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JapjiSahib04 Ji..
Guru Ji keeps on telling us about How Hugely INVALUABLE and PRICELESS our Body is..devtas run after it..its the HARMANDAR that har sajjiah..its the VEHICLE of attaining His Mokh duaar..etc etc etc..and Guru ji details how empty rituals fasts, torturing teh body via kneeling on stones, bleeding knees on steps, one arm up in the air dhoonees etc etc etc all DONT MAKE HIM the least bit happy...rituals of mumbling his so called "name" as Mantar etc.
If we just read and UNDERSTAND Guru Amardass jis shabads on Harmandar..eh sareera meriah we can get so much..BUT Alas..we keep on FALLING DOWN into the HELL HOLE Guru ji dragged us out of over a period of 250 YEARS.....we fall abck on chanting meaningless mantars names. we fast..we bathe at teeraths..we hold paths..we hold ardasses, we pay for kirtan darbars..we do EVERYTHING..except what GURU JI ASKS US...

WE SIKHS are the MOST UNFORTUNATE people on earth..we got such a Good Master who told us all thes ecrets..but we prefer to close our eyes and minds and chase useless dreams..smoke screens...dhundh...foggyness to sunlight of GYAAN... so sad...

Thanks again for the wonderful meaning of SAADH SANGAT...i fully agree.
 

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By simply speaking something can one obtain His love? No - Gurmat does not teach these short-cut hypocrate mantars?

You are correct ji, by simply speaking we connot invoke His love...
BUT, you are assuming that anyone who sits, meditates, and does simran using shabads from Gurbani or the Gurmanter Waheguru is just merely speaking.

This is where assumption is dangerous.

I do not think for the many that are doing their simran in this way that it is a hypocrate short cut.

If i close my eyes and use shabad's that are the physical manifestation of the Shabad that flows through whole of creation..these are not just mere words, they are vibrations from the Source

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by a love so deep, and a Thirst so strong, if mediated upon will assist in taking ones Dhiaan / attention to their own conscious existance within themselves. I say 'Assist' because it is one element in the tools that we use..not the only element

If you believe in it, your inner Shabad Guru will walk a thousand steps to greet you...

This is just from my experience, nothing more....your journey is unique in itself and is correct for you .. but it's not right that you should judge others actions if you haven't experienced 'exactly' what those actions are, and the feelings behind them.

Let us make our life worth by inventing something new for the betterment of humanity as 'avar kaaj tere kitai n kaam none of these rituals are worth anything, 'mil sadhsanghat - over here sadhsanghat is not number of people but our beautiful body thus keep all your body parts fit and bhaj keval naam - invent something new for the betterment of humanity and aapsi bhaichara by contemplating on the divine message.

I couldn't agree more...

But, Gurbani also makes it clear that this world is temporary, forever changing, and comes to an end.

so we must also look to take the journey 'within' to seek the part of us that is not temporary

The part of us that is FOREVER existing and the ultimate truth.

again, just my current thoughts and understanding ji...nothing more.


 

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Thanks so much chazSingh ji!

I want to remind everyone that you can still discuss "amrit vela" on this thread. If you want to be part of the 30-day amrit vela experience and want to share you personal experiences, please go to the blog http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/blogs/chazsingh/8301-daily-amrit-vela-blog-difficulties-joys.html

The thread title has been changed to introduce the new blog and reflect changes in the direction of the thread you are now reading.

Thanks to all.
 

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JapjiSahib04 Ji..
Thanks again for the wonderful meaning of SAADH SANGAT...i fully agree.
Giani Jio

I can never imagine that guru sahib is recommending us sadhsanghat of dera culture, dhadheriawale, Guru Iqbal Singh or sadh sanghat of Iqbal Singh of Patna Takhat waleh. We must be careful while interpreting and understanding gurbani. We are recommending and talking of meditating on one word whereas gurbani even rejects, ' ਪਾਠੁ ਪੜਿਓ ਅਰੁ ਬੇਦੁ ਬੀਚਾਰਿਓ ਨਿਵਲਿ ਭੁਅੰਗਮ ਸਾਧੇ ॥ ਪੰਚ ਜਨਾ ਸਿਉ ਸੰਗੁ ਨ ਛੁਟਕਿਓ ਅਧਿਕ ਅਹੰਬੁਧਿ ਬਾਧੇ ॥੧॥

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I have read so many times on this thread and others recently that the morning hours between 2am and 5am are special, magical and are specifically referred to 'amrit vela'. This is distorting meaning of Gurbani. No specific time is more special than others. If you present bani to the contrary I will be happy to reconsider. The concept of amrit vela is to encourage us to connect to Ik Oankaar all the time so every moment spent with that connection is called amrit vela. Restricting to a specific time is taking us away from that mindset.

I am not being purposefully argumentative. If anyone finds the morning best, I have great respect for them but putting that across as the best time endorsed by Gurbani is wrong, it should be a personal preference. Guru ji didn't discriminate against night owls so why should we?

Please pay special attention to the points highlighted in purple:
Life's Extremes: Early Birds vs. Night Owls

It's 6:30 a.m. For "early birds" or "larks," that's prime time. For "night owls," however, such an hour is ungodly.

Most of us are neither pure lark nor owl. But we all know people who can spring out of bed at the crack of dawn or stay alert well into the wee hours. In recent years, science has increasingly shown why these extremes exist.

Right from birth, our personal biological clocks are already wound. Genetics establishes a person's "chronotype," which is pegged to when his or her body feels up and at 'em.

"People span the range of those who are very early risers to very late setters, and this is genetically determined," said Frederick Brown, a professor of psychology at Penn State.

To a certain extent, behavior and environment — say, routinely pumping iron in a well-lit gym toward midnight — can shift our built-in predispositions. But for those of us squarely in one chronotype camp or the other, in the end, the body is the boss.

"If you're a morning-type person, you can't become an evening type, and vice versa," said Brown.

Internal clock
The underlying mechanism for our patterns of shut-eye is called a circadian rhythm. This 24-hour cycle of waxing and waning biological processes is found in almost all forms of life.

In human circadian rhythms, body temperature varies over the course of a day, usually peaking in the afternoon and bottoming out in the early morning. Secretions of the hormone melatonin also crest during the night, for instance.

The control center for the circadian rhythm involves two groups of nerve cells, called the suprachiasmatic nuclei (SCN), located in the mid-brain behind our eyes. "The circadian pacemaker has multiple projections in the brain affecting endocrine cycles, hormonal cycles — pretty much everything about your body," said Donna Arand, clinical director of the Kettering Sleep Disorders Center in Dayton, Ohio.

The interplay of a myriad of genes controls one's circadian rhythm. Back in 2003, researchers discovered a major player, called the Period 3 or "clock" gene. Early birds were more often found to have a longer version of the gene than night owls. [Read: Night Owls Stay Alert Longer than Early Birds]

Dawn or dusk
Natural variances in the circadian rhythm account for sleep session biases. About half of the population falls in the middle — neither a morning nor an evening type, Brown said. These people can adjust more easily to changes in dozing schedules.

"An intermediate person can, without too much difficulty, get up an hour or two earlier than usual, and also go to bed an hour or two later than usual without too much of a problem," Brown told LiveScience.

The remaining half of individuals split evenly into morning or evening types, though this preference "ranges from mild to extreme," said Brown.

Within the owl side of the populace, studies have suggested that around 17 percent of individuals have a clearly "delayed sleep phase," meaning they get tired later in the day than normal, according to Arand.

True early birds are a rarer species. Just 1 percent of the general population has an "advanced sleep phase," Arand said, becoming very drowsy in the early evening, yet they are bright-eyed and bushy-tailed well before the sun rises.

Each sleep-cycle group has a significant age clustering effect. During high-school and college years, hormonal changes and increased socialization prompt many adolescents to begin staying up late and sleeping in, Brown said.

Some of the elderly do just the opposite, partly as a result of less activity and age-related medications that have a sedative effect, such as those for high blood pressure, Arand said.

Can't change me
Despite these drifts in our dozing habits, people's true nature endures, Brown said. A large chunk of teenagers are in fact "wannabe owls," he said, while those with genuine preferences for the dim hours keep that schedule into old age.

At the snoozing extremes are those small fractions of people with sleep-phase disorders. About 0.15 percent have delayed sleep-phase disorder (DSPS), in whichtheir biological clocks are skewed to sleeping very "late" into the day, at least by societal norms (Noon, say).

The counterpart to DSPS, advanced sleep-phase disorder (ASPS), affects an even tinier sliver of the population, but the actual prevalence of both conditions is thought to be much higher.

As might be expected, DSPS is far more common in the young and ASPS more so in the old. Because sunlight exposure cues circadian rhythms, bright light therapy is often used to help treat both conditions by resetting a patient's internal clock.

Yet Brown and Arand believe that one's unavoidable preference for morning or evening should not be considered bad or unhealthy. Society, they agree, should be more accepting of inherent sleep-and-wake modes, particularly of night owls, for whom adhering to standard business hours is arduous.

"We know sleep is not a bad habit," Brown said. "It can't be kicked."

http://www.livescience.com/16334-night-owls-early-birds-sleep-cycles.html
 

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I don't think that anyone is saying that it is magical or heavenly as purely limited within those hours. Although, with most of our lifestyles and schedules it is the most practical time due to it being so quiet and peaceful at that time.
The only inconvenience is the sacrifice of personal sleep that one has to override. But saying this, i think that psychologically one feels that they have made the effort and it gives personal satisfaction as one is able to focus more easily in that time environment since the whole household will be fast asleep !!
That itself is the magical part, purely because of our time schedules !
 

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I don't think that anyone is saying that it is magical or heavenly as purely limited within those hours. Although, with most of our lifestyles and schedules it is the most practical time due to it being so quiet and peaceful at that time.
The only inconvenience is the sacrifice of personal sleep that one has to override. But saying this, i think that psychologically one feels that they have made the effort and it gives personal satisfaction as one is able to focus more easily in that time environment since the whole household will be fast asleep !!
That itself is the magical part, purely because of our time schedules !

Lucky Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

Our visionary Gurus never worked against the nature. They rather embraced it. Body clock is one of those parts of nature that can only be fought against when one has to make a living and has no choice, like night shifts, grave yard shifts etc. etc. and if you ask them that they are happy about their routine, the answer will be no for the obvious reasons.

I have no problem with what makes anyone feel good by doing meditation/simran/parroting or whatever one wants to call it in the early hours in the morning. If you feel good about it and can function all day long with your responsibilities and doing everyday seva, it is fine with me. If your body clock only requires 4 hours of sleep, it is OK. But if you get up at certain hours in the morning to do the above and then go off to sleep as many do, I do not find anything positive in it.

For me Simran is doing good which as a result makes one feel good, where as repeating some words just to feel good which the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru urges us not to,then it seems that we have failed to understand the meaning of Simran, Naam Japnah according to our visionary Gurus.

The same effect of repeating some "magic words" or better can be experienced while gazing at the stars at nights during full Moon or new Moon, sitting on the beach, hiking, running or just being quiet listening to the inner percussion of life.

Gurbani is not a placebo the way we treat it sometimes to be but a true elixir and this elixir is only in the Works by helping others, pitching in the society in a positive manner. A placebo is a self centered practice, not Ik Ong Kaar centered as Gurbani urges us to in my opinion. Gurbani is our tool box that teaches us how to lead our lives in the latter manner.

Many people do several Sehaj Paaths a year for different occasions, do so many Japs as someone told them to which include the Panj Pyaras when someone feels they have come off the path for a while and hence are "ordered" -Tankhah- to do 40 or 50 Sukhmanis, Japs, Dukhbhanjanis etc. etc.

This has nothing to do with Gurmat living but dwelling in dogmatic blind rituals that our Gurus warn us against through Gurbani. But sadly, we hope for "the miracles" like any other dogmatic people by trodding on the same beaten path of mechanical rituals where many have gone astray before us.

By the way, the last Sehaj Paath I finished this week took me 3 years, 5 months and 4 days. This is not only due to the skipped days for some unforeseen reasons but because I feel the need to study the same Shabad several times in order to grasp the glimpse of light shone in it through the cracks of my own life. This has been my routine, not to fast forward but to rewind often because this is the only one life we have and we should savour every nanosecond of it.

Enjoy your journey.

Regards

Tejwant Singh
 
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Lucky Singh ji,

For me Simran is doing good which as a result makes one feel good, where as repeating some words just to feel good which the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru urges us not to,then it seems that we have failed to understand the meaning of Simran, Naam Japnah according to our visionary Gurus.

The same effect of repeating some "magic words" or better can be experienced while gazing at the stars at nights during full Moon or new Moon, sitting on the beach, hiking, running or just being quiet listening to the inner percussion of life.

Gurbani is not a placebo the way we treat it sometimes to be but a true elixir and this elixir is only in the Works by helping others, pitching in the society in a positive manner. A placebo is a self centered practice, not Ik Ong Kaar centered as Gurbani urges us to in my opinion. Gurbani is our tool box that teaches us how to lead our lives in the latter manner.

Tejwant Singh

First time I learnt the meaning simran was when my father stopped the car on highway and said let us do simran. I was wondering whether he was trying muslim namaz. There was a accident on the other side and the person inside was struggling for life. We swiftly opened the door and the pulled person outside. By this time several people stopped the car and we manage to send him to hospital and saved his life.

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I personally see this as having very little to do with Sikhi itself per se, I think what Chazji is trying to do is encourage something akin to going to the gym. Let us not get bogged down with whether it is written or not, the guy is just trying to channel some positive energy into something that he believes works. I have my own feelings on the matter, and to be honest, I resonate more with Japhisahib04ji above, but, given all the bad practices and bad thoughts that we all do and think, just taking Sikhism out of it for a minute, waking up early in the morning and doing whatever it is that gives you a connection has got to be better than shooting up, browsing for porn, smoking drugs, etc etc etc,

I woke up the other morning and just played a few shabads and lost myself in the music, it was not so much meditation as just a peaceful time before the day started. Would I do it every day? probably not, this morning, I could not sleep again, so I woke up and played James Blunt, again it was a peaceful time, with some nice music, is what is being suggested slightly Vedic? yeah sure it is, its a bit 3HO, but, in the big scheme of things, where there are some truly nasty and stupid people out there who do all sorts in the name of Sikhi, I do think it is the big bad monster some of us make it out to be, I personally do not think this thread should turn into a big debate as to whether it is Sikhi or not.....
 

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I personally see this as having very little to do with Sikhi itself per se, I think what Chazji is trying to do is encourage something akin to going to the gym. Let us not get bogged down with whether it is written or not, the guy is just trying to channel some positive energy into something that he believes works. I have my own feelings on the matter, and to be honest, I resonate more with Japhisahib04ji above, but, given all the bad practices and bad thoughts that we all do and think, just taking Sikhism out of it for a minute, waking up early in the morning and doing whatever it is that gives you a connection has got to be better than shooting up, browsing for porn, smoking drugs, etc etc etc,

I woke up the other morning and just played a few shabads and lost myself in the music, it was not so much meditation as just a peaceful time before the day started. Would I do it every day? probably not, this morning, I could not sleep again, so I woke up and played James Blunt, again it was a peaceful time, with some nice music, is what is being suggested slightly Vedic? yeah sure it is, its a bit 3HO, but, in the big scheme of things, where there are some truly nasty and stupid people out there who do all sorts in the name of Sikhi, I do think it is the big bad monster some of us make it out to be, I personally do not think this thread should turn into a big debate as to whether it is Sikhi or not.....

Harry Veerji,
I also have admration for Chazji for his get up and go attitude. I try and engage people through Gurbani with Shabad of the Week, he tries to engage people with meditation-both are valuable for those struggling alone. I wish him well with the project. Where the difficulty lies is in semantics which are important. Time and again on many many threads, the time in the morning is called amrit vela when this is a distortion of Gurbani. Time and again we (the readers) are all told to try and change our routines and work towards the morning. I can think of several posts in recent months that push this. I do think this is a fundamental misunderstanding and found I could no longer keep quiet.

Firstly pushing the morning discriminates against night owls and shift workers. It also makes the process ritualistic. More importantly, labelling a specific time as amrit vela, moves us away from the true meaning of amrit vela and therefore the aim to try and be connected as much as possible. Using the words has a deep psychological impact of making amrit vela a tick box exercise rather than a LIFESTYLE.

If Chaz ji and Lucky ji and others called it meditation time or simran time I would have no problems with it as it would then not be changing the meaning of Gurbani. I promise I am not trying to be perverse but the Guru's word is sacred and should be used according to its true meaning. If meditation helps people achieve a Gurmat way of life then that is wonderful but by changing meanings of words this cannot be achieved.
 

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I absolutely agree with you on all counts, I do not think either of the boys have any agenda on the definition of Amrit Vela, but I also think it is important that people recognise that Amrit Vela is every hour, every minute, every second of our lives.

I do not think I am going to get away with the anti semantic joke anymore, so I guess I will have to think of something else every time the semantic word gets mentioned.

maybe we should call it early morning Amrit Vela!
 

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True to the point Harryji, Amrit vela just like ant kaal, is every moment of our day.
In fact we are blessed with a new breath followed by every previous breath yet the very next breath could even be the last.

I mean if I heard someone say ''Oh I can't do my nitnem now or my simran because I slept through amrit vela!!'' - then I too would have a good laugh at the stupidity of this logic.

Your right it's a very positive thing and suggestion by Chazji that can maybe help one of us. We are all different and we all respond differently to different actions.
Some of us can better ourselves by physically channeling energy into simran for awakening our true selves, yet others can do the same from other means.
For me personally, If I start my day by channeling energy into simran, then the vibrations of waheguru continue throughout the day no matter what comes in my path.
It helps me stay gurmat in my thoughts and actions because of the love and reassurance I get from simran.

There is a chemical in the brain called serotonin that gives us the feel good factor and makes us feel better about our own selves. Many drugs and antidepressants work by increasing these levels of serotonin such as SSRI and SNRI's.
In fact the physical and psychological 'feel good factor' that one gets by strenuous exercise or activity such as ''runners high'' is also because of this same chemical release.
Some people can also get this same release with sunlight(SAD),chocolates, sexual activity...etc..

I am more than certain that I can get this same release by simran and for me that is better than popping a pill (believe me, I've had enough antidepressants and uppers in my lifetime)
What amazes me is that not only do I get this feel good factor, but it gives me the divine feelings of anand and awareness that the lord is forever present within me and on the outwardly.
It's difficult to explain but it helps keep me very neutral and very calm, seeing that I have demonstrated manic depressive actions many times in my past.

I spent nearly a lifetime looking for this inner peace. I am ashamed to admit all of my activities but I had looked in all the clubs, strip joints, liquor bottles, champagne corks, tabs and smokes that there could possibly be, but never found what I was looking for.
In fact, I was so wound up in the looking with my fast cars, fast clothes and fast lifestyle that I got so lost and forgot what I was really searching for !!

Just like in gurbani it tells us that we can search and make pilgrimages to all the corners of the world but we won't find him unless we search within.
Sadly, this search within and starting with finding yourself doesn't happen in a day or two.
This search is what a lifetime of sikhi is about.
 
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