Islam Creation In Islam

[kds1980]

I was talking about worldwide not just india, china and africa.

2.5 billion non muslim population out of 4.5 billion lives in india ,china and africa.I don't know how much world population is left for conversions for muslims.Without these countries no religion can claim that it is fastest growing.

 

[Vikram singh]

2.5 billion non muslim population out of 4.5 billion lives in india ,china and africa.I don't know how much world population is left for conversions for muslims.Without these countries no religion can claim that it is fastest growing.

very Good answer, from kds1980, I want to Give detail of Muslim People how got converted from different religions, with names, and their Country if some somebody want Phone # I can provide, also and Fanatics can have first hand Knowledge, about Islam.
Indian Muslim overall,they are not Fanatics,as far as i know they are peaceful people.

 

[azizrasul]

Continuing with the theme of creation here are more verses: -

Glory to Allah, Who created in pairs all things that the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge.
Qur’an - Surah Yaseen 36:36 See also 16:10, 22:63 and 67:14.

(He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things).
Qur’an - Surah ash-Shura (Consultation) 42:11

 

[japjisahib04]

Here's an extract from my book on fasting.

Saum (fasting) is a practice that has been performed over thousands of years by Jews, Christians and Muslims. There are 29-30 fasts (from dawn to sunset) in the 9th Islamic lunar month of Ramadhan. It reminds us by hunger and thirst and other constraints, to learn god-consciousness (taqwa), from avoiding committing sins by any of our five senses and performing good deeds, learning patience, ability to bear sacrifices, control and discipline ourselves. It also serves to remind us of the hungry in the world, be thankful for what we have.

Like all the other actions, following the commands of Allah is incumbent on those who have reached the age of puberty. Those who are asked to fast but are unable to e.g. ill health, pregnancy, travelling, etc. there is an exemption to make up the fasts later. For those who face long-term problems such as ill health, they are totally exempt from fasting but are asked to feed a poor person for each fasting day.

183. “O you who believe; the Fasting (as-Saum) is prescribed to you as it was prescribed for those before you, so that ye may become pious (al-Muttaqûn).
184. (Fast) for a fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (Should be made up) from days later. For those who can do it (With hardship), is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will, - it is better for him. And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew.
185. Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put you to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.
Qur’an - Surah al-Baqara (The Heifer) 2:183-5

The notion of becoming pious is based on the practice of learning self-restraint from doing bad deeds and controlling our desires (nafs) and at the same time proactively and consciously doing good deeds. This is dependant on our personal actions and behaviour and is not obtained only as a natural consequence of merely going through the motions of hunger and thirst. We need to take control of our lives rather than let the whispers of Satan seduce us on the path of unrighteousness and remove us from grace. Hence the month of Ramadhan brings us back on the path of righteousness and helps us to guard ourselves from evil. The reward of a fasting person increases as he inclines towards good deeds and diminishes as he inclines towards bad deeds.

I wonder what is your agenda whether to establish supremacy upon other relations. Then let me clear your understanding about fasting as per gurmat.

Guru Nanak says mission of mankind on Earth is to earn ‘Dharam’ by nurturing love, day and night from the core of heart while singing and contemplating on His virtues and chanting His Name. How can a devotee by fasting, torturing, sufferings or suppressing appetite concentrate or devote to utter His Naam. Gurbani tells us, ‘bhukhai bhagat na keejai yeh mala apni leejai – with empty stomach no one can perform devotional worship.” – Guru Granth ang. 656.13. Gurbani further confirms, all these actions are the cause of deviation, thus it is only a hypocrisy. In relation to fasting Gurbani declared it this way, “Chodaih aan karai pakhand na oh suhaghan na o rand ] - one who fasts and discards food during purnmashi, karva choith, naratai, ramadhan, is practicing hypocrisy. He is like a rolling - stone good for nothing and is neither a happy soul-bride, nor a widow.” - Guru Granth ang. 873.4. Besides it yields no bonus marks. It is not a mean to wash any sins, it is not a mean to fulfill any of your desires, and it is not a mean to please Akal Purakh or merge into Akal Purakh. We pose to abstain from food outwardly but from inside body suffers in pain and are disturbed with fire of desires. It is hypocrisy. On the other hand, if really eaten less, it stabilizes the agitation in mind. This is what Gurbani advises “Sleep little, and eat little; O learner Nanak, this is the essence of wisdom.” - Guru Granth ang.939.4. Thus Gursikhs are fasting everyday. The process described by gurbani does not overload the body and abuse the beautiful machinery/apparatus gifted to us FREE without any effort on our part.

Gurbani thus advises instead us to earn the fruitful rewards by observing the fast of knowing your own self with a pledge not to speak lies at least that day. Gurbani proclaims, “sach varat santokh keerat gian dhayan isnan, deaya devta kheema japmaal tai manas pradhan - the most excellent are those who have Truth as their fast, contentment as their sacred shrine of pilgrimage, spiritual wisdom and meditation as their cleansing bath, kindness as their deity, and forgiveness as their chanting beads.” – Guru Granth ang.1245.11.
Further your revelation, 'Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (between right and wrong).So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (should be made up) by days later.I simply wonder if anytthing is sent to us it is time of celebration or fasting or torturing ourselves.
Furthermore, your comments, 'It reminds us by hunger and thirst and other constraints, to learn god-consciousness (taqwa), from avoiding committing sins by any of our five senses and performing good deeds, learning patience, ability to bear sacrifices, control and discipline ourselves. It also serves to remind us of the hungry in the world, be thankful for what we have. Just come and check the consumption of mutton and other food is almost double during this month - a wastage.
Regards Sahni Mohinder

 

[Vikram singh]

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[azizrasul]

I was asked about Ramadhan and I answered. Hope Sherab is happy with the answer.

 

[japjisahib04]

With regards to your tall scientific claim of qoran that the first man was created by dust (Allah created Adam from dust after He mixed the clay and left him for some time until it became sticky mud, after which Allah shaped him. After that Allah left him till it became like potter's clay.” A saying of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) - Sahih al-Bukhari) but on the contrary Sikhism does not see any merit in this revelation and advise us not to waste time in these trifle issue by stating O mortal, you came here to earn a profit in order to merge back with your origin. What useless activities are you attached to? Your life-night is coming to its end. SGGS.43.3.However in order to answer these types of questions, Guru Nanak enquired and answered, “ Who is our mother, and who is our father? Where did we come from? We are formed from the fire of the womb within, and the bubble of water of the sperm. For what purpose are we created? O my Master, who can know Your wondrous and Glorious Virtues?SGGS 156.9. Gurbani further clears this issue, 'The wind is the director; people are born of water. From the five elements, the puppet was created with its actions.” SGGS 884.16 and not simply from dust.Now you analysis your revelation and compare the logical clarity.Regareds Sahni Mohinder

 

[azizrasul]

but on the contrary Sikhism does not see any merit in this revelation and advise us not to waste time in these trifle issue by stating O mortal, you came here to earn a profit in order to merge back with your origin. What useless activities are you attached to? Your life-night is coming to its end. SGGS.43.3.However in order to answer these types of questions, Guru Nanak enquired and answered, “ Who is our mother, and who is our father? Where did we come from? We are formed from the fire of the womb within, and the bubble of water of the sperm. For what purpose are we created? O my Master, who can know Your wondrous and Glorious Virtues?SGGS 156.9. Gurbani further clears this issue, 'The wind is the director; people are born of water. From the five elements, the puppet was created with its actions.” SGGS 884.16 and not simply from dust.Now you analysis your revelation and compare the logical clarity.Regareds Sahni Mohinder

Isn't their a contradiction in what u r saying. First u suggest that sikhism indicates that such things r a waste of time but then go on to give details of human creation within the sikh scriptures. Strange.

If such information provides a road towards the belief of the created human towards his\her Creator Allah, then indeed it is NOT a waste of time rather it may lead to salvation insha-allah. Some non-Muslims r turning to Islam by reading verses of Creation. May Allah All-Knowing guide those who wish to receive guidance. Ameen.

 

[Vikram singh]

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[Vikram singh]

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[Sherab]

But don't take my word for it, early Muslim doctors, like Ibn-Qayyim, were first to blow the whistle when they saw the Koranic material, mirrored a Greek doctor named Galen, who lived of 150 AD. In 1983 Basim Musallam, Director of the Centre of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Cambridge concluded, "The stages of development which the Qur'an and Hadith established for believers agreed perfectly with Galen's scientific account....There is no doubt that medieval thought appreciated this agreement between the Qur'an and Galen, for Arabic science employed the same Qur'anic terms to describe the Galenic stages" (B. Musallam (Cambridge, 1983) Sex and Society in Islam. p. 54) In other words when it comes to embryology the Qur'an merely echoes the scientific knowledge man had already discovered 450 years earlier.


Koran: The Myth of Embryology

 

[japjisahib04]

Isn't their a contradiction in what u r saying. First u suggest that sikhism indicates that such things r a waste of time but then go on to give details of human creation within the sikh scriptures. Strange.

If such information provides a road towards the belief of the created human towards his\her Creator Allah, then indeed it is NOT a waste of time rather it may lead to salvation insha-allah. Some non-Muslims r turning to Islam by reading verses of Creation. May Allah All-Knowing guide those who wish to receive guidance. Ameen.

No wonder TOP SCIENTIST are only Christian and Jews. Moreover there is nothing scientific but CLARITY IN general common sense OF ABOVE and Guru Nanak's acceptance that no one knows HIS virtues and wondrous action THUS IT IS waste OF unnecessary our precious time.

Now I understand why Gurbani had to explain, 'if circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman? She is the other half of a man’s body, and she does not leave him, so does he remains a Hindu. Thus if God wished one to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself.” - Guru Granth ang.477.17. These values stress that the real religion for all mankind is one and only in this way you shall be a true Hindu and Muslim.

Generally typical answer for circumcision is given to be cleanliness. Does it mean God was imperfect and prophet Mohammad had to correct based on your scientifc research. Impossible - Mohammad was a God's lover he never could have meant that “NEVER”. He kept saying that I am an imperfect one...and Akal Purakh (Allah) is great. Oh Akal Purakh YOU are GREAT! So how could he perfect the perfection of Akal Purakh? Even in Anjeel or new Testament (book revered by Islam) Jesus talks of circumsention of mind that matter and not otherwise.

Sikhe is not hereditary but original - it has to be earned by each and every person. Our gurus were never insecure and thus never intended for babies to be forced to chhak amrit (baptized). This is the beauty behind Sikh revealed baani. Amrit is not a ritual (like circumcision/baptism/janeu etc.) but a serious commitment to a particular life style and ONLY an ADULT can make that CHOICE rationally made voluntarily. It is a basic tenets and counter measure in self-defense to the path of realization committed to the tenets of their faith. And the PERSON goes to seek Amrit in complete submission. Therefore, having Amrit chak does require some outer inspection and inner inspection of the person. INCREASING the numbers of muslims and amritdharees by roping in helpless babies when they cannot make a choice is WRONG in Gurmat what to talk of genocides or imposing their religion, in case of unwillingness to accept their philosophy. How could one become a good soldier simply by wearing the uniform or cutting the ...? No. First of all the army spirit has to be infused in. Then only one feels they have a goal and point of being here. Gurbani tells us ‘Truth is high, but higher still is Truthful living’.

Further the spread of Sikhi was never dependent on "interpretation of Gurbani". or scientific research. Sikhi spread through the example of those who practiced it -- who lived it, who walked the path as a role model. It was always the EXAMPLE of a Sikh, which inspired others to join the fold. That's how the number of Sikhs kept on increasing even when Governor of Lahore had declared a price on the head of a Sikh -- because the exemplary character of Sikhs inspired others onto the Guru's path, even when doing so meant to be on the run from the government of the day. By taking Amrit from Panj Pyaras Guru Gobind Singh ji put us on the same pedestal as he was on. He lowered himself in order to raise us up. WOW. What a Friend!!

Further circumcision is connected to SEXUAL DESIRE but a physical act does not control the MIND. ALL DESIRES are in fact in the MIND...MODESTY comes from the MIND - not EXTERNAL. IF the MIND is the DEVILS WORKSHOP, and the person is determined to let his desires get the better of him. No amount of "circumcision" (even Total Bobbit ) based on your scientific research is going to make him sleep quietly.

Regards Sahni Mohinder

 

[azizrasul]

'if circumcision makes one a Muslim

The difinition of a Muslim is one who submits him\herself to the TRUE One God.

new Testament (book revered by Islam)

Where did u get that from? The NT is a man made document whilst the Injil was authored by Allah. It is the Injil that Muslims recognise NOT the NT.

 

[azizrasul]

Sherab, u didn't comment on the answer I gave to u on Ramadhan?

From ur last post, r u saying that the Qur'an is making sense in terms of science as u suggest that this knowledge was available at the time? If u r then Praise be to Allah.

 

[japjisahib04]

The difinition of a Muslim is one who submits him\herself to the TRUE One God

Is submission to the TRUE ONE GOD, is hating those who don't accept your ideology.

Q. Where did u get that from? The NT is a man made document whilst the Injil was authored by Allah. It is the Injil that Muslims recognise NOT the NT.

A. Does it teach increasing number of muslim by roping in helpless babies when they cannot make a choice by depriving them off their most vital part's cap which the perfect God has provided.

Guru Nanak revealed logically, 'miti musalman ki padai paee qhumiar - that the body/clay of musalman which you scientifully claim will rise on judgement day, is lying by the side of potter who is crafting utensils out of it. Thus the clay of the Muslim's grave becomes clay for the potter's wheel after certain years. Pots and bricks are fashioned from it, and in order to bake potter place them in the oven, and when the clay burns in, it cries hence ultimately it burns. And the Creator who created this cause for burning alone knows the mystery behind it." SGGS 466.6. So this is your scientifical research that you claim are attracting non-muslim.

Regards Sahni Mohinder

 

[azizrasul]

The definition of Islam is the acceptance, submission, sincerity and belief of the One God - Allah, (the Creator of the Universe) and to worship Him alone without any partners or any part of His creation. The word Islam comes from two root words, "submission" or “surrender” (to God) and “peace” (Arabic - salima: with God and within oneself). In general, of course Islam allows Muslims to live in peace with its neighbours unhindered. When Muslims greet each other they exchange peace with each other i.e. peace be upon you (Arabic - assalaamu aleykum).

“Therefore turn your face steadfastly towards the true faith (Islam), away from all that which is false, in accordance with the Pure nature with which Allah has Created people. Let there be no altering in the laws of Allah's Creation. This is surely the true religion, but most people do not know it.”
Qur’an - Surah ar-Rum (The Romans) 30:30

A person who obeys and worships the One True God is a Muslim. This defines theword Muslim. Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) were the first Muslims and Adam was the first prophet of Islam.

“The Religion in the sight of Allah is Islam.”
Qur’an - Surah al-`Imraan (The Family of `Imraan) 3:19

And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; “Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam.”
Qur’an - Surah al-Baqara (The Heifer) 2:132

Each new person born into this life is a Muslim. This is because, when our souls were created, we testified to the belief of the One God as the following Qur’anic verses shows.

172. And (remember) when thy Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their reins, their seed, and made them testify of themselves, (saying): Am I not your Lord? They said: Yea, verily. We testify. (That was) lest ye should say at the Day of Resurrection: Lo! Of this we were unaware;
173. Or lest ye should say: “Our fathers before us may have taken false gods, but we are (their) descendants after them: wilt Thou then destroy us because of the deeds of men who were futile?”
174. Thus do We explain the signs in detail; and perchance they may turn (unto Us).
Qur’an - Surah al-A`raaf (The Heights) 7:172-4

Hence our innermost nature (fitra), from the moment of our birth, is to accept the existence and belief of the One God, our Creator. Consequently we are all born pure into this world as Muslims.

35. O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you messengers from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.
36. But those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance,- they are companions of the Fire, to dwell therein (for ever).
Qur’an - Surah al-A`raaf (The Heights) 7:35-6

Who has created death and life, that He may test you, which of you is best in conduct; and He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving;
Qur’an - Surah at-Talaaq (Divorce) 67:2 See also 6:18.

 

[Sherab]

Sherab, u didn't comment on the answer I gave to u on Ramadhan?

From ur last post, r u saying that the Qur'an is making sense in terms of science as u suggest that this knowledge was available at the time? If u r then Praise be to Allah.

I am saying that - However, It is the fact that Greek historians mentioned it BEFORE the Quran was given to Muhhamad.

Second, even IF Quran is 100% scientfically correct, any being on the demi god and god relams all have such "siddhi" - at least int eh view of Sikhi.

Allah might be able to explain science and have all these facts - but Islam is not a method of science. it is a religion - so maybe we can discuss it's religious views further some day.

With love,
Surinderjit Singh

 

[japjisahib04]

We were discussing conversion and increase in population on the base of sciencetific and true revelations in qoran but it seems you are sight tracking the issue.

Gurbani view the universe as an act of instant creation - a spontaneous manifestation of the un-attributed Primal God- and its dissolution. It also says no one knows how many times it has come into existence and how many times it has evaporated in flick of an eye blink. It further declares it is a Divine sport and “whenever it pleases the Almighty, the Universe is created and as He desires, He absorbs it back into Himself.” - Guru Granth ang.292.8. Besides this, Gurbani further says, “kaei baar pasreo pasaar - Many times He has expanded universal expansion, yet each time at the end (and before) abides the Sole Supreme One.” - Guru Granth ang.276.13. Gurbani tells us like this, “khin maithaph uthapda - in an instant, God establishes and disestablishes.” - Guru Granth ang.706.3. Thus it supports evolution theory as per science. In order that we don’t waste our time as to when the universe came into existence gurbani tells us no one knows otherwise it would have been written either by Qazis or Pandit in their holy books. This is exactly the Truth – end of story whereas it appears Quran 7:54 view creation of world in six days (though time is subjective) and end on Roze-qiamat.

There is not even a single revelation of SGGS which science could prove untrue till today i.e. SGGS is called Eternal Living Guru.

Regards Sahni Mohinder

 

[Archived_Member_19]

sahni ji

i had already stressed that SGGS doesnot need to showcase scienfic facts to establish its credentials as a spiritual guru..

"those who seek will find the truth"

 

[azizrasul]

but Islam is not a method of science. it is a religion

But Islam is about submitting ourselves to Allah the Creator. Science was created by Allah, hence it is important in this regard. Of course Islam is about other things as well, but the subject of the topic dealt with creation. U did ask about Ramadhan, but u didn't respond?

Second, even IF Quran is 100% scientfically correct

IF? U mean IS.

I'm interested in the web page link u gave. I will study it and respond, God willing.

sight tracking the issue

Not at all, but there is only so much u can say about the reversions. U have ur opinion and I have mine. It has been said in the west that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. If u don't accept that then fine let's move on. It is not a matter that should unduly worry u. If u r firm in your faith, then surely that's all that matters 2 u.

Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods of time, and He is firm in power; He throws the veil of night over the day, which it pursues incessantly; and (He created) the sun and the moon and the stars, made subservient by His command; surely His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah, the Lord of the worlds. Qur'an 7:54

"those who seek will find the truth"

Many reverts to Islam do just that.