- May 9, 2006
I'm curious to get a feel for the sangat's votes.
Ishna ji,I'm curious to get a feel for the sangat's votes.
One should be able to understand the spiritual matter of reincarnation and transmigration from Gurbani and discourse with the sangat. Personally I'm finding Gurbani very difficult to understand because I haven't read it all, I don't understand it all, and it's very easy to make it say whatever the heck you want it to say (example: you can make Gurbani sound like it prohibits or encourages meat eating.. similarly you can make it sound like it supports or rejects reincarnation and transmigration).Could you please enlighten me what reincarnation and transmigration are and how one is able to understand them?
I used "believe" for a couple of reasons: 1. the poll may sound biased if I phrase the choices as if they have already been answered. 2. when it comes to a religion, I think belief does have a place. How else can you "believe the Truth"? Doesn't believe mean that you accept the concept presented as true? 3. some Sikhs might NOT believe in reincarnation and transmigration.I notice you write "believe" in your question which shows that it is a belief as used in a belief system.
Navdeep ji,Ishna Ji,
I've been wondering about this. About why we're even here???
God is perfect, loving, compassionate, powerful...we go knocking at his door. but why did he even create imperfect creations? us, little ants who love, suffer, and struggle. If his light is in all, in us, and the ultimate goal is to merge in God's light, why did he immerse us in this maya, this game? Is this the ultimate humility of God, that even though God could have perfection, he chooses not to? Does this mean love, the source needs to be in action in order to grow and sustain itself?
At the risk of sounding like a nut... I believe in reincarnation because I have an instinctive feeling about it, and because I have seen things. I believe in it because some of us seem to be much older and more mature than others spiritually, and it can't always be explained by our environment.
My feeling about transmigration is not as strong, but it sort of makes sense to me. If we have souls, animals must too; and we must have been something other than human if our souls were around before human bodies began to exist on Earth.
It sounds ridiculous only if we try to comprehend it from the standpoint of the existence in 'self' or 'soul'. When we think in terms of a self who acts and who receives the fruits of his or her actions and are not precise as to what it is that are causes and what the results, we will end up confusing things. The problem is not in the details, but often it is in the oversimplification. Yes, it is wrong to speculate about karma and wonder about such things as 'what might be the cause for this result' or 'what kind of fruit will this action bring', because this again is due to the influence of "self" and is blinding. It comes from wanting to know and to control and predict, and is why it is said to be capable of leading to madness.Um... karma. I think it is when we give the idea too much power and detail that it begins to sound ridiculous.
This is an example of what I was saying above. Surely you've heard about good people suffering while bad people getting away with what they do haven't you? So I don't think it right to interpret karma the way you have done. We do what we do, good or bad, according to our accumulated inclinations and other conditions. Likewise how other people react is *not* a result of our actions, but their own accumulated tendencies and other conditions at any given time.What if karma is simply a natural law of cause and effect? If you work to improve the world, the world will be that much nicer for you and others. If you are a jerk, people will be jerks to you. And maybe we are here in the circumstances we are born into, to learn something we could never learn otherwise.
The bottom line is that I really know nothing. I don't even know WHY our existence is so hard to understand. I can only hear other people's ideas and try to do what seems right.
To be changed to:The reason being that what we refer to as being results, i.e. the states akin to heaven and hell are in reality, the pleasant feelings that accompany either a wholesome state of mind or that which accompanies attachment.