Nanak Is The Guru, Nanak Is The Lord Himself

[Sikh80]

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Guru Nanak Dev ji cannot be the Primal Lord or the creator.The title Of this thread was changed from 'Is It so.......???" to the present Title that 'Nanak was the guru and Nanak was the Lord/creator'. It is totally against the sikhi philosphy.

I do not know the reason of Changing the thread name. No intimation was sent to the starter Of the thread.

The name Of the thread should be made as was when initiated so that misinterpretation is avoided. The title and the content Of the thread are not in sync.

It is not known how to add new post. It generates an automerged double post.

 

[Sikh80]

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gurunwnku nwnku hir soie ]4]7]9] (864-19, goNf, mÚ 5)
Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself. ||4||7||9||

The thread was made to rest for few days on account of the fact that whenever I wanted to write the message box used to get merged with the previous one and showed the post as 'automated doublepost..I am sorry for this.
I have re-initiated the post .Was he really A God/Is Nanak -1 really a god.?
gur nwnk dyv goivMd rUp ]8]1] (1192-13, bsMqu, mÚ 5)
Guru Nanak Dayv is the Embodiment of the Lord of the Universe. ||8||1||

 

[spnadmin]

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Sikh 80 ji

I can take a look back and see when the title was changed. But to clear up a little confusion. When a thread is modified, usually but not always, it is moved first to the Leaders Lounge, where mods will discuss the best way to proceed. Usually a change happens in a day or two. But when the thread is moved it has a double life because now it is in Leaders and it is out in the forum too.

So you can still add to the thread.

The only time this wouldn't be so is when a thread is so controversial that mods have to discuss what to do about it. Then the thread may be taken out of circulation for a time.

If you want to learn how to delete your own post let one of us know and we can tell you how. No apology needed.

 

[Astroboy]

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Sikh80 ji,

Aman Singh Ji - Administrator of SPN - left you a note in the thread Understanding Gurbani - 4. If you're finding difficulty finding the thread, try this title :
Great peace and contentment come through the Guru's Word
It would be beneficial to you and all visitors to read your contributions in context of a relevant title.

 

[Sikh80]

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Hi Namjap ji,

Yes, I have many questions to ask about Gurbani.I shall begin soon. Hope you shall atend alongwith aad ji.

 

[AmbarDhara]

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Excerpt from the book "LIVING REALITY - Questions and Answers about life, under the guidance of The Siri Guru Granth Sahib" by Bibiji Inderjit Kaur Khalsa, Ph.D
Guru is a teacher or enlightener. One who brings from dark to light. Guru is an idea or and institution, not a person. However, a person can attain this level of clarity of reality. The Guru
GURU, a spiritual guide or preceptor. The term, long used in the Indian religious tradition, has a special connotation in the Sikh system. The Sikh faith itself signifies discipleship, the word sikh (sisya in Sanskrit and sissa or sekha in Pali) meaning pupil or learner. The concept of Guru, the teacher or enlightener, is thus central to Sikhism.

The Guru, according to Sikh belief, is the vital link in man’s spiritual progress. He is the teacher who shows the way. He is not an intercessor, but exemplar and guide. He is no avatar or God’s incarnation, but it is through him that God instructs men. He is the perfectly realized soul; at the same time, he is capable of leading the believers to the highest state of spiritual enlightenment. The Guru has been called the ladder, the rowboat by means of which one reaches God. He is the revealer of God’s word. Through him God’s word, sabda, enters human history. The Guru is the voice of God, the Divine self-revelation. Man turns to the Guru for instruction because of his wisdom and his moral piety. He indicates the path to liberation. It is the Guru who brings the love and nature of God to the believer. It is he who brings that grace of God by which haumai or egoity is mastered. The Guru is witness to God’s love of His creation. He is God’s hukam, i.e. Will, made concrete.

A special figure is employed to describe the transference of the Guruship in the Sikh tradition. This figure helps us understand the true nature of Guru. The Guruship passes from one Guru to the other as one candle lights another. Thus the real Guru is God, for He is the source of all light. It is clear that the Guru is not to be confused with the human form (the unlit body). In the Sikh faith which originated in Guru Nanak’s revelation, Ten Gurus held the office. In Sikhism the word Guru is used only for the ten spiritual prophets — Guru Nanak to Guru Gobind Singh, and for none other. Now this office of Guru is fulfilled by the Guru Granth Sahib, the Sacred Book, which was so apotheosized by Guru Gobind Singh.

Various connotations of guru have been given based on different etymological interpretations. One generally accepted in Sikhism is that derived from the syllable gu standing for darkness and ru for its removal. Thus guru is he who banishes the darkness of ignorance. According to Sikh belief, guidance of the guru is essential for one’s spiritual enlightenment.

No particular text dealing with the concept of guru is found in the Sikh Scripture, though scattered references abound. They are often figurative and symbolic but are fully expressive of the pre-eminence accorded to the guru. He has been called a tirtha, place of holy pilgrimage, i.e. purifier; a khevat, the boatman who rows one across the ocean of worldliness; a sarovar, a lake where swans, i.e. holy saints, dwell and pick up pearls of sacred wisdom for food; a samund, ocean which is churned for the gems, for his bani, or inspired word, is itself deep like the ocean and its wisdom can be brought out only after long meditation; a dipak, lamp which lights up the three worlds. In another comparison the Guru is called pilak, elephant controller, as he restrains the mind that is like a mad, romping elephant. He is called data, donor of wisdom; amritsar, the pool of ambrosia of the Name; a basith, one joining the seeker in union with God; joti, the light which illuminates the world. Other comparisons are anjan, collyrium, which sharpens the sight— a metaphor for the spiritual vision; sahjai da khet, the field of equipoise or equanimity; paharua, the watchman who drives away the five thieves, i.e. the five evils. He is sura, the hero whose sword of jnana or knowledge rends the veil of darkness and overcomes ignorance and wickedness, paras, philosopher’s stone which turns base metals into gold, for he transforms ordinary men into holy saints. There are numerous more comparisons.

The first stanza of Bhavan Akhari, one of Guru Arjan’s compositions in the Guru Granth Sahib, is a paean of glorification in honour of the Guru (Gurudev) in exalted classical style. Gurudev, i.e. the divinely inspired Master, is the mother, father; he is the Master and the Lord Supreme. He is friend, relative, brother. He confers on the seeker the name of the Supreme Being, i.e. the mantra, which is infallible. Gurudev is the touchstone which surpasses all paras. Gurudev is sacred tirath of the ambrosia of immortality, a bath wherein is a bath in jnana. Gurudev is the banisher of sins; he makes the impure pure. Gurudev has existed from beginning of the beginning, from the beginning of the ages and has lasted through all the yugas; i.e. his light is eternal. His teachings of the Name alone can save humanity (GG, 250).

The guidance of the guru is absolutely essential; no spiritual gain can accrue without the guru’s guidance. The view has been constantly reiterated in the Guru Granth Sahib:

Were there to rise a hundred moons, and a thousand suns besides,


Without the guru, it will still be pitch darkness


(GG, 463) ​

None other than the guru can give enlightenment,


Nor can happiness without him enter the heart


(GG, 650 ​

None has ever realized God, none at all, without the guru’s guidance,


declares Guru Nanak (GG, 466) ​

Using figurative language, it is pointed out that no blind man can find the path without the guru, as nobody can reach the housetop without the stairs and no one can cross the river without a boat. As says Guru Amar Das, he who remains without the Guru’s guidance is the rejected one (GG, 435).
What is gained if the guru’s compassion and guidance are available is thus elaborated:

By the holy preceptor’s grace is faith perfected;


By the holy preceptor’s grace is grief cancelled, By the holy preceptor’s grace is suffering annulled; By the holy preceptor’s grace is love of God enjoyed; By the holy preceptor’s grace is union with God attained


(GG, 149) ​

The guru cleanses the seeker’s mind of the impurity and brings it to contemplating on the Name. He breaks the shackles of the disciple who turns away from the excitements of the senses. He seeks his welfare and cherishes him as the beloved of his heart. A touch of him erases all blemishes of conduct. The bard Nall refers to the transforming power of the guru thus in symbolic language:

From base metal I became gold by hearing the words of the Guru.


Poison was turned into nectar as one uttered the Name revealed by the Guru. From iron a diamond I became by the Guru’s grace. From stone one becomes a diamond in light of the jnana manifested by the Guru. The Guru transformed common timber into fragrant sandalwood and banished all pain and misery. By worshipping the feet of the Guru, the foolish and the evil became angels—the noblest of men


(GG, 1399) ​

God, who is “without form, colour or feature,” is yet self-communicating. “Through the True Word (sada) is He revealed,” as says Guru Nanak (GG, 597).
Further:

Within every heart is hid the Lord;


In all hearts and bodies is his light. By the guru’s instruction Are the adamantine doors opened. Here sabda and guru are juxtaposed. Often they become one word, sabdaguru, identifying sabda with the guru. The sabda guru is the profound teacher; Without the sabda the world remains in perplexity


(GG, 635) ​

Set your mind on the gurshabad


Which is over and above everything else


(GG, 904) ​

Through the sabda one recognizes the adorable Lord


Through the word of the guru (gurvak) Is he imbued with the truth


(GG. 55) ​

Shabad is the same as the guru, says Guru Ram Das. “Bani (the guru’s utterance or word) is the guru and the guru is bani; in bani are contained all the elixirs” (GG, 982).
Shabad, ever present, is articulated through the human medium, the guru, so ordained by the Supreme Being. The historical Gurus of the Sikh faith are believed to have uttered the truth vouchsafed to them by God. “As I received the word from the Lord, so do I deliver it,” says Guru Nanak (GG, 722). Guru Arjan: “I know not what to say; I utter only the word I receive from God” (GG, 763). And Guru Ram Das: “Own ye the Sikhs the bani of the guru as truth and truth alone, for the Creator Himself makes him utter it” (GG, 308).

God, thus, is the primal Guru of the whole creation. This is how Guru Nanak discloses the identity of his own Guru. One of his compositions, the Sidha Gosti, is in the form of a discourse with a group of yogis. Therein a yogi puts the question to him, “Who is your Guru? Whose disciple are you?” (GG, 942). To which Guru Nanak replies:

Shabad is my Guru, and the meditating mind the disciple.


By dwelling on Him I remain detached. Nanak, God, the cherisher of the world through the ages, is my Guru


(GG, 943) ​

Elsewhere Guru Nanak and his successors affirm that the Satiguru is God.

The light of the pure Lord, the essence of everything, is all-pervading.


He is the infinite, transcendent Lord, the Supreme God Him Nanak has obtained as his Guru


(GG. 599) ​

Accredited is the personality of the bright Guru, God

Who is brimful of all might.


Nanak, the Guru is the transcendent Lord Master. He, the ever present, is the Guru


(GG, 802) ​

According to Sikh belief there is no difference in spirit between such a guru and God. “The guru is God and God is the Guru; there is no distinction between the two” says Guru Ram Das (GG, 442). “God hath placed Himself within the guru, which He explicitly explaineth” (GG, 466). “Acknowledge the Transcendent God and the guru as one “ (GG, 864). The real personality of a human being is the atman, the physical body is only a temporary dwelling place for the atman which is eternal and is a spark from the Eternal Flame, the Supreme Atman or God. “O my self, you are an embodiment of God’s Light; know your true origin” (GG, 441). Being encased in the physical frame, this atman becomes so involved in the temptations of the physical world that it forgets its reality and loses contact with the Flame of its origin, whereas the atman of the Guru remains ever in tune with that Supreme Light from which it has sparked off. It is thus that God is accepted as residing within the guru. It is in this sense that there is no distinction seen between the guru and God. Guru or satiguru is thus a word with a double meaning in the Guru Granth Sahib. It may refer to God or to His chosen prophet.

The true Guru is easily distinguished. “The true guru is one who has realized the Supreme Being and whose association saves the disciple” (GG, 286). “The true guru is one in whose heart dwells the Name Divine” (GG, 287). “He by meeting whom the mind is filled with bliss is the true guru. He ends the duality of the mind and leads (the disciple) to the ultimate state of realization” (GG, 168). “Praise, praise be to the true guru who demolishes the fort of dubiety; wondrous, wondrous the true guru who unites the seeker with the Lord” (GG 522). The guru is ordained as such for the liberation of mankind. He transmits the message of God to men and performs acts of grace to save them. The guru is sent by God, but he is not God’s incarnation. “Singed be the tongue which says that the Lord takes birth” (GG, 1136). He is ajuni (unborn); He is saibhan (self-existent). Highest tribute and adoration are reserved for the guru. Devotion to the guru is deemed to be the quintessential quality of a religious man. The pain of separation from the guru and the joy of meeting with him find expression in poetry of deep intensity, as in Guru Arjan’s hymn in Rag Majh (GG, 96-97).

Guru Nanak was suspicious of human preceptors, pandits, gurus and pirs. They are generally denounced as blind guides, self-styled and traders upon ignorance and superstition. He warns against them:

Never fall at the feet of one


Who calls himself guru and pir, and goes begging. He who eats what he earns And from his own hands gives some in charity, He alone knows the true way of life


(GG, 1245) ​

The disciple whose guru is blind will not attain the goal (GG, 58). Taking up this thought the third Guru said:

The disciples whose guru is blind perform only blind deeds.


They follow their own wayward will, And ever utter the grossest lies


(GG, 951) ​

When Guru Nanak speaks of his guru or satguru, it is not such teachers that he has in mind. The true guru is the means of the self-revelation of God. He makes the concealed and ineffable God known. He symbolizes the supreme act of God’s grace in revealing Himself as Truth, as the Name, as the Word. The true guru comes to unite all people of the world and to unite them to the Supreme Being. A false guru creates schisms, divisions and prejudices. The true guru as manifested in the history of the Sikh faith comes to suppress the forces of evil and to rally the forces of good. He comes to resuscitate the values of true religion, dharma.

The [[Sikh] faith developed under the guidance of ten successive Gurus from 1469 to 1708. Guru Gobind Singh, the Tenth Guru, appointed no personal successor, but bequeathed the guruship to the Holy Book, the Guru Granth Sahib. The holy Word or sabda had always been referred by the Gurus as well as by their disciples as of Divine origin. The Guru was the revealer of the Word. The Word was identified with the Guru when Guru Gobind Singh proclaimed the Holy Book Guru before he passed away. Bards Balvand and Satta theorize that of their three aspects—joti, i.e. light, jugati, way or procedure, and kaia, i.e. body—it is only kaia, the body, that changes as succession passed from one historical Guru of the Sikh faith to the next. Joti and jugati remained the same. As sang the bards: “Joti oha jugati sai sahi kaia pheri palatiai” (GG, 966). From their verse emerges this concept of three aspects of the guruship.

God is the source of all light or consciousness. God kindles that light, in the chosen human body, the Guru; in the joti-aspect the Guru is the most enlightened human being, he is in direct communion with God. He communicates the message of God to mankind. He transmits His light to the world. Without the guru, darkness prevails. Says Guru Nanak, “The light of the guru alone dispels darkness” (GG, 463); “The guru is that lamp which illuminates the three worlds” (GG, 137). Balvand and Satta in their hymn in the Guru Granth Sahib affirm that the historical Gurus of the Sikhs shared the same joti (light). The joti got transferred to the successor’s body. Thus, right from 1469, the year of the birth of Guru Nanak, to 1708, the year of the passing away of Guru Gobind Singh, it was one continuing joti manifesting itself in the Ten Gurus.

This awareness of one light acting through the successive Gurus was so permeating among the Sikhs that Mobid Zulfiqar Ardastani (d. 1670) wrote in his Persian work Dabistan-i-Mazahib, “The Sikhs say that when Nanak left his body, he absorbed himself in Guru Angad who was his most devoted disciple, and that Guru Angad was Nanak himself. After that, at the time of his death, Guru Angad entered into the body of Guru Amar Das. He in the same manner occupied a place in the body of Guru Ram Das who in the same way got united with Guru Arjan. They say that whoever does not acknowledge Guru Arjan to be the very self of Baba Nanak becomes a nonbeliever.”

Guru Gobind Singh, last of the Gurus, himself wrote in his poetical autobiography called Bachitra Natak, “Nanak assumed the body of Angad. . . Afterwards, Nanak was called Amar Das, as one lamp is lit from another. . . The holy Nanak was revered as Angad, Angad was recognized as Amar Das. And Amar Das became Ram Das. . . When Ram Das was blended with the Divine, he gave the Guruship to Arjan. Arjan appointed Hargobind in his place and Hargobind gave his seat to Har Rai. Har Krishan, his son, then became Guru. After him came Tegh Bahadur.”

Balvand and Satta further proclaim that the Gurus indicated the same jugati or the method and way of life. The ministry of Guru Nanak combining joti and jugati, took care of both the worlds, the spiritual and the temporal. It was the ministry of deg (charity), and tegh (power), of miri (temporal authority) and piri (spiritual power). According to the bard, Nanak founded sovereignty on the firm rock of truth. . . Nanaku raju chalaia sachu kotu satani niv dai (GG, 966). As Nanak transferred the joti (light) to Lahina who became Guru Angad, he unfurled the umbrella over his head—lahane dharionu chhatu siri, i.e. he invested Lahina with the authority to carry on with the practice he had introduced. The Gurus preached devotion, bhakti or nam (meditation on the Divine Name), recitation of bani, the sacred texts, and kirtan, i.e. singing of the Lord’s glory in sangat or holy assembly. Along with nam, they inculcated the values of kirat, labouring with one’s hands, and vand chhakna, sharing with others the fruit of one’s exertions. The Gurus had carved a clear way for the disciples.

The Guru’s kaia or body was the repository of God’s light. It was the medium for the articulation of sabda, Word Divine, or God’s message. So it was worthy of reverence. The historical Guru was the focal point of the sangat and the living example of truths he had brought to light. He himself lived up to the teachings he imparted to his disciples.

The sangat turned into Khalsa in the time of Guru Gobind Singh who introduced khande di pahul, i.e. baptism of the double-edged steel sword. With the formation of the Khalsa, the concept of the Guru Panth formalized. By becoming the sixth person to receive amrit at the hands of the Panj Piare, the Five Beloved, who formed the nucleus of the Khalsa Panth, Guru Gobind Singh testified to his own membership of the Panth, and to having merged himself with it and endowed it with the charisma of his own personality. The bani, always revered by the Sikhs as well as by the Gurus as Word Divine, was however above all. This was something which even the Gurus themselves could not change. It was this superiority which Guru Gobind Singh acknowledged in 1708 when he invested Scripture as Guru.

The idea of the Guru Panth lives on in the Khalsa. But the Khalsa itself could not alter the fundamental tenets of the Sikh faith as enunciated in the bani. The Guru Granth Sahib was, in the presence of the Khalsa, proclaimed Guru. The finality of the pronouncement remains a cherished truth for the Sikhs and the Holy Book has since been the perpetual authority, spiritual as well as historical, for them. No living person, however holy or revered, can now have for them the title or status of Guru. For Sikhs the Guru is the teacher, the prophet under direct commission from God—the Ten who have been and the Guru Granth Sahib which is their continuing visible manifestation.



THE CONTINUING VISIBLE MANIFESTATION

For a Sikh Guru Nanak Dev Ji and all Gurus is the VOICE OF GOD.

 

[Sikh80]

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THE CONTINUING VISIBLE MANIFESTATION

Yes, It is true that Guru's were the embodiment Of God and not god in Themselves. God is infinite without limits ,unfathomable and beyond comprehension.

 

[AmbarDhara]

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So is Guru.

God is infinite without limits ,unfathomable and beyond comprehension.

 

[Sikh80]

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Guru Nanak was born to Mehta kalu in the year 1469. He was subject to death.

God is beyond time.Akal Murat

 

[AmbarDhara]

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Because you think that Guru only lives in that body. Guru Nanak is still alive in infinite number of hearts.

 

[Sikh80]

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Guru Nanak Dev Ji also authored Mool Mantra where in he stated:


Ek onkaar satnaam Kartapurukh.................

HE IS ONE ,the TRUTH, THE DOER,........................The SAIBHUNG......................SELF EXISTENT.....................

GURU nanak ji may be in the minds of millions,he may be eulogised by us but HE cannot be the CREATOR.
He was only an embodiment of the Creator.
It is as per the Gurbani. One who takes birth is not the creator.

jo min iciq ieku ArwDdy iqn kI brkiq Kwih AsMK kroVy ] (306-3, gauVI, mÚ 4)
Those who worship and adore the One Lord in their conscious minds - through their generosity, countless millions are fed.

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[AmbarDhara]

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joiq rUip hir Awip gurU nwnku khwXau ] (1408-10)
jot roop har aap guroo naanak kahaa-ya-o.
The Embodiment of Light, the Lord Himself is called Guru Nanak.

Bani is Nirankaar: So Nirankaar says that : jot roop har aap guru nanak kahaayoo.


Is anybody greater than Nirankaar on SPN or anywhere else?


I dont believe so.


Nirankaar rocks.

 

[Sikh80]

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guru Arjunu purKu pRmwxu pwrQau cwlY nhI ] (1408-7, sveIey mhly pMjvyN ky, mQurw)
: Guru Arjun is the certified Primal Person; like Arjuna, He never leaves the field of battle.
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In the above it is stated that Guru Arjun Dev ji is also Primal lord. Thus as per you we have two lords.One Guru nanak and Guru Arjan dev ji. No.
But we can only have one. No
Think it over.

 

[AmbarDhara]

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For me Nirankaar is thinking, have thought and has given me the truth. I dont need to think Sikh80. Who is me in front of Nirankaar?

Nirankaar rocks:

jot roop har aap guroo naanak kahaa-ya-o.
The Embodiment of Light, the Lord Himself is called Guru Nanak.



gurunwnku nwnku hir soie.

gurunwnku nwnku hir soie

so it is.

har har naam mayrai paraan vasaa-ay sabh sansaa dookh gavaa-i-aa.
He has enshrined the Name of the Lord, Har, Har within my breath of lfe, and all my doubts and sorrows have departed.

adisat agochar gur bachan Dhi-aa-i-aa pavitar param pad paa-i-aa.
I have meditated on the invisible and unapproachable Lord, through the Guru's Word, and I have obtained the pure, supreme status.

anhad Dhun vaajeh nit vaajay gaa-ee satgur banee.
The unstruck melody resounds, and the instruments ever vibrate, singing the Bani of the True Guru.

naanak daat karee parabh daatai jotee jot samaanee. ||1||
O Nanak, God the Great Giver has given me a gift; He has blended my light into the Light. ||1||​

 

[Sikh80]

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For me Nirankaar is thinking, have thought and has given me the truth. I dont need to think Sikh80. Who is me in front of Nirankaar?

Nirankaar rocks:

jot roop har aap guroo naanak kahaa-ya-o.
The Embodiment of Light, the Lord Himself is called Guru Nanak.



gurunwnku nwnku hir soie.

gurunwnku nwnku hir soie

so it is.

har har naam mayrai paraan vasaa-ay sabh sansaa dookh gavaa-i-aa.
He has enshrined the Name of the Lord, Har, Har within my breath of lfe, and all my doubts and sorrows have departed.​

adisat agochar gur bachan Dhi-aa-i-aa pavitar param pad paa-i-aa.
I have meditated on the invisible and unapproachable Lord, through the Guru's Word, and I have obtained the pure, supreme status.​

anhad Dhun vaajeh nit vaajay gaa-ee satgur banee.
The unstruck melody resounds, and the instruments ever vibrate, singing the Bani of the True Guru.​

naanak daat karee parabh daatai jotee jot samaanee. ||1||

O Nanak, God the Great Giver has given me a gift; He has blended my light into the Light. ||1||​

O Nanak! God the Great Giver has given me a gift;HE has blended my light into the light.II1II

Yes it is true. God has given the Nanak......

 

[AmbarDhara]

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Nanak Nirankaar says:

jot roop har aap guroo naanak kahaa-ya-o.
The Embodiment of Light, the Lord Himself is called Guru Nanak.

 

[Sikh80]

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Nanak dev ji in Mool Mantra has given all possible attributes Of the creator:

Ik Ongkar Satnam Kartapurukh..............saibhang..gurprasad/
HE IS ONe...........self existent.He creates HIMSELF....


If Guru Nanak dev ji is saying this that Creator is someone else ,it is pointless to say that Nanak ji was Creator.......

 

[AmbarDhara]

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'Nanak Bani Nirankaar' says:

ab tab jab kab tuhee tuhee.
Now and then, here and there, You, only You.
ham tu-a parsaad sukhee sad hee. ||1|| rahaa-o.
By Your Grace, I am forever in peace. ||1||Pause||
toray bharosay maghar basi-o mayray tan kee tapat bujhaa-ee.
Relying upon You, I can live even in the cursed place of Magahar; You have put out the fire of my body.
pahilay darsan maghar paa-i-o fun kaasee basay aa-ee. ||2||
First, I obtained the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan in Magahar; then, I came to dwell at Benares. ||2||
jaisaa maghar taisee kaasee ham aykai kar jaanee.
As is Magahar, so is Benares; I see them as one and the same.
ham nirDhan ji-o ih Dhan paa-i-aa martay foot gumaanee. ||3||
I am poor, but I have obtained this wealth of the Lord; the proud are bursting with pride, and die. ||3||
karai gumaan chubheh tis soolaa ko kaadhan ka-o naahee.
One who takes pride in himself is stuck with thorns; no one can pull them out.
ajai so chobh ka-o bilal bilaatay narkay ghor pachaahee. ||4||
Here, he cries bitterly, and hereafter, he burns in the most hideous hell. ||4||
kavan narak ki-aa surag bichaaraa santan do-oo raaday.
What is hell, and what is heaven? The Saints reject them both.
ham kaahoo kee kaan na kadh-tay apnay gur parsaaday. ||5||
I have no obligation to either of them, by the Grace of my Guru. ||5||
ab ta-o jaa-ay chadhay singhaasan milay hai saringpaanee.
Now, I have mounted to the throne of the Lord; I have met the Lord, the Sustainer of the World.
raam kabeeraa ayk bha-ay hai ko-ay na sakai pachhaanee. ||6||3||
The Lord and Kabeer have become one. No one can tell them apart. ||6||3||​

 

[Sikh80]

Re: Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself.

very good, keep it up..BUt Nanak Dev ji Was the First Guru Of sikhs and was born in 1469 and Creator is AKal Murat ......

 

[AmbarDhara]

Re: Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Guru Nanak Nirankaar lives in every heart.
Guru Nanak Nirankaar lives in infinite number of hearts through Gurbani.
Guru Nanak Nirankaar lives in the infinte universe from the primal begining.​