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Hinduism Sikhism: A Tribute To Hinduism?

Jul 30, 2004
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Legumes said:
Scroll down to the part that says Sikhsim.

Let me know what you think.

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Hinduisms_influence.htm

Sikhism
Guru Nanak (1469-1539) born of Hindu parents, (his father Kalu Mehta was a Revenue official and Vedi (bedi) Khatri by caste)


pAnd Guru did not wear Yagyopaveet to end kashtryai Caste.


proclaimed his faith around 1500 AD in one God who was Nirankar (without bodily manifestations) and a caste-free society. Those who accepted his creed described themselves as Sikhs or his disciples.
God made him to do this to restore faith in
GodThey remained a part of the Hindu social system.
So did Guru made a first Sikh a Muslim and made fun of idols and Hindu demigods and broke caste and race and regeon by preaching faith in areas outisde India(while Hindu itself is Raceor regiaonal ideintity)

Guru Arjan Dev, the fifth Guru, declared: “We are neither Hindus nor Muslims.”

Did in ony Vedas term Hindu or Muslim comes
Nevertheless, in the Adi Granth he compiled around 1600 AD a little over 11,000 names of God that appear over 95 per cent are of Hindu origin: Hari, Rama, Gopal, Govind, Madhav, Vithal and others.
So were are Terms Rama or Hari are Hindu,which book of Hindus tells that they aree Hindu terms.

If we attach term Hindu with these God then they will lost thier universitalty and will be mere totam gods.So it is due to limited intellect of the writer and lack of sprituality and knoweldge and this will further be clarified after we see it clearer.
Some like Allah, Rab, Malik are Muslim. The exclusively Sikh word for God, Wahguru, appears only 16 times.
What about Akal,Niranakar,Kartar etc.



The Granth Sahib is compiled. It contains the works not just of the Gurus but also of Jaidev, Nam Dev, Trilochan, Parmanand, Sadhna, Beni, Ramanand, Dhanna, Pipa, Kabir, Ravidas, Mira, Surdas – Hindu poets and seers, Sufi bhakatas, each from a different part of the country.
and Namdev Calls Hindu as blind



The Granth, a scholar reminds us, invokes the name of Krishna ten thousand times, of Rama two thousand four hundred times.

attributed to one God.
It invokes Parabrahma 550 times, Omkar 400 times.
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Again to one God
.It invokes the authority of the Vedas, Puranas, Smritis about 350 times.
Term Kateeb ie Holy Bible and Holy Kuran is also refered again.


often Vedas are refered to as scripture but by the way where does any of Veda,Samrit or Puran says that they are Hindu scripture and if any then give referance.Even Two puranas refer Hindus as not from the writer.

The names of the Nirguna Absolute – Jagdish, Nirankar, Niranjan, Atma, Paramatma, Parmeshwar, Antaryami, Kartar – are invoked twenty six hundred times. Those of Saguna deity – Gobind, Murari, Madhav, Saligram, Vishnu, Sarangpani, Mukund, Thakur, Damodar, Vasudev, Mohan, Banwari, Madhusudan, Keshav, Chaturbhuj, etc, - are invoked two thousand times.
what you say Saguna is only refer as attribute of Nirgunawho is Sarguna(all attributes).

The rapture of the Gurus in describing Rama and Krishna, their reverence for Yashodha and Krishna, for Krishna and Radha, their repeated affirmations that in this day and age, in this Kaliyuga, the unfailing, indeed the only panacea, is to chant the name of Rama – what does all this mean?
The description of the formless, attributeless Absolute is explicitly derived from the Vedas, Upanishads and the Gita; the legends of the Puranas – of Krishna and Sudama, of Prahlad and Hiranyakashyap – are recounted to what do these facts testify?
By giving two quotes what do ytou want to testify that like Hinduism is contracdiction as both form and formless are given.



give either one form or fromless.If formless then all Forms are that forms but that can not be fixed in hindus which is formed.

Story says that all demigods of Hindus acted as God of Sikhs Akal wanted them to act and Akal was truly in them as they were false.

Guru Tegh Bahadur is executed explicitly for his defence of the Hindus of Kashmir, he is executed in the company of his Hindu devotees.
So his Sikhs are been tryed to be told as Hindus while main Head of Kashmeeri Pandit became Sikh.

It is sahmefull that nonj Hindu helped hindus.Tilak Janju Rakha Prab Taka means Lord(Guru) saved thier(second Party) holy thread and head mark.


Guru Gobind Singh composes a paen to Rama – Ramavatara – and another to Krishna – Krishnavatara. He declares as his aspiration:
told both are like insect in front of his God
Akal.

Sakal jagat mein khalsa panth gaaje
Jage dharma Hindu, sakal bhand bhaje
Stop lieing.

It is Jage Dharam,Hindu,Sakal Dhund Bhaje ie let rightousness be awaken and let Hinduism which is all mist be broken or fled.


Let the path of the pure prevail all over the world
Let the Hindu dharma dawn and all delusion disappear.
here in ugrdanti prayer of disappaerance of hindusim is prayed and further in same text descrutions of Devals(temples of deities) is prayed along side end of worship of all deities which may be born or die but only Akal Purakh needs to be worshiped.

He declares as his goal:
Dharam vedamaryaada jag mein chalaaun
Gaughaat kaa dosh jag se mitaaun
May I spread dharma and prestige of the Veda in the world.
And erase from it the sin of cow-slaughter.
Here this is redicules that pristige of Vedas thing is not in Bani but interpolted by writer and regarding removel of cow thing.

Guru tells in Krishna Avtar Lord Krishna killing cows and in Ram Avtar the Gomedh(cow killing) Yagna by Lav Kusha and here Guru wanted to tell that Cow for beefs should not be killed by Halal so Dosh ie mistake was in way of killing prevelant at those days and killing was not at all forbiddan.
(source: A Secular Agenda: For saving our country, For welding it - By Arun Shourie p. 3 - 11).


Guru Gobind Singh invoked the names of Shiva, Sri and Chandi - Maharaja Ranjit Singh went to Hardwar to bathe in the Ganga and expressed the wish that on his death the diamond and Koh-i-Noor should be gifted to the temple of Jagannath at Puri.
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Guru Gobind Singh, the last Sikh Guru who founded the Khalsa Panth in 1699 AD, invoked the names of Shiva, Sri and Chandi.

and told that all thses neames are of formless ie God of Sikhs.
Maharaja Ranjit Singh also had Brahmins perform havans,
he had Muslims also doing some paryers for him so was he a Muslim
. regarded cows as sacred, punished cow-killing with death,
Where di he made Temples of cow while his Muslims subjects and Nirankaris enjoyed beef.

went to Hardwar to bathe in the Ganga and
went to Muslim shrines also to help them.
expressed the wish that on his death the diamond and Koh-i-Noor should be gifted to the temple of Jagannath at Puri.
Then why was not it placed there? and why did he kept it while he was alive?While as he went to haridwar etc.he should have givne the stuff to Brhimns there and them,perhaps to one who did Yagna for him?

did he doubted Brhimins.

Fact is that so called Yagnas were done by Nirmala Pandits to converts more Hindus into faith.

Till then relations between the Hindus and the Sikhs were of naunh-maas — as the nail to the flesh out of which it grows. Inter-marriages between Hindus and Sikhs of same castes were common.
And what about Sikhs marrying Muslims,the Maharaj Himself.

And how did caste come when Guru oppsed it.If it came then best was to reomve it as being anti Faith.It was more brought in by some neo converts.

nails are to be removed and thrwon out and and can never be like flesh so to be more cleared the Hand of Sikhs did had dirt of hinduism below the nail.
Many Hindu families brought up their eldest sons as Khalsas, whom they regarded as Kesha Dhaaree Hindus (Hindus who did not cut their hair or beards).
then do it at present if this happened in past.

And by this saying sikh is Kesdhari Hindu all sorts of Naga (Naked Sanyasi) or Jatils ahve become Sikhs even without knowing an inch of Panth.
(For more on Ranjit Singh refer to chapter on European Imperialism).
Seeds of Hindu-Sikh separatism were sown by the British after they annexed Punjab in 1839 AD. They made reservations for Khalsa Sikhs in the Army, Civil Services and legislatures. Thus an economic incentive was given to Khalsa separateness.
Rulers did this to didivd and rule but same was done to divide Muslims also from rest.Sikhs were misused to supress Hindus and Muslims and rest were also used to act Vice Versa.
The feeling was eagerly nurtured by leaders of both communities. The lead was taken by Swami Dayanand Saraswati of the Arya Samaj. He visited Punjab and in his intemperate speeches described Guru Nanak as a semi-literate imposter (Dambhi)
.

This is sahmefull to deem Swami Ji as leader of Hindus while he beheld Hindu word in wrong esteem.

Sikhs picked up the gauntlet and made Swamiji or mahasha a synonym for a bigoted Hindu.
Swami Ji misused Hindus and Sikhs alike.
Sikh separatism was boosted by the Singh Sabha movement started in the 1880s.
It was been done more to take care of Christian missioaries and when swami Ji were called to help he ditched Sikhs.

Was there to remove such things from Sikhs,which were Anti Sikhism which were later removed by Hindus themsleves from thier faith also.
1. non enrty o lower caste into temple
2. not crossing teh sea etc.


It found expression in a booklet by Sikh scholar Bhai Kahan Singh of Nabha entitled “Hum Hindu Naheen Hain” — we are not Hindus.
This most ridculous thing as majority of Hindus have not read this book.

There term Hinduism and Anti Sikh rituals coming into Panth are been told as Bad and good name for Hindus is suggested after qouting the holy Puranas themselves.

Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs started treading different paths.
Sikh can never be a Punjabi and Hindu and what about Sikhs who were not Punjabis ie at that time only in Mahrashtra and eccan or say Bihar or Assam or say in Afghanistan or Kashmeer or Sindh.
The Hindus opened DAV
did DAV endrose Hindus?

and Sanatan Dharm schools and colleges.
Can Hindu(a race or regeona ) be Etetnal or Sanatan)
The Sikhs opened Khalsa schools and colleges. They closed ranks to face Muslim dominance and later against the demand for Pakistan.
They also often took help of Muslims to oppse Britshers also.


Though Muslims conceded that Sikhs were Ahl-e-Kitaab (people of the Book) as were the Jews and the Christians, they regarded them too close to the Hindus to be accommodated in Pakistan.
Jinnah did offer Sikhs the Pakistan and many are still there and many Hindus there also have now converted to Faith.No Arya Samaji anyway left there.

When Partition came, Punjabi Muslims drove both Hindus and Sikhs out of their country.

Sikhs are still there.But Hindus are little.

With the affluence that came with the Green Revolution, the younger generation of Sikhs in increasing numbers began to give up the Khalsa tradition of keeping their beards and hair unshorn. They became clean-shaven (mona) Sikhs.
Which you can call Hindu.
The dividing line between the two communities became blurred because a mona Sikh was no different from a Hindu believing in Sikhism, no different from millions of Punjabi and Sindhi Hindus who revered Granth Sahib and frequented gurdwaras.
It is due to the Fact that many Hindus have no faith in thier old ism termed as Hinduism.
(source: Hindu-Sikh relations - By Khushwant Singh - tribuneindia.com).
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Sikhs and Hindus: A Common Heritage
The ritual aspects of the Sikh tradition demonstrate the Hindu origins remaining in the scriptures.
Many scholars have stated that the Granth contains specific references to Hindu gods such as Rama and Krishna. The gurudwaras, or Sikh temples, have always been decorated with pictures of Hindu devas and devis.
They were shown as servent of Akal and hense the verbal manifestation of Guru Granth Sahib and that is thier proper place but tell how many books says that devi and devas were Hindu or say living in India,say Shiv Ji could be a Tibbetian or say Vishnu could be alien due to staying in other world.


If the Guru Granth Sahib were to be examined, there is no difference between Hinduism and Sikhism because the Granth is based on the Hindu scriptures and beliefs.
So Hindus are told to be dumb and blind in same and Six Philsophis of Hindus are rejected.


(Khat Darshan)


An authority on modern Sikhism, Dr. Gopal Singh, indicated in his translation of Shri Guru Granth Sahib that the worship of Rama and Krishna is found in the Granth.
Das can tranlate Ram Charitar Manas as worshipping of Akal and not Lord Rama.
Guru Gobind Singh describes in the Dasma Granth how Akal (God) had expanded Himself to first become Vishnu, then Brahma and Shiva. This is described in the Vichitra Natak.
Akal also been told in insect and in poor also in same Dranth so thats what is status of Three gods for Sikhs.They are made to serve Humans and not to be worshipped.
The Guru then goes on to describe the characteristics of Vishnu
vishnu is attribute of ouor God and not areal entity..
He also goes on to discuss the origins of gods, demons, Garuda and other beings in the same manner as Vedvyas did before.

Vedvysa also worshipped the Gods of Sikhs and was no where near Hindus.



The Tenth Guru then goes so far to claim his own origin from Lord Rama and His descendants.
Just to let Hindus also renuonce the wroship of Ram and Became Sikh of Akal as family of Rama has also has termed Rama as insect in front of true God Akal.


Most people of the Punjab know that the city of Lahore was built by the elder son of Rama, Luv, while the city of Kasur was built by Kush, the younger son.
So why do not Hindu recalim it back.

Very shamefull to them.


A powerful point can be made here in that Guru Gobind Singh states Guru Nanak as being a descendant of Kush, while himself (Guru Gobind) is a descendant of Luv. Guru Gobind describes the genealogy in great detail and tells how this came to be so.
Just to show that Rama shouold not be woprshipped by others as his family took refuge to Akal.
Except for Guru Angad and Guru Amardas, the eight remaining Gurus were recognized as descendants of Lord Rama, whether it is because of devotion or respect, this view is held by both Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs.
It strang that two were left out by you but thing here is that linage does not matter in us at all as many decdants of Gurus like Minas,Dheerrmalyas and Ramrayas are not to be contacted and Son of Demon Prahlad is respected.

Spex of racial hinduism must be removed from eyes.
A further analysis of the Guru Granth, the Dasma Granth and Hindu scriptures will show that there is no difference between the philosophies they all convey.

So where is term of devotion been attached to Vedantic God in any of your scripture before Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Had Vedanta OK then Gurmat would not have come.

Mere knowledge did not casue unity of mankind but casued didivsion so devotion also came in by Akal sending our Gurus.

See that Vedanta makes fun of rest Five Philosophys and was later to them.Nit older.


So why can not a newer faith Sikhism can come and which is maore like Islam .

It is more to do with development of sprituality with mind then any thing to narrow ideolgy.


The philosophy and devotion of Hindus belonging to the Shakti cult (Mother Goddess) can also be seen by Guru Gobind's monumental work "Var Durga Ki"

Where Durga is termed as Fromless.
which is revered by both Sikhs and Hindus.
Then Hindus should break the idol of Durga from their Temple to make it formless.Then only use of reverance.

The only conclusion that one can make is that there is no philosophical or cultural difference between the Hindus and Sikhs
.

Only conclusion is that to go with all contradiction is Hinduism and to remove all contradition is Sikhism.
It is only that Sikhism is a simplistic form of Hinduism and is separate from any other religion that could have influenced it during its evolution.

So Saying Rasool as Rasool,God As Allah and Holy Kuran as word of God and himself as idol braker as per Islamic term by Tenth Master yet shamelessly calling as one stranege thing.

Guru Arjun, who compiled the Granth Sahib, writes in the fifth Granth "O God you are as great as you adopted the form of Vamana [fifth incarnation of Vishnu], you are also Ram Chandra [seventh incarnation of Vishnu] but you have no form or outline". This "no form or outline" concept can also be found in the Divine Manifestations, the tenth chapter of the Bhagavad Gita where Krishna states He has a form and is beyond form. Guru Arjun goes on to make references to Narsimha [fourth avatar], Warha [second avatar], Krishna [eight avatar] and Kach [third avatar
].


If it is in Gita Also then why did Hindus still go by false demi Gods and still tell us to follow the false hood.

In fact we actuly and practiacly follow Gita and if you be lie us then you coould actly follow Gita by actualy following Akal.

Incarnations are as false as any other creation be it Temple of Aydhya or Idol of Somnath,which was broken.and will bebroken again.
Guru Nanak makes specific references to Lord Rama and wrote several hymns about Lord Krishna. All throughout the Granth praises are specifically addressed to the avatars of Vishnu, particularly to Rama and Krishna.
Qoute them as das did not find even one verse telling us to wroship them,There are verse telling about Bad people,Muslims or semtic prophets but that does not means that Guru endrose them.
A very interesting observation of the literature is the occurrence and reference to the name "Bithal", which is found throughout the Granth. Bithal is the Punjabi version of the Marathi name "Vithal" which is another name for Lord Krishna.

It is used By Marathi speaking person who makes fun of Rama,Devi and Shiv(Devote Namdev and this Vithal verbly means who can take care of anyone but not the one who dies of the arrow of the hunter.
Hardyal Singh M.A., a famous Punjabi revolutionary during the time of the British Raj, said that "if you were to remove every page that contained the name of Bithal or Ram from the Granth, you will be left with nothing more than a few pages and the book case."

Removal of the text is more being dones in Hindus while they remove pages of Manu Samrit even without any attempt to understand it.

In past veseted interest misinterpreted it and in present they still go by worng interpetations.


The Guru Granth Sahib clearly states that Bithal is the Lord.
Lord Akal is real Bithal and not
KrishanaThe goal of Hindus and Sikhs alike is not to reach a heaven, because this achievement is only temporary, but to break the cycle of life and death in order to achieve moksha (salvation or nirvana). If one fails, they may have to repeat either one, some or all of their existences. This is not the view held by the other tradition that could have influenced Sikhism, namely Islam.

Here itself differance between Hindus and Sikhs is given.

Yes Hindus do attempt to act to get Moksha or Nirvana.

But Sikhs are told to not to aspire anything but surrneder to the will of God(I Do not want Kingdom,I Do not want Mukti,I ask for Love to lotus feet).


Acting good for result with intention(Kmana) is Hinduism.Acting as Tool of God is Gurmat.

When Tenth Master was sked about Diffreance between Hindus and Sikhs then he told that they work for reward and Sikh does not work himself/herself but behold God working insode and outiside(Sau Sakhi).

We folow Gita Better then Hindus.

Reference is made to the avatars of Vishnu in the Granth Sahib. There are ten major avatars referred to as the Dasha Avatars, there are fourteen minor avatars as well. All these avatars are recognized in the Guru Granth Sahib even if Hindus of different sects may not recognize them all.

Where is Rudra referede to as Vishnu Avtar?

Mehdi Meer who killes Kalki in which of Hindu book is it writtan?

And lastly Rishabhdev of Jain is respected in Hindus as Vishnu Avtar but Arhantdev is not beeing told to preach truth in our book.

And Vishnu is refred as becoming stone after copurese of feamle demon how can he be god(Triya Charitar266).
The Dasma Granth deals with all the avatars beginning on page 169.
Tells them to be working under the order of God of Sikhs like Sufi told them working for Allah.
Volume two of the Dasma Granth is exclusively based on Krishna.

Krishna been told begging to A Singh Kharag Singh.
It is accepted that Guru Gobind Singh was a staunch believer in Durga Mata (Mother Goddess) as many of his hymns such as 'Deh Vo Shiva' are directed towards Shiva (not the male god but his female consort also known as Shakti or Devi who at times is referred to by His name).

He refred Durga as Attribute of Akal.He told that Durga Devi was made by Akal(Nirnakar) and lives under Akal's feet and refuge.Even he said that actaul killer of Mahishsur was formless and not Durga.
In the entire Guru Granth Sahib, the Vedas are respected and referred to as sacred. Guru Gobind Singh states that the Vedas originated from Brahma and the path of the Vedas is the only path for the people to follow
:

So theroy of four Rishis by Swami Dayanand Ji is false.

But we actualy follow the God mentioned in Vedas but Hindus rather insult that by gooing after demi gods.
Chaupai 197 Brahma char he ved banaie Sarab lowg tih karam chale Brahma created the Vedas
This means that people at that time people did follow veda,such a wrong interpetation that past tense is made as simple present.

In fact with Guru Granth Sahib there is no need of Veda left or else it would not have come.



Guru Nanak also recited the famous aarti (song of worship) of Ek Omkar which he composed in praise of Lord Jaganath of Puri.
He rather oppsed the Arti of idol by small mater with eternal Arti of Akal being dome constantly.

How can be handless(called Lula by Nihung) Jaganath be Oankar,who created the universe.



He also went on pilgrimage to Badri Nath which is sacred to Hindus.
he went there to preach Sikhism to misguided people,Did went for pilgrimage to Holy Mecca then we are Muslims?


Guru Tegh Bahadur, tn pilgrimage to Jwalamukhi in Kangra.
He did not go to hills but did preach hill people to worship Akal.We wne tot Sufi places also,was he a Muslim?


Guru Gobind Singh worshipped Durga and fought the mughals to free Ayodhya Masjid (the controversial mosque of Ayodhya).
the date which is givne for Guru's coming to Aydhya is when Guru was not born or perhaps was in Patna.

In his Vachitar Natak he gives all details of his wars which were faouth more with Hindus.


A person who procalimes as Butshikan as per Islam(Jaffernammah),prays to desctrction of Devals(Ugrdanti) and you say that he worshipped Devi or fought for lord Ramah Temple.

Guru Ramdas wore a Vaishnav tilak on his forehead
.

tilak in Panth is of Saffron while Sindur or Chanden is used for Vaishnavs.

Guru Nanakdev had dress with Ayats of holy Kuran.

Swrod of Guru Gobind Singh Ji had Allah Ho Akbar writtan over it.
So what does it mean?

And why did Guru asked a Muslim Mia Meer to plac the foundation of Golden Temple and why did Sixthe Guru made mosque for Muslims.

Divine Descendance of Sikh Gurus
Sun Dynasty
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Sri Ram
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Laoo (Lavu)..........................Kashoo
(settled in lahore).................(settle in Kasoor)
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Kal Rai.............................Kal Ket
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Sodhis.................................Bedis
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Forth to Tenth Gurus....................First to Third Gurus
4. Guru Ram Das Ji......................1. Guru Nanak Dev Ji
5. Guru Arjan Dev Ji.....................2. Guru Angad Dev Ji
6. Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji............3. Guru Amar Das Ji
7. Guru Har Rai Ji..................................|
8. Guru Har Krishan Ji.............................|
9. Guru Teg Bahadur Ji...........................|
10.Guru Gobind Singh Ji..........................|
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Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
another absud thing.

Same Vachitar Natak tells that devtas are not devine but people doing Good acts and Surya was man and not sun who started dynsty.
And from First Guru onward we had concept of Sabad Guru,Guru Panth(See teh verse by Sikhs form lower castes also in Guru Granth Sahib Ji ie Bhai Mardana,Satta,Balwand,Abdulla Bhatt perhaps) and all from Guru Bar Akal(Gur Prasad ie in the form of Guru(God) gives us teaching)
(
source: Sikhs and Hindus: A Common Heritage and Divine Descendance of Sikh Gurus).
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Bharat Gupta, associate professor at Delhi University writes: "...in the 19th century Sikh separateness was redefined by the earlier British historians first and the Indians later. Sikhism was made to appear as a new religion, Anti Vedic, and a mixture of Indic-Islamic tenets, not based on philosophical tenets but on things like dress and food and architecture of Gurdwaaras and supposed rejection of caste. In this fabrication, the Khalsa has been fore grounded, almost equated with all Sikhism, and the Naamdhaaris, Nirankaaris, and such denominations of the Sikh tradition have been ignored, even persecuted"
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so AR Darshi speaks about demon like attributes by ancestors of Hindus and hated by Iranians for that.

Anyway do you know that Nirnakaris did abused cows and Namdharis term Hindus as per thier sau Sakhi to be elimniated soon.

And Jaffernammah part of Dasham Granth is here before Britishers came.

As Hindus were misusing Sikhism under Ranjit Singh it is possible that Purbiya(East UP) convert did help Britishers to get rid of Hindu type Sikh rule.Same people later did help Professor Gurmukh Singh's Lahore Singh Sabha.
Japji Sahib is Based on the Upanishads - says Khuswant Singh
Did Upnishad mention Holy Bible and Holy Kuran.
Sikhs are kes-dhari [sporting unshorn hair] Hindus.
So all hindu Jatadhari Sadhu weather comit Adultary,eat Hala or smoke are Sikhs?
Their religious source is Hinduism. Sikhism is a tradition developed within Hinduism.
So tell about any of yoy book which talks about Hinduism as religeon or term Hindu as folowor of faith.We have term Sikh in same context witrh our books but you do not ahve any such thing yet such absurd cliams.


Guru Granth Sahib reflects Vedantic philosophy and Japji Sahib is based on the Upanishads.
This is another proof of lack of knowledge of own books.

Vedanta is refreance drwan by Upnishads while writer is thinking them in same line.

Even had it been OK then all other Puranas etc. could have been rejected.

But in Vedanta Bhakti does not exist but in us it does exist so are we differant.And also puting ideas in socity.
] Sikhism, like unity of God, casteless society, etc. were also preached by other Vaishnava bhaktas [saints}
of the time.
And also by Sufi Muslims and they did convert large population of Hindus into Islam in Kashmeer and Bengal and Sindh.
In the Encyclopedia Britannica Khuswant Singh has said that Sikhism is a tradition developed within Hinduism or an extension of the bhakti movement. Again, in The Wall Street Journal (Oct. 12, 2001) he states that Sikhism is a branch of Hinduism.

We have Khushwant Singh saying that at start of 21st centuary we will be absorbed by Hindus,did this happen but same person says that Dasham Granth is not the work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.Upto you to belive him or not.

(source: Japji Sahib is Based on the Upanishads - By Khuswant Singh - sikhtimes.com).
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Sikhs and Hindus
Hindus are conditioned to regard Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism as "panths" or sects.
Equating Sikhs with Nastik or non belivers Anti Vedic Budhist or Jains itslef is disrespect to Sikh Panth and this shows that Dasham Granth is not properly read and Guru Granth Sahib but by the nway how can a race or regianl entiy called Hindu has areligeon as its sect is the biggest foolsoh thing to understand.






My folks told me that the elder son would become a Sikh while the younger remained Hindu;
As per present law in most democracy one son can be Chrsitain also.We had one Sikh praja Singh converted to Islam yet maintained in family(read book of Hari Ram Gupta)


that the Gurus were devotees of Ram and Krishna;
And made fun of them and more in Dasham Granth.


that the Marathi sant-poet Namdev's hymns are included in the Granth Sahib;

who put Hindus as blind and thier gods as inferioor and part of Akal only

that, prior to the tenth Guru, there was no separate name for the followers of Guru Nanak and they were considered a part and parcel of Hinduism;
Wait term Sikh and Shishya was at the time of Vedas or say Santi Kabeer while term Hindu was givne by invaders as derogatroy term yet it was racial and how can race be a faith?

that Guru Gobind Singh gave the name "Sikh" to those who were willing to fight the tyranny of the Mughals.
And Guru Nanak said that those who behold Akal as Guru is Sikh and Saint Kabeer Called himself as Sikh of Akal.


I was taught that Hinduism is a generic name given to all the faiths which have roots in India and believe in Parmatma (God), Prarthana (prayer), Punerjanma (reincarnation), Purushartha (Karma) and Prani Daya (kindness to all living beings). Sikhism believes in all...
yuo are misguided as Hinduism is name given to justify salve mentality.

Derogatory name by oppressor and stillclinging better wouold ahve been using term Sanatan which is anti Hindu.
At a meeting in Bombay on August 19, 1964, Tara Singh declared,
"Sikhs and Hindus are not separate. Sikhs will survive only if Hindus survive.
So in Iran,Afghansitan and Pakistan there are mnay places where Hindus are no more But Sikhs lives and multiyply.
Sikhs are part and parcel of the Hindu Society.
Inspite of thier books calling Hindus with something inferior. and themselves considering this term derogatory strange?

Guru Govind Singhji brought in Gurumukhi the wisdom and philosophy from our scriptures and Puranas.
Das know that Since first Master did Gurmukhi being used and was organised by Second Master.

What about Hiqyats and Jaffernaamh in Faris ladden with Arebic?

Are we going to give up this heritage?
In sha Allah our Hertiage is oldere then Hinduism

In fact Hindus and Sikhs are not two separate communities.
Can same be said for Hindus and Christian perhaps no yet can some one say that Christian and Pakistani are not sepoarte comunities or Negro or Muslim are not spearte community,such things are absurd.
Name is Sikh and beard... Mona (non beard) Sikh and Sevak... That is all... Sikhs live if Hinduism exists.
So if Mon then Hindu and by Mona Hinduism lives and Sikh do not.Sikhs will live after Hindusin as they di before Hindusim.
If Sikhs live Hinduism lives. They are not two separate communities. They are one indeed. "
Like White race and Christianity or like Negroa and Islam or like Jews and Muslims?Are they one? no off course!
What are the roots of Sikhism...?
Here are some stanzas from the Gurus and the Guru Granth Saheb:
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Do not misused the name of Guru Grtanh Sahib Ji.
Taha hum adhik tapasya sadhi / Mahakal kalika aradhi ~ Guru Gobind Singh.
(There I worshipped and did penance to seek Kali.)
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There I with full concnertration did worship of Death of time while your Devi and Shiva are bounded by Time.Same Natak tells maker of Devi Three demigods being born out of feet(refuge) of Akal,who is formless.
Ram katha jug jug atal / Sab koi bhakhat net Suragbas Raghuver kara / Sagri puri samet Jo en Katha sune aur gaave / Dukh pap tah nikat na aave ~ Guru Gobind Singh
(The story of Ram is immortal and everyone should read it. Ram went to heaven along with the whole city. Whoever listens to or sings His story, will be free of sin and sorrow.)
It is ironly that at one place we say that Story of Rama is eternal for ages while Rama has left to hevan(not salvage)
And next line are Ram Raheem or Puran or Kuran not to be followed.

* Vedahun vidit dharma pracharyun / Gohat kalamka vishva nivaryun Sakal jagat mein Khalsa Panth gaajey / Jagey dharm Hindu sakal bhand bhajey ~ Guru Gobind Singh
(May I preach the Vedas to the whole mankind / May I remove the blot of cow-slaughter from the whole world / May the Khalsa Panth reign supreme / Long live Hinduism and falsehood perish).

First line has been interpolated by you.

Second line comes somewhere lese and tells to kill Cow by Jhatka some peple say that cow is refree to weak or cowards lie Hindus.

Then as Das told beofre when Panth Khalsa will come Hinduism ,the whole of mist will disappear.
* Kahaiya Hinduan daro na ab tum / Im likho pathon dil sain Guru Nanak ki gadi par / Ab hain Tegh Bahadur Unko jo Muhummadi kar lihoon / To ham hain sab sadar Arya Dharma rakhak pragatiyo hain ~ Guru Tegh Bahadur
(Hindus, do not fear, Guru Tegh Bahadur is Guru Nanak's successor. If Muslims bother you, I'll take care of them. For I am the protector of Hinduism.)
no wheere in the Bani of Ninth Master
As Hindu precives does write but is false.
* Tin te sun Siri Tegh Bahadur / Dharam nibaahan bikhe Bahadur Uttar bhaniyo, dharam hum Hindu / Atipriya ko kin karen nikandu Lok parlok ubhaya sukhani / Aan napahant yahi samani Mat mileen murakh mat loi / Ise tayage pramar soi Hindu dharam rakhe jag mahin / Tumre kare bin se it nahin ~ Guru Tegh Bahadur's reply to Aurangzeb's ordering him to embrace Islam.
(In response, Shri Tegh Bahadur says, My religion is Hindu and how can I abandon what is so dear to me? This religion helps you in this world and that, and only a fool would abandon it. God himself is the protector of this religion and no one can destroy it.)
Again not in Bani of ?Ninth Master


* Sakal jagat main Khalsa Panth gaje / Jage dharam Hindu sakal bhand bhaje ~ Guru Gobind Singh.
(The Khalsa sect will roar around the world. Hinduism will awaken, its enemies will flee).
It is like that ,in All world Relgeon or way of Khalsa will roar(make trimph).

Jage Dharam Hindun Sagal Dhundh Bhaje.

Rithousness will be awaken and all mist of Hindus will alsom disappear as (Dharm will bhe back in them and they will be no longer Hindus and will be Sikh)

another could be Hindus,who are mist(of flasehood) will run away or disappear.

And lastly das noted that you did not Give even a one verse from Guru Granth Sahib Ji while leied above that qoutes are from Guru Granth Sahib Ji
shame on you.
 
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Scroll down to the part that says Sikhsim.

Let me know what you think.

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Hinduisms_influence.htm

Sikhism
Guru Nanak (1469-1539) born of Hindu parents, (his father Kalu Mehta was a Revenue official and Vedi (bedi) Khatri by caste)


pAnd Guru did not wear Yagyopaveet to end kashtryai Caste.


proclaimed his faith around 1500 AD in one God who was Nirankar (without bodily manifestations) and a caste-free society. Those who accepted his creed described themselves as Sikhs or his disciples.
God made him to do this to restore faith in
GodThey remained a part of the Hindu social system.
So did Guru made a first Sikh a Muslim and made fun of idols and Hindu demigods and broke caste and race and regeon by preaching faith in areas outisde India(while Hindu itself is Raceor regiaonal ideintity)

Guru Arjan Dev, the fifth Guru, declared: “We are neither Hindus nor Muslims.”

Did in ony Vedas term Hindu or Muslim comes
Nevertheless, in the Adi Granth he compiled around 1600 AD a little over 11,000 names of God that appear over 95 per cent are of Hindu origin: Hari, Rama, Gopal, Govind, Madhav, Vithal and others.
So were are Terms Rama or Hari are Hindu,which book of Hindus tells that they aree Hindu terms.

If we attach term Hindu with these God then they will lost thier universitalty and will be mere totam gods.So it is due to limited intellect of the writer and lack of sprituality and knoweldge and this will further be clarified after we see it clearer.
Some like Allah, Rab, Malik are Muslim. The exclusively Sikh word for God, Wahguru, appears only 16 times.
What about Akal,Niranakar,Kartar etc.



The Granth Sahib is compiled. It contains the works not just of the Gurus but also of Jaidev, Nam Dev, Trilochan, Parmanand, Sadhna, Beni, Ramanand, Dhanna, Pipa, Kabir, Ravidas, Mira, Surdas – Hindu poets and seers, Sufi bhakatas, each from a different part of the country.
and Namdev Calls Hindu as blind



The Granth, a scholar reminds us, invokes the name of Krishna ten thousand times, of Rama two thousand four hundred times.

attributed to one God.
It invokes Parabrahma 550 times, Omkar 400 times.
I

Again to one God
.It invokes the authority of the Vedas, Puranas, Smritis about 350 times.
Term Kateeb ie Holy Bible and Holy Kuran is also refered again.


often Vedas are refered to as scripture but by the way where does any of Veda,Samrit or Puran says that they are Hindu scripture and if any then give referance.Even Two puranas refer Hindus as not from the writer.

The names of the Nirguna Absolute – Jagdish, Nirankar, Niranjan, Atma, Paramatma, Parmeshwar, Antaryami, Kartar – are invoked twenty six hundred times. Those of Saguna deity – Gobind, Murari, Madhav, Saligram, Vishnu, Sarangpani, Mukund, Thakur, Damodar, Vasudev, Mohan, Banwari, Madhusudan, Keshav, Chaturbhuj, etc, - are invoked two thousand times.
what you say Saguna is only refer as attribute of Nirgunawho is Sarguna(all attributes).

The rapture of the Gurus in describing Rama and Krishna, their reverence for Yashodha and Krishna, for Krishna and Radha, their repeated affirmations that in this day and age, in this Kaliyuga, the unfailing, indeed the only panacea, is to chant the name of Rama – what does all this mean?
The description of the formless, attributeless Absolute is explicitly derived from the Vedas, Upanishads and the Gita; the legends of the Puranas – of Krishna and Sudama, of Prahlad and Hiranyakashyap – are recounted to what do these facts testify?
By giving two quotes what do ytou want to testify that like Hinduism is contracdiction as both form and formless are given.



give either one form or fromless.If formless then all Forms are that forms but that can not be fixed in hindus which is formed.

Story says that all demigods of Hindus acted as God of Sikhs Akal wanted them to act and Akal was truly in them as they were false.

Guru Tegh Bahadur is executed explicitly for his defence of the Hindus of Kashmir, he is executed in the company of his Hindu devotees.
So his Sikhs are been tryed to be told as Hindus while main Head of Kashmeeri Pandit became Sikh.

It is sahmefull that nonj Hindu helped hindus.Tilak Janju Rakha Prab Taka means Lord(Guru) saved thier(second Party) holy thread and head mark.


Guru Gobind Singh composes a paen to Rama – Ramavatara – and another to Krishna – Krishnavatara. He declares as his aspiration:
told both are like insect in front of his God
Akal.

Sakal jagat mein khalsa panth gaaje
Jage dharma Hindu, sakal bhand bhaje
Stop lieing.

It is Jage Dharam,Hindu,Sakal Dhund Bhaje ie let rightousness be awaken and let Hinduism which is all mist be broken or fled.


Let the path of the pure prevail all over the world
Let the Hindu dharma dawn and all delusion disappear.
here in ugrdanti prayer of disappaerance of hindusim is prayed and further in same text descrutions of Devals(temples of deities) is prayed along side end of worship of all deities which may be born or die but only Akal Purakh needs to be worshiped.

He declares as his goal:
Dharam vedamaryaada jag mein chalaaun
Gaughaat kaa dosh jag se mitaaun
May I spread dharma and prestige of the Veda in the world.
And erase from it the sin of cow-slaughter.
Here this is redicules that pristige of Vedas thing is not in Bani but interpolted by writer and regarding removel of cow thing.

Guru tells in Krishna Avtar Lord Krishna killing cows and in Ram Avtar the Gomedh(cow killing) Yagna by Lav Kusha and here Guru wanted to tell that Cow for beefs should not be killed by Halal so Dosh ie mistake was in way of killing prevelant at those days and killing was not at all forbiddan.
(source: A Secular Agenda: For saving our country, For welding it - By Arun Shourie p. 3 - 11).


Guru Gobind Singh invoked the names of Shiva, Sri and Chandi - Maharaja Ranjit Singh went to Hardwar to bathe in the Ganga and expressed the wish that on his death the diamond and Koh-i-Noor should be gifted to the temple of Jagannath at Puri.
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Guru Gobind Singh, the last Sikh Guru who founded the Khalsa Panth in 1699 AD, invoked the names of Shiva, Sri and Chandi.

and told that all thses neames are of formless ie God of Sikhs.
Maharaja Ranjit Singh also had Brahmins perform havans,
he had Muslims also doing some paryers for him so was he a Muslim
. regarded cows as sacred, punished cow-killing with death,
Where di he made Temples of cow while his Muslims subjects and Nirankaris enjoyed beef.

went to Hardwar to bathe in the Ganga and
went to Muslim shrines also to help them.
expressed the wish that on his death the diamond and Koh-i-Noor should be gifted to the temple of Jagannath at Puri.
Then why was not it placed there? and why did he kept it while he was alive?While as he went to haridwar etc.he should have givne the stuff to Brhimns there and them,perhaps to one who did Yagna for him?

did he doubted Brhimins.

Fact is that so called Yagnas were done by Nirmala Pandits to converts more Hindus into faith.

Till then relations between the Hindus and the Sikhs were of naunh-maas — as the nail to the flesh out of which it grows. Inter-marriages between Hindus and Sikhs of same castes were common.
And what about Sikhs marrying Muslims,the Maharaj Himself.

And how did caste come when Guru oppsed it.If it came then best was to reomve it as being anti Faith.It was more brought in by some neo converts.

nails are to be removed and thrwon out and and can never be like flesh so to be more cleared the Hand of Sikhs did had dirt of hinduism below the nail.
Many Hindu families brought up their eldest sons as Khalsas, whom they regarded as Kesha Dhaaree Hindus (Hindus who did not cut their hair or beards).
then do it at present if this happened in past.

And by this saying sikh is Kesdhari Hindu all sorts of Naga (Naked Sanyasi) or Jatils ahve become Sikhs even without knowing an inch of Panth.
(For more on Ranjit Singh refer to chapter on European Imperialism).
Seeds of Hindu-Sikh separatism were sown by the British after they annexed Punjab in 1839 AD. They made reservations for Khalsa Sikhs in the Army, Civil Services and legislatures. Thus an economic incentive was given to Khalsa separateness.
Rulers did this to didivd and rule but same was done to divide Muslims also from rest.Sikhs were misused to supress Hindus and Muslims and rest were also used to act Vice Versa.
The feeling was eagerly nurtured by leaders of both communities. The lead was taken by Swami Dayanand Saraswati of the Arya Samaj. He visited Punjab and in his intemperate speeches described Guru Nanak as a semi-literate imposter (Dambhi)
.

This is sahmefull to deem Swami Ji as leader of Hindus while he beheld Hindu word in wrong esteem.

Sikhs picked up the gauntlet and made Swamiji or mahasha a synonym for a bigoted Hindu.
Swami Ji misused Hindus and Sikhs alike.
Sikh separatism was boosted by the Singh Sabha movement started in the 1880s.
It was been done more to take care of Christian missioaries and when swami Ji were called to help he ditched Sikhs.

Was there to remove such things from Sikhs,which were Anti Sikhism which were later removed by Hindus themsleves from thier faith also.
1. non enrty o lower caste into temple
2. not crossing teh sea etc.


It found expression in a booklet by Sikh scholar Bhai Kahan Singh of Nabha entitled “Hum Hindu Naheen Hain” — we are not Hindus.
This most ridculous thing as majority of Hindus have not read this book.

There term Hinduism and Anti Sikh rituals coming into Panth are been told as Bad and good name for Hindus is suggested after qouting the holy Puranas themselves.

Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs started treading different paths.
Sikh can never be a Punjabi and Hindu and what about Sikhs who were not Punjabis ie at that time only in Mahrashtra and eccan or say Bihar or Assam or say in Afghanistan or Kashmeer or Sindh.
The Hindus opened DAV
did DAV endrose Hindus?

and Sanatan Dharm schools and colleges.
Can Hindu(a race or regeona ) be Etetnal or Sanatan)
The Sikhs opened Khalsa schools and colleges. They closed ranks to face Muslim dominance and later against the demand for Pakistan.
They also often took help of Muslims to oppse Britshers also.


Though Muslims conceded that Sikhs were Ahl-e-Kitaab (people of the Book) as were the Jews and the Christians, they regarded them too close to the Hindus to be accommodated in Pakistan.
Jinnah did offer Sikhs the Pakistan and many are still there and many Hindus there also have now converted to Faith.No Arya Samaji anyway left there.

When Partition came, Punjabi Muslims drove both Hindus and Sikhs out of their country.

Sikhs are still there.But Hindus are little.

With the affluence that came with the Green Revolution, the younger generation of Sikhs in increasing numbers began to give up the Khalsa tradition of keeping their beards and hair unshorn. They became clean-shaven (mona) Sikhs.
Which you can call Hindu.
The dividing line between the two communities became blurred because a mona Sikh was no different from a Hindu believing in Sikhism, no different from millions of Punjabi and Sindhi Hindus who revered Granth Sahib and frequented gurdwaras.
It is due to the Fact that many Hindus have no faith in thier old ism termed as Hinduism.
(source: Hindu-Sikh relations - By Khushwant Singh - tribuneindia.com).
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Sikhs and Hindus: A Common Heritage
The ritual aspects of the Sikh tradition demonstrate the Hindu origins remaining in the scriptures.
Many scholars have stated that the Granth contains specific references to Hindu gods such as Rama and Krishna. The gurudwaras, or Sikh temples, have always been decorated with pictures of Hindu devas and devis.
They were shown as servent of Akal and hense the verbal manifestation of Guru Granth Sahib and that is thier proper place but tell how many books says that devi and devas were Hindu or say living in India,say Shiv Ji could be a Tibbetian or say Vishnu could be alien due to staying in other world.


If the Guru Granth Sahib were to be examined, there is no difference between Hinduism and Sikhism because the Granth is based on the Hindu scriptures and beliefs.
So Hindus are told to be dumb and blind in same and Six Philsophis of Hindus are rejected.


(Khat Darshan)


An authority on modern Sikhism, Dr. Gopal Singh, indicated in his translation of Shri Guru Granth Sahib that the worship of Rama and Krishna is found in the Granth.
Das can tranlate Ram Charitar Manas as worshipping of Akal and not Lord Rama.
Guru Gobind Singh describes in the Dasma Granth how Akal (God) had expanded Himself to first become Vishnu, then Brahma and Shiva. This is described in the Vichitra Natak.
Akal also been told in insect and in poor also in same Dranth so thats what is status of Three gods for Sikhs.They are made to serve Humans and not to be worshipped.
The Guru then goes on to describe the characteristics of Vishnu
vishnu is attribute of ouor God and not areal entity..
He also goes on to discuss the origins of gods, demons, Garuda and other beings in the same manner as Vedvyas did before.

Vedvysa also worshipped the Gods of Sikhs and was no where near Hindus.



The Tenth Guru then goes so far to claim his own origin from Lord Rama and His descendants.
Just to let Hindus also renuonce the wroship of Ram and Became Sikh of Akal as family of Rama has also has termed Rama as insect in front of true God Akal.


Most people of the Punjab know that the city of Lahore was built by the elder son of Rama, Luv, while the city of Kasur was built by Kush, the younger son.
So why do not Hindu recalim it back.

Very shamefull to them.


A powerful point can be made here in that Guru Gobind Singh states Guru Nanak as being a descendant of Kush, while himself (Guru Gobind) is a descendant of Luv. Guru Gobind describes the genealogy in great detail and tells how this came to be so.
Just to show that Rama shouold not be woprshipped by others as his family took refuge to Akal.
Except for Guru Angad and Guru Amardas, the eight remaining Gurus were recognized as descendants of Lord Rama, whether it is because of devotion or respect, this view is held by both Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs.
It strang that two were left out by you but thing here is that linage does not matter in us at all as many decdants of Gurus like Minas,Dheerrmalyas and Ramrayas are not to be contacted and Son of Demon Prahlad is respected.

Spex of racial hinduism must be removed from eyes.
A further analysis of the Guru Granth, the Dasma Granth and Hindu scriptures will show that there is no difference between the philosophies they all convey.

So where is term of devotion been attached to Vedantic God in any of your scripture before Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Had Vedanta OK then Gurmat would not have come.

Mere knowledge did not casue unity of mankind but casued didivsion so devotion also came in by Akal sending our Gurus.

See that Vedanta makes fun of rest Five Philosophys and was later to them.Nit older.


So why can not a newer faith Sikhism can come and which is maore like Islam .

It is more to do with development of sprituality with mind then any thing to narrow ideolgy.


The philosophy and devotion of Hindus belonging to the Shakti cult (Mother Goddess) can also be seen by Guru Gobind's monumental work "Var Durga Ki"

Where Durga is termed as Fromless.
which is revered by both Sikhs and Hindus.
Then Hindus should break the idol of Durga from their Temple to make it formless.Then only use of reverance.

The only conclusion that one can make is that there is no philosophical or cultural difference between the Hindus and Sikhs
.

Only conclusion is that to go with all contradiction is Hinduism and to remove all contradition is Sikhism.
It is only that Sikhism is a simplistic form of Hinduism and is separate from any other religion that could have influenced it during its evolution.

So Saying Rasool as Rasool,God As Allah and Holy Kuran as word of God and himself as idol braker as per Islamic term by Tenth Master yet shamelessly calling as one stranege thing.

Guru Arjun, who compiled the Granth Sahib, writes in the fifth Granth "O God you are as great as you adopted the form of Vamana [fifth incarnation of Vishnu], you are also Ram Chandra [seventh incarnation of Vishnu] but you have no form or outline". This "no form or outline" concept can also be found in the Divine Manifestations, the tenth chapter of the Bhagavad Gita where Krishna states He has a form and is beyond form. Guru Arjun goes on to make references to Narsimha [fourth avatar], Warha [second avatar], Krishna [eight avatar] and Kach [third avatar
].


If it is in Gita Also then why did Hindus still go by false demi Gods and still tell us to follow the false hood.

In fact we actuly and practiacly follow Gita and if you be lie us then you coould actly follow Gita by actualy following Akal.

Incarnations are as false as any other creation be it Temple of Aydhya or Idol of Somnath,which was broken.and will bebroken again.
Guru Nanak makes specific references to Lord Rama and wrote several hymns about Lord Krishna. All throughout the Granth praises are specifically addressed to the avatars of Vishnu, particularly to Rama and Krishna.
Qoute them as das did not find even one verse telling us to wroship them,There are verse telling about Bad people,Muslims or semtic prophets but that does not means that Guru endrose them.
A very interesting observation of the literature is the occurrence and reference to the name "Bithal", which is found throughout the Granth. Bithal is the Punjabi version of the Marathi name "Vithal" which is another name for Lord Krishna.

It is used By Marathi speaking person who makes fun of Rama,Devi and Shiv(Devote Namdev and this Vithal verbly means who can take care of anyone but not the one who dies of the arrow of the hunter.
Hardyal Singh M.A., a famous Punjabi revolutionary during the time of the British Raj, said that "if you were to remove every page that contained the name of Bithal or Ram from the Granth, you will be left with nothing more than a few pages and the book case."

Removal of the text is more being dones in Hindus while they remove pages of Manu Samrit even without any attempt to understand it.

In past veseted interest misinterpreted it and in present they still go by worng interpetations.


The Guru Granth Sahib clearly states that Bithal is the Lord.
Lord Akal is real Bithal and not
KrishanaThe goal of Hindus and Sikhs alike is not to reach a heaven, because this achievement is only temporary, but to break the cycle of life and death in order to achieve moksha (salvation or nirvana). If one fails, they may have to repeat either one, some or all of their existences. This is not the view held by the other tradition that could have influenced Sikhism, namely Islam.

Here itself differance between Hindus and Sikhs is given.

Yes Hindus do attempt to act to get Moksha or Nirvana.

But Sikhs are told to not to aspire anything but surrneder to the will of God(I Do not want Kingdom,I Do not want Mukti,I ask for Love to lotus feet).


Acting good for result with intention(Kmana) is Hinduism.Acting as Tool of God is Gurmat.

When Tenth Master was sked about Diffreance between Hindus and Sikhs then he told that they work for reward and Sikh does not work himself/herself but behold God working insode and outiside(Sau Sakhi).

We folow Gita Better then Hindus.

Reference is made to the avatars of Vishnu in the Granth Sahib. There are ten major avatars referred to as the Dasha Avatars, there are fourteen minor avatars as well. All these avatars are recognized in the Guru Granth Sahib even if Hindus of different sects may not recognize them all.

Where is Rudra referede to as Vishnu Avtar?

Mehdi Meer who killes Kalki in which of Hindu book is it writtan?

And lastly Rishabhdev of Jain is respected in Hindus as Vishnu Avtar but Arhantdev is not beeing told to preach truth in our book.

And Vishnu is refred as becoming stone after copurese of feamle demon how can he be god(Triya Charitar266).
The Dasma Granth deals with all the avatars beginning on page 169.
Tells them to be working under the order of God of Sikhs like Sufi told them working for Allah.
Volume two of the Dasma Granth is exclusively based on Krishna.

Krishna been told begging to A Singh Kharag Singh.
It is accepted that Guru Gobind Singh was a staunch believer in Durga Mata (Mother Goddess) as many of his hymns such as 'Deh Vo Shiva' are directed towards Shiva (not the male god but his female consort also known as Shakti or Devi who at times is referred to by His name).

He refred Durga as Attribute of Akal.He told that Durga Devi was made by Akal(Nirnakar) and lives under Akal's feet and refuge.Even he said that actaul killer of Mahishsur was formless and not Durga.
In the entire Guru Granth Sahib, the Vedas are respected and referred to as sacred. Guru Gobind Singh states that the Vedas originated from Brahma and the path of the Vedas is the only path for the people to follow
:

So theroy of four Rishis by Swami Dayanand Ji is false.

But we actualy follow the God mentioned in Vedas but Hindus rather insult that by gooing after demi gods.
Chaupai 197 Brahma char he ved banaie Sarab lowg tih karam chale Brahma created the Vedas
This means that people at that time people did follow veda,such a wrong interpetation that past tense is made as simple present.

In fact with Guru Granth Sahib there is no need of Veda left or else it would not have come.



Guru Nanak also recited the famous aarti (song of worship) of Ek Omkar which he composed in praise of Lord Jaganath of Puri.
He rather oppsed the Arti of idol by small mater with eternal Arti of Akal being dome constantly.

How can be handless(called Lula by Nihung) Jaganath be Oankar,who created the universe.



He also went on pilgrimage to Badri Nath which is sacred to Hindus.
he went there to preach Sikhism to misguided people,Did went for pilgrimage to Holy Mecca then we are Muslims?


Guru Tegh Bahadur, tn pilgrimage to Jwalamukhi in Kangra.
He did not go to hills but did preach hill people to worship Akal.We wne tot Sufi places also,was he a Muslim?


Guru Gobind Singh worshipped Durga and fought the mughals to free Ayodhya Masjid (the controversial mosque of Ayodhya).
the date which is givne for Guru's coming to Aydhya is when Guru was not born or perhaps was in Patna.

In his Vachitar Natak he gives all details of his wars which were faouth more with Hindus.


A person who procalimes as Butshikan as per Islam(Jaffernammah),prays to desctrction of Devals(Ugrdanti) and you say that he worshipped Devi or fought for lord Ramah Temple.

Guru Ramdas wore a Vaishnav tilak on his forehead
.

tilak in Panth is of Saffron while Sindur or Chanden is used for Vaishnavs.

Guru Nanakdev had dress with Ayats of holy Kuran.

Swrod of Guru Gobind Singh Ji had Allah Ho Akbar writtan over it.
So what does it mean?

And why did Guru asked a Muslim Mia Meer to plac the foundation of Golden Temple and why did Sixthe Guru made mosque for Muslims.

Divine Descendance of Sikh Gurus
Sun Dynasty
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Sri Ram
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Laoo (Lavu)..........................Kashoo
(settled in lahore).................(settle in Kasoor)
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Kal Rai.............................Kal Ket
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Sodhis.................................Bedis
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Forth to Tenth Gurus....................First to Third Gurus
4. Guru Ram Das Ji......................1. Guru Nanak Dev Ji
5. Guru Arjan Dev Ji.....................2. Guru Angad Dev Ji
6. Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji............3. Guru Amar Das Ji
7. Guru Har Rai Ji..................................|
8. Guru Har Krishan Ji.............................|
9. Guru Teg Bahadur Ji...........................|
10.Guru Gobind Singh Ji..........................|
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Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
another absud thing.

Same Vachitar Natak tells that devtas are not devine but people doing Good acts and Surya was man and not sun who started dynsty.
And from First Guru onward we had concept of Sabad Guru,Guru Panth(See teh verse by Sikhs form lower castes also in Guru Granth Sahib Ji ie Bhai Mardana,Satta,Balwand,Abdulla Bhatt perhaps) and all from Guru Bar Akal(Gur Prasad ie in the form of Guru(God) gives us teaching)
(
source: Sikhs and Hindus: A Common Heritage and Divine Descendance of Sikh Gurus).
***
Bharat Gupta, associate professor at Delhi University writes: "...in the 19th century Sikh separateness was redefined by the earlier British historians first and the Indians later. Sikhism was made to appear as a new religion, Anti Vedic, and a mixture of Indic-Islamic tenets, not based on philosophical tenets but on things like dress and food and architecture of Gurdwaaras and supposed rejection of caste. In this fabrication, the Khalsa has been fore grounded, almost equated with all Sikhism, and the Naamdhaaris, Nirankaaris, and such denominations of the Sikh tradition have been ignored, even persecuted"
***

so AR Darshi speaks about demon like attributes by ancestors of Hindus and hated by Iranians for that.

Anyway do you know that Nirnakaris did abused cows and Namdharis term Hindus as per thier sau Sakhi to be elimniated soon.

And Jaffernammah part of Dasham Granth is here before Britishers came.

As Hindus were misusing Sikhism under Ranjit Singh it is possible that Purbiya(East UP) convert did help Britishers to get rid of Hindu type Sikh rule.Same people later did help Professor Gurmukh Singh's Lahore Singh Sabha.
Japji Sahib is Based on the Upanishads - says Khuswant Singh
Did Upnishad mention Holy Bible and Holy Kuran.
Sikhs are kes-dhari [sporting unshorn hair] Hindus.
So all hindu Jatadhari Sadhu weather comit Adultary,eat Hala or smoke are Sikhs?
Their religious source is Hinduism. Sikhism is a tradition developed within Hinduism.
So tell about any of yoy book which talks about Hinduism as religeon or term Hindu as folowor of faith.We have term Sikh in same context witrh our books but you do not ahve any such thing yet such absurd cliams.


Guru Granth Sahib reflects Vedantic philosophy and Japji Sahib is based on the Upanishads.
This is another proof of lack of knowledge of own books.

Vedanta is refreance drwan by Upnishads while writer is thinking them in same line.

Even had it been OK then all other Puranas etc. could have been rejected.

But in Vedanta Bhakti does not exist but in us it does exist so are we differant.And also puting ideas in socity.
] Sikhism, like unity of God, casteless society, etc. were also preached by other Vaishnava bhaktas [saints}
of the time.
And also by Sufi Muslims and they did convert large population of Hindus into Islam in Kashmeer and Bengal and Sindh.
In the Encyclopedia Britannica Khuswant Singh has said that Sikhism is a tradition developed within Hinduism or an extension of the bhakti movement. Again, in The Wall Street Journal (Oct. 12, 2001) he states that Sikhism is a branch of Hinduism.

We have Khushwant Singh saying that at start of 21st centuary we will be absorbed by Hindus,did this happen but same person says that Dasham Granth is not the work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.Upto you to belive him or not.

(source: Japji Sahib is Based on the Upanishads - By Khuswant Singh - sikhtimes.com).
***
Sikhs and Hindus
Hindus are conditioned to regard Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism as "panths" or sects.
Equating Sikhs with Nastik or non belivers Anti Vedic Budhist or Jains itslef is disrespect to Sikh Panth and this shows that Dasham Granth is not properly read and Guru Granth Sahib but by the nway how can a race or regianl entiy called Hindu has areligeon as its sect is the biggest foolsoh thing to understand.






My folks told me that the elder son would become a Sikh while the younger remained Hindu;
As per present law in most democracy one son can be Chrsitain also.We had one Sikh praja Singh converted to Islam yet maintained in family(read book of Hari Ram Gupta)


that the Gurus were devotees of Ram and Krishna;
And made fun of them and more in Dasham Granth.


that the Marathi sant-poet Namdev's hymns are included in the Granth Sahib;

who put Hindus as blind and thier gods as inferioor and part of Akal only

that, prior to the tenth Guru, there was no separate name for the followers of Guru Nanak and they were considered a part and parcel of Hinduism;
Wait term Sikh and Shishya was at the time of Vedas or say Santi Kabeer while term Hindu was givne by invaders as derogatroy term yet it was racial and how can race be a faith?

that Guru Gobind Singh gave the name "Sikh" to those who were willing to fight the tyranny of the Mughals.
And Guru Nanak said that those who behold Akal as Guru is Sikh and Saint Kabeer Called himself as Sikh of Akal.


I was taught that Hinduism is a generic name given to all the faiths which have roots in India and believe in Parmatma (God), Prarthana (prayer), Punerjanma (reincarnation), Purushartha (Karma) and Prani Daya (kindness to all living beings). Sikhism believes in all...
yuo are misguided as Hinduism is name given to justify salve mentality.

Derogatory name by oppressor and stillclinging better wouold ahve been using term Sanatan which is anti Hindu.
At a meeting in Bombay on August 19, 1964, Tara Singh declared,
"Sikhs and Hindus are not separate. Sikhs will survive only if Hindus survive.
So in Iran,Afghansitan and Pakistan there are mnay places where Hindus are no more But Sikhs lives and multiyply.
Sikhs are part and parcel of the Hindu Society.
Inspite of thier books calling Hindus with something inferior. and themselves considering this term derogatory strange?

Guru Govind Singhji brought in Gurumukhi the wisdom and philosophy from our scriptures and Puranas.
Das know that Since first Master did Gurmukhi being used and was organised by Second Master.

What about Hiqyats and Jaffernaamh in Faris ladden with Arebic?

Are we going to give up this heritage?
In sha Allah our Hertiage is oldere then Hinduism

In fact Hindus and Sikhs are not two separate communities.
Can same be said for Hindus and Christian perhaps no yet can some one say that Christian and Pakistani are not sepoarte comunities or Negro or Muslim are not spearte community,such things are absurd.
Name is Sikh and beard... Mona (non beard) Sikh and Sevak... That is all... Sikhs live if Hinduism exists.
So if Mon then Hindu and by Mona Hinduism lives and Sikh do not.Sikhs will live after Hindusin as they di before Hindusim.
If Sikhs live Hinduism lives. They are not two separate communities. They are one indeed. "
Like White race and Christianity or like Negroa and Islam or like Jews and Muslims?Are they one? no off course!
What are the roots of Sikhism...?
Here are some stanzas from the Gurus and the Guru Granth Saheb:
*

Do not misused the name of Guru Grtanh Sahib Ji.
Taha hum adhik tapasya sadhi / Mahakal kalika aradhi ~ Guru Gobind Singh.
(There I worshipped and did penance to seek Kali.)
*



There I with full concnertration did worship of Death of time while your Devi and Shiva are bounded by Time.Same Natak tells maker of Devi Three demigods being born out of feet(refuge) of Akal,who is formless.
Ram katha jug jug atal / Sab koi bhakhat net Suragbas Raghuver kara / Sagri puri samet Jo en Katha sune aur gaave / Dukh pap tah nikat na aave ~ Guru Gobind Singh
(The story of Ram is immortal and everyone should read it. Ram went to heaven along with the whole city. Whoever listens to or sings His story, will be free of sin and sorrow.)
It is ironly that at one place we say that Story of Rama is eternal for ages while Rama has left to hevan(not salvage)
And next line are Ram Raheem or Puran or Kuran not to be followed.

* Vedahun vidit dharma pracharyun / Gohat kalamka vishva nivaryun Sakal jagat mein Khalsa Panth gaajey / Jagey dharm Hindu sakal bhand bhajey ~ Guru Gobind Singh
(May I preach the Vedas to the whole mankind / May I remove the blot of cow-slaughter from the whole world / May the Khalsa Panth reign supreme / Long live Hinduism and falsehood perish).

First line has been interpolated by you.

Second line comes somewhere lese and tells to kill Cow by Jhatka some peple say that cow is refree to weak or cowards lie Hindus.

Then as Das told beofre when Panth Khalsa will come Hinduism ,the whole of mist will disappear.
* Kahaiya Hinduan daro na ab tum / Im likho pathon dil sain Guru Nanak ki gadi par / Ab hain Tegh Bahadur Unko jo Muhummadi kar lihoon / To ham hain sab sadar Arya Dharma rakhak pragatiyo hain ~ Guru Tegh Bahadur
(Hindus, do not fear, Guru Tegh Bahadur is Guru Nanak's successor. If Muslims bother you, I'll take care of them. For I am the protector of Hinduism.)
no wheere in the Bani of Ninth Master
As Hindu precives does write but is false.
* Tin te sun Siri Tegh Bahadur / Dharam nibaahan bikhe Bahadur Uttar bhaniyo, dharam hum Hindu / Atipriya ko kin karen nikandu Lok parlok ubhaya sukhani / Aan napahant yahi samani Mat mileen murakh mat loi / Ise tayage pramar soi Hindu dharam rakhe jag mahin / Tumre kare bin se it nahin ~ Guru Tegh Bahadur's reply to Aurangzeb's ordering him to embrace Islam.
(In response, Shri Tegh Bahadur says, My religion is Hindu and how can I abandon what is so dear to me? This religion helps you in this world and that, and only a fool would abandon it. God himself is the protector of this religion and no one can destroy it.)
Again not in Bani of ?Ninth Master


* Sakal jagat main Khalsa Panth gaje / Jage dharam Hindu sakal bhand bhaje ~ Guru Gobind Singh.
(The Khalsa sect will roar around the world. Hinduism will awaken, its enemies will flee).
It is like that ,in All world Relgeon or way of Khalsa will roar(make trimph).

Jage Dharam Hindun Sagal Dhundh Bhaje.

Rithousness will be awaken and all mist of Hindus will alsom disappear as (Dharm will bhe back in them and they will be no longer Hindus and will be Sikh)

another could be Hindus,who are mist(of flasehood) will run away or disappear.

And lastly das noted that you did not Give even a one verse from Guru Granth Sahib Ji while leied above that qoutes are from Guru Granth Sahib Ji
shame on you.
 

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Hey, I didn't write this stuff. The Orignal message instructing you to "let me know what you think" was perhaps misleading- I was being ironic. I know it's disgusting.
 
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vijaydeepsingh,

You wrote : Stop lying. It is Jage Dharam,Hindu,Sakal Dhund Bhaje
ie let rightousness be awaken and let Hinduism which is all mist
be broken or fled.

Don't you think you put a comma where it ought not to be.
Jage Dharam Hindu,Sakal Dhund Bhaje...


And Guru Arjun’s statement, is superficially a crystal-clear expression
of Sikh separateness. Yet, it is not as straightforward as separatists
might wish. No Sikh Guru was ever a Muslim, ergo the half-sentence:
"Of Muslims have I broken free", does not mean that he abandoned Islam.
Therefore, the other half need not be construed as a repudiation of Hinduism either.
Nanks "neither Hindu, nor muslim" should be read as repudiating the whole
'identity' business including the division of mankind into Hindu and Muslim
categories, on the Upanishadic ground that the Self is beyond these superficial
trappings (the Self being neti neti, "not this, not that") and that is
a typically Hindu position.

Sikhism today is nothing more than religion overtaken by Jats. If somebody says
Jats do not have any bias/superierioty complex against some other communities
I'll cut my head. Now I have grown superiority complex against over jat sikhs
coz while we Sikh are one of most richest/enterprising people around world
the Jat is nothing more than Taxi Cab community. And they say they are Aryans.
Because they are fair. The Afghani's are fair. Kashmiri's. Arabs.
What is their achievement ??
Is not the Aryan race itself a myth ??

Thanks.
 

J.A.T.T

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bulleshah said:
vijaydeepsingh,

You wrote : Stop lying. It is Jage Dharam,Hindu,Sakal Dhund Bhaje
ie let rightousness be awaken and let Hinduism which is all mist
be broken or fled.

Don't you think you put a comma where it ought not to be.
Jage Dharam Hindu,Sakal Dhund Bhaje...


And Guru Arjun’s statement, is superficially a crystal-clear expression
of Sikh separateness. Yet, it is not as straightforward as separatists
might wish. No Sikh Guru was ever a Muslim, ergo the half-sentence:
"Of Muslims have I broken free", does not mean that he abandoned Islam.
Therefore, the other half need not be construed as a repudiation of Hinduism either.
Nanks "neither Hindu, nor muslim" should be read as repudiating the whole
'identity' business including the division of mankind into Hindu and Muslim
categories, on the Upanishadic ground that the Self is beyond these superficial
trappings (the Self being neti neti, "not this, not that") and that is
a typically Hindu position.

Sikhism today is nothing more than religion overtaken by Jats. If somebody says
Jats do not have any bias/superierioty complex against some other communities
I'll cut my head. Now I have grown superiority complex against over jat sikhs
coz while we Sikh are one of most richest/enterprising people around world
the Jat is nothing more than Taxi Cab community. And they say they are Aryans.
Because they are fair. The Afghani's are fair. Kashmiri's. Arabs.
What is their achievement ??
Is not the Aryan race itself a myth ??

Thanks.
I like to make two points here:

1.) Jats don't say they are Aryans. Most Jats claim to come from Indo-Scythian stock.

2.) Come to Canada and see how well the Jat-Sikhs are doing there.

FACT: One of the world's richest Sikh is a Jat. (His name is Didar Singh Bains)
 

J.A.T.T

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Bindy_Bains said:
yawwww, another "jatt" blowing his trumpet, we DON'T GIVE A **** about how you are doing... there said it.:u):

just go about with your business and leave the rest of usalone.

:u): :u): :u): :u): :u): :u):
Well, my comment was directed towards to "bulleshah" who made a statement about jatts being a "taxi cab" community (He/She obviously meant this in offensive way).

But yeah, I don't give a **** about y'all as well.
 
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J.A.T.T said:
Well, my comment was directed towards to "bulleshah" who made a statement about jatts being a "taxi cab" community (He/She obviously meant this in offensive well).

But yeah, I don't give a **** about y'all as well.
so i guess we all agree with each than...

:rofl:
 

J.A.T.T

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Bindy_Bains said:
BTw, i wantedto know, where the name bains came from, i'm going to *gulp* be changing my user name soon to a more "proper" name. I just wanted to know what it meant.
To be honest with you, I don’t have any knowledge about “Bains” and their history.
 
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bulleshah said:
vijaydeepsingh,

You wrote : Stop lying. It is Jage Dharam,Hindu,Sakal Dhund Bhaje
ie let rightousness be awaken and let Hinduism which is all mist
be broken or fled.

Don't you think you put a comma where it ought not to be.
Jage Dharam Hindu,Sakal Dhund Bhaje...


And Guru Arjun’s statement, is superficially a crystal-clear expression
of Sikh separateness. Yet, it is not as straightforward as separatists
might wish. No Sikh Guru was ever a Muslim, ergo the half-sentence:
"Of Muslims have I broken free", does not mean that he abandoned Islam.
Therefore, the other half need not be construed as a repudiation of Hinduism either.
Nanks "neither Hindu, nor muslim" should be read as repudiating the whole
'identity' business including the division of mankind into Hindu and Muslim
categories, on the Upanishadic ground that the Self is beyond these superficial
trappings (the Self being neti neti, "not this, not that") and that is
a typically Hindu position.

Sikhism today is nothing more than religion overtaken by Jats. If somebody says
Jats do not have any bias/superierioty complex against some other communities
I'll cut my head. Now I have grown superiority complex against over jat sikhs
coz while we Sikh are one of most richest/enterprising people around world
the Jat is nothing more than Taxi Cab community. And they say they are Aryans.
Because they are fair. The Afghani's are fair. Kashmiri's. Arabs.
What is their achievement ??
Is not the Aryan race itself a myth ??

Thanks.

Well bro have you read Ugradanti?

If not then there is no need for you to tell das about what to write.

It is not the part of offical version of Dasham Granth but one from Patna Sahib and is read by Nihangs and Namdhari each morning.

It is prayer said to be by Guru to Akal(energy Amit Ouj) manifesation in time ie Power(Shakti).

There worshipper prays for destrcution of Temples and mosques.

As per writer, All old faith are already elminated so are Vedas and Kurans.

Prayer is made for destruction of all the worshipped things who are born or will die.
AND LET THIRD FAITH REMAIN IE KHALSA.

Then coming to Upnishad or vedantic concept.That is from Lord Ved Vysa but similar things are full in Islamic and older Semtic books also and much more clearer.And Gurmat puts something theoratical concpet of Vedanta in real life else Vedanta would not hve been looser to Karm Yogi Muslims.

Muslims have fairer chance to prove first Master as Muslim then say Hindus.But thing is that we as Sanatan Dharmi Sikh do belive that all books and holy men from same source ie Akal.

This also wrong to be biased for jatts what you cal jaat as Takhats outside Punjab are more in control of trade men.Das can say that there could be some problem in punajb with sgpce but in AKJ or Sant Samaj or say Nihungs caste is getting weaker.

In fact caste is anti to Sanatan Dharmi scripture of Vedas and Manusamriti also.So Aryan is more a civilised person then race and jaat could be more a farmer then race.

Hindu is a racial or geogrphical term so no place in universal faith of Gurmat,which das says with support of Jathedar of Patna Sahib that is Sanatan Dharma,ie ancestors of all mankind were Sikhs.all other faiths are mere offshoots.

Faith not started by First Master but by Akal and Brham,Vishnu and Mahesha were initial Three Sikhs,and we get our linage from them only.
 
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J.A.T.T said:
I don't give a **** about y'all as well.
J.A.T.T-ji,

Nice to know you don't care but then why provide proof of your being civilized
by mentioning that rich jatt you are so proud as if his riches are coming to you
after his death ??

Mittal is the richest Britanian but what does it mean for me. Nothing.
Despite the fact he still carries his Indian Passport...

Forget it...

OK...

"I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.
I serve the One Lord, and not any other. || 2 || I do not perform Hindu worship
services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. I have taken the One Formless Lord
into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. || 3 || I am not a Hindu, nor am I
a Muslim. My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both."
- Guru Granth Sahib (Page 1136)

Now what's so gret about that. I mean saying something that was already said
by hundreds of people before.

The Rig Veda says :
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti".[/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif](There is only one truth, only men describe it in different ways).[/FONT]

There you are and further...

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"The Divine Thread started everything.
The knower of the Thread is a yogi, his Knowledge is beyond the scope of the Vedas.
Pearls stringed together form an ornament. The Divine Thread holds together the Universe.
The Yogi wears this Thread when he becomes aware of his Divinity.
Established in highest state of Yoga, the yogi discards the external thread.
The wearer of the Thread of Knowledge is never unclean. The Thread exists within him.
Knowledge is the greatest purifier." [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]- - - [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Brahma Upanishad - - -[/FONT]

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"The misguided ones who delight in the melodious chanting of the
Veda - without understanding the real purpose of the Vedas - think,
O Arjuna, as if there is nothing else in the Vedas except the rituals
for the sole purpose of obtaining heavenly enjoyment."
- - - 2.42 - The Geeta - - -[/FONT]

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"To a Self-realized person the Vedas are as useful as a small reservoir of
water when the water of a huge lake becomes available." [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]
- - - 2.46 - The Geeta - - -

There is nothing new in that shloka of Nanak. His principles are very much
and decidedly Hindu and Bedic.

Thanks.

Maade jatt katori labbi paani pee pee aaphar gaya[/FONT][/FONT]
 
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Das will write the verse of Ugradanti Again

Jagge Dharam Hindun(Read it is not Hindu but hindun ie Plural) Sagal Dhund Bhaje.


Dharm/rithouness or faith can not be Hindus but had to be Hinduwhy plural.This may mean Let the faith/righusness of Hindus be awaken and all mist be runn off.
or Let Faith be awaken and Hindus all mist be broken or run away.

Das wants you to learn Braj Bhash or Sanskrit and for that Chetan Mathh of Nirmalas can be of some help.But do not go to Gurukul Kangari as they rape the Salishti Karan of verse .Salishti Karan is a sort of Alankar or ornament,where same line may means two differnt meaning for differnt people or coded langauge.
holy Vedas also have various hiiden scinfic truth which Gurbani has in that claerly.

Same can be said for Four holy Semtic Books.
 

J.A.T.T

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bulleshah said:
J.A.T.T-ji,

Nice to know you don't care but then why provide proof of your being civilized
by mentioning that rich jatt you are so proud as if his riches are coming to you
after his death ??

Mittal is the richest Britanian but what does it mean for me. Nothing.
Despite the fact he still carries his Indian Passport...

Forget it...

OK...

"I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.
I serve the One Lord, and not any other. || 2 || I do not perform Hindu worship
services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. I have taken the One Formless Lord
into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. || 3 || I am not a Hindu, nor am I
a Muslim. My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both."
- Guru Granth Sahib (Page 1136)

Now what's so gret about that. I mean saying something that was already said
by hundreds of people before.

The Rig Veda says :
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti".[/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif](There is only one truth, only men describe it in different ways).[/FONT]

There you are and further...

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"The Divine Thread started everything.
The knower of the Thread is a yogi, his Knowledge is beyond the scope of the Vedas.
Pearls stringed together form an ornament. The Divine Thread holds together the Universe.
The Yogi wears this Thread when he becomes aware of his Divinity.
Established in highest state of Yoga, the yogi discards the external thread.
The wearer of the Thread of Knowledge is never unclean. The Thread exists within him.
Knowledge is the greatest purifier." [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]- - - [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Brahma Upanishad - - -[/FONT]

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"The misguided ones who delight in the melodious chanting of the
Veda - without understanding the real purpose of the Vedas - think,
O Arjuna, as if there is nothing else in the Vedas except the rituals
for the sole purpose of obtaining heavenly enjoyment."
- - - 2.42 - The Geeta - - -[/FONT]

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"To a Self-realized person the Vedas are as useful as a small reservoir of
water when the water of a huge lake becomes available." [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]
- - - 2.46 - The Geeta - - -

There is nothing new in that shloka of Nanak. His principles are very much
and decidedly Hindu and Bedic.

Thanks.

Maade jatt katori labbi paani pee pee aaphar gaya[/FONT][/FONT]
1. Don’t take my “I don’t give ****” comment seriously. It was suppose to be a joke, but if I offended you (or anybody else) I apologize for my comment.

2. The reason why made the Jatt comment because you claim Jatts are just a “taxi cab” community which is not accurate at all. Now I can easily ask you why should it matter how successful Sikhs are in the world as well. (You made a comment about how Sikhs are one of most richest/enterprising people around world while the Jat is nothing more than Taxi Cab community.)

3. As for quote I have in my signature, well the reason why I posted that quote in my signature because I have seen a lot of topics on this site regarding if Sikhi is another sect of Hinduism or Islam. So make it clear, Sikhi is not part of Hinduism or Islam according to the Guru Granth Sahib. That’s why I find the quote to be so great to me.

4. I can easily claim that Guru Nanak Ji got his messages/principals from Sufis as well.

Anyway, while you are at it, why not make claims of other Holy men/prophets getting their principles from the Vedas? They all pretty much preach the same or at least similar principle/message. So does this mean that their principles are very much and decidedly Hindu and Bedic as well?
 
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J.A.T.T,

HTML:
"I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.
I serve the One Lord, and not any other. || 2 || I do not perform Hindu worship
services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. I have taken the One Formless Lord
into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. || 3 || I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.
My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both."
- Guru Granth Sahib (Page 1136)
I do not waste time making pilgrimage to Pakistan(Nanakana-Ji), nor do I worship
at Stone buildings built by NRI money. I serve the One Lord, and not any other.
I do not perform Hindu worship services, not the Muslim prayers and not even
Ardas/ek-om-akar-sat-naam etc. like a parrot prompted by other parrots.
I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there
(in my heart). I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim, not a Sikh. My body and breath
of life belong to Allah - to Raam - to Wahe Guru - the God of all.

Thanks.
 

drkhalsa

SPNer
Sep 16, 2004
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Now what's so gret about that. I mean saying something that was already said
by hundreds of people before.

The Rig Veda says :
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti".[/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif](There is only one truth, only men describe it in different ways).[/FONT]

There you are and further...

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"The Divine Thread started everything.
The knower of the Thread is a yogi, his Knowledge is beyond the scope of the Vedas.
Pearls stringed together form an ornament. The Divine Thread holds together the Universe.
The Yogi wears this Thread when he becomes aware of his Divinity.
Established in highest state of Yoga, the yogi discards the external thread.
The wearer of the Thread of Knowledge is never unclean. The Thread exists within him.
Knowledge is the greatest purifier." [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]- - - [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Brahma Upanishad - - -[/FONT]

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"The misguided ones who delight in the melodious chanting of the
Veda - without understanding the real purpose of the Vedas - think,
O Arjuna, as if there is nothing else in the Vedas except the rituals
for the sole purpose of obtaining heavenly enjoyment."
- - - 2.42 - The Geeta - - -[/FONT]

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"To a Self-realized person the Vedas are as useful as a small reservoir of
water when the water of a huge lake becomes available." [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]
- - - 2.46 - The Geeta - - -

There is nothing new in that shloka of Nanak. His principles are very much
and decidedly Hindu and Bedic.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif][FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]

Dear Friend ,[/FONT][/FONT]


well so are rreally great thinker and solved the riddle for us all that everything was already written then what was the need to Write again by the great Baba Guru Nanak Dev Ji
well the reason I can think is already written By Graet Bhagat Namdev ji he writes


ihMdU AMn@w qurkU kwxw ]
hi(n)dhoo a(n)nhaa thurakoo kaanaa ||
The Hindu is sightless; the Muslim has only one eye.

Well may Hindu was blind enough mentally to really read the message in vedas so He sent he came down to open eyes of hindu give the other eye to Muslim .


well he has also written some other interesting that might help you to start see again Best of luck!


here it is for your reference


iblwvlu goNf ]
bilaaval go(n)add ||
Bilaaval Gond:

Awju nwmy bITlu dyiKAw mUrK ko smJwaU ry ] rhwau ]
aaj naamae beet(h)al dhaekhiaa moorakh ko samajhaaoo rae || rehaao ||
Today, Naam Dayv saw the Lord, and so I will instruct the ignorant. ||Pause||

pWfy qumrI gwieqRI loDy kw Kyqu KwqI QI ]
paa(n)ddae thumaree gaaeithree lodhhae kaa khaeth khaathee thhee ||
O Pandit, O religious scholar, your Gayatri was grazing in the fields.

lY kir Tygw tgrI qorI lWgq lWgq jwqI QI ]1]
lai kar t(h)aegaa ttagaree thoree laa(n)gath laa(n)gath jaathee thhee ||1||
Taking a stick, the farmer broke its leg, and now it walks with a limp. ||1||

pWfy qumrw mhwdyau Dauly bld ciVAw Awvqu dyiKAw Qw ]
paa(n)ddae thumaraa mehaadhaeo dhhoulae baladh charriaa aavath dhaekhiaa thhaa ||
O Pandit, I saw your great god Shiva, riding along on a white bull.

modI ky Gr Kwxw pwkw vw kw lVkw mwirAw Qw ]2]
modhee kae ghar khaanaa paakaa vaa kaa larrakaa maariaa thhaa ||2||
In the merchant's house, a banquet was prepared for him - he killed the merchant's son. ||2||

pWfy qumrw rwmcMdu so BI Awvqu dyiKAw Qw ]
paa(n)ddae thumaraa raamacha(n)dh so bhee aavath dhaekhiaa thhaa ||
O Pandit, I saw your Raam Chand coming too

rwvn syqI srbr hoeI Gr kI joie gvweI QI ]3]
raavan saethee sarabar hoee ghar kee joe gavaaee thhee ||3||
; he lost his wife, fighting a war against Raawan. ||3||

ihMdU AMn@w qurkU kwxw ]
hi(n)dhoo a(n)nhaa thurakoo kaanaa ||
The Hindu is sightless; the Muslim has only one eye.

duhW qy igAwnI isAwxw ]
dhuhaa(n) thae giaanee siaanaa ||
The spiritual teacher is wiser than both of them.

ihMdU pUjY dyhurw muslmwxu msIiq ]
hi(n)dhoo poojai dhaehuraa musalamaan maseeth ||
The Hindu worships at the temple, the Muslim at the mosque.

nwmy soeI syivAw jh dyhurw n msIiq ]4]3]7]
naamae soee saeviaa jeh dhaehuraa n maseeth ||4||3||7||
Naam Dayv serves that Lord, who is not limited to either the temple or the mosque. ||4||3||7||






Jatinder Singh
 

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