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Creator /God ਦਾਤਾ/ਰੱਬ In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Is Masculine Or Feminine And What Is The Significa

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prakash.s.bagga veer ji I am trying to do so as if it helps me and others.

I would be so happy to see you correct any of my errors given your great knowledge which I respect.

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AMBARSARIA Ji,
It is a shocking news for me.
I wish your contribution will be really A GREAT TRIBUTE for your beloved ones.
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Ambarsaria ji,
The Eastern way of viewing God is that He is consciousness and and She is matter.

Page 21, Line 4
ਜਹ ਦੇਖਾ ਤਹ ਰਵਿ ਰਹੇ ਸਿਵ ਸਕਤੀ ਕਾ ਮੇਲੁ ॥
जह देखा तह रवि रहे सिव सकती का मेलु ॥
Jah ḏekẖā ṯah rav rahe siv sakṯī kā mel.
Wherever I look, I see the Lord pervading there, in the union of Shiv and Shakti, of consciousness and matter.
Guru Nanak Dev
 

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Sat Sri Akaal,

All thought's expresses are with limited awareness and can be interacted/commented/rejected or accepted


"Ik" "O A M" "Kar"

Please don't read "man" and "woman" as man/woman have male and female, it's above
that

"Ik" is to involve female in religion
as "Oam" was for male, and
earlier only that was form to recite
and
woman were not allowed, the reason was principles were not supposed to be applicable, practice etc.

It is like phenomenon of "light" have own behavior and principles

And phenomenon of "Sound" have own behavior and principles

"Ik Oam" is both for man and woman form
"Ik" if for feminine as light causes dual phenomenon, and is natural, so it is difficult to follow one path, it deviate to other region

"Oam" was for male form
to feminine it has no effect

In human male forms is affected from sound and its behaviors
and female form is affected by light and its behaviors

To address light for the cause of "Duality" "Ik" was attached to "Oam"
for complete formation of religion and region (Human Body)
"Ikoam Kar"
all actions
action as thought (astral)/speech (Subtle) /physical(Matter). are done by nature.
To human perception it appears as "I" because of lost awareness

Sikh Religion is formed with research from all the previous practices, and ruling out imperfections of the past practices.

When sikh religion was initiated "Gorakh Nath" was religious head, and he was invited for discussion with Gur Nanak Dev Ji, but he didn't turned up, as he was already aware of
Guru Nanak Dev Ji spiritual enlightment, he send his followers for discussion, as they were the one's who needs convincing.

There are only and only two primal energies existing "Light" and "Sound"
All other forms energy are derivative of these energy forms.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
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ravneet_sb ji can you please relate what you say to appropriate thread. For example you are contradicting what is in the following discourse,

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/37225-sri-guru-granth-sahib-review-ik.html#post154763

The following that you state is plain wrong,

"Ik" "O A M" "Kar"

Please don't read "man" and "woman" as man/woman have male and female, it's above
that

"Ik" is to involve female in religion
as "Oam" was for male, and
earlier only that was form to recite
and
woman were not allowed, the reason was principles were not supposed to be applicable, practice etc.
There is no "O A M" in

ੴ (Ik▫oaʼnkār)

Please provide a reference for the following in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji or wherever you got it from,

Sikh Religion is formed with research from all the previous practices, and ruling out imperfections of the past practices.
Please provide scientific reference for the following,
There are only and only two primal energies existing "Light" and "Sound"
All other forms energy are derivative of these energy forms.
I am sorry this is Gurmat Vichhar and some criticality of thought is desirable if possible and I don't know your background to know if my query is in scope for your training, experiences or understanding.

Sat Sri Akal.
 
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Sat Sri Akaal,

Any realisation can be rejected,
but most of comprehension can not be proved or justified,
and are written, the way it comes,
and after realisation, reference are available in sacred books also.



Spell of O A M from Hindu Sacred Text as OM not in english

if it differ as

(Ref Phonetics By Kulbir Singh Thind, MD and Translation by Singh Sahib Sant Singh Khalsa, MD


ik- oN kaar

OM in hindu sacred books of oN as referred in Sikh Sacred books to discuss

is beyond my understanding and comment,
to discuss,

one should be aware of origin of words,
in respective sphere hindu sacred text and sikh sacred books


Further

(Ref Phonetics By Kulbir Singh Thind, MD and Translation by Singh Sahib Sant Singh Khalsa, MD

There is refernce of all sacred books of the time though sacred text of european text were missing, but all the text have same universal thought process.


gurmukh naadaN gurmukh vaydaN gurmukh rahi-aa samaa-ee.
The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of
the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading.

guru eIsru guru gorKu brmw guru pwrbqI mweI ] (2-9, jpu, mÚ 1)
gur eesar gur gorakh barmaa gur paarbatee maa-ee.

The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi.
jy hau jwxw AwKw nwhI khxw kQnu n jweI ] (2-9, jpu, mÚ 1)

jay ha-o jaanaa aakhaa naahee kahnaa kathan na jaa-ee.
Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words.
gurw iek dyih buJweI ] (2-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

guraa ik dayhi bujhaa-ee.
The Guru has given me this one understanding:
sBnw jIAw kw ieku dwqw so mY ivsir n jweI ]5] (2-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

sabhnaa jee-aa kaa ik daataa so mai visar na jaa-ee. ||5||
there is only the One, the Giver of all souls. May I never forget Him! ||5||



How to realise deities As Brahma/Shiv/Vishnu
They are part of "GURU's BANI"

How to realise these dieties.

To my knowledge they are deities within human body,
in the form of inside body parts,
earlier this science was taught in the form of human icons, after literature was
developed, this way was discarded,
as this form of education was wrongly utilised by section of pandits.


Inside body in one's life

As an examle of life process

what causes young age, how young age is caused, when young age is caused,
where one has become young, how youth was evoked are beyond comprehension

if one is aware or realised, than only one get to self understand.


Religion is based on faith beyond comprehension.
Five K's Kab, Kahan, Kaun, Kaise, Kyun can not be explained but realised, through science.

Facts are more realistic, but other writtings are realisation beyond comprehension.
So it can be rejected as redundant writtings.

One always have the right to reject thought

For me,
all Gurmat Veechar posts are valuable,
to evoke mind,
thanks for writting.


Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
 
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RAVNEET SB ji,

Your views are more or less in the acceptable range of perception.But Gurbani"s ultimate message about NAAMu is what is required to be understood.
Without understanding of NAAMu ,all other understandings are of not much use.
In Gurbani the concepts of Hindu philosophy have been given to provide correct knowledge of NAAMu only.
We should try to know how Sikh philosophy is different from Hindu and Other philosophies of the world.Unless we do this we shall remain in the present status quo
about Sikh philosophy.
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RAVNEET sb ji,
For your reference


kwieAw AMdir bRhmw ibsnu mhysw sB Epiq ijqu sMswrw ] (754-16)
kaa-i-aa andar barahmaa bisan mahaysaa sabh opat jit sansaaraa.
Within the body, are Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, from whom the whole world emanated.
scY Awpxw Kylu rcwieAw Awvw gauxu pwswrw ] (754-17)
sachai aapnaa khayl rachaa-i-aa aavaa ga-on paasaaraa.
The True Lord has staged and contrived His own play; the expanse of the Universe comes and goes.
pUrY siqguir Awip idKwieAw sic nwim insqwrw ]7] (754-17)
poorai satgur aap dikhaa-i-aa sach naam nistaaraa. ||7||
The Perfect True Guru Himself has made it clear, that emancipation comes through the True Name. ||7||
sw kwieAw jo siqguru syvY scY Awip svwrI ] (754-18)
saa kaa-i-aa jo satgur sayvai sachai aap savaaree.
That body, which serves the True Guru, is embellished by the True Lord Himself.
ivxu nwvY dir FoeI nwhI qw jmu kry KuAwrI ] (754-18)
vin naavai dar dho-ee naahee taa jam karay khu-aaree.
Without the Name, the mortal finds no place of rest in the Court of the Lord; he shall be tortured by the Messenger of Death.
nwnk scu vifAweI pwey ijs no hir ikrpw DwrI ]8]2] (754-19)
naanak sach vadi-aa-ee paa-ay jis no har kirpaa Dhaaree. ||8||2||
O Nanak, true glory is bestowed, when the Lord showers His Mercy. ||8||2||

Pl look at the last two lines of the SABAD

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Sat Sri Akaal,

How to contemplate Deity

"Brahma" "Vishnu" "Shiva" in life forms.

"Brahma" as "leaves" "Vishnu" as "stem"and "Shiva" as "fruit" in life forms.

In humans???

In "Guru's Bani" these are referred twice in life forms

Someone having realisation on the subject.


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Sat Sri Akaal,

Any realisation can be rejected,
but most of comprehension can not be proved or justified,
and are written, the way it comes,
and after realisation, reference are available in sacred books also.



Spell of O A M from Hindu Sacred Text as OM not in english

if it differ as

(Ref Phonetics By Kulbir Singh Thind, MD and Translation by Singh Sahib Sant Singh Khalsa, MD


ik- oN kaar

OM in hindu sacred books of oN as referred in Sikh Sacred books to discuss

is beyond my understanding and comment,
to discuss,

one should be aware of origin of words,
in respective sphere hindu sacred text and sikh sacred books


Further

(Ref Phonetics By Kulbir Singh Thind, MD and Translation by Singh Sahib Sant Singh Khalsa, MD

There is refernce of all sacred books of the time though sacred text of european text were missing, but all the text have same universal thought process.


gurmukh naadaN gurmukh vaydaN gurmukh rahi-aa samaa-ee.
The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading.

guru eIsru guru gorKu brmw guru pwrbqI mweI ] (2-9, jpu, mÚ 1)
gur eesar gur gorakh barmaa gur paarbatee maa-ee.

The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi.
jy hau jwxw AwKw nwhI khxw kQnu n jweI ] (2-9, jpu, mÚ 1)

jay ha-o jaanaa aakhaa naahee kahnaa kathan na jaa-ee.
Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words.
gurw iek dyih buJweI ] (2-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

guraa ik dayhi bujhaa-ee.
The Guru has given me this one understanding:
sBnw jIAw kw ieku dwqw so mY ivsir n jweI ]5] (2-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

sabhnaa jee-aa kaa ik daataa so mai visar na jaa-ee. ||5||
there is only the One, the Giver of all souls. May I never forget Him! ||5||



How to realise deities As Brahma/Shiv/Vishnu
They are part of "GURU's BANI"

How to realise these dieties.

To my knowledge they are deities within human body,
in the form of inside body parts,
earlier this science was taught in the form of human icons, after literature was
developed, this way was discarded,
as this form of education was wrongly utilised by section of pandits.


Inside body in one's life

As an examle of life process

what causes young age, how young age is caused, when young age is caused,
where one has become young, how youth was evoked are beyond comprehension

if one is aware or realised, than only one get to self understand.


Religion is based on faith beyond comprehension.
Five K's Kab, Kahan, Kaun, Kaise, Kyun can not be explained but realised, through science.

Facts are more realistic, but other writtings are realisation beyond comprehension.
So it can be rejected as redundant writtings.

One always have the right to reject thought

For me,
all Gurmat Veechar posts are valuable,
to evoke mind,
thanks for writting.


Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

An excellent post though I could not make out something from some parts. But it does not matter as my understanding is very limited and I am not as learned as other members are but do intend to learn more.
Your posts are not conventionally written and hence the beauty lies in uniqueness in presentation.

I have a small query or a question that has bothered me for quite sometime. It has been stated in the translation that Guru's word is wisdom of Vedas. Vedas have been given a due place in Bani as well. If that be so then ....

1.What is the specific reason that Vedas are rejected in sikhi or its philosophy.?

I have the time to read Gita few years back and I was so much influenced that I bought a copy of it. After checking out with Sikh Rehat Maryada I found that reading is not prohibited.

A second question that you may kindly like to answer.

2. Does sikh philosophy reject the idea of Ahm Brahasmi.? [ I am thou.]

If you can,off the cuff, quote some line , I shall be grateful from the core of my heart.

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Sat Sri Akaal,



1.What is the specific reason that Vedas are rejected in sikhi or its philosophy.?

I have the time to read Gita few years back and I was so much influenced that I bought a copy of it. After checking out with Sikh Rehat Maryada I found that reading is not prohibited.

But when something precise/concise/ advance is available, with best features, master prescribes to read latest as it contains previous also, but one miss on latest in previous

Every development has original and developed models so do religious developments.


So on physical or literal developments give a choice

It is like using first model of car or latest BMW, Volkswagon......

or

Learning machine language/ C++/ od dot net


2. Does sikh philosophy reject the idea of Ahm Brahasmi.? [ I am thou.]

If you can,off the cuff, quote some line , I shall be grateful from the core of my heart.

The latest come after realisation that man is created being
and all is controlled by nature
to ones perception "I" dwells but in depth realization, that "I" comes with ignorance,
Raj Yog leads to "I"
but
"Sat" Yog leads to "You" or "Creator" as "Supreme"

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh




 

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Sat Sri Akaal,

Parkash Singh Ji,

You are right that RAAM NAAMu as prescribed by "GURU's BANI" gives all,
but ego ask questions and seek for answers.

Thanks for valued response.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
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Sat Sri Akaal,
Spell of O A M from Hindu Sacred Text as OM not in english

if it differ as

(Ref Phonetics By Kulbir Singh Thind, MD and Translation by Singh Sahib Sant Singh Khalsa, MD

ik- oN kaar
ravneet_sb ji thanks for your response. I am sorry I do not accept your explanation. Just putting down Dr. Kulbir Singh Thind and Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa does not cut it by itself. If you read the thread I flagged to you the reference is from Prof. Sahib Singh ji who knew Sanskrit and context of Hinduism and the books perhaps more than any of us. I repeat for you his analysis of as follows but see the thread below for complete detail and better still read his Darpan (http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/37225-sri-guru-granth-sahib-review-ik.html#post154763)


Meaning of :

1-ie`k[ E-EAM[ > -kwr[

Quote:
‘E’ sMsik®q dw Sbd hY[ Amr koS Anuswr ies dy iqMn ArQ hn:-


‘E’ is a word from Sanskrit. It has three possible meanings.


Quote:
(1) vyd Awid Drm-pusqkW dy ArMB Aqy A^Ir ivc, Ardws jW iksy piv~qr Drm-kwrj dy ArMB ivc A`Kr 'EN' piv~qr A`Kr jwx ky vriqAw jWdw hY[
Used as EN, an auspicious word at the beginning or end of religious books.
Quote:
(2) iksy hukm jW pRSn Awidk dy au~qr ivc Awdr Aqy siqkwr nwl ‘jI hW’ AwKxw[ so,‘EN’ dw ArQ hY 'jI hW'[

A way and preamble in answering respectfully like “ji haan” (colloquially “yes respectful one”)
Quote:
(3) EN-bRhm[
Brahma, a Hindu God /deity.
Quote:
iehnW ivcoN ikhVw ArQ ies Sbd dw ie`Qy ilAw jwxw hY-ies ƒ idRVH krn leI Sbd 'EN' dy pihlW '1' ilK id`qw hY[ ies dw Bwv ieh hY ik ie`Qy 'EN' dw ArQ hY 'auh hsqI jo iek hY, ijs vrgw hor koeI nhIN hY Aqy ijs ivc ieh swrw jgq smw jWdw hY['
So which one applies!

To confirm the proper application of meaning, '1' is used in Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

Quote:

qIjw ih`sw > hY, ijs dw au~cwrn hY 'kwr'[ 'kwr' sMsik®q dw iek ipCyqr hY[ Awm qOr qy ieh ipCyqr 'nWv' dy A^Ir ivc vriqAw jWdw hY[ ies dw ArQ hY 'iek-rs, ijs ivc qbdIlI nw Awvy['
The third part (> ) is from Sanskrit and is a syllable used at the ending of a word. It stands for “one essence that may not change”.

Quote:
eykMkwru-eyk EAMkwr, auh iek EAM jo iek-rs hY, jo hr QW ivAwpk hY[
so, "<>" dw au~cwrn hY " iek (eyk) EAMkwr" Aqy iesdw ArQ hY "iek Akwl purK, jo iek-rs ivAwpk hY"[
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AMBARSARIA ji,
I have different views about the meaning and pronunciation of the very first SYMBOL.
Since the whole understanding seems to be based on the correct knowledge of this SYMBOL.
Every scholars agree to a point that the SYMBOL has three parts as

1...Numerical Number One

2...Word "Ong"

3....A wave like line refered as KaaR.

With above information we can see that there are two possible combination of these three parts to get the meaning.

COMBINATION A....Here Numerical Number is taken as IKas separate and word Ong is combined with KaaR to get as Oankaar.
We write this as IK Oankaar as the pronunciation and give meaning accordingly.

COMBINATION .B...Here Numerical Number can be along withword Ong as EKONg and Kaar can be taken as separate to get as EKANKAAR.

I find that in Gurbani the COMBINATION B is more appropriate than Combination A.
The reason can be clear from the grammer of the word "Ong".
For this let us look a quote from Gurbani as

EAM swD siqgur nmskwrM ] (250-8)
o-aN saaDh satgur namaskaaraN.
ONG: I humbly bow in reverence to the One Universal Creator, to the Holy True Guru

You can see that the word Ong in Gurmukhi script is PLURAL.To make word SINGULAR there is no possibility of making use of matra of AUKAD under its last letter .So the application of Numerical Number One before the word Ong makes this word SINGULAR as EKOng.

So we have the words as

Word Ong.......PLURAL

Word EKONg....SINGULAR of Ong.

So the above consideration makes clear that the Pronunciation of the SYMBOL should be related to COMBINATION B as EKANKAAR which is found in SGGS .

It would be interesting to note that there is no such pronunciation as Ik Oankaar in SGGS
EKANKAAR is a pronunciation that is in SGGS ,this is accepted by Prof Sahib Singh ji too but surprisingly ithas just been mentioned but not considered during interpretation of Gurbani.

I feel that our knowledge about the pronunciation and Meaning of the SYMBOL is totally based of information from Hindu Philosophy whereas there is very clear understanding of Gurbani words according to the Rule of grammers.
I find that we lack in sincerity and clarity in applying the gramatical consideration as indicated by our 5th NANAK Guru Arjan Dev ji.

These are my personal views based on gramatical observations of Gurbani words.

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Prakash ji,
I do not see how the word "Ong" is plural. From the tuk it appears it's singular. Also it is used on it's own in many places in SGGS without Ik in front of it. It is used simply as ਓਅੰਕਾਰ. So why do you say it is plural?
 
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BHAGAT SINGH Ji,
It is nice to get you after a long time.
Pl find a quote from Gurbani for the word Ong as

ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥ ਆਪਹਿ ਕੀਆ ਕਰਾਇਆ ਆਪਹਿ ਕਰਨੈ ਜੋਗੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਏਕੋ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਦੂਸਰ ਹੋਆ ਨ ਹੋਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਓਅੰ ਸਾਧ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਨਮਸਕਾਰੰ ॥ ਆਦਿ ਮਧਿ ਅੰਤਿ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੰ ॥ ਆਪਹਿ ਸੁੰਨ ਆਪਹਿ ਸੁਖ ਆਸਨ ॥ ਆਪਹਿ ਸੁਨਤ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਜਾਸਨ ॥ ਆਪਨ ਆਪੁ ਆਪਹਿ ਉਪਾਇਓ ॥ ਆਪਹਿ ਬਾਪ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਮਾਇਓ ॥ ਆਪਹਿ ਸੂਖਮ ਆਪਹਿ ਅਸਥੂਲਾ ॥ ਲਖੀ ਨ ਜਾਈ ਨਾਨਕ ਲੀਲਾ ॥੧॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 250}

In this quote you can see that the word "Ong Sadh SatiGur Namaskarang"
The word "Ong" in Gurmukhi script is without matra of AUKAD under its last letter so according to the Gurbani grammer the word is PLURAL(MasulineGender).The same word is SINGULAR (Feminine Gender)
So for making the word Ong SINGULAR(Masculine Gender) the Numerical number one is used before the word as the matra of Aukad can notbe applied to the last letter of the word.
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BHAGAT SINGH Ji,

You can see the word ONKAAR and ONKAAR(u) in SGGS ji.
Here the word ONKAAR(u) is SINGULAR(Masuline Gender) andthe word ONKAAR is PLURAL(Masculine Gender) .

So there is no need of placing the word Ik before the word ONKAAR .

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Hold on Prakash ji,
I just realized, Ong is not a word but a syllable. It is not surrounded by consonants. ਓਅੰ or ਓ or the sanskrit Ong. So how does grammar work on this?

You said ਓਅੰਕਾਰ is plural masculine, yet Bhagat Kabir uses it to mean a single God.

ਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਆਦਿ ਮੈ ਜਾਨਾ ॥
ओअंकार आदि मै जाना ॥
O▫ankār āḏ mai jānā.
I know only the One, the Universal Creator, the Primal Being.

ਲਿਖਿ ਅਰੁ ਮੇਟੈ ਤਾਹਿ ਨ ਮਾਨਾ ॥
लिखि अरु मेटै ताहि न माना ॥
Likẖ ar metai ṯāhi na mānā.
I do not believe in anyone whom the Lord writes and erases.

ਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਲਖੈ ਜਉ ਕੋਈ ॥
ओअंकार लखै जउ कोई ॥
O▫ankār lakẖai ja▫o ko▫ī.
If someone knows the One, the Universal Creator,

ਸੋਈ ਲਖਿ ਮੇਟਣਾ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥੬॥
सोई लखि मेटणा न होई ॥६॥
So▫ī lakẖ metṇā na ho▫ī. ||6||
he shall not perish, since he knows Him. ||6||
pg 340 by Kabir

And what about when 'r' in Ongkar has a sihari: ਓਅੰਕਾਰਿ?
 

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Prakash.s.bagga ji thanks for your posts.

I humbly disagree with your statement on


The
੧ is not joined to "E-EAM[ > -kwr["

੧ ----> ਇੱਕ and it is not Ek or ਏਕ which is Devanagari/Hindi[/FONT]

Of course Ek or
ਏਕ is a word in Punjabi with the meaning (One of or from one). ੧ is unambiguously a number 1.
Hence EKANKAAR is totally wrong. I realize why you at one time wanted to see the two joined in paintings. That will make it EKANKAAR and unfortunately would have been contrary to Gurbani as written.

That only leaves it as stated
ੴ (Ik▫oaʼnkār)
Sat Sri Akal.

 
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