Punjab Now A Land Of Bihari 'sardars'

kds1980

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Punjab now a land of Bihari 'sardars'-India-The Times of India
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LUDHIANA: The tenth and final Sikh teacher, Guru Gobind Singh, who was born in Bihar's capital Patna nearly 300 years ago, would have approved of this sociologial trend in contemporary Punjab.

The old advisory to people to adapt to the culture of the places they go to, 'When in Rome, do as Romans do', has been assimilated with gusto by the migrant population of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, in the "land of five rivers".

Indeed, with 'kara' around his wrist, long flowing beard, turban, and 'Singh' suffixed to his name, the 'bhaiyya' from the heartland has transformed into 'paaji' in Punjab.

In a study by Punjab Agricultural University's Department of Economics and Sociology — with a sample size of 240 migrants (120 local labourers and 120 farmers) — a whopping 81% of migrants reported a change in the language they speak, the food they eat and the clothes they wear. Pegged at more than 10 lakh in a city of about 50 lakh people, there is one migrant from UP or Bihar for every five Punjabi.

The study, carried out by Dr M S Sidhu, Dr A S Joshi and Inderpreet Kaur, employed something called a multi-stage sampling framework wherein samples were taken from districts, blocks and villages. It also zeroed in on local labourers and farmers for cross-references.

Interestingly, in similar studies in 1978-79 and 1983-84, 33% and 40% of migrant labourers had reported a noticeable change in their language. In the last survey, however, the change in language went up to 76%. Also, 84% of respondents reported a change of preference from the traditional favourite rice to wheat. Similarly, 88% had switched from dhoti to pyjama-kameez. Some went for the more comfortable 'lungi' even as the women folk made the sartorial switch from sari to salwar-kameez.

Like Ranjit Kumar, who calls himself Ranjit Singh these days, nearly 11% of people from Bihar and UP use Punjabi surnames. The 25-year-old, who came from Bihar to Sainian Bahurian village in Gurdaspur district to work in the farm of Mann Singh, is as much Punjabi as anybody around him.

Sukhram, too, is no exception. He came to Sunam in Sangrur from Purnea in Bihar, some 15 years ago to work for Mohinderpal Singh Dhindsa.

Now, with a beard and kara on his wrist, he is indistinguishable from the people around him in this nondescript
 

kds1980

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For intellectual its great,from the point of sikhism its great but for punjabi's its disaster.why because in democracy 1 person = 1 vote and in india the population of uttar pradeshi's and bihar's is increasing very rapidly and these states are backward so these people are migrating to other parts of india and thus creating a votebank for their politicians as a result the original communities will loose their majority status.

Net result voilence against these people are increasing all over india.
 

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so Hitler giving example of Mussolini or Franco as excuse is a great idea in your opinion?
 

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migration is a hard truth.

people have to accept it
i never said "you" are hitler..i was merely giving an analogy :)
 

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Punjab now a land of Bihari 'sardars'-India-The Times of India
_______

LUDHIANA: The tenth and final Sikh teacher, Guru Gobind Singh, who was born in Bihar's capital Patna nearly 300 years ago, would have approved of this sociologial trend in contemporary Punjab.

The old advisory to people to adapt to the culture of the places they go to, 'When in Rome, do as Romans do', has been assimilated with gusto by the migrant population of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, in the "land of five rivers".

Indeed, with 'kara' around his wrist, long flowing beard, turban, and 'Singh' suffixed to his name, the 'bhaiyya' from the heartland has transformed into 'paaji' in Punjab.

In a study by Punjab Agricultural University's Department of Economics and Sociology — with a sample size of 240 migrants (120 local labourers and 120 farmers) — a whopping 81% of migrants reported a change in the language they speak, the food they eat and the clothes they wear. Pegged at more than 10 lakh in a city of about 50 lakh people, there is one migrant from UP or Bihar for every five Punjabi.

The study, carried out by Dr M S Sidhu, Dr A S Joshi and Inderpreet Kaur, employed something called a multi-stage sampling framework wherein samples were taken from districts, blocks and villages. It also zeroed in on local labourers and farmers for cross-references.

Interestingly, in similar studies in 1978-79 and 1983-84, 33% and 40% of migrant labourers had reported a noticeable change in their language. In the last survey, however, the change in language went up to 76%. Also, 84% of respondents reported a change of preference from the traditional favourite rice to wheat. Similarly, 88% had switched from dhoti to pyjama-kameez. Some went for the more comfortable 'lungi' even as the women folk made the sartorial switch from sari to salwar-kameez.

Like Ranjit Kumar, who calls himself Ranjit Singh these days, nearly 11% of people from Bihar and UP use Punjabi surnames. The 25-year-old, who came from Bihar to Sainian Bahurian village in Gurdaspur district to work in the farm of Mann Singh, is as much Punjabi as anybody around him.

Sukhram, too, is no exception. He came to Sunam in Sangrur from Purnea in Bihar, some 15 years ago to work for Mohinderpal Singh Dhindsa.

Now, with a beard and kara on his wrist, he is indistinguishable from the people around him in this nondescript

The reasons why Punjabi's are so dynamic is because they are a mixture of many difefrent people. This is just a continuation of that. Look at the original Panj Pyarey......how many were actually from Punjab and you will have your answer.

These Bihari guys will become more and more punjabified over time.........the one's I meet absolutely low the culture and food...........tehy should be welcomed as they are hardworking and can only make Punjab more dynamic. The plus side too is many more Sikh converts!:D
 

kds1980

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The reasons why Punjabi's are so dynamic is because they are a mixture of many difefrent people. This is just a continuation of that. Look at the original Panj Pyarey......how many were actually from Punjab and you will have your answer.

These Bihari guys will become more and more punjabified over time.........the one's I meet absolutely low the culture and food...........tehy should be welcomed as they are hardworking and can only make Punjab more dynamic. The plus side too is many more Sikh converts!:D

I already said that from the point of view sikhism its very good but do you think that jatts
and other ethinic communities that are ruling punjab want's to loose their domination over punjab.
 
I already said that from the point of view sikhism its very good but do you think that jatts
and other ethinic communities that are ruling punjab want's to loose their domination over punjab.


jatts are the very people who are responsible for the mass migration of farm workers into punjab. if they would work their own land rather than hiring landless biharis to do it for them, you would not have so many immigrants in the first place.

just my outsiders opinion. :)
 

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and who thinks that Jatts are native to punjab...aparently they too migrated from somewhere...and so did someone else...

whole world is a melting pot..

the earlier timelines of 5 generations rule of migrant assimilation is now just one or two..

and with a lot of people hopping countries every year...where do they belong?????
 

kds1980

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and who thinks that Jatts are native to punjab...aparently they too migrated from somewhere...and so did someone else...

whole world is a melting pot..

the earlier timelines of 5 generations rule of migrant assimilation is now just one or two..

and with a lot of people hopping countries every year...where do they belong?????

Despite similarity in everything jatts,khatri,ramgarhia ramdasia have differences. punjabi's still don't accept intercaste marriages.If you beleive that punjabi's will accept gladly bihari's then i too beleive that one day sun will rise from west.
 

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does marriages only means acceptance?

there are stages of migrant assimilation -

recognition - people start recognizing the presence of te migrant community in their day to day life and social fabric. It may be positive or negative. Generally lasts less than a generation period(20-30 years)

Cautious acceptance - Historically this has been the 2nd/3rd generation, but with the fluid movement of people around the world...this stage is shrinking fast.

Acceptance - The migrant is considered one of their own, but they may still retain an invisible wall...this is hardest stage to break. It requires effort from both sides.


assimilation - this takes quite sometime...

now coming back to intercaste marriages and acceptance.... i think this is the invisible wall....but this doesnot mean that all the castes donot get accepted as punjabis.
 

kds1980

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does marriages only means acceptance?

there are stages of migrant assimilation -

recognition - people start recognizing the presence of te migrant community in their day to day life and social fabric. It may be positive or negative. Generally lasts less than a generation period(20-30 years)

Cautious acceptance - Historically this has been the 2nd/3rd generation, but with the fluid movement of people around the world...this stage is shrinking fast.

Acceptance - The migrant is considered one of their own, but they may still retain an invisible wall...this is hardest stage to break. It requires effort from both sides.


assimilation - this takes quite sometime...

now coming back to intercaste marriages and acceptance.... i think this is the invisible wall....but this doesnot mean that all the castes donot get accepted as punjabis.

You are right marriage is not the only means of acceptance.But fear of losing domination over land is much more than accepting intercaste marriage.O.K. tell is it possible for non jatt punjabi's to rule punjab.On another site 1 jatt sikh told me that to be a politician in jatt majority area you have to be jatt in punjab.And this is not the case of with jatts only
do you think that if bihari's start migrating to tamil nadu in large numbers,then karunanidhi and his bunch of dmk will accept their presence.

If you beleive that non acceptance of migrants is asociated with nazism then each and every regional politician ofworld is nazi.
 

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