Jewels And Precious Metals In Sikhism

[Astroboy]

Context: The Kirtan of the Lord's Praise is a priceless diamond. The Naam, the Name of the Lord, is a jewel, a ruby. Somebody please explain if the priceless diamond is more expensive than the Kohinoor!!!

ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਨਿਰਮੋਲਕ ਹੀਰਾ ॥
कीरतनु निरमोलक हीरा ॥
Kīrṯan nirmolak hīrā.
The Kirtan of the Lord's Praise is a priceless diamond.


ਰਤਨ ਜਵੇਹਰ ਨਾਮ ॥
रतन जवेहर नाम ॥
Raṯan javehar nām.
The Naam, the Name of the Lord, is a jewel, a ruby.
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Somebody please explain if the priceless diamond is more expensive than the Kohinoor!!!

 

[spnadmin]

NamJap ji

This thread will stimulate extensive discussion. Yes!

 

[Astroboy]

Yes, Aad Ji.

If I were to set sail to an expedition to go find this so-called Naam, the ruby, where shall I start ?

 

[ekmusafir_ajnabi]

Yes, Aad Ji.

If I were to set sail to an expedition to go find this so-called Naam, the ruby, where shall I start ?

At the feet of a Sadhu/Saint drenched with humbleness.

 

[Astroboy]

At the feet of a Sadhu/Saint drenched with humbleness.

Is this a quiz where you are giving the clues but not the real answer ?
So which sadhu does have the ruby at his feet ?

Do I have to ask Makhan Shah Lobhana for the answer ?

 

[ekmusafir_ajnabi]

Is this a quiz where you are giving the clues but not the real answer ?
So which sadhu does have the ruby at his feet ?

Do I have to ask Makhan Shah Lobhana for the answer ?

No this is not a quiz but the answer.

Which sadhu? Now that is where your journey begins!

No, you do not have to ask but become Makhan Shah Lobhana. If you approach with the right attitude and mind set you will discover the true Sadhu/Sant. Practice sincerity and you will be assisted by the divine. Practice malice and you will be spotted. Do not challange or test a sadhu!. That will be a bad step to take.

 

[Astroboy]

If you approach with the right attitude and mind set you will discover the true Sadhu/Sant. Practice sincerity and you will be assisted by the divine. Practice malice and you will be spotted. Do not challange or test a sadhu!. That will be a bad step to take.

How can I know if the attitude of sincerity I presently have is the right one or the wrong one ?

Practice malice and I will be spotted. What does that mean ? Please explain.

Do not test or challenge the sadhu (like Obi Wan ?)

 

[spnadmin]

Yes, Aad Ji.

If I were to set sail to an expedition to go find this so-called Naam, the ruby, where shall I start ?

Most humbly I suggest -- as deep within yourself as you can go. Not easy.

jinee sun kai manniaa thinaa nij ghar vaas

 

[Astroboy]

Most humbly I suggest -- as deep within yourself as you can go. Not easy.

So deep within myself I have this need to go search for the priceless ruby. Give me a map.

 

[spnadmin]

Hah!

If there is a map it is a very different sort of map. The journey is not from a to b by way of c. Best explanation is by Sufs. You never left.

 

[Astroboy]

Hah!

If there is a map it is a very different sort of map. The journey is not from a to b by way of c. Best explanation is by Sufs. You never left.

This is really confusing. What kind of life-saving gear is required ? If this is not sailing from a to b by way of c, then how can a sadhu be approached in the first place ?

So am I looking for a sadhu who keeps the priceless ruby at his feet ? Is this the destination. So finding The Sadhu is where the journey begins. A journey without a map???

 

[spnadmin]

NamJap ji

With all due respect -- I am not the one to respond to your question about sadhus.

Satguru is the "life-saving gear" as you put it -- perhaps a minority view -- but my view. Why would you need gear anyway? You already have what you need.

 

[ekmusafir_ajnabi]

How can I know if the attitude of sincerity I presently have is the right one or the wrong one ?

This only you know. Search within why do you want the jewel.

Practice malice and I will be spotted. What does that mean ? Please explain.

People like to test the Guru/sadhu/saint to see if he is worthy of being ones master. If one has such ability then one is already enlightened. It is the master that would test you for being a worthy candidate.

Do not test or challenge the sadhu (like Obi Wan ?)
This comment shows your insincerity. Gallin yog na hoe.

The day you will become desperate like the fish out of water, that will mark the day for your first step of sincerity.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਭਜੁ ਮਨਾ ਜਿਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਜਲ ਕਉ ਮੀਨ

 

[Astroboy]

What is the right question I should ask ? To show my sincerity ? So sincerity test has to be passed in order to get ....... a map ?

 

[Astroboy]

why do you want the jewel

Because it is priceless and everlasting. So much is talked about Naam, the precious ruby.

 

[pk70]

What is the right question I should ask ? To show my sincerity ? So sincerity test has to be passed in order to get ....... a map ?

Namjap ji
What map ants do have to get to their goal? They are blessed with an asset given by the Lord, it is called” sense of smell”, same way you are also blessed with that kind of quality which exists within you. Ek musafir ajnabi said well to seek help from a “sadhu” but go there as a soul drenched in humbleness, in simple words” I’ needs to be controlled as it has failed in establishing the goal we seek for as Guru Followers. Environment sculptures the mind!!
Basically, the company of those who are into that jewel becomes mandatory in spiritual path. Fifth Nanak says as long this “I” gets credit of all “doings”, jewel of Naam remains beyond reach.

 

[Astroboy]

same way you are also blessed with that kind of quality which exists within you

...and what quality would that be ?

 

[Astroboy]

in simple words” I’ needs to be controlled as it has failed in establishing the goal we seek for as Guru Followers. Environment sculptures the mind!!

Is there a simpler way to understand all of this - like in a summary ?

 

[pk70]

ਮੇਰੈ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿਲਗੀਦੇਖਨ ਕਉ ਗੁਰਿ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਨਾਲਿ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ ॥
Merai anṯar parīṯ lagī ḏekẖan ka▫o gur hirḏe nāl ḏikẖā▫i▫ā.
Deep within myself, I would love to see the Lord; the Guru has inspired me to see Him within my heart.
ਮਃ 4

 

[Astroboy]

ਮੇਰੈ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿਲਗੀਦੇਖਨ ਕਉ ਗੁਰਿ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਨਾਲਿ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ ॥
Merai anṯar parīṯ lagī ḏekẖan ka▫o gur hirḏe nāl ḏikẖā▫i▫ā.
Deep within myself, I would love to see the Lord; the Guru has inspired me to see Him within my heart.
ਮਃ 4

So now I get the hints that the journey to take is not a physical one but to go within the heart.

The Guru has inspired me to see Him (the Lord) within my heart. So the the priceless ruby is not a physical tangible commodity ?

So I got to quit the adventures like Raiders of the Lost Arc ?

So where does the sadhu come into this picture ? Does the sadhu come from within or without ?