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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 167208" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p>So let me get this right, any cows you have had have not produced milk after giving birth. </p><p></p><p>Now either you do not understand basic bioligy or you have milk from mutant cows.<img src="/images/smilies/sikhsmileys/happykudi.jpg" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happykudi:" title="Happykudi :happykudi:" data-shortname=":happykudi:" /></p><p></p><p>The cow produces milk after giving birth only and for feeding its calf. In our farm in Punjab we had several, and we used to have to take the calf away and tie it up so it didn't drink the milk. THAT is how it works. THAT is the cruelty of milk. The calf pines for it mothers milk yet Vashnavites can justify that with hypocrasy.peacesign</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Err no. This post is a bit juvenille. This is aupposed to be an adult debate. If you do not understand basic biolicy, then ask me and I will explain.</p><p></p><p>The egg comes out of the Chickens uterus, and comes out part of its cycle. Looks like YOU did not read the site I posted on how eggs are produced which makes NO reference to chickens feeling pain when they lay eggs. :singhsippingcoffee: Here is a post from a chicken keeper:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/farmlife/msg1012434027916.html" target="_blank">http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/farmlife/msg1012434027916.html</a></p><p></p><p><em>The egg laying process is very dramatic! Here's what my hens do, see if it matches yours: when one is about to lay an egg, she will go rather frantically from nesting spot to nesting spot in the yard, all the while bawking and crying in a fretful tone, sometimes she'll seem downright frenzied. Sometimes other hens or the roo will accompiany her in her search for the Perfect Nesting Spot, and THEY have to get in on the noisemaking, too. The hen may also watch another hen who is laying, sticking her head in the nest box and cackling her head off at the top of her lungs. We call this the 'pre-egg cackle', and I think it serves to draw out any predators before the hen is committed to laying the egg and is stuck on the nest. When the hen is FINALLY actually ready to lay, she gets very quiet and secretive. She'll choose a nest (usually the same one she used before, despite all the searching that went on before) and as she sits, will seem to go into a trance, being quite still. When the egg is coming out she will stand up and concentrate hard (Moms who have seen their small children passing a bowel movement know this look!) and seem to strain a bit, then out pops the egg! After this she may stay and mother it for a few minutes, then will leap from the nest cackling loudly and sometimes running. Most of the time she'll go and eat a little food and have a drink. </em></p><p><em><strong>All the hens treat their egg laying (and everyone else's) as a cause for loud <a href="http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/farmlife/msg1012434027916.html#" target="_blank"><span style="color: darkgreen">celebration</span></a>. I think the noise you are hearing is that rather than screams of pain.</strong> <strong> Also, for first-time layers, there is that freaked-out, 'what the heck just happened to me?!' quality to the hens' reaction to laying her first eggs.</strong> *L* They take this more in stride as they mature. The only time I'd worry is if you suspect a hen is egg-bound, and then you need to act very quickly. It isn't very common in chickens who get a good diet and proper care though. The symptoms of an eggbound hen are fairly marked, if you want to read more on it research the Internet or click on my 'My Page' link, I've discussed eggbinding there a bit. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually I did and I find it reprehensible BUT my answer to that was to buy ORGANIC and FREERANGE. Please look the terms up. I suggest you do that with all the veg you buy as well, to prevent cruelty to animals and the environment.welcomekaur</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 167208, member: 1323"] So let me get this right, any cows you have had have not produced milk after giving birth. Now either you do not understand basic bioligy or you have milk from mutant cows.:happykudi: The cow produces milk after giving birth only and for feeding its calf. In our farm in Punjab we had several, and we used to have to take the calf away and tie it up so it didn't drink the milk. THAT is how it works. THAT is the cruelty of milk. The calf pines for it mothers milk yet Vashnavites can justify that with hypocrasy.peacesign Err no. This post is a bit juvenille. This is aupposed to be an adult debate. If you do not understand basic biolicy, then ask me and I will explain. The egg comes out of the Chickens uterus, and comes out part of its cycle. Looks like YOU did not read the site I posted on how eggs are produced which makes NO reference to chickens feeling pain when they lay eggs. :singhsippingcoffee: Here is a post from a chicken keeper: [url]http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/farmlife/msg1012434027916.html[/url] [I]The egg laying process is very dramatic! Here's what my hens do, see if it matches yours: when one is about to lay an egg, she will go rather frantically from nesting spot to nesting spot in the yard, all the while bawking and crying in a fretful tone, sometimes she'll seem downright frenzied. Sometimes other hens or the roo will accompiany her in her search for the Perfect Nesting Spot, and THEY have to get in on the noisemaking, too. The hen may also watch another hen who is laying, sticking her head in the nest box and cackling her head off at the top of her lungs. We call this the 'pre-egg cackle', and I think it serves to draw out any predators before the hen is committed to laying the egg and is stuck on the nest. When the hen is FINALLY actually ready to lay, she gets very quiet and secretive. She'll choose a nest (usually the same one she used before, despite all the searching that went on before) and as she sits, will seem to go into a trance, being quite still. When the egg is coming out she will stand up and concentrate hard (Moms who have seen their small children passing a bowel movement know this look!) and seem to strain a bit, then out pops the egg! After this she may stay and mother it for a few minutes, then will leap from the nest cackling loudly and sometimes running. Most of the time she'll go and eat a little food and have a drink. [B]All the hens treat their egg laying (and everyone else's) as a cause for loud [URL="http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/farmlife/msg1012434027916.html#"][COLOR=darkgreen]celebration[/COLOR][/URL]. I think the noise you are hearing is that rather than screams of pain.[/B] [B] Also, for first-time layers, there is that freaked-out, 'what the heck just happened to me?!' quality to the hens' reaction to laying her first eggs.[/B] *L* They take this more in stride as they mature. The only time I'd worry is if you suspect a hen is egg-bound, and then you need to act very quickly. It isn't very common in chickens who get a good diet and proper care though. The symptoms of an eggbound hen are fairly marked, if you want to read more on it research the Internet or click on my 'My Page' link, I've discussed eggbinding there a bit. [/I] Actually I did and I find it reprehensible BUT my answer to that was to buy ORGANIC and FREERANGE. Please look the terms up. I suggest you do that with all the veg you buy as well, to prevent cruelty to animals and the environment.welcomekaur [/QUOTE]
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