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The Truth About The Maryada At Darbar Sahib

Discussion in 'Sikh Rehat Maryada' started by Chaan Pardesi, Oct 29, 2012.

  1. Chaan Pardesi

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    All the Truth about current regimen of rites[MARYADA} at Darbar Sahib

    Dr. Harjinder Singh Dilgir

    Some people insist that the present regimen of rites (maryada) at
    Darbar Sahib is the authentic and original. But in fact, it is a
    perverted maryada a confluence of Nirmalas, Udasis and Benares
    (thieves) Brahmins.
    The foundation of Darbar Sahib was laid on January 3rd, 1588 by Guru
    Arjan Dev ji (Then in 1762 having been demolished by Durani (Muslim
    invader), the present building foundation was re- laid in April 1765 by
    Sardar Jassa Singh Ahluwalia). Earlier in 1564 Guru Ram Das ji
    established the town as “Guru’s abode” and he only got the water
    sarovar (pond) completed. Guru Hargobind Sahib stayed in this town till
    1634, and after that till 1696, it was controlled by Prithi Chand of
    Minah’s family. In 1698 Bhai Mani Singh took over . From 1716 to 1722
    and from 1734 to 1765 battles continued between Sikhs and Muslims &
    Afghanis for the town. From 1765 the Sikhs took firm control. The
    present building creation was started from that point. Then the town
    came under the control of the Bhangi misl, but the upkeep of the Darbar
    Sahib stayed with the Shaheedan’s misl. At this point the leader of
    this misl (Shaheedan’s) was Akali Phula Singh.

    After capturing Amritsar, Maharajah Ranjit Singh ji appointed a Tax
    collector by the name of Brahmin Rulia Ram Misr. The living quarters
    of this Rulia Ram faced Gurdwara Tahli Sahib Amritsar. ( His decsended
    custodians continued to live there until after 1947. See: Amar Singh,'s
    Zafarnama Ranjit Singh). According to this writer Pandit Ganga Ram
    Diwan was also given a senior most position. (Due to anti-Sikh
    activities of this Ganga Ram, in 1814 Akali Phula Singh left Amritsar
    and went to Anandpur). These Brahmin advisors apparently influenced the
    change of the color of the Nishan Sahib in Ranjit Singh’s kingdom
    from Blue to white and then rusty/saffron/yellow.

    A Brahmin Misr was the Finance Controller of Ranjit Singh. After the
    misr's death in 1808 his son, Bailey Ram became the Chief of Exchequer
    (afterwards Bailey Ram’s brother Misr Roop Lal became the Chief
    Operating Officer of Jallandhar and Misr Sukh Raj a General in the
    Army). Ranjit Singh’s Minister of Religious Affairs (the one deciding
    of donations to religious institutions), was a Brahmin, caused most of
    the money to be disbursed to Mandirs (Hindu Temples). This Minister
    while fully knowing, as if in show off tokenism gave sums to Darbar
    Sahib while many times more to be given to Mandirs. Many millions of
    rupees of Ranjit Singh’s Kingdom were received by Brahmins at Thanesar
    (Kurukshetra), Hardwar and Benares (Kanshi) or given for the Gold
    gilding of Mandirs in Kangra, Jawalamukhi, Jammu, and Benares. Tilla
    Gorakh Nath, Dhianpur, Pandori and the Dhamtal yogis dehras (controlled
    complexes), dozens of shivallas (yogic retreats) and Mandirs too
    received large sums of money from Ranjit Singh. Udasis and Nirmalas
    dehras also received great sums of monies.

    Brahmin Ministers (and Dogras too) saw Akali Phula Singh as a big rock
    in their path. They wanted to establish firm control over Darbar Sahib.
    As a result they created a new plan. They started to heap praises of
    Akali Phula Singh for bravery and valor subsequently started
    dispatching him to battles which were very treacherous. But
    fortunately, the bad luck of Brahmins prevailed that Akali Phula Singh
    would win every battle and come back alive. Finally the Dogras got
    Akali Phula Singh assassinated through undercover operatives on March
    18th, 1823 and posited his death to Afghani Ghazis.With Akali Phula
    Singh removed the Brahmins had Darbar Sahib under their firm control.
    Udasi Sadhus Entry into Sikhi (Encroachment)

    These Brahmin Ministers of Ranjit Singh began to offer lot of the
    land around Darbar Sahib to Udasis sadhs. (Where they created gangs and
    Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=39357
    Dehras carrying out preaching against Sikhi. Later in
    these Dehras history, philosophy and Gurbani was manipulated,
    disparaging books were written and disseminated. Whereas all the land of Guru’s
    Chak (Amritsar) belonged to Darbar Sahib which the Guru Ram Das ji in
    1564 bought from the Tung village people paying full value, and to be
    not subsequently sold or given away.

    The Udasis created a couple of land makers around Darbar Sahib
    from the times of the misls (Sikh clans of Punjab). Between the Akal
    Takhat Sahib and Darbar Sahib (where at present the panthic detractors have
    made the Akal Takhat Secretariat) was the Bunga (marker) of Udasi Pritam Das
    which he created in 1775 and outside he furled his (Udasis) rust colored flag. Due to this flag (Jhanda) this collective started to be called “Jhanda Bunga”. In a storm in 1841 this flag marked felled.

    Later in 1843 Maharajah Sher Singh created a new flag in its place.
    Along with it Desa Singh Majithia also got another flag established
    (Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha, Mahan Kosh). Later the Pujaris (sermonizer
    ritualists) started to call these Miri-Piri (Spiritual-Martial) flags.
    Gullible Sikhs started believing these Udasi flags as Miri-Piri flags.

    Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=39357
    Whereas the true flag, which was blue and stayed with Misl Nishanwalian
    (the one carried to lead armies and was with the Nihang Singhs).
    The Control/Occupation by Nirmalas of Darbar Sahib

    Around the times of Pritam Das, between 1780 to 90, Surat Singh Nirmala
    also established a dehra at Amritsar. He also created a marker (Bunga)
    which started to be called Gyanian (of the learned) bunga. He had
    studied under the Brahmins in Benares. Linked to Bhai Mani Singh’s name is the
    composition of “Bhagat Ratnavli”, which is also known as “Bhagatmala of
    Sikhs” (and Prem Ratnavli) was also written by him. In these writings
    there is plenty of preaching of Brahmanism and brahmanwaad. So from
    this started the dilution of Sikhs,through Udasis-Nirmalas in earnest.
    Surat Singh died in 1803.

    While Akali Phula Singh was around, these Nirmalas stayed within their
    quarters and survived through alms of Rajahs and found subsistence. But
    the Nirmalas did not interfere in Darbar Sahib. Therefore they
    could not influence any rites regimen at Darbar Sahib. But when Akali
    Phula Singh was martyred, Sant Singh the son of Nirmala Surat Singh
    became the head Granthi (Priest) of Darbar Sahib. Due to the Brahmin
    Ministers, he became very close to Ranjit Singh. He himself
    did lot of self serving antics (kiss azz) of Ranjit Singh and Brahmin
    Misr Rulia Ram and Misr Bailey Ram sustained his praises in front of
    Ranjit Singh. The Brahmins influenced Ranjit Singh and caused him to
    provide funds for the Gold gilding of Darbar Sahib. Sant Singh had no
    limits to kissing azz and started to position Ranjit Singh at the level
    of Guru Gobind Singh and started calling him “Singh Sahib” (Singh Sahib
    was only used towards Guru Gobind Singh ji till then: see Mahan Kosh).
    Later he even got it inscribed at the front foyer to Darbar Sahib.
    Now that Sant Singh was all-in-all of Darbar Sahib he started all
    Benarsi Brahmanic practices. Whatever is against wisdom in Sri Guru
    Granth Sahib (against Gurmat - wisdom of creator) and practiced at
    Darbar Sahib is all the remnants of Sant Singh and his descendents and
    brahmanwaad they introduced.

    Sant Singh died in 1832 and Darbara Singh, his disciple (who
    was priest at Darbar Sahib at the time) became Head Priest and Jodh
    Singh became the priest. Gurmukh Singh, son of Sant Singh became the
    controller of Akal Takhat. In the Lahore Royal House during intransient
    times he supported Sandhawalians, as a result Heera Singh Dogra got him
    assassinated in 1843. After that Parduman Singh became controller of
    Akal Takhat and held ceremonial control till his death on November
    20th, 1877. “Gurbilas Patshahi Sixth” (which is pushed as the poetry of
    poet Sohan) belonged to Gurmukh Singh (controller Akal Takhat) and his
    companion Darbara Singh (the preacher at Darbar Sahib), composed
    between 1830 and 1840.

    The Code of Operation and Conformance of Darbar Sahib

    During 1859 the English under the auspices of Brahmin Raja Teja Singh
    (sub-Commander of Ranjit Singh’s army, Misr Teja Ram- alias Raja Teja
    Singh) created a fake committee and “Compliance Guidelines”
    took control of Darbar Sahib through the “Pujaris” (Hindu Preachers).

    In these “Compliance Guidelines” there was nothing about Gurmat Maryada
    but instead was in principle a system for the way to subdivide Darbar
    Sahib income from offerings, charitable donations, and property between
    Pujaris, Granthis, incense bearers, music/hymns players, the civil
    controllers and other employees. In 1881 the District Commissioner
    Kapoor dissolved this make believe committee and took full control
    administratively. At this time all Pujaris and impersonators were
    Udasis and Nirmalas. Finally on 12th of October, 1920 the control of
    Darbar Sahib was returned to the Sikhs and on 15th of November 1920
    Shiromani Committee (Supreme Council) came to be formed. But Shiromani
    Committee in pre-occupation of agitations for independence paid little
    heed to the elimination of false norms against Sri Guru Granth Sahib
    guidance established by renegades and the Brahmanic practices.
    From 1920 to 1962 Darbar Sahib stayed with the Sikhs in communal
    servitude but after the control by Fateh Singh the operation started to
    deteriorate. In 1972, after the death of Fateh Singh, Gurcharan Singh
    Tohra took control. During this time some communists started to be
    party to the operations. During this time even though the caliber of
    employees started to be subpar, many of the granthis were good.
    During the savage conflict (1986-1992) the control started to come
    under Chowk (circle) Mehta dehra. But in 1999 after Parkash Singh
    Badal’s control of Shiromani Prabhandak Committee, in Darbar Sahib
    Puran Singh, Joginder Singh Vedanti and Gurbachan Singh coming to be
    the Chowk Mehta Dehra established full control.Currrently, in 2012,
    most of the rites and practices are Nirmala-Udasi. Most parts of it are against
    the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. This is not Gurmat (per
    Guru) but per Nirmala-Udasi-Brahmani Maryada.

    Of the hundreds of activities carried out against Gurmat (manmat –
    guided by mind than wisdom per the creator), I will cite two or three
    aspects below.

    Establishing Hindu Murtis [idols of deities]in Darbar Sahib
    In 1859 when the renegades under Brahmin Teja Sihn took firm control
    then they started bringing scenically depicting statues/stones carvings
    of Hindu male and female deities. Most folks in Punjab were illiterate
    and these clever Brahmins would get them to worship and entrap using
    techniques of fables and miracles. The monies collected would also
    give a share to Brahmin Pujaris. This way they had a good business going. This activity
    also got further strengthened because the leader of Singh Sabha
    movement in Amritsar, Khem Singh Bedi also used to worship such idols. Even though
    the Singh Sabha reform movement had started, but in Amritsar this
    Brahmin gang was still in control. When Khem Singh gang got the Pujaris
    (of Darbar Sahib) to issue a violation dictum (Hukamnama) against
    Gurmukh Singh, then in its support this group called a meeting where
    Rawalpindi, Amritsar, Faridkot and those who had already signed up in
    support were invited.

    At this event, a Sikh distributed an eight page open letter with forty points. In it were allegations against the Amritsar group regarding anti Sikh activities. He was removed after being beaten up. One of the items in the allegations was that this group
    does/supports the worship of murtis. The key allegations were these:

    1.Sitting on pillows in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji;
    2.Beyond Ten Guru jis and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to proclaim self to be
    twelfth, thirteenth and fourteenth Guru;
    3. Wearing janeau (hindu string around the waist );

    4. Coloring the beard to make it black;

    5.Worshipping Hindu idol statues.

    This point is worth noting that under the control of Khem Singh Bedi pujari group, under the encouragement of pujaris up till 1905 the statues of Hindu deities reflecting scenarios kept arriving (even though Chief Khalsa Diwan has been established). In 1905, Aroor Singh (1865-1926) became in-charge of Darbar Sahib. He was son of Harnam Singh Shergill, a DSP (Deputy Superintendent of Police) who was firm supporter purity per Guru ji’s guidance.

    After taking charge, Aroor Singh invited Brahmins and advised them against doing anti-Sikh activities in Darbar Sahib and to desist; in spite of being repeatedly
    told when they did not stop; then on the day of May 2nd, 1905 a notice
    was placed at Darbar Sahib that no one may act against Sikhi or
    perform other religious practices and such will be liable to penalty.

    Four days later on May 6th they came back with more murtis/idols. Then Aroor
    Singh wrote to the DC of Amritsar, that such Brahmins be arrested and
    requested Police help (Official record: Home Political 1905, File
    Number 668/12). When the Brahmins learned of this letter, they ran away
    leaving behind sculptures and statues. Arroor Singh himself demolished
    the idols by kicking and the remanant trash was disposed of.

    Role of another Gang of Nirmalas in Patna

    During the time of Surat Singh’s arrival in Amritsar, around
    1770-75 another gang of Nirmalas became active in Patna. There under
    auspices of nirmalias Nawal Singh, Dayal Singh and Sukha Singh granthi
    the pujaris started composition of books. These Nirmalias composed
    Bachittar Natak (now called Dasam Granth,ironically).
    (Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha’s entry regarding Sukha Singh: Granthi of
    Harmndir Patna Sahib who arranged Sukhmana bani, etc., and created
    Dasam granth type treatise. Bhai Kahan Singh also writes that Sarab Loh
    Granth is also a composition of this Sukha Singh.)
    Actually Dasam Granth was created in 1775-83; According to Charles
    Wilkin(1781) its first script was Nagri (Hindi and Sanskrit). Many decades
    later it came to Punjab. It was created as a book in 1897. This was all
    a conspiracy of Nirmalias and the English. First of all in 1810 Malcolm
    started disseminating it. He indicated the basis of this as Colbrook
    spring which Nirmala Atma Ram created as a composition.
    Dasam Granth was also in futile attempted to be linked to Bhai Mani
    Singh ji. The basis for which was a false letter (this letter has other
    errors of dates, etc.). Then copies were also made and false dates were
    supplanted to make it appear and be misleading as “old”.

    After this a reform committee (1897-1902) approval of this was
    fabricated. In actual fact this committee was a conspiracy of Khem
    Singh Bedi (death 1905) and the English. Khem Singh Bedi is the same
    person who used the same Pujaris to issue an edict against the leader
    of Singh Sabha movement. Khem Singh Bedi was a special agent of the
    Government; he was awarded an assignment of 28272 acres by the crown,
    in 1893 he was made member of the Punjab Council and was given many
    positions and decorations.

    Stopping Women from Sewa, Kirtan and other activities

    In 2003 the issue came to much visibility regarding women doing sewa
    (community service), kirtan (singing Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji hymns)
    and other activities. Then the Udasi-Nirmala dehra Pujaris in the name
    of original Maryada presented argument in support of such
    discrimination. They also raised the issue of “Dastoor-e-Amal”
    (Behavior Guidelines as seen earlier in the article).
    But this “Dastoor-e-Amal” had nothing to do with Gurmat Maryada but was
    rather about taking donations, alms, property and income and how to subdivide
    it; since no one had a copy so this did not come to be debated. While
    the fact is that the women doing Kirtan is historically documented.
    Rattan Singh Bhangu writes that mother of Jassa Singh Ahluwalia used to
    do Kirtan at Darbar Sahib.

    Such be the daughter of a Singh. The father so teaches so well.
    Remembering the Gurbani by heart. The Sikh woman being of both
    With the book and wearing the Kirpan. Goes to the Sikh congregation.
    In the morning do religious service. At the dusk do sodhar Gurbani.||5||
    Dohra: By self such beholds and relishing in love.
    Both times do the service, such be so contemplating in the creator’s
    Chopai: Joining in the company of Sikh sangat. Be of service when
    requested not to refuse.
    Day and night be so accommodating to do. In praksh (Sri Guru Granth
    Sahib Ji opened) deliver hymns.
    Go to Gurdwara on all occasions. Never to miss out service to the
    Where the Sikhs so congregate. Be there to sit in attendance of Sri
    Guru Granth Sahib Ji and do hymn singing.

    (Rattan Singh Bhangu, Prachin Panth Prakash, Sakhi 91, page 94)

    Who put restrictions on the women and forsaken

    In Darbar Sahib, restrictions on women started during the times of
    Nirmalas and Udasis. They were hateful of women. They studied under the
    Pandit thieves of Benares and were followers of Tulsi das and Mannu,
    and not of the Guru Jis - who gave status to women of the one so giving
    birth to Kings (One who gives birth to Kings; Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
    page 473).

    Udasis even restricted the untouchables from entering Darbar
    Sahib; they were not allowed to enter Darbar Sahib before 11AM. Where
    “Ranghreta Guru Ka Beta” (the handicapped such a son of a Guru too),
    “all being of one noor/light” (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 1349)
    were not to be forsaken. This was all against teachings of the Guru
    Jis. At present Pujaris who are followers of Nirmalas and Udasis, they
    stop women from sewa, Kirtan and being in Panj Pyare. If it was in
    their power, they would deny the fact of mata Jeeto ji breaking the
    sugar crumb at the first Amrit ceremony (Khande dee Pahul). The one
    demeaning thing is this that on the one hand such classify women as of
    weak and low life; but on the other hand labeling for jati-sati (with
    honor and sati/”self immolate after”) many Pujaris keep prostitutes and
    separated as mistresses while doing forceful actions on ones coming for
    service. Amritsar and many Gurdwara Pujaris, their sons and relatives
    have many such recorded incidents.

    Washing Darbar Sahib with milk and water mixture

    Aside from this we should know that to wash Darbar Sahib with milk or
    milk-water combo is against Sikh principles and to keep it going many
    are perplexed. They should also know that such non-gurmat was never
    practiced during Guru Ji’s times as all floors were of earth. Question
    would not arise to wash with milk-water combination.
    During the times of the Sikh misls (period just before Maharajah Ranjit
    Singh) there was no marble there. This white marble was installed
    during part of Maharajah Ranjit Singh ji’s time as well as during
    Naunihal Singh’s reign; the entire surround was completed with marble
    during DC Kapoor’s time and the English. So it is clear that to wash
    with milk-water or water started during the English and renegades
    (mahant) times. These were the renegades who caused hundreds of manmat
    (against Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) activities. This is also one from
    these. These are against Sikh philosophy and Brahmanic activities.
    This is also of knowledge that to wash Darbar Sahib with milk-water or
    milk is carried out by ten-fifteen households. These specific
    households have made it into as if an underworld monopoly. One more
    shameful aspect. Such activity is much against Sikh philosophy and a

    Other non-Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Practices

    Similarly to give a siropa (cloth of respect) for one hundred rupees;
    Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji being covered with many cloth pieces; doing
    the initiation at Darbar Sahib with “Bhattan dey Sawayeh” (not part of
    Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji); lighting an oil lamp at Darbar Sahib; giving
    special positions and praises to dignitaries and Kings/Presidents in
    Darbar Sahib; bowing to sweet berry tree; in the presence of Sri Guru
    Granth Sahib Ji doing separate Akhand Path; bowing and touching ground
    everywhere; taking a sip from pool surrounding the central building in
    Darbar Sahib; and at least 100 such practice started by the renegades.
    (This is all Brahmanic mysticism, fallacies and trickery.)

    {Birmingham (England) written 3 to 6 am at my Birthday on October 22nd,

    The credit here goes to my Brother Sr Ambarsaria Ji.I only recorrected some of the earlier paragraphs and some grammer
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  3. Parma

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    I would just like to say well done to Ambersaria Ji and Chaan Pardesi for getting this translated so that people can see information it is a lot of hard work and effort that I think alot of people may not appriciate. With people like yourselves who are willing to give their time and effort to Sikhi the faith, must be blessed. Even if money or no money is involved sewa is sewa however you percieve it. I think though these two have been self less in their approach and may a selfless approach be truly blessed by the Sat Guru! Waheguru ji Ki Khalsa and Waheguru Ji Ki Fathe! Thanks! Just another thing that got me thinking after reading the artical; Why can't women be initiated into the panj payare if they have taken Guru's Amrit?
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  4. Gyani Jarnail Singh

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    THANK YOU Veer Chan Pardesi Ji.and Veer Ambarsariah Ji.....Good job Jios. Most appreciated. I knew I could depend on you ji...
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    Chaan Pardesi

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    Giani JI and Parma JI TY for your kind words.The credit goes to Amabasaria ji more than me.AS I was abt to start i saw he had done the job and i only emabraked to correct the some grammer and lines.By the I would appreciate if Amabarsais Ji will let me have his name.Sr Harjinder Singh Dilgeer has really appreciated the translation in a post to Malaya Samachar on facebook.TY Jis.It is Gurus sewa, Parma ji.TY again.
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    Chaan Pardesi

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    The lack of comments portrays either poeple are shocked, or could not care less or now confused about what really has happened!
  7. Gyani Jarnail Singh

    Gyani Jarnail Singh Malaysia
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    The Lack of comments shows that the TRUTH is not welcome Ji...people just dont care..thats why the Fake snake oil merchants we call babas/sants/brahmgyanis are so successful...and the GURU SGGS plays second fiddle to charlatans...most know its the TRUTH..but its embarassing..let the status quo go on..keep quiet..why interfere..etc etc...GURU NANAK Ji face this same situation..it took them TEN Lifetimes and 230 YEARS of HARD WORK to WAKE up the slave minds...
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  8. Ambarsaria

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    Gyani Jarnail Singh ji thanks as always for your posts. One comment if I may.
    When I was translating, I was struck by the almost venomous tone and style of writing. I do respect that we need to be as black and white about facts and that is a credit to the article from what I can tell. However, in my humble opinion, such style or type of article rarely invokes great interactions. Hence I deduce there to be lack of comments.

    Even if it is 110% accurate in facts and history, one has to
    provide positive go forwards.
    Other than saying, oh throw all away and let us restart I do not see positive or go forward purpose of such writing.

    The gentleman is well read and perhaps can make a significant difference. A bit of positive channelization is required in my humble opinion.

    Not to offend or downplay the seriousness. The subject deserves substantial positive effort as much emanates from Darbar Sahib to impact Sikh psyche far and wide around the world.

    Sat Sri Akal.
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  9. linzer

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    I always been somewhat curious about the washing with milk ritual. Milk, in my experience anyway, is not a particulaly good cleaning product. Where does this come from? Is it suppose to purify? It just seems to draw flies. The bathing and drinking the water seems to me as a bad idea as well. When I was in the Bangla Sahib I put my feet in the water to cool off and came away with a horrendous case of athletes foot.

    Thanks to Ambarsaria ji and Chaaran Pardesi ji for the translation.
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  10. prakash.s.bagga

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    This truth I suppose is relative that is why it is not wecome.
    What is this truth for you may not be truth for others.

    Better one looks and focus on ABSOLUTE TRUTH stated in Gurbanee.

  11. sukhsingh

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    The lack of comments may also be to do with the fact that the writer offers no research references to substantiate some of the claims. Did guru arjun dev ji lay the foundations or did he invite mian mir?
  12. Harkiran Kaur

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    The only Rehet Maryada which is accepted by Akal Takht is the Panthic Maryada, also known as Sikh Rehet Maryada. However, that is clearly not what is being followed at Darbar Sahib, and we should question SGPC on why. Some examples of practices there which go against Sikhi are keeping women from seva (to the point of not even allowing a woman to touch the Palki Sahib at all - seriously if a woman touches it, they get all upset as if she desecrated it or something - let alone carrying it). Women are not allowed to do kirtan there, nor ishnan seva, or ever be one of the panj pyaras. I have never seen a female sitting on the tabiya there at all. Outside of unfair and unsikh-like treatment of women, there are differences regarding ragmala, which version of rehras sahib is recited, views on dasam granth, etc. If I have missed anything let me know.

    But a concerted effort should be made to address this at Akal Takht / SGPC as to why Sikh Rehet Maryada is not being followed there when Darbar Sahib is THE EXAMPLE for the rest of the panth!
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  13. sukhsingh

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    And logical reasoning supported by verifiable evidence must be to propose a historical narrative
  14. RD1

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    How do things get to this point where they are being run completely in opposition to how our Gurus intended?
  15. Harkiran Kaur

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    Easy, when you have dera mentality, with Babas running things how they see fit and enjoy the free flowing donations in the golak, along with worshippers at their feet. How easily after Guru Gobind Singh Ji left this world, did Sikhs go back to same old discrimination and ritualistic etc practices that all of the Gurus sought to rid the world of!? It comes back to greed and power. And I don't mean to be harsh but I have witnessed it.
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  16. RD1

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    People using and twisting religion to fulfill their own motives...seems to happen with every religion. Others blindly follow these people, without questioning, without trying to study the teachings on their own...As brilliant as humans can be, why is the human species so susceptible to becoming sheep?
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