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Yogism What Are Your Thoughts On Kundalini And Yogi Bhajan

Shiva Singh

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Sat Siri Akal,

By the way the term 'Yogism' is repulsive to any of us who were brought to the feet of the Guru (You know, SGGS JI) by Harbahjan Singh Khalsa YogiJi. It is like the "N" word or other insulting term of derision. It sets tone of this conversation. You should do better that that as Admin Sikhs.
 

sukhsingh

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Yoga is fine as a physical exercise. Just keep it out of the darbar hall! It's not part of Sikhi.
My issue with 3HO is that they blatantly go against Sikh Rehet Maryada and teach things which are not Sikhi, but they present them as if they were. Like idol worship... they have at their 'Ashram' (not even called Gurdwara) in New Mexico, idols of Siri Chand for example, which they place garlands on etc. Thats just one example. I won't get into it more than that except to say, what they are practicing is not Sikhi. It's a hybrid of Sikhi and Hinduism. They have SGGSJ, and wear Sikh bana, but incorporate a lot of Hindu practices.
Naam simran is yoga as is gurmat sangeet.. I'm very surprised by what is being said here
 

sukhsingh

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Sat Siri Akal,

So first, like many Americans, I was introduced to Eastern philosophy when the Beatles returned from their journey to India. At that time many Indian teachers, Gurus, masters, swamis, etc. came to the west, some with many followers, finances, etc. The majority tried to install Vedic philosophy - Guru Chela relationship, women as below men, what we, in 3HO would call outmoded hierarchical models of society. Most returned to India, some followed by scandal.

Yogi Bhajan (Harbhajan Singh Khalsa YogiJi) started teaching and he shared with us the basics of Sikhi. I and my wife are Amritdhari, keep the rehat, my 5 Ks and banis. My son is born Sikh. He spent 2 years at school in Amritsar at Miri Piri Academy and did seva at Harimandir Sahib over 200 times. He climbed the 84 steps in the Boali at Goindwal Sahib at age 13, taking 15 hours.

I've been immersed in Sikhi since 1972. I remember some of the books and articles from that time that are to this day referenced to prove how terrible we are as Sikhs and what a corrupt person YogiJi was.

The Punjabi community must understand we are not South Asians. We do not believe as the Gurus taught us that images (murtis, idols, etc.) have spiritual powers, they are just inspirational art.

We do not see participating in Interfaith events, such as standing with Hindus as they do arti, that we are doing worship.

We do not practice the Yoga of sadhus or renunciates. We are householders just as Guru Nanak told us to be.

We rise in the early hours of the morning, before sunrise, we bath, we exercise to awaken our sleepy bodies to be able to spend an hour deeply chanting Wahe Guru simran. Understand we do Kundalini Yoga not as a worship as the sadhus believe, we practice it because it works - and frankly look how yoga (Or exercises that are adapted from yoga) has grabbed the attention of millions of Americans. We needed something to help us understand SGGSJi, to be able to sit for a few moments and deeply listen, suni[FONT=ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਅਖ਼ਰ]-ai. The Western culture was not designed for devotion to the Guru.
My personal experience is this: I suffered from Grande Mal Seizures for my teen years due to a head injury.
I asked YogiJi for a suggestion. He had me do Nam Simran for 31 minutes a day for 40 days. I have had no seizures in 40 years, managed my seizures with out medication through yoga, diet and meditation. Why would I listen to the no-Sayers who have never experienced the Akal Murakh in their lives. [/FONT]

We then go and earn an honest living in a righteous manner, professionals, attorneys, business owners, etc. This Shabad describes our view on life, a Sikh life. I made the last line bold you know why because there are lakhs of people in the world now, not of Indian decent, who recite JapJi Sahib daily and whose lips and tongue say Wahe Guru on every breath because we introduced it to them in a non-cultural or religious manner. We teach them to not smoke or drink or use drugs. To respect women and for women to live gracefully. These are the things Yogi Bhajan taught us and frankly, it is just exhausting to hear the rants and criticisms. For those of you who are still confused by the false interpretations of who we are, GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEADS -WE DO NOT WORSHIP YOGI BHAJAN, WE NEVER DID WE NEVER WILL. WE ONLY WORSHIP the SHABAD GURU as embodied in the SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI. Yogi Ji never allowed us to bow at this feet (Until he was to weak to stop it) HE NEVER CALLED HIMSELF GURU.

Ldets just

mehlaa 4.
Fourth Mehl:
gur satgur kaa jo sikhakhaa-ay sobhalkay uthhar naamDhi-aavai.
One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru, the True Guru, shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name.

udam karaybhalkay parbhaatee isnaan karay amritsar naavai.
Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar.

updays guroo har har jap jaapai sabhkilvikhpaapdokhleh jaavai.
Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased.

fir charhaidivas gurbaanee gaavai bahdi-aa uth-di-aa har naamDhi-aavai.
Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name.

jo saas giraasDhi-aa-ay mayraa har har so gursikhguroo manbhaavai.
One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind.

jis noda-i-aal hovai mayraa su-aameetis gursikhguroo updays sunaavai.
That person, unto whom my Lord and Master is kind and compassionate - upon that GurSikh, the Guru's Teachings are bestowed.

jan naanakDhoorhmangaitis gursikhkee jo aap japai avrah naam japaavai. ||2||
Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ||2||
Some gursikhs do practice 'aarti' at huzoor sahib..

Yoga is a generic term and whilst arguing over the merits of kundalini yoga and its place in sikhi is valid to suggest 'yoga' - gian yoga, naad yoga, simran etc are not part of sikhi is frankly the product of a very narrow reading of what 'Yoga' is and means
 

Harry Haller

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Sat Siri Akal,

By the way the term 'Yogism' is repulsive to any of us who were brought to the feet of the Guru (You know, SGGS JI) by Harbahjan Singh Khalsa YogiJi. It is like the "N" word or other insulting term of derision. It sets tone of this conversation. You should do better that that as Admin Sikhs.
There are many here, including myself that could give you a real run for your money given your submitted content, but this is a free forum, one of the few that does not edit or restrict content, unless it falls within our TOS. Feel free to contribute and share, interact but please try not to proselytise, your website 3HO Foundation, mentions Yogij many many times, it looks like a religion centred round Yogiji, not SGGS, your mission statement as taken from the website is

Mission Statement:
"3HO's mission is to inspire everyone, everywhere to live a Healthy, Happy, and Holy life through the teachings of Yogi Bhajan."

If you find it offensive that people accuse you of driving a Ford, perhaps it is not people you need to address but the Ford parked on your drive...
 

sukhsingh

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There are many here, including myself that could give you a real run for your money given your submitted content, but this is a free forum, one of the few that does not edit or restrict content, unless it falls within our TOS. Feel free to contribute and share, interact but please try not to proselytise, your website 3HO Foundation, mentions Yogij many many times, it looks like a religion centred round Yogiji, not SGGS, your mission statement as taken from the website is

Mission Statement:
"3HO's mission is to inspire everyone, everywhere to live a Healthy, Happy, and Holy life through the teachings of Yogi Bhajan."

If you find it offensive that people accuse you of driving a Ford, perhaps it is not people you need to address but the Ford parked on your drive...
Brother I feel where you are coming from but have to say it feels a bit harsh.. 3HO has been hugely misrepresented and whilst the language you have lifted from their website suggests a focus on YBJ I would rather give it the benefit of the doubt? 3HO have done much to propagate a pluralistic vision of sikhi and without whom we would not have the diversity of the sikh panth we see today, chardi kala jatha are a great example

More over bhai avtar singh ragi who reinvigorated my own khoj and to whom I would defer to was always happy to commune with the '3ho'. There has been a concerted effort to discredit the organisation which is unwarranted?
 

RD1

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More over bhai avtar singh ragi who reinvigorated my own khoj and to whom I would defer to was always happy to commune with the '3ho'. There has been a concerted effort to discredit the organisation which is unwarranted?
If this is the mission statement:

Mission Statement:
"3HO's mission is to inspire everyone, everywhere to live a Healthy, Happy, and Holy life through the teachings of Yogi Bhajan."
Then this is not in-keeping with Sikhi. Sikhi promotes that the SGGS ji is our ultimate teacher. No human being is above the SGGS ji. Yogi Bhajan should be irrelevant in the grand scheme.
 

chazSingh

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If this is the mission statement:



Then this is not in-keeping with Sikhi. Sikhi promotes that the SGGS ji is our ultimate teacher. No human being is above the SGGS ji. Yogi Bhajan should be irrelevant in the grand scheme.

my opinion is...if people are looking in the right direction i.e. Within....and genuinely want to connect to Waheguru (within), then all else (judgement form the outside) is pointless details...
 

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