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Why Are There So Many Religions?

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Satyaban ji

It is not so much a matter that you were wrong. The subject is extremely complicated and the "right" answer depends on mostly which strand of vedantic belief or practice one belongs to.

There are many other examples.

Thanks for the pic as it is pretty cool.
 

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RELIGION/ਧਰਮੁ

ABSTRACT

According to Sabd Guru there is only one religion of righteousness on this earth – to truthfully obey the Eternal Laws of Mother Nature/Divine Will but others are created by man for the main purpose of controlling followers by institutionalizing them. But righteousness should become an individual's internal "law," to which obedience must be given if he aspires to live in accordance with the Absolute Creative Principle of Truth (Akal Purkh). Guru Nanak ponders about it in Raag Basant;

ਏਕੋ ਧਰਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜੈ ਸਚੁ ਕੋਈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਪੂਰਾ ਜੁਗਿ ਜੁਗਿ ਸੋਈ ॥

Ayko Dharam Dirrhai Such Koyee, Gurmat Pooraa Jug Jug So-ee.

Let everyone grasp the truth that there is only one sole faith of righteousness. One guided by the Master, age after age stays perfect.-----Guru Nanak, Raag Basant, AGGS, Page, 1188-15

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Dharma is one of the primary Sikh virtues. It requires an individual’s active participation in obeying the universal, eternal laws of Mother Nature. Dharma arises from the verbal root dhri, a Sanskrit word. It means support or a manner of being. Hence Dharma must be understood in its original, metaphysical context. It implies conforming to a Divine or Creative Principle at work in an individual. Dharma, thus, broadly refers to a universal value system. A person with faith does not need an explanation but for the one without faith no explanation is enough. The priceless and smallest seed of faith is better than the largest fruit of happiness.

ਅਮੁਲੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਅਮੁਲੁ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥

Amul Dharam Amul Deebaan.

Priceless is the Divine Law of righteousness, Priceless is the Divine Court of Justice. -----Guru Nanak, Japji, AGGS, Page, 5-17

Guru Arjan in Raag Gauri states that chanting the name of the God while maintaining ethical conduct in all of one’s dealings is the best faith;

ਸਰਬ ਧਰਮ ਮਹਿ ਸ੍ਰੇਸਟ ਧਰਮੁ ॥ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਿ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਕਰਮੁ ॥

Sarab Dharam Meh Srayst Dharam, Har Ko Naam Jup Nirmal Karam.

Of all religions, the best religion is to chant the Name of the Akal Purkh and maintain pure conduct. -----Gur Arjan, Raag Gauri, AGGS, Page, 266-13

ਸਗਲ ਮਤਾਂਤ ਕੇਵਲ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ॥ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਭਗਤ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਬਿਸ੍ਰਾਮ ॥

Sagal MataaNt Kayval Har Naam, Gobind Bhagat Kai Man Bisraam.

The essence of all religious doctrines and principles is the contemplation Akal Purkh's Name alone, which abides in the minds of the devotees of God. -----Guru Arjan, Raag Gauri Sukhmani, AGGS, Page, 296-4

Righteousness is the essential character or nature of all that is, of the universe and of each of us. It is the natural, rightful order and foundation of everyone and everything. It both explains why things are as they are and indicates the path to a spiritual awakening. As such, dharma is the underlying Truth of all spiritual traditions. Guru Nanak taught that Truth is God for the Sikhs. One has to make an honest attempt to be righteous without being ritualistic. An example of a ritual is an Akhand Path performed on someone’s behalf, while he is absent and cannot listen to it, much less contemplate on it. No religious ceremonies are needed in an earnest prayer, as indicated by Guru Nanak in Siri Raag;

ਤੀਰਥ ਵਰਤ ਸੁਚਿ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਰਮੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਨਹੀ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ਨਾਨਕ ਭਾਇ ਭਗਤਿ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਾ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਵਿਆਪੈ ਦੂਜਾ ॥

Ŧirath varaṯ sucẖ sanjam nāhī karam ḏẖaram nahī pūjā, Nānak bẖā¬ė bẖagaṯ nisṯārā ḏubiḏẖā vi¬āpai ḏūjā.

Thus pilgrimages, fasts, external purification and self-restraints are of no use. Hollow rituals and empty worship are of no consequence, if one remains ensnared in duality. O Nanak, emancipation comes only by loving devotional worship. -----Guru Nanak, Siri Raag, AGGS, Page, 75- 17 & 18

Webster’s dictionary defines faith as cosmic order or law. This order encompasses natural and moral principles that apply to all beings and things. Hence, it is incumbent on us to observe this law dutifully. Our conduct in daily life must be right. Most of us understand that faith is a system of religious beliefs that do not require any proof or evidence. To Guru Nanak this law meant that truth was above all and above that was a truthful conduct;

ਸਚਹੁ ਓਰੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਉਪਰਿ ਸਚੁ ਆਚਾਰੁ ॥

Sachoh Oorai Sabh Ko Ouper Such Aachaar.

Truth is above all and above Truth is Truthful conduct. -----Guru Nanak, Raag Sri, AGGS, Page, 62-11

A basic tenet of Sikh Faith is the equality of all human beings. Hence a Sikh respects human rights and human dignity. Simultaneously, there is a belief in the Spirit of God. It does not advocate renunciation as a way to salvation, but prizes a householder’s life lived with accountability, honesty and sharing. Sikhs accept the will of God gracefully. Yet one’s Faith should be grounded in reason. When faith becomes blind it dies. Guru Nanak always proved his point through examples and stressed that the real and right way of life is through honest labor and sharing.

ਘਾਲਿ ਖਾਇ ਕਿਛੁ ਹਥਹੁ ਦੇਇ ॥ਨਾਨਕ ਰਾਹੁ ਪਛਾਣਹਿ ਸੇਇ ॥

Ghaal Khaa-ay Kichh Hathahu Day-ay, Nanak Raahu Pachhaaneh Say-ay.

One who works for what he eats, and share some of what he has with the others; O Nanak, he knows the Path. -----Guru Nanak, Raag Sarang, AGGS, Page, 1245-19

Sikh faith advocates the subjugation of lower human instincts and the development of higher instincts. Its hallmarks are free service or Seva, meditation, prayer, and earning a living through honest labor. A Sikh shares food with others especially with the needy ones.

ਮੰਨੈ ਮਗੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਪੰਥੁ ॥ ਮੰਨੈ ਧਰਮ ਸੇਤੀ ਸਨਬੰਧੁ ॥

Mannai Mag Na Chalai Panth, Mannai Dharam Saytee Sanbandh.

By acting on Akal Purkh’s Will, one follows the path of righteousness and is not led astray. The faithful are firmly bound to the righteousness. -----Guru Nanak, Japji, AGGS, Page, 3-9

ਨਾ ਜਾਣਾ ਕਰਮ ਕੇਵਡ ਤੇਰੀ ਦਾਤਿ ॥ ਕਰਮੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਤੇਰੇ ਨਾਮ ਕੀ ਜਾਤਿ ॥

Naa Jaanaa Karam Kayvad Tayree Daat, Karm Dharam Tayray Naam Ki Jaat.

I do not know about karma, or how great Your gifts are. The karma of actions, the righteousness, social class and status, are all contained within Your Name.-----Guru Nanak, AGGS, Page, 154-2

Weave in faith and God will find the thread. A little faith will bring your soul to heaven, but a lot of faith will bring heaven to your soul.

Faith can move mountains, but don't be surprised if God hands you a shovel. ~Author Unknown

ਕਬੀਰਾ ਜਹਾ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਤਹ ਧਰਮੁ ਹੈ ਜਹਾ ਝੂਠੁ ਤਹ ਪਾਪੁ ॥ ਜਹਾ ਲੋਭੁ ਤਹ ਕਾਲੁ ਹੈ ਜਹਾ ਖਿਮਾ ਤਹ ਆਪਿ ॥

Kabir Jhaa Giaan Teh Dharam Hai Jhaa Jhooth Teh Paap, Jhaa Loabh Teh Kaal Hai Jhaa Khima Teh Aap.

Kabir, where there is spiritual wisdom, there is righteousness. Where there is falsehood, there is sin. Where there is greed, there is death. Where there is forgiveness, there is God It self.-----Kabir Sloke 155, AGGS, Page, 1372

An equal importance is given to the cultivations of values. These values include universal principles of self-control, decent and dignified behavior towards both men and women. One should be honest and earn his livelihood truthfully. He has obligations at work, in the family and to society that must be carried out honestly. One must not harm the others or the environment, but should keep it clean and not abuse nature. As advised by Guru Nanak in Raag Malar, one should pray, observe austerities and work towards self-realization;

ਸਰਮੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਦੁਇ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਜੇ ਧਨੁ ਪਲੈ ਪਾਇ ॥ ਸੋ ਧਨੁ ਮਿਤ੍ਰੁ ਨ ਕਾਂਢੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸਿਰਿ ਚੋਟਾਂ ਖਾਇ ॥

Saram Dharam Doey Nanaka Jay Dhan Palai Paa-ey, So Dhan Mitar Na KaaNdhee-ai Jit Sir ChotaaN Khaa-ay.

Modesty and righteousness both, O Nanak, are the qualities of those who are blessed with true wealth. Do not refer to that wealth as your friend, which leads you to get your head beaten.-----Guru Nanak, Raag Malar, AGGS, Page 1287-11

As One’s faith is strengthened things will flow easily and one flows with them in ease and delight. It is the optimism in the faith that leads to achievement -- nothing can be accomplished without hope and confidence. He who has faith has an inward reservoir of courage, hope, confidence, calmness. He exudes the faith that all will come out well in the end. Feed your faith and your fears will starve to death.

Conclusion:

The basic principles of Sikh faith are Truth, Living the Truth, rigorous honesty, compassion, contentment, righteousness, and fortitude. Truth and rigorous honesty are only tonics to invigorate the mind towards right thought. Truth is discovered, recognized and then lived and realized by mind. Truth is the only source of all Cosmic and mundane riches. Truth is its own reward. It builds him, who builds on it. A well-trained mind, trained to Truth concentrated on living and realizing is the need of every individual. For the truly faithful, no miracle is necessary, but for those who doubt, no miracle is sufficient. In short one should banish pride, worldly love, and envy. Bear no ill-will for the others if you want to avoid their ill will towards you. One should walk humbly and speak civilly to all.

One’s Beliefs (blind faith) Become One’s Thoughts-And Thoughts Become Words-Words Become Actions- Actions Become Habits-Habits Become Character-Character Becomes one’s Destiny- and later is doomed with out good character.

Bhai Gurdas illustrate these values in his 11th Vaar;

ਕਾਮੁ ਕਰੋਧ ਵਿਰੋਧੁ ਹਰਿ ਲੋਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਤਜਾਇਆ ॥ ਸਤਿ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਦਇਆ ਧਰਮੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਦਾਨੁ ਇਸਨਾਨ ਦਿ੍ੜਾਇਆ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਸਿਖ ਲੈ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੁ ਸਦਾਇਆ ॥

Kaam Krodh Virodh Har Lobh Moh Ahankar Taja-e-aa, Sat Santokh Daya Dharam Naam Daan Isnaan Dirrhaa-e-aa, Gur Sikh Lai Gursikh Sada-e-aa.

Sabd-Guru’s teachings can eradicate one’s lust, anger, resistance, greed and infatuation. Ego erased makes him practice truth, contentment, dharma, Naam, charity and ablution. One is called a Sikh of the Guru, only if he adopts the way shown by his Guru.-----Bhai Gurdas, Vaar 11, Pauri, 3

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Wow brother that was quite a post and very enlightening. In some ways we think the same ans in some way we think differently. for instance to quote from your post "The original Sanskrit word for dualism is Dvaita, and for non-dualism Advaita", of course we use these terms I refrained from using them but mention the meaning we attach to them in fact I almost quoted Satguru Sivaya Submunniyaswami. Furthermore you went on to say or quote "Some worship the stone idol and other wear a lingam around their neck; some recognize God in the south and others bow their heads to the west; some ignorant ones worship the images and others worship the dead; the entire world is engrossed in false rituals and none knows the mystery of the Divine." Many of us believe that since God is in us, to include you, all things seen and unseen and the places inbetween God is most certainly in a mountain, a rock or a piece of excrement. If you were a like minded person what would you like to have as a part of your worship, you can't drag a mountain in, certainly not another human and not a piece of excrement.

Since I am not a Sikh and although I am a member of this site I try to behave as a guest and try to include in my statements the phrase this I believe not this is the way it is because I don't have empirical evidence and neither do you. So I am a bit alarmed by this next quote.
"You prepare sweet treats and feed them to your stone god. God is not born, and does not die, you foolish, materialist! (Like AGGS considering it God)
-----Guru Arjan, Raag Bhairo, AGGS, Page, 1136-3"
I don't know I thought every religion made a symbolic offering or prassad to God before eating. I know it is your scripture but I question why you brought it out to call me a foll when it was germain to nothing my old sarcastic self wants to say something like wow you mean that stone head ain't alive I am powerfully glad you told me. All this time I thout he wasn't hungry phsaw you learn sompin evry day don't ya.

This is very hard for me to say and I can't remember the last time I said it but you are not one of my favorite people to talk to and will talk to you no more.

Peace
Satyaban




Satyaban ji,

Guru Fateh.

You seem offended by the verses from SGGS and by Virinder Ji expressing them. Rather than getting offended, it would be wise for you to present counter arguments from your belief system. This is the whole idea of interaction and exchanging ideas so that all of us can learn from each other.

You surprisingly end your post be saying the following:

This is very hard for me to say and I can't remember the last time I said it but you are not one of my favorite people to talk to and will talk to you no more.

I am sorry to say that the above says a lot more about your hatred,anger and disdain than the love and understanding your faith should help you breed in you. It shows your own negativity which I do not think is part of any faith, especially the one you embrace.

Regards

Tejwant Singh
 

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Satyaban ji says,

"This is very hard for me to say and I can't remember the last time I said it but you are not one of my favorite people to talk to and will talk to you no more."

Peace
Satyaban
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Dear Satyaban ji,

As stated by Teji Ji, the above statement shows resentment but towards who-I do not guess. Anger is a normal feeling which should be cooled down in a little bit but under its influence, individual cannot think straight as said by Guru Arjan and Guru Nanak;

ਹੇ ਕਲਿ ਮੂਲ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੰ ਕਦੰਚ ਕਰੁਣਾ ਨ ਉਪਰਜਤੇ॥ਬਿਖਯੰਤ ਜੀਵੰ ਵਸ੍ਯ੍ਯੰ ਕਰੋਤਿ ਨਿਰਤ੍ਯ੍ਯੰ ਕਰੋਤਿ ਜਥਾ ਮਰਕਟਹ ॥

Hė kal mūl kroḏẖ¬aʼn kaḏancẖ karuṇā na uparjaṯė. Bikẖ¬yanṯ jīvaʼn vas¬yaʼn karoṯ nirṯ¬yaʼn karoṯ jathā marakteh.


O, Anger, the source of strife, the person haunted by your presence within, never receives Akal Purkh’s Grace. As a matter of fact, whosoever comes under your control jumps and dances around like a monkey.-----Guru Arjan, Sloke Sahskriti, AGGS, Page, 1358-6


ਭੰਉਕੈ ਕੋਪੁ ਖੁਆਰੁ ਹੋਇ ਫਕੜੁ ਪਿਟੇ ਅੰਧੁ ॥ ਚੁਪੈ ਚੰਗਾ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਵਿਣੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਮੁਹਿ ਗੰਧੁ ॥

Bẖaʼnukai kop kẖu¬ār ho¬ė fakaṛ pitė anḏẖ. Cẖupai cẖanga nānkā viṇ nāvai muhi ganḏẖ.


Anger barks and brings ruin on itself, blindly pursuing useless conflicts. It is good to be silent, O, Nanak; without the Name, one's mouth spews forth only filth.-----Guru Nanak, Raag Malar, AGGS, Page, 1288-13

But resentment is a disease which is like smouldering fire and can ruin some one's personality and behavior and here are my two cents on the subject for your perusal;


RESENTMENTS/ਕਰੋਧ


ABSTRACT

Resentment is a low grade persistent anger harbored for a long period of time. It can be caused by egotistical behavior guided by “who is right” rather than humbly by” What is right”? It is a smoldering fire, which can get ignited any time with even a mild provocation. Whereas anger is a short lived normal feeling and makes the individual irrational. It becomes an unresolved anger, which one has over a negative event which occurred in one’s past life. It can only be resolved with forgiveness. Without forgiveness life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation. Kabir says where there is forgiveness, there is God Itself.

ਕਬੀਰਾ ਜਹਾ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਤਹ ਧਰਮੁ ਹੈ ਜਹਾ ਝੂਠੁ ਤਹ ਪਾਪੁ ॥ਜਹਾ ਲੋਭੁ ਤਹ ਕਾਲੁ ਹੈ ਜਹਾ ਖਿਮਾ ਤਹ ਆਪਿ ॥

Kabira Jahaa Gi-aan Tah Dharam Hai Jahaa Jhooth Tah Paap, Jaha Lobh Teh Kaal Hai Jaha Khima Teh Aap.

Kabir, where there is spiritual wisdom, there is righteousness. Where there is falsehood, there is sin. Where there is greed, there is death. Where there is forgiveness, there is God Itself. ------Sloke Bhagat Kabir # 155, AGGS, Page, 1372-15

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Resentment is a feeling of deep and bitter anger and ill-will. Resentment is anger excited by a sense of personal injury. Guilt is anger directed at ourselves -- at what we did or did not do. Resentment is anger directed at others -- at what they did or did not do. It is, etymologically, that reaction of the mind which we instinctively feel when we think ourselves wronged. Pride and selfishness are likely to aggravate this feeling. Guru Arjan advises in Rag Bilawal;

ਮਾਟੀ ਸਿਉ ਮਾਟੀ ਰਲੀ ਨਾਗਾ ਉਠਿ ਜਾਈ ॥ਜਾ ਕੈ ਕੀਐ ਸ੍ਰਮੁ ਕਰੈ ਤੇ ਬੈਰ ਬਿਰੋਧੀ ॥ਅੰਤ ਕਾਲਿ ਭਜਿ ਜਾਹਿਗੇ ਕਾਹੇ ਜਲਹੁ ਕਰੋਧੀ ॥

Maatee Si-o Maatee Ralee Naagaa Outh Jaa-ee, Jaa Kai Kee-ai Saram Karai Tay Bair BiroDhee, Unt Kaal Bhaj Jaahigay Kaahay Jalahu KaroDhee.

Your dust shall mix with dust; you shall arise and depart naked. Those, for whom you work, will become your spiteful enemies. In the end, they will run away from you; why do you burn for them in anger? -----Guru Arjan, Raag Bilawal, AGGS. Page, 809-15

Resentment is harboring animosity against a person or group of people who, one believes, may have mistreated him. It is a seething, aching emotional turmoil felt whenever a certain person or event is discussed. Nothing on earth consumes a man more quickly than the passion of resentment. Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die.

It occurs if forgiveness has not fully occurred due to an inability to let go and forget. It is the root of distrust and suspicion one has when dealing with people or events that brought him pain in the past.

It ends up in an unresolved grief, which one experiences and finds difficult to accept a loss. This may result in being heart broken because a great effort and much energy was spent to achieve something that was eventually lost.

It is the result of a feeling that one was unjustly victimized in a way with no resolution to the problem leading to a long-term suffering in silence when an open expression of hurt is unwanted and uninvited. Kabir ponder on the subject in Raag Bhairo;

ਕਾਮੁ ਕਿਵਾਰੀ ਦੁਖੁ ਸੁਖੁ ਦਰਵਾਨੀ ਪਾਪੁ ਪੁੰਨੁ ਦਰਵਾਜਾ ॥ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨੁ ਮਹਾ ਬਡ ਦੁੰਦਰ ਤਹ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਵਾਸੀ ਰਾਜਾ ॥

Kaam Kivaaree Dukh Sukh Darvaanee Paap Punn Darvaajaa, KroDh ParDhaan Mahaa Bad Dundar Tah Man Maavaasee Raajaa.

Lust is the window, pain and pleasure are the gate-keepers; virtue and sin are the gates. Clamorous wrath is the commander and the mind intractable king.-----Kabir, Raag Bhario, AGGS, Page, 1161-15 & 16

Etiology of resentments:

1. It could be due to passively acceptance of a negative treatment from the others, without ever expressing negative feelings about it and agreeing to do something for the others yet feeling that one is being taken advantage and taken for granted.

2. It could be due to trying to get others to see the point of view while they ignore or deny the truth or wisdom in what one has to say. It may come from seeing others succeed when they have not worked as hard as one has. One feels they don't deserve this measure of success.

3. It could also be due to going unrecognized for one’s good work or competence while others are recognized due to favoritism. One may have worked hard and yet may have been thwarted from enjoying the bounty of his success by the others due to discrimination or prejudice against him.

4. It can be caused by an impossible position in a relationship with someone where one is damned if he does and also damned if he doesn't do what the other person wants from him. One may be embarrassed by a person whose goal was to belittle him by constant rejection, disapproval, and abandonment.

HARBORING OF RESENTMENTS IS DETREMENTAL TO THE INDIVIDUAL

The power of resentment may far exceed any potency we may attribute to negative thinking. We may not be aware that:

1. A life, which includes deep resentment, leads only to futility and unhappiness.

2. The hours in which we allow futility and unhappiness in our lives are not worthwhile. Resentments waste our lives.

3. Resentments shut us off from the sunlight of the Spirit, thereby preventing the maintenance and growth of a spiritual experience.

4. When shadowed from the sunlight of the Spirit, resentment creates a physical poison in our bodies, in addition to the mental and spiritual maladies it feeds.

ਨਿਰਵੈਰੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਵੈਰੁ ਰਚਾਇਦਾ ਅਪਣੈ ਘਰਿ ਲੂਕੀ ਲਾਇ ॥ਅੰਤਰਿ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਹੈ ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਜਲੈ ਸਦਾ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਇ ॥

Nirvairai Naal Vair Rachaa-idaa Apnai Ghar Lookee Laa-ay, Antar Krodh Ahankaar Hai Undin Jalai Sadaa Dukh Paaey.

Whoever directs hatred against the Guru, who has no hatred at all, only sets his own home on fire. Anger and egotism are within him night and day; he burns, and suffers constant pain. -----Guru Amardas, Sloke Vaaran To Vadheek, AGGS, Page, 1415-9 & 10

ERADICATING RESENTMENTS

In trying to rid ourselves of resentments, we have to ask ourselves:

1. Who do you hold a grudge against?

2. What did they do that you found offensive?

3. How did you contribute to their action?

4. Why did you react with resentment?

The first lesson is that resentments cannot be cleared up until one knows that one have them and why. The second lesson is that one makes him/her self vulnerable to the outside world to an extraordinary extent. The entire self-concept has been molded by the opinions and actions of the others and one’s old thinking as to what he/she ought to be and were.

Next, it is necessary to be willing to let go of the resentment. Moreover, we must forgive the person we resent. Just accept right now that one is going to have to do it! There is no other course, because his/her life is now going to be on a different path -- of trusting and relying upon God.

We cannot be helpful to all people, but at least God will show us how to take a kindly and tolerant view of each and every one. Putting out of our minds the wrongs others had done, one must resolutely look for his/her own mistakes and fears.

Where had we been selfish, dishonest, self-seeking and frightened?

ਡਰਿ ਘਰੁ ਘਰਿ ਡਰੁ ਡਰਿ ਡਰੁ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਸੋ ਡਰੁ ਕੇਹਾ ਜਿਤੁ ਡਰਿ ਡਰੁ ਪਾਇ ॥

Dar Ghar Ghar Dar Dar Dar Jaaey, So Dar Kayhaa Jit Dar Dar Paa-ay.

Place the Fear of God within the home of your heart; with this Fear of God in your heart, all the other fears shall be frightened away. What sort of fear is that, which frightens other fears?

ਡਰੀਐ ਜੇ ਡਰੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ॥ ਡਰਿ ਡਰਿ ਡਰਣਾ ਮਨ ਕਾ ਸੋਰੁ ॥

Darī▫ai je dar hovai hor. Dar dar darṇā man kā sor.

Be afraid, if you have any fear, other than the Fear of God. Afraid of fear, and living in fear, the mind is held in tumult.-----Guru Nanak, Raag Gauri, AGGS, Page, 151-7 & 9

Though a situation had not been entirely our fault, we tried to disregard the other person involved entirely. Where were we to blame?

If we are sorry for what we have done, and have the honest desire to let God take us to better things, we should have faith that we will be forgiven. We should be grateful that we would have learned some lessons. If we are not sorry, and our conduct continues to harm the others, we are dwelling upon spiritual ignorance.
The question of how to approach the man we hated will arise. It may be he had done us more harm than we have done him and, though we may have acquired a better attitude toward him, we are still not too keen about admitting our faults. Nevertheless, with a person we dislike, we take the bit in our teeth. It is harder to go to an enemy than to a friend, but we may find it much more beneficial to us. We go to him in a helpful and forgiving spirit, confessing our former ill feeling and expressing our regret. Under no condition do we criticize such a person or argue.

When we retire at night, we should constructively review our day. Were we resentful, selfish, dishonest or afraid? Do we owe an apology? Have we kept something to ourselves, which should be discussed with another person at once? Were we kind and loving toward all? What could we have done better? Were we thinking of ourselves most of the time or were we thinking of what we could do for others, of what we could pack into the stream of life? But we must be careful not to drift into worry, remorse or morbid reflections, for that would diminish our usefulness to others. After making our review we ask God's forgiveness and inquire what corrective measures should be taken? “God save me from being angry and resentful. Thy will be done.” We should avoid retaliation or argument.

ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲ ਮਨਿ ਧਿਆਉ ॥ਕਾਢਿ ਕੁਠਾਰੁ ਪਿਤ ਬਾਤ ਹੰਤਾ ਅਉਖਧੁ ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਉ ॥

Har Kay Charan Kamal Man Dhi-aa-o, Kaadh Kuthaar Pit Baat Hantaa Aoukhadh Har Ko Naaou.

Meditate on the lotus feet of the God within your mind. The Name of the Akal Purkh is the medicine; it is like an axe, which destroys the diseases caused by resentment and egotism.-----Guru Arjan Raag Todi, AGGS, Page, 714-11

Overcoming resentments:

1. By admitting to self that there is unresolved resentment behind my hostile,
cynical and sarcastic attitude; I should decide to rid myself of it.

2. By doing private anger work-out toward the people I resent.

3. By writing a letter in which I detail all of the reasons for my resentment but NOT mailing it.

4. By identifying the ``hot buttons'' that indicate the presence of resentment in me and working at defusing their impact.

5. By working at a rational outlook on my past life so that it isn't a chain around my neck in the future.

ਨਾਨਕ ਅਉਗੁਣ ਜੇਤੜੇ ਤੇਤੇ ਗਲੀ ਜੰਜੀਰ ॥ ਜੇ ਗੁਣ ਹੋਨਿ ਤ ਕਟੀਅਨਿ ਸੇ ਭਾਈ ਸੇ ਵੀਰ ॥

Nanak Aougun Jetrrhay Tetay Galee Janjeer, Jay Gun Hoan Ta Katian Say Bhai Say Veer.

O Nanak, All evils are like chains thrown round the neck These are snapped by good Qualities, being our brothers and helpers.-----Guru Nanak, Raag Sorath, AGGS, Page, 595

6. By listing those for whom I had resentment and systematically working at forgiving and forgetting their past offenses.

7. By improving my self-esteem and self-worth; looking only to myself for approval and recognition.

8. By working with my support network to identify when I slip back into resentment over my past.

9. By developing self-affirmations and positive self-visualizations to overcome my negative outlook on life.

10. By re-establishing myself in pursuits in which I excelled, but dropped due to lack of perceived success and truth.

ਸੋ ਸੂਚਾ ਜਿ ਕਰੋਧੁ ਨਿਵਾਰੇ ॥ ਸਬਦੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਆਪੁ ਸਵਾਰੇ ॥

So Soochaa Jay Karodh Nivaaray, Sabday Boojhai Aap Savaaray.

He alone is pure, who eradicates anger. He realizes the Sabd, and reforms himself.-----Guru Amardas, Raag Maru, AGGSD, Page, 1059-18

The philosophy of thought that "God is the only power, and that evil is insubstantial; that we form our own destiny by our thoughts and our beliefs; that conditions do not matter when we pray; that time, space and matter are human illusions; that there is a solution to every problem; that man is the child of God, and God is perfect, good, absolute, and truth” is the only universal philosophy.

ਜੀਅ ਜੰਤ ਸਭਿ ਸੁਖਿ ਬਸੇ ਸਭ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਲੋਚ ॥ਪਰਉਪਕਾਰੁ ਨਿਤ ਚਿਤਵਤੇ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਛੁ ਪੋਚ ॥

Jee-a Jant Sabh Sukh Basay Sabh Kai Man Loch, Parupkaar Nit Chitvatay Naahee Kachh Poach.

All beings and creatures dwell in peace; the minds of all yearn for the God. Those who continually remember the It and do good deeds for others; they harbor no ill will towards anyone.-----Guru Arjan, Raag Bilawal, AGGS, Page, 815-19

“Love of Akal Purkh is absolutely invincible.” You must build up the true Love-consciousness of Akal Purkh by faithful daily exercise, and then all the rest of the spiritual development will follow. Love will heal you.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਬਦਿ ਕਰੋਧੁ ਜਲਾਵੈ ॥ ਗਗਨਿ ਨਿਵਾਸਿ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਲਗਾਵੈ ॥

Satgur Sabad Karodh Jalaavai, Gagan Nivaas SamaaDh Lagaavai.

Through the Word of the Guru's Sabd, he burns away his anger. He dwells in the Tenth Gate, immersed in the Samaadhi of deep meditation.-----Guru Nanak, Raag Asa, AGGS, Page, 411-12

Word of the Sabd leads to thoughts in mind, which are real. One cannot have one kind of mind and another kind of life. If we want to change our lives, then we must change our thoughts first through the Word of the Sabd. Thoughts lead to action, which in turn lead to the formation of habits and the latter result in the formation of character, which in turns leads to destiny. Strength of character means the ability to overcome resentment against others, to hide hurt feelings, and to forgive quickly.

ਮਮਾ ਮਨ ਸਿਉ ਕਾਜੁ ਹੈ ਮਨ ਸਾਧੇ ਸਿਧਿ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਨ ਸਿਉ ਕਹੈ ਕਬੀਰਾ ਮਨ ਸਾ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥

Mamma Man Seo Kaaj Hai Man Saadhay Sidh Hoey, Man Hee Man Si-o Kahai Kabiraa Man Saa Mili-aa Na Ko-ay.

The mortal's business is with his own mind; one who disciplines his mind attains perfection.-----Kabir, Raag Gauri, AGGS, Page, 343-3

Anger will never disappear so long as thoughts of resentment are cherished in the mind. Anger will disappear just as soon as thoughts of resentment are forgotten.

Conclusion:

Priority is love of humanity with humility. All other values are secondary in resolving resentments. Forgiveness is an integral part of the Pathway of Love. It is open to everyone in all circumstances. You may step in to it at any moment - at this current moment if you like. It requires no formal introduction and has no preconditions whatever. We have to get rid of selfishness, dishonesty, self seeking, and fear by taking shelter of Naam.

Once upon a time an older monk and a young monk were traveling together. They came to the bank of a river and found the bridge was damaged. They had to wade across the river. There they found a pretty lady stuck at the damaged bridge that couldn't cross the river on her own. The older monk offered to carry the pretty lady across the river on his back. The lady accepted.

The young monk was shocked by the move of the older monk. "How can elder disciple brother carry a lady when we are supposed to avoid all intimacy with females?" thought the young monk. But he kept quiet.

The older monk carried the lady across the river and the younger monk followed unhappily. When they had crossed the river, the elder monk let the lady down and they parted ways with her. All along the way for several miles, the young monk was very unhappy with the act of the old monk. He was making up all kinds of accusations about the old monk in his head. This got him madder and madder. But he still kept quiet. And the older monk had no inclination to explain his situation.

Finally, at a rest point many hours later, the young monk could not stand it any further, and he burst out angrily at the older monk. "How can you claim yourself a devout monk, when you seize the first opportunity to touch a female, especially when she is very pretty? All your teachings to me make you a big hypocrite."
The old monk looked surprised and said, "I had put down the pretty lady at the river bank many hours ago, how come you are still carrying her along?"

This very old Chinese Zen story reflects the thinking of many people today.

We encounter many unpleasant things in our life; they irritate and make us angry. Sometimes, they even cause us lot of hurt or make us bitter. But like the young monk, we are not willing to let them go away. We keep on carrying the baggage of the "unpleasant memory" with us. We let them keep on coming back to hurt us, make us angry, make us bitter and cause us a lot of agony.

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Tejwant ji:

"Satyaban ji,

Guru Fateh.

You seem offended by the verses from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and by Virinder Ji expressing them. Rather than getting offended, it would be wise for you to present counter arguments from your belief system. This is the whole idea of interaction and exchanging ideas so that all of us can learn from each other.

You surprisingly end your post be saying the following:


Quote:
This is very hard for me to say and I can't remember the last time I said it but you are not one of my favorite people to talk to and will talk to you no more.
I am sorry to say that the above says a lot more about your hatred,anger and disdain than the love and understanding your faith should help you breed in you. It shows your own negativity which I do not think is part of any faith, especially the one you embrace.

You read an awful lot in one sentence. I believe that Vrinder's using that particular quote out of context was derogatory to my faith and not constructive in any way. In hindsight I should have ignored it but I didn't. I don't see any anger or hatred in my statement or negativity it was a declarative sentence no more no less. Perhaps you jump to conclusions too fast and jump to extremes.

BTW I have forgotten what the quote said and have no more comments on the matter.

Peace
Satyaban
 

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Satyaban ji,

Guru Fateh.

You write:

You read an awful lot in one sentence. I believe that Vrinder's using that particular quote out of context was derogatory to my faith and not constructive in any way.
In what way was it derogatory? As I mentioned before, positive interaction can only take place if you show your counter arguments and give reasons. Just blanket statements do not do any good.



In hindsight I should have ignored it but I didn't.
One wonders why!

I don't see any anger or hatred in my statement or negativity it was a declarative sentence no more no less. Perhaps you jump to conclusions too fast and jump to extremes.

I am not jumping to any conclusion.Your statement showed everything I said. and here it is again.

This is very hard for me to say and I can't remember the last time I said it but you are not one of my favorite people to talk to and will talk to you no more.

There is nothing but rancor and dismissiveness rather than true interaction.

BTW I have forgotten what the quote said and have no more comments on the matter.
This is contradictory to what you said above. Only you know the reasons why.

Regards

Tejwant Singh
 

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why so many religions

There are so many religions each with its own take on how to be able to attain God and what the message of God is. Why if one God then so many different versions of His message? Another resson for disturbance of the already disturbed mind essentially defeating the purpose of religion.
 

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Re: why so many religions

not quite true, most religions promise something better once this life is over, how you attain God when your dead is beyond me but there you go.

The message of God seems quite constant, love, peace, however, again, most religions bribe you with a carrot to feel this way, and scare you with devils if you dont.

Sikhism is not a religion to me, it is a way of life, a code of conduct that must be embraced not carried out through fear/reward.

Why so many different versions? I guess the older the religion, the more time it has had to be corrupted by middle men, priests et al.

I would like to think our Gurus observed how the other religions had fared and came up with something that would stand the test of time, although human nature being what it is, we have done a fairly good job of forgeting most of what they taught, at some point all religions end up like a corrupt police force, nice uniforms, excellent public personas, but rotten to the core.

Sikhs are the Batman of this world, no glory, just get on and do the job, and that job is not salvation, enlightenment, wisdom, it is the help and assistance of Creation, if through that salvaltion, enlightenment and wisdom is bestowed on us through the grace of God, then that is good, and if it is not, then that is good too.
 

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Re: why so many religions

The thread "why so many religions" has been merged with an older thread "Why Are There So Many Religions."
 

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Sandeep Ji
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The same question i have been pondering for long.The questions you have raised is that why there are different versions of the message of the god.The closest answer to which i have observed is that each religion came to its existence according to the different time periods ,situation of the people and the world at that particular time.Sometimes these religions were born at different geographical conditions among people where people have been adhering to different lifestyle,culture and language.As time passed each religion became old thus the true essence of the teachings and the true message became corrupted and got lost with help of so called scholars,pandits ,qazis or priests or whatever you can call them whose main motive was just to create a fear in people so that they themselves can rule over such scared people.
You can imagine kings also use to come to such so called pandits and qazis to seek help in their lives ,so you can imagine what a great job at that time was for such so called scholars
They engaged people of their respective religions more in rituals,ego and fights with people of different religions so as to claim that there religion is the only best.
That's what have been happening in the history of india ,clashes among hindus and muslims were common.
Imagine the time when Guru Nanak was born.
fights among Hindus and Muslims were common,Hypocricy was prevailing in the society ,people were more engaged with blind rituals.
Tying a Janehu was considered more sacred then love and humbleness.
Bowing in the direction of Kabba was considered more sacred than the Infinite love for God
and many more rituals.
Thus came into existence the new religion SIKHISM where love ,devotion and dedication for god was given utmost importance rather than other fearful concepts.
Where people were taught love and faith on God can overcome everything and each person was considered a HIGH class citizen who could realize GOD themselves without the help of any middleman such as pandits ,qazis and priests.
But as other religions got corrupted and lost it wont be any wonder and surprise that true message of SIKHISM too gets corrupted with time.

NOTE: Its just my personal observation ,might be true or might not be if seen from different prospective[/I
 

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Harry ji
I think every religion has its own code of conduct and this is not unique to Sikhism per se. This is again an attempt to somehow imply that Sikhism is superior, a claim that all religions make(a common feature at last!!!!). But you are right about some commonalities. The differences are stark. Example buddhism - no God, hinduism - God who discends down on the earth, sikhism - God who does not appear in physical form. And you know Einstein was in favour of Buddhism. So please dont claim about SIKH superiority, that is a very 'religious' thing to do.
 

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And you know Einstein was in favour of Buddhism.

Was he? Can you show me where your learned this please?

Why if one God then so many different versions of His message?

Well from a Sikh point of view, the Creator of Everything is not a person with a message. It just Is. It definitly isn't a he with a pointy finger and a beard. And he hasn't left a message on the answering machine.

There are so many religions because religion is a construct of humanity. Just as there are countless cultures there are countless religions because we relate to the world in different ways courtesy of our nurturing. It is also a great unifier and motivator of people, for good reasons or bad ones, often for conquest, opression, control, but sometimes for liberation. :)
 
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l fashion. They are:
Buddhism has the characteristics of
what would be expected in a cosmic
religion for the future: It transcends
a personal God, avoids dogmas and
theology; it covers both the natural
and the spiritual, and it is based on a
religious sense aspiring from the
experience of all things, natural and
spiritual, as a meaningful unity.
 

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Was he? Can you show me where your learned this please?



Well from a Sikh point of view, the Creator of Everything is not a person with a message. It just Is.

Well there is so much emphasis in sikhism about living in accordance with the will of god. isnt that a. message or is that also made up
 

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Well there is so much emphasis in sikhism about living in accordance with the will of god. isnt that a. message or is that also made up

sandeep17oct ji

Whenever that question is asked I really appreciate it. It makes me get very serious in my thoughts.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji teaches us about "hukam." My reaction is that "hukam" is more than "the will of God." The concept of "will of god" fits well with western religions and Islam. I am not certain that "hukam" as Guru Nanak meant it is the same thing.

Is it easy to describe hukam? Not for me, though I seek to live in accordance with it. It is hard to do and hard to understand. It is a topic that inspires books and engages us in conversation. It never gets stale.

What is the difference?
 

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The thing I wanted to point out was that there is a hukam(message) from God. I am not sure exactly what hukam is execpt that all that happens happens in accordance with hukam...i think Guru Nanak ji gave us a good idea of hukam when he said hukam na kahia jaee
 
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I do not believe everything happens in Hukam, I believe Hukam is a perfect state of affairs, rather than a concept of fate.

It is ours if we choose it.
 

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Though I feel hukam and will of God is same.Because whatever God wants(his will) that always comes to pass and whatever happens is in hukam
 

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