Firstly, I want to thank you for crediting the author Anthony de Mello unlike many other times you repeatedly quoted the authors but did not give them credit. Kant comes to mind whom you quoted many times but no credit was given.Good morning Harkiran - hope you're well !
".......the shortest distance between a human being and Truth is a story.' "
-- Anthony de Mello. Check out the one below and make connection if you will.
According to your above claim, Ik Ong Kaar talks, which means he/she/it is a Deity and had an interaction with Guru Nanak. This is an Abrahamic school of thought which you are quite delved into as per your posts on SPN.When Nanak met God [Sultanpur Lodhi - Parmeshar ki dargah, meaning god's residence], God gave him nam daan [amrit] with which Nanak was to initiate the uninitiated and educate on the spiritual; remove them if you like, from the hold of the physical, mental and emotional aspects that otherwise are intrinsically fettering. A dialogue between God n Nanak ensued, went something like this :
God: is there something else I can give thee O Nanak ?
Nanak: yes me Lord
God: what would that be ?
God: why poverty ?
Nanak: for what thou hath given n charged me with O God, can only be held in a vessel [meaning body] that is free of the rich, fame and the authoritative human [pauri 38 of Jap Ji Sahib is to this end].
First you claim "God gave him nam daan [amrit]" but then you claimed "carries the spirit [amrit] within it"The relevance here HKR, is to show that whilst the physical body [matter] is no more than a vessel that carries the spirit [amrit] within it, experience of it can only be had NOW, whilst alive n kicking, for all else, including time, space, matter are no more than means to that end, "an experience". In other words, the body is a mean to an ultimate end, which is, an experience of the divine within. Just as a car is a mean to a destination so is the body a vehicle to reunite the separated soul with the true n absolute self, meaning, the spiritual self. The beauty n the immortality of the soul is that it is "alive eternally" , never dies, never born, it exists and is realised within the confines of this so called body, a human being.
Please post the whole Shabad with your own understanding of the one liner you posted above from page 775 of SGGS.HKR Ji - you're an advanced spiritual being, you have always been here [the spirit you], albeit, in different bodies, locations, and different time dimensions. Break free n make this thy final visit and merge permanently with the pure consciousness [Khalsa]. This is what Sikhism professes, consciousness surviving the death of the body and, it is through the practice of meditation [nam simran], which acts as a mean to enter the 4th state of the eternal conscious state of being, leaving behind as it were, the body....."jeevat maryia" [die whilst alive , p 775 SGGSJ]. It is fair to add that meditation is not the exclusive nor the only mean to a teleological enterprise, but a preferred, tested and recommended a doctrine within the meaning theological science of the soul.
Not quite the case.According to your above claim, Ik Ong Kaar talks, which means he/she/it is a Deity and had an interaction with Guru Nanak.
Allow me to say that Sikhi has no deity which you may or may not be aware of. Hence your self concocted dialogue has no Sikhi value but rather to the contrary.
Not quite.Ik Ong Kaar is not a deity but Creative Energy as per SGGS.
So you do admit that Sikhi has a deity as per your claim above. Well, I respect your opinion . Please post the whole shabad of that claim with your own understanding.Not quite the case.
The Supreme Being did have an interaction with with many individuals through out history.
Do you claim that they are real stories or parables in Hinduism in the above examples cited by you and used by our Gurus to deflate the myths which Hinduism is filled with, to the people who claimed them to be real because their honchos- The Pundits told them so?Kabir ji tells us about one such interaction that the Supreme Being had with Bhagat Prahlad ji, where he saved him by assuming a gruesome and frightening form and killing off the king who was about to kill Prahlaad ji
He says -
ਓਇ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਦੇਵਾਧਿ ਦੇਵ ॥ ਭਗਤਿ ਹੇਤਿ ਨਰਸਿੰਘ ਭੇਵ ॥
He is the Supreme Soul, the God of Gods. For His bhagat, He took the form of Narsingh, half man half lion.
ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਕੋ ਲਖੈ ਨ ਪਾਰ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਉਧਾਰੇ ਅਨਿਕ ਬਾਰ ॥੫॥੪॥
No one can understand His limits. He has saved Prahlaad many times.
I can post the whole shabad, but I think you know the story.
Even Bhagat Nam Dev ji describes an incident in Guru Granth Sahib, where God came to him to alleviate his troubles. He spoke about this as interaction between him and God. I can post the full shabad if you like.
Please elaborate the above? Does the above also claim the gods/godesses in Hinduism have multiple arms as a factual thing?1. This is a false dichotomy because a deity can be described as creative energy, for example how Mata Parvati ji is described in Shaktism.
I never said what you claim above. You may check my meaning of Mool Mantar here on SPN.2. I assume by Onkar you mean karta purakh / ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖ since Onkar vibration was caused by ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖ and I know from your previous posts that you translate ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖ as 'creative energy'.
However in Guru Granth Sahib ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖ does not mean "creative energy" exactly. ਕਰਤਾ - karta means creator, causal and ਪੁਰਖ - Purakh or Purush means - a conscious entity.
ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖ is a creative conscious entity, otherwise known as a deity.
Please post the whole shabads from Kabir and Guru Amar Das with your own understanding, so we can learn from it.This creative conscious entity, this deity, interacts with his devotees and even saves them as Bhagat Kabir ji and the even the Gurus like Guru Amar Das ji point out in their shabads.