clear by Fifth Nanak on 278 SGGS

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਜਾਨੈ ਮੁਝ ਤੇ ਕਛੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਤਬ ਇਸ ਕਉ ਸੁਖੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਜਬ ਇਹ ਜਾਨੈ ਮੈ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਤਾ ॥ ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨਿ ਮਹਿ ਫਿਰਤਾ ॥
Jab lag jānai mujẖ ṯe kacẖẖ ho▫e. Ŧab is ka▫o sukẖ nāhī ko▫e. Jab ih jānai mai kicẖẖ karṯā. Ŧab lag garabẖ jon mėh firṯā.

In Essence: As long as the mortal thinks that he or she can do something, he or she doesn’t get peace. When he or she believes that it is him/her who is the doer of everything [dominance of conceit], he or she keeps wandering into existences.

As stated earlier, it is the conceit that keeps the human beings into a cycle of death and birth; once it is eradicated through Guru, this cycle stops. On 330 SGGS, Guru applauds those who get attached with the Creator and get out of this cycle of existences:

ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕੀ ਸੋਭਾ ਕਿਆ ਗਣੀ ਜਿਨੀ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਲਧਾ ॥ ਸਾਧਾ ਸਰਣੀ ਜੋ ਪਵੈ ਸੋ ਛੁਟੈ ਬਧਾ ॥ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵੈ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀਐ ਜੋਨਿ ਗਰਭਿ ਨ ਦਧਾ
Pa▫oṛī. Ŧin kī sobẖā ki▫ā gaṇī jinī har har laḏẖā. Sāḏẖā sarṇī jo pavai so cẖẖutai baḏẖā. Guṇ gāvai abināsī▫ai jon garabẖ na ḏaḏẖā

In Essence: It is not possible to express the glory of those persons who have realized the Creator. Those who seek the refuge of His Devotees [who have realized Him], get liberated from all bonds because they only sing the virtues of Imperishable Prabh, and do not get burnt though existences.

Again going through existences is deemed as painful process as getting burnt.

ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ (ਗੁਰਮੁਖਾਂ) ਨੇ ਰੱਬ ਨੂੰ ਲੱਭ ਲਿਆ ਹੈ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਬਿਆਨ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤੀ ਜਾ ਸਕਦੀ, ਜੋ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਾਂ ਦੀ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਆਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਬੰਧਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਬੱਝਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਮੁਕਤ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ (ਭਾਵ, ਉਸ ਦੇ ਮਾਇਕ ਬੰਧਨ ਟੁੱਟ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ), ਉਹ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਜੂਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਪੈ ਪੈ ਕੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੜਦਾ,

On 598 SGGS, First Nanak stresses that through True Guru, a person is saved from the cycle of existences, please read on:

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਬੰਧਨ ਤੋੜਿ ਨਿਰਾਰੇ ਬਹੁੜਿ ਨ ਗਰਭ ਮਝਾਰੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਗਿਆਨ ਰਤਨੁ ਪਰਗਾਸਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਮਨਿ ਵਸਿਆ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੀ ਜੀਉ ॥੪॥੮॥
Saṯgur banḏẖan ṯoṛ nirāre bahuṛ na garabẖ majẖārī jī▫o. Nānak gi▫ān raṯan pargāsi▫ā har man vasi▫ā nirankārī jī▫o. ||4||8||

In Essence: Whose bonds True Guru shatters, they are set free from Maya – influences and do not enter into a womb again. Nanak says in whose heart Guru’s jewel of Divine – knowledge is manifested, the Formless Creator abides in their minds.

ਹੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ! ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਬੰਧਨ ਤੋੜ ਕੇ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਬੰਦਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਤੂੰ ਮਾਇਆ ਤੋਂ ਨਿਰਲੇਪ ਕਰ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਹੈਂ, ਉਹ ਮੁੜ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੈਂਦਾ। ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! (ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਨਾਲ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ) ਗਿਆਨ ਦਾ ਰਤਨ ਚਮਕ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਹਰੀ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ (ਆਪ) ਆ ਵੱਸਦਾ ਹੈ।੪।੮।

On 693 SGGS, Bhagat Namdev says a very interesting thing, please read on:

ਇਹ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਤੇ ਤਬ ਹੀ ਛੂਟਉ ਜਉ ਮਾਇਆ ਨਹ ਲਪਟਾਵਉ ॥ ਮਾਇਆ ਨਾਮੁ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨਿ ਕਾ ਤਿਹ ਤਜਿ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਪਾਵਉ ॥੩॥
Ih sansār ṯe ṯab hī cẖẖūta▫o ja▫o mā▫i▫ā nah laptāva▫o. Mā▫i▫ā nām garabẖ jon kā ṯih ṯaj ḏarsan pāva▫o. ||3||

In Essence: Only then I can get rid of bonds of this world when I do not get caught into Maya - love because it is the cause of womb – existences [Maya is another name of womb –existence which means due to it, womb – existence is there, also remember, the conceit is also Maya].

ਇਸ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਦੇ ਬੰਧਨਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਮੇਰੀ ਤਦੋਂ ਹੀ ਖ਼ਲਾਸੀ ਹੋ ਸਕਦੀ ਹੈ ਜੇ ਮੈਂ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਮੋਹ ਵਿਚ ਨਾ ਫਸਾਂ; ਮਾਇਆ (ਦਾ ਮੋਹ) ਹੀ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਪੈਣ ਦਾ ਮੂਲ ਹੈ, ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਤਿਆਗ ਕੇ ਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਦੀਦਾਰ ਹੋ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ।੩। .

In Gurbani, there is a concept of separation from the Creator and a union with Him; our existence is due to our separation from the Creator. To get out of separation is to seek union with Him. His union occurs due to mortal’s pure love for Him, but the separation exists due to the game of Maya – love. To put it different way, those persons who are into His love are set free from womb existences and they obtain union with the Creator; however; those who are into Maya - love, are subject to existences for the Maya realm.

When people lose virtues, they lose Him. As a result of it,without hesitating, they obtain lofty aim with treachery. Interestingly, that is the choice most of the worldly people often make in reality. it doesn’t bother them if they have any faith in the Creator or not, they take whatever faith they choose as per their own terms, and their chosen faith doesn’t bound them to virtues. Their gratification is to satisfy their conceit; however, all this worldly significant stuff, is literally useless for His devotees. They think that since it is all meaningless and doesn’t go with the soul as the death comes, then why they need to go through existences and remain separate from the Creator? This is the stand of His devotees. In such kind of thinking, lies their gratification. Their life is the Creator, their breath is the Creator and without Creator, nothing exists for them. Having that much love for Him, they go above all worldly thoughts and entanglements. In spiritual realms, they are victorious. When the goal of life is changed, the approach towards world will certainly change.

The People, who advocate that Guru Nanak Dev doesn’t believe in the incarnation, give Gurbani – quotes which state that no one knows where the soul goes after death. Let me give that kind of quote that states that it is not known where the soul goes; however, I must say that we should look at its context as well. It is on 752 - 753 SGGS, Mehla 1

ਹਉ ਨਾਹੀ ਤੂ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਤੁਧ ਹੀ ਸਾਜਿਆ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਥਾਪਿ ਉਥਾਪਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਨਿਵਾਜਿਆ ॥੫॥
Ha▫o nāhī ṯū hovėh ṯuḏẖ hī sāji▫ā. Āpe thāp uthāp sabaḏ nivāji▫ā. ||5||

In Essence: Oh Prabh! You are there where conceit [awareness of “I”] doesn’t exist, and all this [Like conceit/Maya/creation], you have created. You create and destroy, and through Guru Shabada, you exalt and elevate beings. [Here in meaning of this Guru Vaakas, I slightly differ from Dr S.S. Ji]

ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ! ਤੂੰ ਹੀ (ਸਾਰਾ ਜਗਤ) ਪੈਦਾ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੈ, ਤੂੰ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਪੈਦਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈਂ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਨਾਸ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈਂ। ਜਿਸ ਜੀਵ ਨੂੰ ਤੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਵਿਚ ਜੋੜ ਕੇ ਨਿਵਾਜਦਾ ਹੈਂ ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਤੂੰ (ਪਰਗਟ) ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈਂ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ 'ਹਉਮੈ' ਨਹੀਂ ਰਹਿ ਜਾਂਦੀ।੫।


ਦੇਹੀ ਭਸਮ ਰੁਲਾਇ ਨ ਜਾਪੀ ਕਹ ਗਇਆ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ਸੋ ਵਿਸਮਾਦੁ ਭਇਆ ॥੬॥
Ḏehī bẖasam rulā▫e na jāpī kah ga▫i▫ā. Āpe rahi▫ā samā▫e so vismāḏ bẖa▫i▫ā. ||6||
In Essence: Leaving the body to roll in the dust, where the soul/being goes is not known. It is a great wonder that Prabh pervades everywhere. [Expression is about His incomprehensible Ordinance and power to permeate in all]

ਜੀਵਾਤਮਾ (ਆਪਣੇ ਸਰੀਰ ਨੂੰ ਛੱਡ ਕੇ) ਸਰੀਰ ਨੂੰ ਮਿੱਟੀ ਵਿਚ ਰੁਲਾ ਕੇ, ਪਤਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਲੱਗਦਾ, ਕਿੱਥੇ ਚਲਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ। ਅਚਰਜ ਕੌਤਕ ਵਰਤਦਾ ਹੈ। (ਪਰ ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ!) ਤੂੰ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਹਰ ਥਾਂ ਮੌਜੂਦ ਹੈਂ।੬।

Read the above Vaakas carefully. First it is stated that He is known only when conceit departs, He creates and destroys His creation and through Guru Shabada He exalts and elevates too; however, in the next Vaakas, Guru talks about the soul. After death, as the body is left to become dust, where the soul goes, it is unknown. Only Akalpurakh knows what occurs after death because it is not possible to explain what happens to every one. His pervading - power all over is amazing itself. How His ordinance works in context of a departed soul, is not surely known. However, if we read, Asa Dee Vaar, Guru Nanak Dev narrates in detail what happens after death to those who chose Maya over the Creator. In the above Vaakas, in a broad sense, he is saying that we just cannot express His ordinance. In other words, we just cannot say for surely how the Creator deals with every one after death. It doesn’t mean Guru is saying that the soul just doesn’t exist. In the last Vaakas of this Shabada Guru offers a prayer to have His grace to get attached to His Naam which brings peace. The stability of the mind and the soul while being alive and after death is sought in Gurbani repeatedly. Now let us look at Vaakas from Asa Dee Vaar [462] on 464 SGGS

ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਆਪੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ਭੋਗ ਭੋਗਿ ਕੈ ਹੋਇ ਭਸਮੜਿ ਭਉਰੁ ਸਿਧਾਇਆ ॥ ਵਡਾ ਹੋਆ ਦੁਨੀਦਾਰੁ ਗਲਿ ਸੰਗਲੁ ਘਤਿ ਚਲਾਇਆ ॥ ਅਗੈ ਕਰਣੀ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਵਾਚੀਐ ਬਹਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਕਰਿ ਸਮਝਾਇਆ ॥ ਥਾਉ ਨ ਹੋਵੀ ਪਉਦੀਈ ਹੁਣਿ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਕਿਆ ਰੂਆਇਆ ॥ ਮਨਿ ਅੰਧੈ ਜਨਮੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥੩॥
Pa▫oṛī. Āpīnĥai bẖog bẖog kai ho▫e bẖasmaṛ bẖa▫ur siḏẖā▫i▫ā. vadā ho▫ā ḏunīḏār gal sangal gẖaṯ cẖalā▫i▫ā. Agai karṇī kīraṯ vācẖī▫ai bahi lekẖā kar samjẖā▫i▫ā. Thā▫o na hovī pa▫uḏī▫ī huṇ suṇī▫ai ki▫ā rū▫ā▫i▫ā. Man anḏẖai janam gavā▫i▫ā. ||3||

In Essence: When the soul goes away, after having enjoyed revelment, the body becomes heap of ashes. When the mortal dies, the restrained soul is led away [for justice]. The soul’s account of good and bad deeds is explained. The faulty one [phony] gets no place [of stability], and there the bewailing of the soul is not cared about. Thus, the blind (in Maya) mortal wastes his life.

To understand above stanza, we must look at the second stanza of Asa Dee Vaar as well, here it is:

ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀਅ ਉਪਾਇ ਕੈ ਲਿਖਿ ਨਾਵੈ ਧਰਮੁ ਬਹਾਲਿਆ ॥ ਓਥੈ ਸਚੇ ਹੀ ਸਚਿ ਨਿਬੜੈ ਚੁਣਿ ਵਖਿ ਕਢੇ ਜਜਮਾਲਿਆ ॥ ਥਾਉ ਨ ਪਾਇਨਿ ਕੂੜਿਆਰ ਮੁਹ ਕਾਲ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ਦੋਜਕਿ ਚਾਲਿਆ ॥ ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਇ ਰਤੇ ਸੇ ਜਿਣਿ ਗਏ ਹਾਰਿ ਗਏ ਸਿ ਠਗਣ ਵਾਲਿਆ ॥ ਲਿਖਿ ਨਾਵੈ ਧਰਮੁ ਬਹਾਲਿਆ ॥੨॥
Pa▫oṛī. Nānak jī▫a upā▫e kai likẖ nāvai ḏẖaram bahāli▫ā. Othai sacẖe hī sacẖ nibṛai cẖuṇ vakẖ kadẖe jajmāli▫ā. Thā▫o na pā▫in kūṛi▫ār muh kālĥai ḏojak cẖāli▫ā. Ŧerai nā▫e raṯe se jiṇ ga▫e hār ga▫e sė ṯẖagaṇ vāli▫ā. Likẖ nāvai ḏẖaram bahāli▫ā. ||2||

In Essence: After creating beings, they are made subject to Dharma - judgment. Under that, based on the truth, decision is taken and faulty ones are taken out, and they get no place [of stability]; they get dishonored through His justice, and go through miseries. Who are absorbed in your Name oh Prabh! They pass [that test], the cheaters meet the defeat. Thus Almighty has established the Justice system.

What is this all talk about justice? Indeed, there is His justice established [stanza 2]. It is stated in very simple language that after death the soul is taken to have justice as per the deeds it has done through the given body, and without caring of the bewailing of the soul, justice is served. What kind of justice, Guru doesn’t specify that save for hinting about bad time; it is again left to Him because it is His realm. Now talking about the incarnation, why Guru Nanak Dev is saying all that stuff which occurs after death? Why he has to go into so much detail about what occurs after death? As stated earlier, there are some people who say that Gurus and Bhagatas didn’t want to get into controversy about all this so they kept giving references about the incarnation. Wait a minute, where is the proof of this assumption? We all know that in their Bani, they openly question many prevailed concepts and beliefs without caring about the controversies or anger of other people with opposite views, then, why only in case of “incarnation” they should become hesitant. In reality, they have a concept of the Creator, His Ordinance and a path that leads to merge with the Creator; they believe that there are those who are into Maya, and He keeps them into Maya through various existences; there are those who are into His love, He takes them out of this cycle to keep them with Him. How it occurs, they keep explaining through various Shabadas.

If the concept of incarnation is taken out of Gurbani, how the importance of “Naam – Simran” can be defined? In Gurbani, the “Naam – Simran” is done solely to have His grace to get united with Him and not to get into a womb again. As a matter of fact, Sikhi is not designed to satisfy scientific minds; it is all about experience of the Guru who envisions the Creator, and enables the followers to envision Him certainly within and out [If the followers sincerely follow the Guru].

Remaining in Maya - love leads to various existences. Once it is abandoned, the Creator is envisioned. If He is envisioned, interest in Maya goes away; when interest in Maya is gone, going into existence stops.

Systematically Guru Nanak Dev expresses this whole concept of His path on 1030 SGGS

ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਗੁਰ ਬਚਨੀ ਬੋਲਹੁ ॥ ਸੰਤ ਸਭਾ ਮਹਿ ਇਹੁ ਰਸੁ ਟੋਲਹੁ ॥ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਖੋਜਿ ਲਹਹੁ ਘਰੁ ਅਪਨਾ ਬਹੁੜਿ ਨ ਗਰਭ ਮਝਾਰਾ ਹੇ ॥੪॥
Rām nām gur bacẖnī bolhu. Sanṯ sabẖā mėh ih ras tolahu. Gurmaṯ kẖoj lahhu gẖar apnā bahuṛ na garabẖ majẖārā he. ||4||

In Essence: Utter the Name of all pervading Creator through Guru Shabada; find His Name – nectar in the company of Saints. Find your real place [with our origin, the Creator] through Guru - guidance and you will not caste into a womb again. [In the end a hint is given about stability of the soul]

(ਹੇ ਭਾਈ!) ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਦੀ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰੋ (ਆਤਮਕ ਆਨੰਦ ਮਿਲੇਗਾ, ਪਰ ਇਹ ਆਨੰਦ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ) ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਇਸ ਆਨੰਦ ਦੀ ਭਾਲ ਕਰੋ। ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਮਤਿ ਤੇ ਤੁਰ ਕੇ ਆਪਣਾ ਉਹ ਆਤਮਕ ਟਿਕਾਣਾ ਲੱਭੋ ਜਿਥੇ ਪਹੁੰਚ ਕੇ ਮੁੜ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਨਾਹ ਪੈਣਾ ਪਏ।੪।

Gurmat revolves around this concept which is based on the idea of suffering through bonds of Maya and going through existences; it also gives a solution to end both kinds of sufferings --- Maya bonds and various existences. In above Vaakas, in a nut shell, Guru Nanak Dev has explained his path and the goal of life. Please remember that he refers here to incarnation also because that is a part of his ideology. Why it is repeatedly said that nothing goes with us, there is a valid reason behind that, please read on 191SGGS Mehla 5:

ਸਾਸਿ ਸਾਸਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਮਨਹਿ ਸਮਾਲੇ ॥ ਸੋ ਧਨੁ ਸੰਚਹੁ ਜੋ ਚਾਲੈ ਨਾਲੇ ॥੩॥
Sās sās parabẖ manėh samāle. So ḏẖan sancẖahu jo cẖālai nāle. ||3||

In Essence: With every breath, keep Prabh in the heart, gather the wealth [the wealth of Naam] that goes with you.

Where His Name goes with the soul?

(ਹੇ ਮੇਰੇ ਭਾਈ!) ਹਰੇਕ ਸਾਹ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਸਾਂਭ ਰੱਖ। ਉਹ (ਨਾਮ-) ਧਨ ਇਕੱਠਾ ਕਰ ਜੇਹੜਾ ਤੇਰੇ ਨਾਲ ਸਾਥ ਕਰੇ।੩।

Above, it is stated clearly that this worldly wealth doesn’t go with us, we see that. How His Name goes with us? Where we go? If there is no incarnation, what Guru ji is talking about here? Isn’t all this about after death scenario?

In Anand Sahib, in very simple way, Guru states that nobody goes with the soul as it departs but Guru –teachings and love of Akalpurakh: On 918 Mehla 3

ਏ ਮਨ ਪਿਆਰਿਆ ਤੂ ਸਦਾ ਸਚੁ ਸਮਾਲੇ ॥ ਏਹੁ ਕੁਟੰਬੁ ਤੂ ਜਿ ਦੇਖਦਾ ਚਲੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਲੇ ॥ ਸਾਥਿ ਤੇਰੈ ਚਲੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਨਾਲਿ ਕਿਉ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਈਐ ॥ ਐਸਾ ਕੰਮੁ ਮੂਲੇ ਨ ਕੀਚੈ ਜਿਤੁ ਅੰਤਿ ਪਛੋਤਾਈਐ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕਾ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਸੁਣਿ ਤੂ ਹੋਵੈ ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਲੇ ॥ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਮਨ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਤੂ ਸਦਾ ਸਚੁ ਸਮਾਲੇ ॥੧੧॥
Ė man pi▫āri▫ā ṯū saḏā sacẖ samāle. Ėhu kutamb ṯū jė ḏekẖ▫ḏā cẖalai nāhī ṯerai nāle. Sāth ṯerai cẖalai nāhī ṯis nāl ki▫o cẖiṯ lā▫ī▫ai. Aisā kamm mūle na kīcẖai jiṯ anṯ pacẖẖoṯā▫ī▫ai. Saṯgurū kā upḏes suṇ ṯū hovai ṯerai nāle. Kahai Nānak man pi▫āre ṯū saḏā sacẖ samāle. ||11||


In Essence: Oh my mind! Always contemplate on the Eternal Almighty. This family you behold will not go with you (as you depart from here, it won't). When it will not depart along with you, why to get attached to it? Never do a deed upon which one has to repent eventually. Listen to True Guru Instruction, it shall be with you. Nanak says oh dear mind! Always meditate on the Eternal Akalpurakh.

Again my question is, where do we go after death? Why only Guru – teachings and His love go with us?

These answers can be found in the following Guru Vaakas on 62 SGGS Sri Raag, Mehla 1

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਚਿਤੇ ਦਿਸਹਿ ਧਉਲਹਰ ਬਗੇ ਬੰਕ ਦੁਆਰ ॥ ਕਰਿ ਮਨ ਖੁਸੀ ਉਸਾਰਿਆ ਦੂਜੈ ਹੇਤਿ ਪਿਆਰਿ ॥ ਅੰਦਰੁ ਖਾਲੀ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਬਿਨੁ ਢਹਿ ਢੇਰੀ ਤਨੁ ਛਾਰੁ ॥੧॥
Sirīrāg mėhlā 1. Cẖiṯe ḏisėh ḏẖa▫ulhar bage bank ḏu▫ār. Kar man kẖusī usāri▫ā ḏūjai heṯ pi▫ār. Anḏar kẖālī parem bin dẖėh dẖerī ṯan cẖẖār. ||1||

In Essence: The entire painted mansion with white - washed beautiful doors we see, were constructed to please the mind in Maya – love [It was all a game of Maya – love]. This body crumbles without the love of Akalpurakh.
Interestingly, both the beautiful mansions and body devoted to Maya crumble here [there is nothing in them that a departing soul can take with it], both don’t go with the soul; this idea is elaborated further in the next Guru Vaakas:

ਹੇ ਮਨ! ਜਿਵੇਂ ਬੜੇ ਚਾਉ ਨਾਲ ਉਸਾਰੇ ਹੋਏ ਚਿੱਤਰੇ ਹੋਏ ਮਹਲ-ਮਾੜੀਆਂ (ਸੁੰਦਰ) ਦਿੱਸਦੇ ਹਨ, ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਸਫ਼ੈਦ ਬਾਂਕੇ ਦਰਵਾਜ਼ੇ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਨ। (ਪਰ ਜੇ ਉਹ ਅੰਦਰੋਂ ਖ਼ਾਲੀ ਰਹਿਣ ਤਾਂ ਢਹਿ ਕੇ ਢੇਰੀ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ, ਤਿਵੇਂ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਮੋਹ ਵਿਚ ਪਿਆਰ ਵਿਚ (ਇਹ ਸਰੀਰ) ਪਾਲੀਦਾ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਜੇ ਹਿਰਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਤੋਂ ਸੱਖਣਾ ਹੈ, ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਹੈ, ਤਾਂ ਇਹ ਸਰੀਰ ਢਹਿ ਕੇ ਢੇਰੀ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ (ਵਿਅਰਥ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ)।੧।

ਭਾਈ ਰੇ ਤਨੁ ਧਨੁ ਸਾਥਿ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਨੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੋ ਗੁਰੁ ਦਾਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਸੋਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Bẖā▫ī re ṯan ḏẖan sāth na ho▫e. Rām nām ḏẖan nirmalo gur ḏāṯ kare parabẖ so▫e. ||1|| rahā▫o.

In Essence: Oh Brother! The body and the wealth do not accompany with anyone. The Name of All pervading Prabh is the only pure wealth which is gifted through Guru by Him. {Pause] [The word pure is used for His Name because unlike other wealth it goes with the soul, this is understood if the whole context is kept in the mind while reading these Guru Vaakas]


ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਇਹ ਸਰੀਰ ਇਹ ਧਨ (ਜਗਤ ਤੋਂ ਚਲਣ ਵੇਲੇ) ਨਾਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਨਿਭਦਾ। ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ (ਐਸਾ) ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਧਨ ਹੈ (ਜੋ ਸਦਾ ਨਾਲ ਨਿਭਦਾ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਇਹ ਮਿਲਦਾ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਹੈ) ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਉਹ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾਤਿ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ।੧।ਰਹਾਉ।


ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਨੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੋ ਜੇ ਦੇਵੈ ਦੇਵਣਹਾਰੁ ॥ ਆਗੈ ਪੂਛ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜਿਸੁ ਬੇਲੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ॥ ਆਪਿ ਛਡਾਏ ਛੁਟੀਐ ਆਪੇ ਬਖਸਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੨॥
Rām nām ḏẖan nirmalo je ḏevai ḏevaṇhār. Āgai pūcẖẖ na hova▫ī jis belī gur karṯār. Āp cẖẖadā▫e cẖẖutī▫ai āpe bakẖsaṇhār. ||2||

In Essence: The Name of Almighty is pure; one gets it if the Giver gives. Whose friends are the Guru and Akalpurakh, is not questioned hereafter because the Creator Himself saves the mortal and forgives.

Why His Name is pure wealth? It is so because it goes with the soul, unlike the wealth and the body. What does mean by “ਆਗੈ Āgai/ hereafter, next? It is about after life time.

ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਧਨ ਹੈ (ਤਦੋਂ ਹੀ ਮਿਲਦਾ ਹੈ) ਜੇ ਦੇਣ ਦੇ ਸਮਰੱਥ ਹਰੀ ਆਪ ਦੇਵੇ। (ਨਾਮ-ਧਨ ਹਾਸਲ ਕਰਨ ਵਿਚ) ਜਿਸ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਈ ਗੁਰੂ ਆਪ ਬਣੇ, ਕਰਤਾਰ ਆਪ ਬਣੇ, ਪਰਲੋਕ ਵਿਚ ਉਸ ਉੱਤੇ ਕੋਈ ਇਤਰਾਜ਼ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੁੰਦਾ। ਪਰ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਮੋਹ ਤੋਂ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਬਚਾਏ ਤਾਂ ਬਚ ਸਕੀਦਾ ਹੈ, ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਬਖ਼ਸ਼ਸ਼ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲਾ ਹੈ।੨।

Please note it down, first Guru states about the big things created in the love of Maya and then advises his followers that without His love everything crumbles {because of being perishable]. His Name only is pure wealth. The mortal who is lucky to have friendship [exceedingly being close] of Guru and the Creator, is free from any questioning to be occurred hereafter because the Creator Himself saves and forgives such mortal. This thought can become easier to understand if we recall the second and the third stanzas of Asa Dee Var quoted above in which Guru Nanak Dev says that one’s deeds are subject to His justice. Once, one gets involved in Him through Guru and ignore the Maya - love, this “hereafter – questioning” is eliminated. Now look at another Guru Vaakas to understand how after death, Maya – lovers appear looted; contrarily, Prabh - lovers loose nothing but gain by having His Name with them; these Vaakas are on 756 SGGS Mehla 3

ਸੁਇਨਾ ਰੁਪਾ ਪਾਪ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਸੰਚੀਐ ਚਲੈ ਨ ਚਲਦਿਆ ਨਾਲਿ ॥ ਵਿਣੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਨ ਚਲਸੀ ਸਭ ਮੁਠੀ ਜਮਕਾਲਿ ॥੨੭॥
Su▫inā rupā pāp kar kar sancẖī▫ai cẖalai na cẖalḏi▫ā nāl. viṇ nāvai nāl na cẖalsī sabẖ muṯẖī jamkāl. ||27||

In Essence: Gold and Silver [wealth] are gathered by committing sins; however, they don’t go with [when one dies]. Except the Name of Akalpurakh, nothing goes with the mortals, all are plundered by death.

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! (ਕਈ ਕਿਸਮ ਦੇ) ਪਾਪ ਕਰ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਸੋਨਾ ਚਾਂਦੀ (ਆਦਿਕ ਧਨ) ਇਕੱਠਾ ਕਰੀਦਾ ਹੈ, ਪਰ (ਜਗਤ ਤੋਂ) ਤੁਰਨ ਵੇਲੇ (ਉਹ ਧਨ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੇ) ਨਾਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਂਦਾ। ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਹੋਰ ਕੋਈ ਭੀ ਚੀਜ਼ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਵੇਗੀ। ਨਾਮ ਤੋਂ ਸੁੰਞੀ ਸਾਰੀ ਲੁਕਾਈ ਆਤਮਕ ਮੌਤ ਦੀ ਹੱਥੀ ਲੁੱਟੀ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ (ਆਪਣਾ ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਲੁਟਾ ਬੈਠਦੀ ਹੈ)।੨੭।

ਮਨ ਕਾ ਤੋਸਾ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੈ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਰਖਹੁ ਸਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਲਿ ॥ ਏਹੁ ਖਰਚੁ ਅਖੁਟੁ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਿਬਹੈ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੨੮॥
Man kā ṯosā har nām hai hirḏai rakẖahu samĥāl. Ėhu kẖaracẖ akẖut hai gurmukẖ nibhai nāl. ||28||

In Essence: For the journey, Prabh’s Name is real stock, hold on to it carefully. This stock is inexhaustible and it goes a long way with The Guru – followers.

In the above Vaakas, Guru leaves no doubt about what is the need of the soul after death. The rationality cannot help to comprehend the experienced fact.

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਹੀ (ਜੀਵਨ-ਸਫ਼ਰ ਦਾ) ਖ਼ਰਚ ਹੈ। ਇਸ ਸਫ਼ਰ-ਖ਼ਰਚ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਸਾਂਭ ਕੇ ਰੱਖੋ। ਇਹ ਖ਼ਰਚ ਕਦੇ ਮੁੱਕਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ। ਜੇਹੜਾ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਦੱਸੇ ਰਸਤੇ ਉਤੇ ਤੁਰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਸ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਇਹ ਸਦਾ ਲਈ ਸਾਥ ਬਣਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ।੨੮।

Why those people who gather wealth get robbed off it by the death? Why Guru – followers, who hold on to His Name, are not affected in this regard when they also face the death? The answer is very simple: when Maya – lovers depart, they leave behind everything they gathered by committing so many sins; however, Guru - followers lose nothing when they depart because they don’t gather or get attached to it to worry about it, but they take His Name with them, and thus His Name helps them in the end too. Again, “after death – talk” is done here. In Gurmat, in fact, the concept of incarnation is stressed. It is repeatedly said that those who do not hold on to His Name are subject to cycle of birth and death. It is impossible to deny it through guessed explanations. On 761 – 762 SGGS, Mehla 5, reasons are given for this incarnation belief:

ਸੋਧਤ ਸੋਧਤ ਸੋਧਿ ਤਤੁ ਬੀਚਾਰਿਆ ॥ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨਾ ਸੁਖੁ ਨਾਹਿ ਸਰਪਰ ਹਾਰਿਆ ॥੪॥
Soḏẖaṯ soḏẖaṯ soḏẖ ṯaṯ bīcẖāri▫ā. Nām binā sukẖ nāhi sarpar hāri▫ā. ||4||

In Essence: By repeatedly analyzing it, I have understood this fact that without Prabh’s Name, there is no peace but a sure defeat.

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਚੰਗੀ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਪੜਤਾਲ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਨਿਰਨਾ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਅਸੀਂ ਇਸ ਅਸਲੀਅਤ ਉਤੇ ਪਹੁੰਚੇ ਹਾਂ ਕਿ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਆਤਮਕ ਆਨੰਦ ਨਹੀਂ ਮਿਲ ਸਕਦਾ। ਨਾਮ ਤੋਂ ਵਾਂਜੇ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਜ਼ਰੂਰ (ਮਨੁੱਖਾ ਜਨਮ ਦੀ ਬਾਜ਼ੀ) ਹਾਰ ਕੇ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ।੪।


ਆਵਹਿ ਜਾਹਿ ਅਨੇਕ ਮਰਿ ਮਰਿ ਜਨਮਤੇ ॥ ਬਿਨੁ ਬੂਝੇ ਸਭੁ ਵਾਦਿ ਜੋਨੀ ਭਰਮਤੇ ॥੫॥
Āvahi jāhi anek mar mar janmaṯe. Bin būjẖe sabẖ vāḏ jonī bẖarmaṯe. ||5||

In Essence: Many come and go and repeatedly die to be born again. Without knowing the Creator, all their efforts are useless; consequently, they wander through existences.

(ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਤੋਂ ਖੁੰਝ ਕੇ) ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ (ਮੁੜ ਮੁੜ) ਜੰਮਦੇ ਹਨ ਮਰਦੇ ਹਨ। ਆਤਮਕ ਮੌਤ ਸਹੇੜ ਸਹੇੜ ਕੇ ਮੁੜ ਮੁੜ ਜਨਮ ਲੈਂਦੇ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ। (ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਦੀ) ਸੂਝ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਸਾਰਾ ਹੀ ਉੱਦਮ ਵਿਅਰਥ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਹ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਜੂਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਭਟਕਦੇ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ।੫।


By all means, what Guru says here cannot be verified with any rational measure, but being His followers, we must believe what he says if we want to be successful in pursuing Guru – path. Being Sikhs, If rationality still bothers us, it is obvious that our rationality is our Guru not Guru Nanak dev. If incarnation is not a part of Sikhi, then why in Gurbani, inevitable - questioning after death on the deeds is refereed to? If this wealth and body do not go with us, why His Name and Guru – teachings said to go with us? Where we go with His Name? Why so much stress is given on “after – death”? Why detachment to Maya is mandatory? Why Guru also talks about a state of mind where acknowledgment of the genders disappears [685 SGGS Mehla 1]? Why Guru stresses on “luck”? In rationality, there is no luck but coincidence. In Gurbani, destiny is repeatedly referred. Besides, His grace and meeting of the Guru, are left solely on “luck.”

There is no proof in Sri Guru Granth Sahib where Guru speaks against the concept of incarnation; instead, Guru verifies it repeatedly. Those people who truly want to follow The Guru, must understand this fact once for all that without attaching to Him, our souls do not get stability [That is what Guru says repeatedly]. Those who are denial about this concept of incarnation, let them enjoy the swings of their own coined philosophy. Remember the following Guru Vaakas on 40 SGGS Mehla 4

ਬਿਨੁ ਭਾਗਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਨਾ ਮਿਲੈ ਘਰਿ ਬੈਠਿਆ ਨਿਕਟਿ ਨਿਤ ਪਾਸਿ ॥ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਅਗਿਆਨ ਦੁਖੁ ਭਰਮੁ ਹੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਪੜਦਾ ਦੂਰਿ ਪਈਆਸਿ ॥ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਭੇਟੇ ਕੰਚਨੁ ਨਾ ਥੀਐ ਮਨਮੁਖੁ ਲੋਹੁ ਬੂਡਾ ਬੇੜੀ ਪਾਸਿ ॥੩॥
Bin bẖāgā saṯgur nā milai gẖar baiṯẖi▫ā nikat niṯ pās. Anṯar agi▫ān ḏukẖ bẖaram hai vicẖ paṛ▫ḏā ḏūr pa▫ī▫ās. Bin saṯgur bẖete kancẖan nā thī▫ai manmukẖ lohu būdā beṛī pās. ||3||

In Essence: Without luck, True Guru is not met even if one sits daily near Guru in the house. [Why? The answer follows]. Because within is ignorance and doubts, a curtain is drawn, and the Creator appears far away. Without meeting [truly meeting means following True Guru without a doubt] True Guru, the mortal doesn’t become gold [doesn’t obtain virtues]. Without following Guru, like the iron, the mortal drowns even though the Guru - boat is close by.[It is matter of following the True Guru sincerely]

ਚੰਗੀ ਕਿਸਮਤਿ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਹੀਂ ਮਿਲਦਾ (ਤੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਮਿਲਾਪ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੁੰਦਾ, ਭਾਵੇਂ) ਸਾਡੇ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਬੈਠਾ ਹਰ ਵੇਲੇ ਸਾਡੇ ਨੇੜੇ ਹੈ, ਸਾਡੇ ਕੋਲ ਹੈ। ਜਿਸ ਜੀਵ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਅਗਿਆਨਤਾ (ਦੇ ਹਨੇਰੇ) ਦਾ ਦੁੱਖ ਟਿਕਿਆ ਰਹੇ, ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੀ ਭਟਕਣੀ ਲੱਗੀ ਰਹੇ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਮੋਹ ਦਾ ਤੇ ਭਟਕਣਾ ਦਾ ਪਰਦਾ ਬਣਿਆ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਉਸ ਦੀ ਜਿੰਦ ਅੰਦਰ-ਵੱਸਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਦੂਰ ਪਈ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ ਹੈ। ਆਪਣੇ ਮਨ ਦੇ ਪਿੱਛੇ ਤੁਰਨ ਵਾਲਾ ਮਨੁੱਖ (ਮਾਨੋ) ਲੋਹਾ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਗੁਰੂ-ਪਾਰਸ ਨੂੰ ਮਿਲਣ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਸੋਨਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਬਣ ਸਕਦਾ, ਗੁਰੂ-ਬੇੜੀ ਉਸ ਮਨਮੁਖ-ਲੋਹੇ ਦੇ ਪਾਸ ਹੀ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਉਹ (ਵਿਕਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਨਦੀ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ) ਡੁੱਬਦਾ ਹੈ।੩।

Sikhi s not about science, Sikhi is about a spiritual experience with the Creator. It is designed to be one with the Creator from whom we all emanate. It is explained what is the cause of this separation, and it is also explained how one gets out of Creator’s staged show. Whom He keeps in the show are those who are totally lost in Maya through various existences; even while following Guru they never get rid of their own thinking which is deeply cemented in their intellectually flavored conceit. Those whom He takes out of this show with His grace are the ones who, even being very much present in His Maya Show, remain detached to it by rejecting its influences and giving up their own thoughts. Those who want to convince the scientists regarding Sikhi must understand that no religion or a faith or the concept of the Creator is based on scientific standard anyway. It is a Message Guru Nanak Dev directly received from the Creator by experiencing Him [Majh Kee Vaar Stanza 27 150 SGGS] and has passed on to others.

A dear friend of mine wrote to me lately: Gurbani is not for preaching but experiencing. Indeed, it is only for experiencing.

Punjabi interpretation is by Dr Sahib Singh Ji

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I don't quite have enough time to read the entire article you posted, I have only read a quarter of it and the chances of me understanding it all are very slim. I get what the writer is saying with all of the hyper-rational stuff, but I don't think the person has quite understood where most of the people are coming from. They don't believe that reincarnation is wrong because they wish to make religion scientific or something, but quite frankily is there no possibility whatsoever that the reason there are references to reincarnation is because it would help Hindus to relate to something. Reincarnation may have been used because it refers to ideas which are most easily understood through the idea of reincarnation, without necessarily claiming reincarnation to be the truth. I've read quotes from the Guru Granth Sahib Ji that even refer to hell, yet for some reason we don't believe in hell (in the sense of it being a place for evil people to go to) yet we believe in the references to reincarnation?

Some hyper – rational people say that the talk about incarnation is there because Gurus and Bhagatas didn’t want to get into a controversy openly, so they used it as metaphors or references to established thoughts [It is totally laughable idea though]. I wonder what are they are thinking! In fact, all enlightened ones have been into controversy due to their different approach towards life than the rest of the population; History verifies it.

I don't think the Guru's referred to reincarnation to prevent offense to people as claimed in the article, but I do think it was used to deal with the issues of that time, the issues being that the Hindu people who read the Guru Granth Sahib Ji would have found it easier to understand the idea if there are references to things that are familiar to them.
 
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Baljeet Singh Ji ,
Some of the beliefs are common in all of the Indic( Hinduism , Jianism , Buddhism, Sikhism ) religions which are as follows :
Reincarnation
Like Hinduism Sikhims believes in the transmigration of the soul. There are countless cycles of births and deaths. One only breaks this cycle when they achieve mukhti (merger with God)

Karma
Karma regulates the reincarnation and transmigration of the soul, Sikhism links Karma with the doctrine of Grace.

"Mortals obtain a human body as a result of good deeds but he reaches the gate of salvation with God's kind grace." (Guru Nanak, Japji)

Maya
The world is just an illusion and some get enchanted with this illusion and forget God.

http://www.searchsikhism.com/hind21.html

Not only Hindus and Sikhs believe in transmigration but in old times Egyptians and Greeks also believed in this. Druid Padres of England and philosophers like Pythagoras and Empedocles also believed in transmigration.
If you have any fears of diluting of Sikh identity pls visit the following link by Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha Ji written in 1898 .
http://www.searchsikhism.com/hinduism.html
 

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I am going to walk out on a big limb here and risk what many internet sites refer to as "the wrath of the panth." with my remarks. :) But maybe not, because there may be a large sector of the panth who share my questions and concerns.

It is arguable that concepts like Maya, karma and reincarnation are identical across all dharmic faiths (Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc.). Yes there are similarities. But are they identical? I don't think they are. And what is missing from most discussions I have read is a careful and systematic analysis of how the are different.

Now also I have to express concern. When any discussion is proposed about reincarnation and karma in Sikhism, too often those who veer from commonly accepted interpretations of gurbani are described as making "manmukh" statements. Or they are described as yielding to the rational intellect and becoming slaves of "munn." Which is ad hominem argument and not helpful for people who want a deep understanding of their path of Sikhi.

IMHO this discussion needs to continue because, within Sikhism there is no central body, as there is in many Christian faiths, that decide once and for all times what these concepts are supposed to mean for Sikhs. Thus we have many scholarly works, that are read by some but not all, and their authors draw different conclusions. And we have nothing like a consensual forum where various points can be considered all in one place and debated all in one place. Instead we have web sites and blogs where pronouncements are offered, and disagreement is not tolerated. Thus there is no real way of respecting the need for a shared discourse on these matters.


Now speaking personally - I have come within seconds of death on 2 occasions in my life, and am now at an age when death is not hypothetical but a very real and pressing reality. Still I am not convinced that the Sikh view of reincarnation is the same as the Hindu view. And I am not convinced that the tuks that are pulled from Sri Guru Granth Sahib to "prove"are being interpreted correctly.

Often supporting tuaks are taken from the context of the larger shabad. And why should I or anyone else believe that Person X has the right meaning and Person Y is manmukh? As I said earlier these understandings are coming from far and wide-- from this blog and that web site and another e-journal -- and are written by people who are sincere and learned, but in the end they are expressing views that are not signed and sealed by authorities. And that is what is good about Sikhi. We are asked to contemplate and reconsider from the perspective of gurbani. There are no authorities to sign and seal. So reincarnation and karma are at rock bottom still open to debate.

Mostly my fear is always that debate which is so central to our faith will be stymied. So I want to end by asking some questions - and any and all are free to think me stupid and dull if they will. it is OK.

1. How is the Hindu view of karma different from the Sikh view of karma (if they are different)?

2. How is the Hindu view of reincarnation different from the Sikh view of reincarnation (if they are different)?

3. Is belief in reincarnation central to the practice of Sikhism? If it is central, then why so?

4. Karma and reincarnation in the Manusmriti clearly cement the ideas of karma and rebirth within the caste system. This makes the caste system a path to spiritual evolution which requires many lifetimes. One cannot skip steps unless one achieves mukhti. Is this consistent with the teachings of Guru Nanak?

5. In Sikhi is it possible to "cleanse our karma" as it is in many branches of the Hindu path. Do we cleanse our karma through suffering, illness, disease and misfortune. For example, will small-pox and its disfigurement remove the samskars that stick to us from former lives and speed our passage to a higher spiritual stage? Does Sikhism adhere to this view?

6. Do children who are victims of war and famine, or women who are victims of horrific disfigurement at the hands of their husbands, suffer because of previous karmas? Does their suffering clean them up according to gurmat?

7. Should Dalits be content with their condition because they have been blessed with an opportunity to learn the spiritual lessons of humility as their required spiritual state before they can move on? Did Guru Nanak agree that Dalits need to undergo spiritual transformations in this way?

If these are not serious questions in the context of this discussion, Please forgive me. I am not trying to me either "intelligent" or frivolous.
 

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I am going to walk out on a big limb here and risk what many internet sites refer to as "the wrath of the panth." with my remarks. :) But maybe not, because there may be a large sector of the panth who share my questions and concerns.

It is arguable that concepts like Maya, karma and reincarnation are identical across all dharmic faiths (Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc.). Yes there are similarities. But are they identical? I don't think they are. And what is missing from most discussions I have read is a careful and systematic analysis of how the are different.

Now also I have to express concern. When any discussion is proposed about reincarnation and karma in Sikhism, too often those who veer from commonly accepted interpretations of gurbani are described as making "manmukh" statements. Or they are described as yielding to the rational intellect and becoming slaves of "munn." Which is ad hominem argument and not helpful for people who want a deep understanding of their path of Sikhi.

IMHO this discussion needs to continue because, within Sikhism there is no central body, as there is in many Christian faiths, that decide once and for all times what these concepts are supposed to mean for Sikhs. Thus we have many scholarly works, that are read by some but not all, and their authors draw different conclusions. And we have nothing like a consensual forum where various points can be considered all in one place and debated all in one place. Instead we have web sites and blogs where pronouncements are offered, and disagreement is not tolerated. Thus there is no real way of respecting the need for a shared discourse on these matters.


Now speaking personally - I have come within seconds of death on 2 occasions in my life, and am now at an age when death is not hypothetical but a very real and pressing reality. Still I am not convinced that the Sikh view of reincarnation is the same as the Hindu view. And I am not convinced that the tuks that are pulled from Sri Guru Granth Sahib to "prove"are being interpreted correctly.

Often supporting tuaks are taken from the context of the larger shabad. And why should I or anyone else believe that Person X has the right meaning and Person Y is manmukh? As I said earlier these understandings are coming from far and wide-- from this blog and that web site and another e-journal -- and are written by people who are sincere and learned, but in the end they are expressing views that are not signed and sealed by authorities. And that is what is good about Sikhi. We are asked to contemplate and reconsider from the perspective of gurbani. There are no authorities to sign and seal. So reincarnation and karma are at rock bottom still open to debate.

Mostly my fear is always that debate which is so central to our faith will be stymied. So I want to end by asking some questions - and any and all are free to think me stupid and dull if they will. it is OK.

1. How is the Hindu view of karma different from the Sikh view of karma (if they are different)?

2. How is the Hindu view of reincarnation different from the Sikh view of reincarnation (if they are different)?

3. Is belief in reincarnation central to the practice of Sikhism? If it is central, then why so?

4. Karma and reincarnation in the Manusmriti clearly cement the ideas of karma and rebirth within the caste system. This makes the caste system a path to spiritual evolution which requires many lifetimes. One cannot skip steps unless one achieves mukhti. Is this consistent with the teachings of Guru Nanak?

5. In Sikhi is it possible to "cleanse our karma" as it is in many branches of the Hindu path. Do we cleanse our karma through suffering, illness, disease and misfortune. For example, will small-pox and its disfigurement remove the samskars that stick to us from former lives and speed our passage to a higher spiritual stage? Does Sikhism adhere to this view?

6. Do children who are victims of war and famine, or women who are victims of horrific disfigurement at the hands of their husbands, suffer because of previous karmas? Does their suffering clean them up according to gurmat?

7. Should Dalits be content with their condition because they have been blessed with an opportunity to learn the spiritual lessons of humility as their required spiritual state before they can move on? Did Guru Nanak agree that Dalits need to undergo spiritual transformations in this way?

If these are not serious questions in the context of this discussion, Please forgive me. I am not trying to me either "intelligent" or frivolous.

Narayanjot ji,

Guru Fateh.

Thanks for this wonderful thought that you have shared with us. It is really enlightening. Now, many readers know my view on reincarnation through many posts where the subject has been discussed. They can be found in this forum.

To put it more bluntly, the concept of reincarnation is just a belief that our Gurus did acknowledge its existence in the prevailing religions of that time, mainly Hinduism and Islam.But they also subtly rejected this concept for a Sikh, in Sikhi. Every Shabad that mentions reincarnation ends like this and I am only paraphrasing it. Anyone who follows the Sikhi path can get rid of this belief called reincarnation otherwise one keeps on wrestling in this mental mud.

As, reincarnation is nothing more than a belief and can be gotten rid of through the understanding of Gurbani, then the Karams have also nothing to do with past lives as in other religions. We reap what we sow here in this world. That is why there is nothing like Hell and Heaven in Sikhi which would be linked to Karams of the past lives.

Allow me to share with you how Sikhs take this, even in my own family because of the ingrained hindutva which our Gurus tried their best to get rid of from us.

About 2 years ago, my oldest sister visited me with her husband and stayed for 2 months as they usually do and we always have a blast because she makes lovely achaars for us and other goodies.

During their last trip, I was told that my niece's son who is very young had epilepsy. The fact is that there are 50 million people who suffer from the same and 125,000 people are diagnosed annually with Epilepsy in the US alone.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_conditions/brain_nervous/epilepsy.html
http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/default.htm

So, the above is the reality that happens to peoples of all walks of lives and faiths.

I was taken aback when both my sister and my brother in law told me matter of factly that, the kid is suffering because of their daughter's bad Karams in previous lives. This really shocked me because every time they come and visit us, we love having Gurmat Vichaar. But this defeatist mentality sounded too ignorant for me to ignore.

It took me a week to make them understand through Gurbani verses that this was not the case because Ik Ong Kaar is not a punisher rather a lover and a forgiver.

I was also able to convince them that this event is not a tragedy but a gift as the kid has such a caring and loving mother who started having migraines because not only her parents, but her in laws and all others had the same mindset of the punishment due to some evils committed by my niece in her previous lives.

Eventually, I called her in front of her parents and told her exactly what I had been able to tell her parents. I call all my nieces as favourite ones because of the relationships we have been able to cultivate. Then the parents talked to her and told her that I was able to convince them via Gurbani about this concocted nonsense.

Luckily, with the help of medicine,time and in the change of mindset towards pragmatism, the boy is doing much better and my niece has no more migraines.

Thanks for allowing me to share my story.

Tejwant Singh.
 

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Tejwant ji

Your story is haunting and it is magnificent. Especially the end when you observe that children who are special in some way, be it epilepsy or mental retardation or autism or a physical impairment, are gifts to us. They help the rest of us find our godly center, where we can learn to be loving, supportive, and open to every particle of creation, even the particles that don't look quite right to us at the time. We are transformed by them.

I am no expert on karma or on reincarnation. Just wondering aloud how it could be that Guru Nanak, a relentless teacher, would teach that Ik Oan Kaar is Creative, Supportive and Nurturing always, except when karams are concerned.

The idea of recycling through joon after joon , to cleanse our karmas and spiritually evolve, cannot be untangled from the caste system, as found in Manusmriti and the Ramayana. These two ideas of reincarnation and caste/varna are welded together. The same is not exactly true in Buddhism. And so I only ask, Does Sikhism have a different, unique view? Again, forgive me if I have insulted anyone.
 

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Tejwant ji

Your story is haunting and it is magnificent. Especially the end when you observe that children who are special in some way, be it epilepsy or mental retardation or autism or a physical impairment, are gifts to us. They help the rest of us find our godly center, where we can learn to be loving, supportive, and open to every particle of creation, even the particles that don't look quite right to us at the time. We are transformed by them.

I am no expert on karma or on reincarnation. Just wondering aloud how it could be that Guru Nanak, a relentless teacher, would teach that Ik Oan Kaar is Creative, Supportive and Nurturing always, except when karams are concerned.

The idea of recycling through joon after joon , to cleanse our karmas and spiritually evolve, cannot be untangled from the caste system, as found in Manusmriti and the Ramayana. These two ideas of reincarnation and caste/varna are welded together. The same is not exactly true in Buddhism. And so I only ask, Does Sikhism have a different, unique view? Again, forgive me if I have insulted anyone.


Narayanjot ji,

Guru Fateh.

Questioning is part and parcel of Sikhi hence never offensive.

What I understand through Gurbani regarding Karams-deeds is what we call Works in Christianity.

The three rules of thumb that Guru Nanak created for us so that we can have a fruitful life are nothing but Karams.

Here are the 3 Karams that Guru Nanak emphasised and urged us to base our lives on:

1. Naam Japnah
2. Kirat Karni
3. Vand kei chaknah.

The above 3 Karams practiced in our daily lives give us the results and we reap their fruits in this very life. They have nothing to do with our past and hence, past is not a hanger where our future is hanging on.

If our Karams are to breed negative energy in us rather than the positive one with the help of the above 3, then we reap the fruits of that negative energy.

The other example of the Karams is to learn how to lasso the 5 thieves- Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh and Hankaar. Once we learn through our Works how to lasso them, then we can find the sehaj- the Gurmat fulcrum within which is the result of the Karams to be able to lasso these 5 thieves with the help of our tool box, SGGS, our only Guru.

If we are not able to do that, then life is nothing but filled with upheavals.

All this happens in this very life that we know, live and are aware of.

No one knows about anything else.

Regards and thanks for letting me think aloud.

Tejwant Singh
 
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Tejwant Ji ,
I request you to kindly contact G Singh Ji on his blog
http://gursoch.blogspot.com/
or contact by mail at gursoch@yahoo.com
There are a number of schools of thought who are in no doubt regarding the acceptance of transmigration of human soul belief in Sikhism including Sikh Missionary College , Ludhiana ,Prof Sahib Singh , Giani Sant Singh Maskeen , Bhai Veer Singh , Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha , Giani Ditt Singh , Giani Pinderpal Singh , Bhai Randheer Singh & host lot of others . However the rejecting persons are all of recent origin post 1984 Kala Afghana , Spokesman Group , Inder Singh Ghagga all branded atheists in garb of Tat Gurmat Scholars mainly backed by Congress . The article of G Singh ji greatly helps to put all the doubts to rest regarding this subject .
 
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