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Related thread Shabad, Naam, Amrit, Hukam, Guru - Are They Synonyms? http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/42026-shabad-naam-amrit-hukam-guru-they.html
The Nirgun (formless) - the TRUTH that has been, is present now, and will always forever be can be experienced within your very being...deep within you is that shining light that is waiting to show you first hand the TRUTH of Waheguru that Gurbani talks of...Q: How to follow truth?
Please give your input - if possible a short straight answer first followed by any explanations. This helps to avoid confusion, Thanks. Apologies if I am asking for too much.:interestedsingh:
Q: How to follow truth?
This question is along the same lines as 'how to learn' or 'how to study', its hard work, frankly, it is such hard work, sometimes even I feel the need to go and do something else a bit easier, maybe light a few lamps, or stare at a picture, grab a load of beads and have a bit of a meditation session, the mumbling I like too, because that is quite easy!
I could grow my hair, wear a turban, start going to Gurdwara, maybe go on a pilgrimage, say to Hemkunt, and spend my days doing all this stuff, but quite frankly, in my view, there is only way to live like a Sikh, and it is bloody hard, but the rewards are too great to ignore.
I must go now, I have to check the poorenmashi dates on my calender
A better question would be
'how to live each and every minute as the Creator would, given the facets of Creator we already know from Mool Mantra'
so thats the easy bit, the hard bit is actually doing it, or trying to do it, or giving it your best and trying to improve it, again, frankly, until one has mastered this, I see little point in digging for further jewels in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, however, what I do know from experience is that living like this enables consonance with surroundings, which in turn leads to better perception of the environment around you.
I don't agree that we could replace the question about following truth with way of living. rephrasing will lose the actual purpose of question. (how to live each and every minute as the Creator would, given the facets of Creator we already know from Mool Mantra)
so thats the easy bit, the hard bit is actually doing it, or trying to do it, or giving it your best and trying to improve it, again, frankly, until one has mastered this, I see little point in digging for further jewels in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, however, what I do know from experience is that living like this enables consonance with surroundings, which in turn leads to better perception of the environment around you.
So does your "this" and above in blue refer to "Way of living"-
I think that will just cover this part: Kirat Karo,Wand chako-- But what about Naam Japo? wasnt that important?
As we have discussed earlier: NAAM=Shabad =truth . and the question is how to follow truth, how to practice naam, how to follow shabad? does that make sense? confusing sorry!
Sorry again, another question just struck: Then Is it OK to see Guru Granth Sahib ji as living Guru?(Considering it a book of teachings)
- i will post it as a new forum question .looking forward for your reply.Thanks
To reach the house of Nanak and be a Sikh is not of choice and chance but a reward of good deeds.
Hey yearning soul, listen to the voice within and do what pleases thee, for the God of Nanak, satnam, will find you, regardless of form or substance.
Better still, watch LIFE OF PI for realisation of a form guru.
House of Nanak teaches the culmination of form to formlessness. Moreover, Nanak says, its not the sikh that finds the perfect guru but the perfect guru that finds the perfect sikh. Go-on and exhaust your search for a form master for the real Guru is the "word" [shabd guru surat dhun chela].
There is in nature, eliteness, hierarchy and much more, but to understand purity [Khalsa] one must recognise impurity by reason or existence. So go ahead, quench your thirst and make your destiny.
To reach the house of Nanak and be a Sikh is not of choice and chance but a reward of good deeds. That is not to say, other religions and faiths are any less attractive and less meaningful; alas no ! But by the grace of God - is the house of Nanak found.
Consider yourself fortunate if you'd be given a "word" let alone many - from the vast ocean of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Says Nanak, "....Nanak nam ja'haj ha jo chara so uttra par" [those on board Nanak's ship will cross the sea of life]
Goodnight -
you mean like a carrot?
.....the context within which the word Sikh is to be construed is "student", en route transformation from mere human to spiritual being, thus humankinds true nature.
Materialistic incentives don't appeal to the yearning soul, but alone, the calling from Akal Purakh and that too, at the grace of satguru.
Many thanks
.....the context within which the word Sikh is to be construed is "student", en route transformation from mere human to spiritual being, thus humankinds true nature.
Materialistic incentives don't appeal to the yearning soul, but alone, the calling from Akal Purakh and that too, at the grace of satguru.
I do not wish to transform myself to a spiritual being, am I doing something wrong? Are you suggesting I am not at my stage of true nature? I am, after all , a Sikh.
what about spiritual incentives?
Does an incentive cease to be an incentive if it is spiritual?
H - sorry for the late response, had back to back meetings !
The presumption is that anyone surfing Sikh Philosophy Network on a regular basis is prima facie, a Sikh.
By definition then a Sikh is, collectively and independently a being who believes in SGGSJ
Whatever I say is taken and referenced by the authoritative house of Nanak, that is, SGGSJ. I dare not error the spirit nor the letter, but can as a prudent man misinterpret, in which case I must be corrected.
I didYou said, " I do not wish to transform myself to a spiritual being"
ok this is all getting a bit Monty Python, I am tempted to shout out that you are 'making this up as you go along' but if you have not seen the film, that probably will not make much sense. Ok, the answer you are looking for is 'No', however, your question is slightly flawed, a butterfly would not have much opinion on changing from a caterpillar to a butterfly, as it is already a butterfly, does a caterpillar want to change from a caterpillar to a butterfly is probably what you meant, but having said all that, I would like to think a persons desire to live life according to SGGS, and the metamorphosis of a caterpillar are slightly different.Consider the butterfly; does it want to change from a caterpillar to a butterfly?
Probably not
but will without choice change [evolution] because of it's potentiality
Similarly, Nanak's philosophy is to that end, human potential to become spiritual. Insofar choice and preferriantil, Nanak advocates Liberty of body, mind and soul.
"Granted" you don't want to transform
but guess what ?
Gonna miss you on that spiritual plane. Conversely, there will always be an excuse to come and visit mortal men. So in way - thank you ! Please don't take it the wrong way ha !
ight n Wrong are moral issues, which don't really come into the equation because of the law of causality - jo kara so bhara full stop. As for you having erred in anyway, never. It's my pleasure to be talking to someone like you.
As I said above H, human nature has the pontential to change and it's never a question of choice,
but of circumstance and situation. God has brought us on this here page not incidently but coincidentally. This is a meaningful coincident - state of grace which befalls the few.
H - can we do incentive another time, I've got to do my path n have roti !
Indeed they're different, but they are nevertheless, analogously representational to the case at hand. That is to say, the "potential" [darwinian evolution - life a process of interactions between matter and energy described by the laws of physics and chemistry], actual [caterpillar] and eternal [butterfly]. Exactly what Baba Ji Nanak is saying [938 SGGSJ], albeit metaphorically; hey human how about utilising to the max your potential. But of course, if the end result is happiness and one is happy - why dig ! And, I agree with you 100% from a practical application perspective in the service of humankind. I say ride-on.
You bet, and of course, by virtue of being at SPN, the connotation is and, the mark of spirituality. For who otherwise when there is plenty out there, even for a moment, be glued to this here wave ? Only the "Point Break" surfer. H - you're spiritual without you knowing ! The butterfly knows nothing of the lift, wind speed, air resistance, vacuum and indeed physics in general. That does not prevent it from flying. It was born to fly. Emerged from the depths of water with the ability to do something it could never understand.
Determinism with a wee bit of choice as seen through the lens of Moral Philosophy. Of course, you've got chance and probability looming all the time, but as for fate, like you I'm a Sikh and believe, um ? Tell tale will illustrate better: once upon a time, two Kings came into dispute over a plot of land. Both decided to battle it out. Both of them paid obeisance to this one Baba Ji. And, visits him separately.
King 1: Baba Ji, I'll be engaged in battle, help win the battle.
Baba Ji: Worry not, for you will surely win.
King 1 returns to his kingdom and celebrates with wine women and the rest amongst his warrior army.
King 2: Baba Ji, I'll be engaged in battle, help win the battle.
Baba Ji: Sorry, for you will lose.
King 2 returns to his kingdom, gathers his soldiers and said, "we'll lose the battle is what the oracle predicted, but because we're warriors we'll give'em a bloody good fight. So pack your bags and meet me for a drill at 5am".
Battle ensues, King 2 wins. So much for destiny hey H - Sikhs make their own destiny where I come from.
end result is happiness? am I happy? I have no interest in being happy, just content.
what is your definition of spirituality?
Real happiness is the state of pleasant mood. No worries; no fears; no ill thoughts. It arises from meeting a near and dear one or person of your liking; a work having been completed better than expected; g ood results or unexpected positive results etc.