Why did Sikhs get upset blindly after accusing Majhithia of misqouting words that are NOT even in the Gurbani or Guru Granth sahib?sIs it the stupidity and cattle mentality like taliban?
THis qoute of deh shiva bar mohe is NOT in teh Guru Granth sahib.
This so called "gurbani"qoute of deh shiva bar mohe is in the is dasam book, 93 % of the writings are not by Guru Gobind Singh ji.It is not from Guru Granth sahib, thus it cannot be equated to Gurbani.It may be the Guru's rachna.However Sikhs are so confused about this being bani.it is the sadh led organisations that are fuelling this, as many sikhs do not know what is not in Guru Granth sahib is NOT gurbani.They have mixed both up.The dasam book lobby is using this opportunity to gain popularity to their belief that dasam is indeed written by the Guru sahib.
Title Pages Total Pages % of dasam granth
1] Jaap 1-10 10 0.7%2]Akal Ustat 11-38 28 1.9%3]Bachitter Natak 39-73 34 2.4%4]Chandi Charitter-1 74-99 26 1.8%5]Chandi Charitter-2 100-119 20 1.4%6]Var Bhagauti Ji Ki 119-127 9 0.7 %7]Gian Parbodh 127-155 28 1.9%8]Chaubis Avtar 155- 611 456 32%9]Brahm Avtar 611- 635 24 1.7%10]RudR Avtar 635-709 74 5.2%11]Shabad,Swaiye,etc 709-711 3 0.6%12]Shashter Nam Mala 717-808 91 6.4%13]Chitro Pakhian 808- 1388 580 40.6%14]Zafarnama 1389- 1394 6 0.4%15] Hakaiitaan 1394- 1428 34 2.4%From the above, the writings that the Sikh panth has accepted are Jaap Sahib, Akal Ustat, Bachitter Natak, some Shabads and Swaiye, [Khalsa Mahima Benti Chaupaii] and Zafarnama.The total content of the accepted material forms only about 7% , which is spread over about 100 pages in the dasam granth.The rest of 93% material of the dasam granth has been rejected and is neither accepted as bani, nor as the writings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji or is of any relevance to Sikhs and Sikh Gurus or their teachings.I now leave it to the readers to decide how a book that is 93% irrelevent, has engaged the Sikh panth in countless controversies, divisions and now near usurping the unquestionble Guru Granth Sahib's position, due to the misinformed section of the community.How can a book clearly with 93% non Sikh,non Gurbani and non Guru related material be sat next to Guru Granth Sahib , or even addressed as 'guru' dasam Granth
The trouble is MOST Sikhs have no ability to read this planted book.The nirmala/udasi sadhs have infused repeatedly this is the book written by Guru Gobind Singh;uneducated Sikhs have blindly beleived it over the years it is now hard to face reallity to accept the truth that it is really contrary factually.Most of the stories being spread are spread by word of mouth!dekha dekhi all are beleiving something that they themselves have not read and understood.Over the years sadly most have lost the command of the lnaguage used in this book thus it has become more difficult to comprehend the reallity of this book.
I have read this book over the years about 30 over times trying to make sense and understand.I have looked at different angles and other sources.I am of the opinion, that this book cannot be the writngs of Guru Gobind Singh apart from some small section.The contents of this book do NOT reflect the idol-less worship of one formless God that Gurbani teaches.
The dasma potha contains porno stories that it's supporters claim is for Sikhs to learn!That implies that Gurbani in Guru Granth sahib is then lacking, in it's teachings and message for humanity?
Did the Guru Ji have to rely on porno messages to spread sikh teachings?None of the other Gurus relied on porno folklore!so are these supporters of the dasma potha saying the other Gurus were wrong?There are so many more questions that arise for a simple rational and fact based mind and one can see the contradictions in this book versus Guru Granth sahib,
The little educated fools who support this book are usually self declared brahm gianis -the word brahm comes from brahma, brahmin-thus it means a giani of brahm literature...I repeat brahma-NOT SIKH.
These fellows have mingled and diluted these stories and false beliefs to continue their stranglehold over sikh mind.While Gurbani teaches the Sikh to be free from such false illusions and goddess and beleifs!
There is a very low key conspiracy to creat confusion among Sikhs about Guru Granth Sahib and introduce the false dasam potha to be guru along side the Guru Granth sahib, so that eventually it can be said Sikhs are no different from hindus as the belief in the re-incarnation is like hindus, the sikhs take shakti from devi durga and shiva etc.This is a deep sly passive conspiracy!But foolish sikhs do NOT see the end aim.
Guru Gobind Singh ji himself has asked his writings to be kept OUT of the Guru Granth sahib.Thus his writings are the rachna -writings and cannot be described as Gurbani of the Guru Granth sahib.
This writings have been distorted and added in the dasam potha along with some collection of porno folklore, and also brahmin /sanskritic literature copied from theree other books =sri vismad, sri pad mad and markandiye-which was very old collection of motely writings.Somewhere along the line someone mischeviously added this to what ever collection Bhai Mani singh had, and after his martyrdom binded his collection and named it bachiter natak-a so called autobiography of Guru Gobind Singh!
Common sense tells us and even now we see it happen...whenever one does research, one collects any articles that come and remotely connects to the subject one is researching or collecting to bind into a book...by the time the book is final one will find that perhaps at least 50% of the collection actually was not helpful or related to the subject!
But in this case of the dasam book it looks,,that who ever binded the book, either inadvertently or delibrately collected all the material from Bhai Mani Singh's room and made into the book
!It is also possible whoever did it was NOT perhaps a proper reader or able to read exactly what they were binding into a book!
It is also possible that the detrators of the Guru may have placed and planted delberately articles to demean Guru Gobind Singh Ji.
But Sikhs being uneducated did not realise until much later and now it has become hard to give up , what they have been led to believe is the Gurus writings!
All Guru Jis writings would have been lost when he evacuated Anandpur and crossed the flooded river Sirsa.Whatever remained at Anandput would have been razed to ground by the Mughals.Sadly, Sikhs have no stomach to understand this facts.It is the blind leading the blind, and the dear sadhs enjoy this folklore they use to hold over the sikhs minds.Of the it is said the nihangs beleive in it?who are the nihangs?the dropouts, who use bhnag and who look at women as a tool of the low?They may have been Guru ji soldiers at one time, but that no longer apllies.Their level of education is similar to the dera sadhs.
The song deh shiva ..is actually asking power from Lord shiva!Would Guru Gobind Singh ji be doing that?One who challenged the devis of the brahmin Kesho Ram, , then be asking the Lord of the brahmins to give him the power and boon?How ridiculous these make the Guru ji ;look?
This song was made the national anthem of some sikh royal states in 1930.
Then it only shot to fame in 1963 or so when the movie nanak naam jahaz hai was released!Prior to that there was no signifcance.Even the Sikh encyclopaedia Mahan kosh has added this information as an addendum-thus proving that originally there no signifance of this song!
THis why I do NOT understand what this fuss is over majhithia?If Majhitia indeed did distort it ..so what?It is not the Gurus Gurbani or shabad!
Most of the stories abt hemkunt etc are all based on false illusions and poetry of Santokh singh..who lived much later than the Guru ji .....in 1880s ..it is all fictional stories ..sadly without rationalisation, thought and understanding Sikhs follow it blindly; getting emotional over false planted books and distorted messages, that are not even Gurbani.
ਅਖੌਤੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਵਿਚ “ਚੰਡੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ (ਉਕਤਿ ਬਿਲਾਸ)” ਦਰਜ਼ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ, ਜਿਸ ਦੇ (233, 1 ਤੋਂ ਲੈ ਕੇ 233 ਤੱਕ) ਲੜੀਵਾਰ ਪੈਰੇ ਹਨ । ਪੈਰਾ 231 ਇੰਜ ਹੈ:
ਸਵੈਯਾ
ਦੇਹ ਸਿਵਾ ਬਰੁ ਮੋਹਿ ਇਹੈ ਸੁਭ ਕਰਮਨ ਤੇ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨ ਟਰੋ।
ਨ ਡਰੋ ਅਰਿ ਸੋ ਜਬ ਜਾਇ ਲਰੇ ਨਿਸਚੈ ਕਰਿ ਅਪੁਨੀ ਜੀਤ ਕਰੋ।
ਅਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਹੋ ਆਪਨੇ ਹੀ ਮਨ ਕੋ ਇਹ ਲਾਲਚ ਹਉ ਗੁਨ ਤਉ ਉਚਰੋ।
ਜਬ ਆਵ ਕੀ ਅਉਧ ਨਿਦਾਨ ਬਨੈ ਅਤਿ ਹੀ ਰਨ ਮੈ ਤੁਬ ਜੂਝ ਮਰੋ। 231 ।
ਡਾ. ਰਤਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੱਗੀ ਅਤੇ ਡਾ. ਗੁਰਸ਼ਰਨ ਕੌਰ ਜੱਗੀ ਨੇ ਇਸ ਦੀ ਵਿਆਖਿਆ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੈ :
ਹੇ ਸ਼ਿਵਾ! ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਵਰ ਦੇ ਕਿ (ਮੈਂ) ਸ਼ੁਭ ਕੰਮਾਂ (ਨੂੰ ਕਰਨੋ) ਨ ਟਲਾਂ। ਜਦੋਂ ਵੈਰੀ ਨਾਲ (ਰਣ-ਭੂਮੀ ਵਿਚ ਜਾ ਕੇ) ਲੜਾਂ ਤਾਂ (ਜ਼ਰਾ) ਨ ਡਰਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਨਿਸ਼ਚੇ ਹੀ ਆਪਣੀ ਜਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕਰਾਂ। ਅਤੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਮਨ ਨੂੰ ਸਿਖਿਆ ਦੇਵਾਂ ਕਿ ਮੈਨੂੰ (ਸਦਾ) ਇਹ ਲਾਲਚ (ਬਣਿਆ ਰਹੇ ਕਿ ਮੈਂ) ਤੇਰੇ ਗੁਣਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਉਚਾਰਦਾ ਰਹਾਂ। ਅਤੇ ਜਦੋਂ ਉਮਰ ਦਾ ਅੰਤਿਮ ਸਮਾਂ ਆ ਜਾਏ ਤਾਂ ਅਤਿ ਦੇ ਯੁੱਧ ਵਿਚ ਲੜਦਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਮਰ ਜਾਵਾਂ। 231 ।
English Translation by Author S. Pritpal Singh Bindra (Canada), is reproduced below:
“Oh, Shiva, shower this blessing upon me, that I may not hesitate partaking in noble deeds. With no fear and with fortitude I may enter the fight and seek the victory. And then I enlighten my mind and to be enticed to extol you. As the life-end seems nearer, I may jump in the struggle and sacrifice.”
S. Bindra has further expressed his views as follows:
(231) “OO, Shiva, shower the blessing upon me…
Now we must consider the position of Shiva logically through these instances. He has been created through the might of a Primal Being who is the source of Shiva’s power. Shiva is not omnipresent but resides in a particular place called Kailasha Puri. Shiva’s companions, like the vultures, feel pleasure on seeing the dead bodies for flesh. It was Shiva who cut off the head of the Ganesha, another deity. In the stanza 166, two entities are distinctly mentioned, Brahma, the Creator and Shiva, whose contemplation was shuddered. Nowhere, Shiva is depicted as God.”
From the foregoing, it is quite evident that the Shiva, in the above hymn, does not represent God, Almighty. It is just a Hindu god or deity.”
This proves that the dasam granth is a false book giving definition of God totally opposite of the Guru Granth sahib's definition of ONE FORMLESS GOD.
It is a book in conflict with Guru Granth sahib!So how can Guru Gobind Singh ji write something that goes against the teachings of the porevious nine Gurus?Those following this dasam potha have no brains or logic -----as simple as that to understand.More than often these fellows are the product of deras, which they have joined after having failed a normal school education at primary level and joined some dera where they are then brain washed into beleiving such false stories, and they pass on such false messages on ..feding falshood after falsehood.
That is why Sikhs are in such deep doldrums, because they are NOT using intelligent rationalisation to address issues.
THis qoute of deh shiva bar mohe is NOT in teh Guru Granth sahib.
This so called "gurbani"qoute of deh shiva bar mohe is in the is dasam book, 93 % of the writings are not by Guru Gobind Singh ji.It is not from Guru Granth sahib, thus it cannot be equated to Gurbani.It may be the Guru's rachna.However Sikhs are so confused about this being bani.it is the sadh led organisations that are fuelling this, as many sikhs do not know what is not in Guru Granth sahib is NOT gurbani.They have mixed both up.The dasam book lobby is using this opportunity to gain popularity to their belief that dasam is indeed written by the Guru sahib.
Title Pages Total Pages % of dasam granth
1] Jaap 1-10 10 0.7%2]Akal Ustat 11-38 28 1.9%3]Bachitter Natak 39-73 34 2.4%4]Chandi Charitter-1 74-99 26 1.8%5]Chandi Charitter-2 100-119 20 1.4%6]Var Bhagauti Ji Ki 119-127 9 0.7 %7]Gian Parbodh 127-155 28 1.9%8]Chaubis Avtar 155- 611 456 32%9]Brahm Avtar 611- 635 24 1.7%10]RudR Avtar 635-709 74 5.2%11]Shabad,Swaiye,etc 709-711 3 0.6%12]Shashter Nam Mala 717-808 91 6.4%13]Chitro Pakhian 808- 1388 580 40.6%14]Zafarnama 1389- 1394 6 0.4%15] Hakaiitaan 1394- 1428 34 2.4%From the above, the writings that the Sikh panth has accepted are Jaap Sahib, Akal Ustat, Bachitter Natak, some Shabads and Swaiye, [Khalsa Mahima Benti Chaupaii] and Zafarnama.The total content of the accepted material forms only about 7% , which is spread over about 100 pages in the dasam granth.The rest of 93% material of the dasam granth has been rejected and is neither accepted as bani, nor as the writings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji or is of any relevance to Sikhs and Sikh Gurus or their teachings.I now leave it to the readers to decide how a book that is 93% irrelevent, has engaged the Sikh panth in countless controversies, divisions and now near usurping the unquestionble Guru Granth Sahib's position, due to the misinformed section of the community.How can a book clearly with 93% non Sikh,non Gurbani and non Guru related material be sat next to Guru Granth Sahib , or even addressed as 'guru' dasam Granth
The trouble is MOST Sikhs have no ability to read this planted book.The nirmala/udasi sadhs have infused repeatedly this is the book written by Guru Gobind Singh;uneducated Sikhs have blindly beleived it over the years it is now hard to face reallity to accept the truth that it is really contrary factually.Most of the stories being spread are spread by word of mouth!dekha dekhi all are beleiving something that they themselves have not read and understood.Over the years sadly most have lost the command of the lnaguage used in this book thus it has become more difficult to comprehend the reallity of this book.
I have read this book over the years about 30 over times trying to make sense and understand.I have looked at different angles and other sources.I am of the opinion, that this book cannot be the writngs of Guru Gobind Singh apart from some small section.The contents of this book do NOT reflect the idol-less worship of one formless God that Gurbani teaches.
The dasma potha contains porno stories that it's supporters claim is for Sikhs to learn!That implies that Gurbani in Guru Granth sahib is then lacking, in it's teachings and message for humanity?
Did the Guru Ji have to rely on porno messages to spread sikh teachings?None of the other Gurus relied on porno folklore!so are these supporters of the dasma potha saying the other Gurus were wrong?There are so many more questions that arise for a simple rational and fact based mind and one can see the contradictions in this book versus Guru Granth sahib,
The little educated fools who support this book are usually self declared brahm gianis -the word brahm comes from brahma, brahmin-thus it means a giani of brahm literature...I repeat brahma-NOT SIKH.
These fellows have mingled and diluted these stories and false beliefs to continue their stranglehold over sikh mind.While Gurbani teaches the Sikh to be free from such false illusions and goddess and beleifs!
There is a very low key conspiracy to creat confusion among Sikhs about Guru Granth Sahib and introduce the false dasam potha to be guru along side the Guru Granth sahib, so that eventually it can be said Sikhs are no different from hindus as the belief in the re-incarnation is like hindus, the sikhs take shakti from devi durga and shiva etc.This is a deep sly passive conspiracy!But foolish sikhs do NOT see the end aim.
Guru Gobind Singh ji himself has asked his writings to be kept OUT of the Guru Granth sahib.Thus his writings are the rachna -writings and cannot be described as Gurbani of the Guru Granth sahib.
This writings have been distorted and added in the dasam potha along with some collection of porno folklore, and also brahmin /sanskritic literature copied from theree other books =sri vismad, sri pad mad and markandiye-which was very old collection of motely writings.Somewhere along the line someone mischeviously added this to what ever collection Bhai Mani singh had, and after his martyrdom binded his collection and named it bachiter natak-a so called autobiography of Guru Gobind Singh!
Common sense tells us and even now we see it happen...whenever one does research, one collects any articles that come and remotely connects to the subject one is researching or collecting to bind into a book...by the time the book is final one will find that perhaps at least 50% of the collection actually was not helpful or related to the subject!
But in this case of the dasam book it looks,,that who ever binded the book, either inadvertently or delibrately collected all the material from Bhai Mani Singh's room and made into the book
!It is also possible whoever did it was NOT perhaps a proper reader or able to read exactly what they were binding into a book!
It is also possible that the detrators of the Guru may have placed and planted delberately articles to demean Guru Gobind Singh Ji.
But Sikhs being uneducated did not realise until much later and now it has become hard to give up , what they have been led to believe is the Gurus writings!
All Guru Jis writings would have been lost when he evacuated Anandpur and crossed the flooded river Sirsa.Whatever remained at Anandput would have been razed to ground by the Mughals.Sadly, Sikhs have no stomach to understand this facts.It is the blind leading the blind, and the dear sadhs enjoy this folklore they use to hold over the sikhs minds.Of the it is said the nihangs beleive in it?who are the nihangs?the dropouts, who use bhnag and who look at women as a tool of the low?They may have been Guru ji soldiers at one time, but that no longer apllies.Their level of education is similar to the dera sadhs.
The song deh shiva ..is actually asking power from Lord shiva!Would Guru Gobind Singh ji be doing that?One who challenged the devis of the brahmin Kesho Ram, , then be asking the Lord of the brahmins to give him the power and boon?How ridiculous these make the Guru ji ;look?
This song was made the national anthem of some sikh royal states in 1930.
Then it only shot to fame in 1963 or so when the movie nanak naam jahaz hai was released!Prior to that there was no signifcance.Even the Sikh encyclopaedia Mahan kosh has added this information as an addendum-thus proving that originally there no signifance of this song!
THis why I do NOT understand what this fuss is over majhithia?If Majhitia indeed did distort it ..so what?It is not the Gurus Gurbani or shabad!
Most of the stories abt hemkunt etc are all based on false illusions and poetry of Santokh singh..who lived much later than the Guru ji .....in 1880s ..it is all fictional stories ..sadly without rationalisation, thought and understanding Sikhs follow it blindly; getting emotional over false planted books and distorted messages, that are not even Gurbani.
ਅਖੌਤੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਵਿਚ “ਚੰਡੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ (ਉਕਤਿ ਬਿਲਾਸ)” ਦਰਜ਼ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ, ਜਿਸ ਦੇ (233, 1 ਤੋਂ ਲੈ ਕੇ 233 ਤੱਕ) ਲੜੀਵਾਰ ਪੈਰੇ ਹਨ । ਪੈਰਾ 231 ਇੰਜ ਹੈ:
ਸਵੈਯਾ
ਦੇਹ ਸਿਵਾ ਬਰੁ ਮੋਹਿ ਇਹੈ ਸੁਭ ਕਰਮਨ ਤੇ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨ ਟਰੋ।
ਨ ਡਰੋ ਅਰਿ ਸੋ ਜਬ ਜਾਇ ਲਰੇ ਨਿਸਚੈ ਕਰਿ ਅਪੁਨੀ ਜੀਤ ਕਰੋ।
ਅਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਹੋ ਆਪਨੇ ਹੀ ਮਨ ਕੋ ਇਹ ਲਾਲਚ ਹਉ ਗੁਨ ਤਉ ਉਚਰੋ।
ਜਬ ਆਵ ਕੀ ਅਉਧ ਨਿਦਾਨ ਬਨੈ ਅਤਿ ਹੀ ਰਨ ਮੈ ਤੁਬ ਜੂਝ ਮਰੋ। 231 ।
ਡਾ. ਰਤਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੱਗੀ ਅਤੇ ਡਾ. ਗੁਰਸ਼ਰਨ ਕੌਰ ਜੱਗੀ ਨੇ ਇਸ ਦੀ ਵਿਆਖਿਆ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੈ :
ਹੇ ਸ਼ਿਵਾ! ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਵਰ ਦੇ ਕਿ (ਮੈਂ) ਸ਼ੁਭ ਕੰਮਾਂ (ਨੂੰ ਕਰਨੋ) ਨ ਟਲਾਂ। ਜਦੋਂ ਵੈਰੀ ਨਾਲ (ਰਣ-ਭੂਮੀ ਵਿਚ ਜਾ ਕੇ) ਲੜਾਂ ਤਾਂ (ਜ਼ਰਾ) ਨ ਡਰਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਨਿਸ਼ਚੇ ਹੀ ਆਪਣੀ ਜਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕਰਾਂ। ਅਤੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਮਨ ਨੂੰ ਸਿਖਿਆ ਦੇਵਾਂ ਕਿ ਮੈਨੂੰ (ਸਦਾ) ਇਹ ਲਾਲਚ (ਬਣਿਆ ਰਹੇ ਕਿ ਮੈਂ) ਤੇਰੇ ਗੁਣਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਉਚਾਰਦਾ ਰਹਾਂ। ਅਤੇ ਜਦੋਂ ਉਮਰ ਦਾ ਅੰਤਿਮ ਸਮਾਂ ਆ ਜਾਏ ਤਾਂ ਅਤਿ ਦੇ ਯੁੱਧ ਵਿਚ ਲੜਦਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਮਰ ਜਾਵਾਂ। 231 ।
English Translation by Author S. Pritpal Singh Bindra (Canada), is reproduced below:
“Oh, Shiva, shower this blessing upon me, that I may not hesitate partaking in noble deeds. With no fear and with fortitude I may enter the fight and seek the victory. And then I enlighten my mind and to be enticed to extol you. As the life-end seems nearer, I may jump in the struggle and sacrifice.”
S. Bindra has further expressed his views as follows:
(231) “OO, Shiva, shower the blessing upon me…
Now we must consider the position of Shiva logically through these instances. He has been created through the might of a Primal Being who is the source of Shiva’s power. Shiva is not omnipresent but resides in a particular place called Kailasha Puri. Shiva’s companions, like the vultures, feel pleasure on seeing the dead bodies for flesh. It was Shiva who cut off the head of the Ganesha, another deity. In the stanza 166, two entities are distinctly mentioned, Brahma, the Creator and Shiva, whose contemplation was shuddered. Nowhere, Shiva is depicted as God.”
From the foregoing, it is quite evident that the Shiva, in the above hymn, does not represent God, Almighty. It is just a Hindu god or deity.”
This proves that the dasam granth is a false book giving definition of God totally opposite of the Guru Granth sahib's definition of ONE FORMLESS GOD.
It is a book in conflict with Guru Granth sahib!So how can Guru Gobind Singh ji write something that goes against the teachings of the porevious nine Gurus?Those following this dasam potha have no brains or logic -----as simple as that to understand.More than often these fellows are the product of deras, which they have joined after having failed a normal school education at primary level and joined some dera where they are then brain washed into beleiving such false stories, and they pass on such false messages on ..feding falshood after falsehood.
That is why Sikhs are in such deep doldrums, because they are NOT using intelligent rationalisation to address issues.
