guys why are we goinn soo farr donnt u guys remmeber the sakhi of guru nanak dev ji where he condemned the aarti happening in a mandir...
gagan mai thal rav chand deepak baney.
the sky is the thaal and the sun, moon ann stars are the deevey...
we have the answer in guru granth sahib ji den y are we mislead..
i agree that w.e is happening in sri hajoor sahib is totally wrong it shudnn happen because guru sahib has told us bout the "real aarti" that happens by itself anyways..
sorry if i sed anything rong.. correct me plzz
Well Hindus also wear turban and Muslims also keep beared so we must not have that.
Rather Arti which was there in hindus before Arti of Sikhs was writtan bvut as Hindu do Arti of thier demi gods so we must not do our Arti of Akal.
So there is no ned for Arti at all perhaps.
Das just wants to add that Arti with or without lamps etc. does not matter till we understand it as not a spell.
It is performed both in Patna Sahib and Hajur Sahib just as it was done before in most of the Gurudwaras in past.
Legend says that it was done with lamps just to put defiance to Moghuals who banned Arti of any type with bells and lamps.
Sound and light with bells and fire insted of loud speaker or other electrical lamps etc were just a way to tell at that time people away that some Arti is being performed and let them come and to moghuls that we Sikhs give it a damn to thier dictats and to hindus that real Arti has to be done for Akal and not thier demi gods.
In fact tray is symbol of sky and lamp as son and moon espcialy for Sudras or lower castes who come to Gurudwaras who cannont see Arti in hindu temple in which they are not allowed but can perform this thing in Gurudwara.
It is symbolic and not to do with intrusion of hindusim which is just 80 years old but Arti is from the time of Aurangjeb when he banned the lamp and bells(Sikhs anyway did not ban azan from Muslim moque for similar purpose).At the time of Gurus before Tenth Master it was not done with Lamps.
das does sing Arti after Rahraas Sahib daily even when on move but does not uses lamp etc. but does not find wrong if some old but obsolate tradtions are still done in some Gurudwaras.
Das would like to raise the further questions that say some people tend to say that idols are sleeping and awaken and gives claoth to idols.
so what about our Santokh,Praksah or Rumala on Guru Granth Sahib Ji.That hindu things are still with us.
Sorry for fast words but only intention was to remove insecurty complex in Sikhs like we have in wahabis.
Das is not against if there in ban on so called hindu Arti in Gurudwaras but we must not take this thing in tradition or history as negtive influence.
Yes it can be used by wrong people like say that for poor people Arti with Lamps and bell can cause finacial burdan etc. But there is no such things in those Gurudwaras at present.
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fatehWaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh
as u say that in hazur sahib the hindu aarti was done do u know tjis is not a hindu matt thi is ancient maryada of guru gobind singh ji maharaj u say that u never seen the aarti keshgarh sahib or any other takaht sahib.
u know thi maryada has part of all takhat sahib s of khalsa panth.We do the aarti of guru gobind singh ji & guru granth sahib ji .we do the aarti akkal purakh & who say that this the hindu aarti we never do the aarti of any hindu god in gurudwara .Read thi kabit of Anciet maryada of guru gobind singh ji maharaj
gur ke rijhvae kar pae man ich bar
sodar lagae fir bhog dayo pae ke
pun gur granthi khas pathi fir rahiras ,kari ardas fate adhik gajaik
bandan ko guru granth panth guru bandhyo
pun Aarti uttar prdachana lagae ke
mano grah mandal akhandal dharav juu ke
firat cufere hai badhere chab pae ke
bandh bandh chouki joki gonki sabh sonki singh
sabadh saweye path ,sohila sunaye ke
i think u understand know , u say that u never the aarti in anadpur sahib than u also know that the rehras sahib in anadpur sahib was not sampuran rehras sahib this was incomplete all over gurudwaras of SGPC . here in hazur sahib every thing is done by anciet maryada given by gurur gobind singh ji maharaj
& NoBody can change this . U come here and see the najre of hazur sahib u never seen this in any where .
& U said this rubbish my bro. first of all u want to know what is sikhi go Any dal of nihang singh & see what they do in there gurudwara 's they also the follow the same maryada .
so pls first get the full knowledge & then talk about this
bhula chuka di mafi
Sat Sri Akal to everyone,
Why did shri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji, our beloved ninth Guru, give up their live to protect Hinduism with the pleas of the Pandits? !
Fateh to all my brothers and sisters.
I have not written anything in quiet a while was still suprised to see my thread being circulated and commented on for so long. I DIDN'T REALISE HOW CONTROVERSIAL THIS MATTER IS.
Anyway, i wanted to set a few things straight.
I am not paranoid in terms of my views on AARTI or any such "physical" practices. I am however FIRMLY against such ritualistic practices.
THE REASON WHY I DISAPPROVE OF THE AARTI IS BECAUSE:
1. there is no evidence linking Guru Ji' with the practice of such activities. CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, HOW MANY GURDWARA'S WERE AROUND AT THE GURU'S ACTUAL TIME? For all I know the Harmandir Sahib is the only place that is ACTUALLY known to have existed and set up by our beloved Gurus.
2. Such practices DIVERT our attention and DILUTE the meaning of Sikhi. GURU NANAK started what I percieve as the most LOGICAL and SCIENTIFIC and COMMON SENSE APPROACH to religion and God.
Why do we therefore not understand that doing RITUALS are COMPLETELY USELESS! - Guru Nanak REJECTED aarti, namaz, prayer, etc = WHY BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH GOD IS TO MEDITATE UPON HIS NAME.
GURU JI MAKES COUNTLESS REFERENCES TO THIS POINT = I do not need to quote any verses because if you just start reading the Guru Granth you will find this point rather self-explanatory as the GURUJI REPEATS THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN in different ways and using different methods IN ORDER TO GET THIS MESSAGE ACROSS TO OUR FEABLE HUMAN MINDS!
Please do not take any offence from my DIRECT and some what RUDE approach. I am sorry to be like this, but I am very frustrated at how we SIKHS COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT SOMETIMES!
SIKHS NEED TO GO BACK TO BASICS - BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY IN WHICH WE CAN FIX UP OUR PROBLEMS OF LACK OF EDUCATION IN SIKHI/CORRUPTION IN GURDWARAS/ETC.
SIKHI IS ABOUT LEARNING AND EDUCATING THE MIND! If we manage that as an individual, we have SAVED SIKHI.
Now I am not being offensive to Hindus, but this act is a wasteful, non meaningful and not related to God in any single way. What is the point in circulating a thaal with Divas around Guruji. We are told to read and understand gurbani, not perform rituals to it, what the hell is the meaning of that, its like doing the same thing to a picture of Guru's, UTTERLY WASTEFUL
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