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Thanks everyone for your replies.
If the problem is in the translation, perhaps you can help me get a different perspective with help of the original.
Do the words in fact mean what they mean in English, but Sikhs are expected to have more background knowledge to be able to read between the lines?
Thanks
If the problem is in the translation, perhaps you can help me get a different perspective with help of the original.
If it's ok, can we use this paurhee as an example?
ਹਰਿ ਆਪਣੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕਰਾਇ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੇਖਾਲੀਅਨੁ ॥
हरि आपणी भगति कराइ वडिआई वेखालीअनु ॥
Har āpṇī bẖagaṯ karā▫e vadi▫ā▫ī vekẖāli▫an.
The Lord Himself inspires us to worship Him; He reveals His Glorious Greatness.
ਆਪਣੀ ਆਪਿ ਕਰੇ ਪਰਤੀਤਿ ਆਪੇ ਸੇਵ ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ ॥
आपणी आपि करे परतीति आपे सेव घालीअनु ॥
Āpṇī āp kare parṯīṯ āpe sev gẖālī▫an.
He Himself inspires us to place our faith in Him. Thus He performs His Own Service.
ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਨੋ ਦੇਇ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਥਿਰੁ ਘਰੀ ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ ॥
हरि भगता नो देइ अनंदु थिरु घरी बहालिअनु ॥
Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e anand thir gẖarī bahāli▫an.
The Lord bestows bliss upon His devotees, and gives them a seat in the eternal home.
ਪਾਪੀਆ ਨੋ ਨ ਦੇਈ ਥਿਰੁ ਰਹਣਿ ਚੁਣਿ ਨਰਕ ਘੋਰਿ ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ ॥
पापीआ नो न देई थिरु रहणि चुणि नरक घोरि चालिअनु ॥
Pāpī▫ā no na ḏe▫ī thir rahaṇ cẖuṇ narak gẖor cẖāli▫an.
He does not give the sinners any stability or place of rest; He consigns them to the depths of hell.
ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਨੋ ਦੇਇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਅੰਗੁ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ ॥੧੯॥
हरि भगता नो देइ पिआरु करि अंगु निसतारिअनु ॥१९॥
Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e pi▫ār kar ang nisṯāri▫an. ||19||
The Lord blesses His devotees with His Love; He sides with them and saves them. ||19||
Manmohan Singh's translation for comparison:ਹਰਿ ਆਪਣੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕਰਾਇ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੇਖਾਲੀਅਨੁ ॥
हरि आपणी भगति कराइ वडिआई वेखालीअनु ॥
Har āpṇī bẖagaṯ karā▫e vadi▫ā▫ī vekẖāli▫an.
The Lord Himself inspires us to worship Him; He reveals His Glorious Greatness.
ਆਪਣੀ ਆਪਿ ਕਰੇ ਪਰਤੀਤਿ ਆਪੇ ਸੇਵ ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ ॥
आपणी आपि करे परतीति आपे सेव घालीअनु ॥
Āpṇī āp kare parṯīṯ āpe sev gẖālī▫an.
He Himself inspires us to place our faith in Him. Thus He performs His Own Service.
ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਨੋ ਦੇਇ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਥਿਰੁ ਘਰੀ ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ ॥
हरि भगता नो देइ अनंदु थिरु घरी बहालिअनु ॥
Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e anand thir gẖarī bahāli▫an.
The Lord bestows bliss upon His devotees, and gives them a seat in the eternal home.
ਪਾਪੀਆ ਨੋ ਨ ਦੇਈ ਥਿਰੁ ਰਹਣਿ ਚੁਣਿ ਨਰਕ ਘੋਰਿ ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ ॥
पापीआ नो न देई थिरु रहणि चुणि नरक घोरि चालिअनु ॥
Pāpī▫ā no na ḏe▫ī thir rahaṇ cẖuṇ narak gẖor cẖāli▫an.
He does not give the sinners any stability or place of rest; He consigns them to the depths of hell.
ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਨੋ ਦੇਇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਅੰਗੁ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ ॥੧੯॥
हरि भगता नो देइ पिआरु करि अंगु निसतारिअनु ॥१९॥
Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e pi▫ār kar ang nisṯāri▫an. ||19||
The Lord blesses His devotees with His Love; He sides with them and saves them. ||19||
ਹਰਿ ਆਪਣੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕਰਾਇ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੇਖਾਲੀਅਨੁ ॥
हरि आपणी भगति कराइ वडिआई वेखालीअनु ॥
Har āpṇī bẖagaṯ karā▫e vadi▫ā▫ī vekẖāli▫an.
By putting man to his devotional service, God has manifested His glory.1
ਆਪਣੀ ਆਪਿ ਕਰੇ ਪਰਤੀਤਿ ਆਪੇ ਸੇਵ ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ ॥
आपणी आपि करे परतीति आपे सेव घालीअनु ॥
Āpṇī āp kare parṯīṯ āpe sev gẖālī▫an.
God causes the devotee to place faith in Him and through him performs His own service.
ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਨੋ ਦੇਇ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਥਿਰੁ ਘਰੀ ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ ॥
हरि भगता नो देइ अनंदु थिरु घरी बहालिअनु ॥
Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e anand thir gẖarī bahāli▫an.
God bestows bliss on His faithful adorers and seats them in the eternal home.
ਪਾਪੀਆ ਨੋ ਨ ਦੇਈ ਥਿਰੁ ਰਹਣਿ ਚੁਣਿ ਨਰਕ ਘੋਰਿ ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ ॥
पापीआ नो न देई थिरु रहणि चुणि नरक घोरि चालिअनु ॥
Pāpī▫ā no na ḏe▫ī thir rahaṇ cẖuṇ narak gẖor cẖāli▫an.
To the sinners He allows not stability. Picking them up, He consigns them to the terrible hell.
ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਨੋ ਦੇਇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਅੰਗੁ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ ॥੧੯॥
हरि भगता नो देइ पिआरु करि अंगु निसतारिअनु ॥१९॥
Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e pi▫ār kar ang nisṯāri▫an. ||19||
The Lord blesses His devotees, with His love and taking their side saves them.
The word-for-word translations seem to match the original words. Is there something lost in the poetry or subtlety?हरि आपणी भगति कराइ वडिआई वेखालीअनु ॥
Har āpṇī bẖagaṯ karā▫e vadi▫ā▫ī vekẖāli▫an.
By putting man to his devotional service, God has manifested His glory.1
ਆਪਣੀ ਆਪਿ ਕਰੇ ਪਰਤੀਤਿ ਆਪੇ ਸੇਵ ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ ॥
आपणी आपि करे परतीति आपे सेव घालीअनु ॥
Āpṇī āp kare parṯīṯ āpe sev gẖālī▫an.
God causes the devotee to place faith in Him and through him performs His own service.
ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਨੋ ਦੇਇ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਥਿਰੁ ਘਰੀ ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ ॥
हरि भगता नो देइ अनंदु थिरु घरी बहालिअनु ॥
Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e anand thir gẖarī bahāli▫an.
God bestows bliss on His faithful adorers and seats them in the eternal home.
ਪਾਪੀਆ ਨੋ ਨ ਦੇਈ ਥਿਰੁ ਰਹਣਿ ਚੁਣਿ ਨਰਕ ਘੋਰਿ ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ ॥
पापीआ नो न देई थिरु रहणि चुणि नरक घोरि चालिअनु ॥
Pāpī▫ā no na ḏe▫ī thir rahaṇ cẖuṇ narak gẖor cẖāli▫an.
To the sinners He allows not stability. Picking them up, He consigns them to the terrible hell.
ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਨੋ ਦੇਇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਅੰਗੁ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ ॥੧੯॥
हरि भगता नो देइ पिआरु करि अंगु निसतारिअनु ॥१९॥
Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e pi▫ār kar ang nisṯāri▫an. ||19||
The Lord blesses His devotees, with His love and taking their side saves them.
Do the words in fact mean what they mean in English, but Sikhs are expected to have more background knowledge to be able to read between the lines?
Thanks
