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Islam Islam A Threat Or Benefit To Britain?

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Below is the meaning of think.
  1. To have or formulate in the mind.
    1. <LI type=a>To reason about or reflect on; ponder: Think how complex language is. Think the matter through.
    2. To decide by reasoning, reflection, or pondering: thinking what to do.
  2. To judge or regard; look upon: I think it only fair.
  3. To believe; suppose: always thought he was right.
    1. <LI type=a>To expect; hope: They thought she'd arrive early.
    2. To intend: They thought they'd take their time.
  4. To call to mind; remember: I can't think what her name was.
  5. To visualize; imagine: Think what a scene it will be at the reunion.
  6. To devise or evolve; invent: thought up a plan to get rich quick.
  7. To bring into a given condition by mental preoccupation: He thought himself into a panic over the impending examination.
  8. To concentrate one's thoughts on: “Think languor” (Diana Vreeland).
Now clearly by looking at the above we can safely say that does does not think, as thinking is a human characteristic. Because of our limitations as human beings we need to think.

The reason we will not follow any other prophets who follow after the prophet Mohammad (swas) is because the Quran the words of the almighty has clearly stated to us that there will be no other prophets of islam after prophet Mohammad (swas). And remeber that there are over 145,000 prophets of islam in total.

Below are but a few of the verses of the holy Quran about Allah(swt) and his promises.

"Our Lord! Thou art He that will gather mankind Together against a day about which there is no doubt; for Allah never fails in His promise." (Chapter #3, Verse #9)

And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days;" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?" (Chapter #2, Verse #80)

"Our Lord! Grant us what Thou didst promise unto us through Thine apostles, and save us from shame on the Day of Judgment: For Thou never breakest Thy promise." (Chapter #3, Verse #194)

But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness,- we shall soon admit them to gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,-to dwell therein for ever. Allah.s promise is the truth, and whose word can be truer than Allah.s? (Chapter #4, Verse #122)

A point i would like to make clear it that Allah has knowledge of all things and so this includes all the actions of men and women past and present with all the infinite variations. With in this in mind we can say Allah knows perfectly how many prophets to send to this earth. Now if we say that Mohammad (pbuh) was not the last prophet to be sent by god which he states in the quran and then sends another prophet after, god is both a liar (because god speaks only the truth) and would not be the flawless perfect being he has brought us to believe.

"No human can say God is bounded by any Book or Human or any word even as all are created by God mand can be destroyed by God when God wants and without the will of God even a leafe can not flutter."

Maybe so, but once god has made a promise to man, if he is truthful he will keep that promise and there are no ifs and buts about it.









 
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Below is the meaning of think.
  1. To have or formulate in the mind.

So this means that mind of man was not formulated beofre its creation.If so then how was there a diffreance between Hazrat Adam Hale Sallha and the Iblis who did not bow to it.

Was not Holy Kuran formulation of truth.
  1. [*]
    1. <LI type=a>To reason about or reflect on; ponder: Think how complex language is. Think the matter through.
    To decide by reasoning, reflection, or pondering: thinking what to do.
    [*]
So the Language of Holy Kuran is by Human which is absulutly not. The maker of that language itself prooves that it has reason.
To judge or regard; look upon: I think it only fair.
This means that Last day of Judgement is not within the capabilty of Alllah
To believe; suppose: always thought he was right.
So all guidlines sent to us by Allah were not by the one who was sure about what is right and what is wrong off course not as sender of guidleines deicided s what is right and what is wrong.
<LI type=a>To expect; hope: They thought she'd arrive early.To intend: They thought they'd take their time.

So the wone who fullfilles the hopes of others who seeks alms from that can not intend to fullfill the prayers and does not do it either. What so ever does expected by God does God by self fulfill.
To call to mind; remember: I can't think what her name was.

So dies it means that deeds of infidals will not be rembered and later payed back to them.

To visualize; imagine: Think what a scene it will be at the reunion.
To devise or evolve; invent: thought up a plan to get rich quick.
This means that universe ,earth,Heavan and hell all were not made in planned wave but wwere just made by fluke thats what present day non belivers say.

To bring into a given condition by mental preoccupation: He thought himself into a panic over the impending examination.
To concentrate one's thoughts on: “Think languor” (Diana Vreeland).
This diana in question is not a Muslim das hopes God can do anything and even if wants by making oppanent stron let belivers and in belivers self think as loosing.

Now clearly by looking at the above we can safely say that does does not think, as thinking is a human characteristic. Because of our limitations as human beings we need to think.

It sound very illogical that one who makes other think,wish and hope as all mind and its thoughts are created by no one other than God can by self(Not to write himself) can not think.Only thing could be that our thoughts could be limited as our strenght is limited while one who is omni potant can have any of the restriction of the deeds of that self.

Say if we say that we say that God can not do even a single thing then we are saying God is not at all Omni Potant(Kuran also says that) capable to do anything.If this is true then That is not the God as far as God of holy Kuran.

Ilblis is blessed by God only to come to our heart and had God going by reflexes and by nonsence and by instictns then first thing God could have done was to be subjective and kill Iblis.God is not incapalbe to do this either.
The reason we will not follow any other prophets who follow after the prophet Mohammad (swas) is because the Quran the words of the almighty has clearly stated to us that there will be no other prophets of islam after prophet Mohammad (swas). And remeber that there are over 145,000 prophets of islam in total.

Das is not telling you to follow any prophet but to follow what thier senders wants you to follow.Can you gurantee in the Name of Allah that even without thinking as you say and just by instinct God can not change thier plan.Answer only after asking the God and after having clear reply and think of that while you go for Salat(Prayer). Kurans are orders and not rules as No one can make rule for God but orders of God are rules for us time to time.
Below are but a few of the verses of the holy Quran about Allah(swt) and his promises.

"Our Lord! Thou art He that will gather mankind Together against a day about which there is no doubt; for Allah never fails in His promise." (Chapter #3, Verse #9)

So tell this thing is Allah bounded by his promise,this is words said by God by self rember.Alllah Say to self about Mankind when they will all be removed from doubt in God.Das anyway will read its Sunni tranlaton before giving a final words.AS it could be posible that only belivers are saying that and God is quoting that also does not means that God is bounded by what belivers say it6 could be just description.
And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days;" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?" (Chapter #2, Verse #80)

here again Belivers are saying and it is thier faith as Allah wanted them to think and Allah is only desribing that but that does not means a commitmeant fropm Allah.

"Our Lord! Grant us what Thou didst promise unto us through Thine apostles, and save us from shame on the Day of Judgment: For Thou never breakest Thy promise." (Chapter #3, Verse #194)

The same thing is that Allah is quoting the belivers about thier prception towards Allah and not what Allah is saying.

But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness,- we shall soon admit them to gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,-to dwell therein for ever. Allah.s promise is the truth, and whose word can be truer than Allah.s? (Chapter
Read it carefully that Promise of Allah is Truth ie what so ever is eternal that is what you need to undeerstand as promise ie eternity bestowed by Allah.

Rember that Promise here by belivers are termed as Truth.So only Truth deemded to understood what people say is promise so there is no promise at all but all truth which is Allah and might of omni potant Allah.
A point i would like to make clear it that Allah has knowledge of all things and so this includes all the actions of men and women past and present with all the infinite variations. With in this in mind we can say Allah knows perfectly how many prophets to send to this earth
Dear man Dear Man here you have said that Allah has knowledge ie some thing recoded which can be retived then thats what is rember or to think and here itslef you have yourselved proved that Allah can rember as Allah knows and knowing is and judging is type of thinking.

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Now if we say that Mohammad (pbuh) was not the last prophet to be sent by god which he states in the quran and then sends another prophet after, god is both a liar (because god speaks only the truth) and would not be the flawless perfect being he has brought us to believe.

Thing to rember is that what so ever Allah say is truth and Truth is what Allah says only.This means that what Allah said 1500 years before was truth then what Allah will say 500 before may not be truth if there is contradiction to it at least apprantly.

Say today if Allah say Dajjal is not there then it is truth but during the time of Imam Mehdi it will not be truth.We can not said that Allah lied today so creation which is within time is not true and things relative to it in time may change with time.But Allah does not as Allah makes time and make staments obut relative things within the framework of it.

But Allah is nowhere bound by it.
"No human can say God is bounded by any Book or Human or any word even as all are created by God mand can be destroyed by God when God wants and without the will of God even a leafe can not flutter."
Maybe so, but once god has made a promise to man, if he is truthful he will keep that promise and there are no ifs and buts about it.

If human say that God has made some promise to us and God quote it then it does not means that Humans have bounded God by that promise.That promise is made to be followed by us at given frame of time till Allah wants us to follow and Allah who created promise can destroy it also.

Liar is a one who changes sides with situations' getting change from time to time but Allah is one who changes the time.

Servants are truthfull and Masters are Lords and we need to be truthfull for the glory of Allah then expecting any rewards from Allah,As our existance itself is rewards and our fiaht in Allah itself is reward.

All things made by Allah.
All deeds made by Allah due to it.

We do not have anything of us by which we can say that at anytime Allah made promise to us.Allah Said something to self and by Self does Allah changes the plan.

Say dear Muslim if you say that I will eat four breads but after eating three you say thats it no more eating as you are satisfied that will not mean that you are lier.

Had Allah had any Shareek(some else than self) Then only we could have said that there is a scope of Allah's saying lie but Allah has no Shareeq.

with some one equal pacts and promises are made.

Our Master knows what iis Good for us.One who takes care of US knows it.

Say at one time father tells us to not to go out when we are child and when we grow up same sends us to earn for ourselves.
 

rosethorne

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Dear Toreador, We respect you as Muslim has shown you respect. But without knowing sikhi you willbe not able to know about Sikhs. It is in Sikhs blood to serve humanity. In www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/gurus/kanhaiya.html

Bhai Kanhaiya ji was founder of Sevapanthi or Addanshahi sect of the Sikhs. He was born in a Dhamman Khatri family of Sodhara near Wazirabad in Sialkot District (Now in Pakistan). His father was a wealthy trader, but he himself being of a religious bent of mind left home when still very young and roamed about With sadhus and ascetics in search of spiritual peace. His quest ended as he met Guru Tegh Bahadur 1621-75) and accepted initiation at his hands. Kanhaiya established a dharamsal at Kavha village in the present Attock district of Pakistan. Which he turned into a preaching centre. His special mission was selfless service of humanity with no distinction of nationality, caste or creed. In 1705, he was on a visit to Anandpur when Anandpur was invested by a combination of hill troops and the Mughal imperial army. During the frequent sallies and skirmishes, Bhai Kanhaiya used to roam around serving water to the wounded and the dying without distinction of friend and foe. Some Sikhs complained to Guru Gobind Singh that Kanhaiya had been resuscitating the fallen enemy soldiers. As Guru Gobind Singh summoned Bhat Kanhaiya and told him What the Sikhs had said, he spoke, "Yes, my Lord, what they said is true in a sense, but I saw no Mughals or Sikhs in the battlefield. I only saw the Guru's face in everyone.
" The Guru, pleased with the reply, blessed him and told his Sikhs that Kanhaiya had understood his teaching correctly. Guru also give him medicine to be put on the wounds of fallen soldiers(Sikhs and Enemies).

That is not any ordinary people's words it was OUR GURU'S words. He himself shown the path to how to serve the humans and how to react. It is Sikhi sir. You cannot be able to know without knowing the SIKHI, Why nihungs were so comfortable with serving a Mosque. You will get your answer that it is love to humans not to mosques. The underlined phrase is to show that nobody in any History has the GURU like Our's.





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SIREE RAAG, THIRD MEHL: Discarding the Ambrosial Nectar, they greedily grab the poison; they serve others, instead of the Lord. They lose their faith, they have no understanding; night and day, they suffer in pain. The blind, self-willed manmukhs do not even think of the Lord; they are drowned to death without water. || 1 || O mind, vibrate and meditate forever on the Lord; seek the Protection of His Sanctuary. If the Word of the Guru's Shabad abides deep within, then you shall not forget the Lord. || 1 || Pause || This body is the puppet of Maya. The evil of egotism is within it. Coming and going through birth and death, the self-willed manmukhs lose their honor. Serving the True Guru, eternal peace is obtained, and one's light merges into the Light. || 2 || Serving the True Guru brings a deep and profound peace, and one's desires are fulfilled. Abstinence, truthfulness and self-discipline are obtained, and the body is purified; the Lord, Har, Har, comes to dwell within the mind. Such a person remains blissful forever, day and night. Meeting the Beloved, peace is found. || 3 || I am a sacrifice to those who seek the Sanctuary of the True Guru. In the Court of the True One, they are blessed with true greatness; they are intuitively absorbed into the True Lord. O Nanak, by His Glance of Grace He is found; the Gurmukh is united in His Union. || 4 || 12 || 45 || {Page31}







 
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002.079
YUSUFALI: Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
PICKTHAL: Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby.
SHAKIR: Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
002.080
YUSUFALI: And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?"
PICKTHAL: And they say: The Fire (of punishment) will not touch us save for a certain number of days. Say: Have ye received a covenant from Allah - truly Allah will not break His covenant - or tell ye concerning Allah that which ye know not?
SHAKIR: And they say: Fire shall not touch us but for a few days. Say: Have you received a promise from Allah, then Allah will not fail to perform His promise, or do you speak against Allah what you do not know?
002.081
YUSUFALI: Nay, those who seek gain in evil, and are girt round by their sins,- they are companions of the Fire: Therein shall they abide (For ever).
PICKTHAL: Nay, but whosoever hath done evil and his sin surroundeth him; such are rightful owners of the Fire; they will abide therein.
SHAKIR: Yea, whoever earns evil and his sins beset him on every side, these are the inmates of the fire; in it they shall abide.

/here we can see that Allah is telling us to test evil people by asking them if they know about promise of God or not and what they say thence but God is not promising anything.


003.007
YUSUFALI: He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
PICKTHAL: He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.
SHAKIR: He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.
003.008
YUSUFALI: "Our Lord!" (they say), "Let not our hearts deviate now after Thou hast guided us, but grant us mercy from Thine own Presence; for Thou art the Grantor of bounties without measure.
PICKTHAL: Our Lord! Cause not our hearts to stray after Thou hast guided us, and bestow upon us mercy from Thy Presence. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Bestower.
SHAKIR: Our Lord! make not our hearts to deviate after Thou hast guided us aright, and grant us from Thee mercy; surely Thou art the most liberal Giver.
003.009
YUSUFALI: "Our Lord! Thou art He that will gather mankind Together against a day about which there is no doubt; for Allah never fails in His promise."
PICKTHAL: Our Lord! Lo! it is Thou Who gatherest mankind together to a Day of which there is no doubt. Lo! Allah faileth not to keep the tryst.
SHAKIR: Our Lord! surely Thou art the Gatherer of men on a day about which there is no doubt; surely Allah will not fail (His) promise.
003.010
YUSUFALI: Those who reject Faith,- neither their possessions nor their (numerous) progeny will avail them aught against Allah: They are themselves but fuel for the Fire.
PICKTHAL: (On that Day) neither the riches nor the progeny of those who disbelieve will aught avail them with Allah. They will be fuel for Fire.
SHAKIR: (As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire


Read this carefully that God is saying that only God knows the exact meaning of the books.Then it is proven here itself that God has brought us on right track and God can let us on that and can put us off the right path.Then your promise ting comes that if Allah wants to have gathering of all men(in Allah's front) Allah can dop it without fail but no obligation are been given here but a possiblity being told by the beliver and quoted by Allah.

Say if Das says that dear Muslim keeps fast(from today they are starting) as das knows it that does not mean that Dear Muslim is at all keeping the fast.

So as Allah want beliver to belivwe that Allah never fails the promise is there so do beliover belives but that does not make any obligation on the part of Allah as beliver does as Master tells and when we talk of a lie then it is something being told untrue but AS will of Allah is true so if promise arere made apprently or relatively(see that there are two types of thing absolute and relative or allorigical in booksd thats what Das wanted you to know) Allah can do it and no one can prevnt Allah.

see this
003.189
YUSUFALI: To Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth; and Allah hath power over all things.
PICKTHAL: Unto Allah belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. Allah is Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: And Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and Allah has power over all things.

So Allah has power over promises also as he made that and can destroy nthe same.
003.193
YUSUFALI: "Our Lord! we have heard the call of one calling (Us) to Faith, 'Believe ye in the Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins, blot out from us our iniquities, and take to Thyself our souls in the company of the righteous.
PICKTHAL: Our Lord! Lo! we have heard a crier calling unto Faith: "Believe ye in your Lord!" So we believed. Our Lord! Therefor forgive us our sins, and remit from us our evil deeds, and make us die the death of the righteous.
SHAKIR: Our Lord! surely we have heard a preacher calling to the faith, saying: Believe in your Lord, so we did believe; Our Lord! forgive us therefore our faults, and cover our evil deeds and make us die with the righteous.
003.194
YUSUFALI: "Our Lord! Grant us what Thou didst promise unto us through Thine messengers, and save us from shame on the Day of Judgment: For Thou never breakest Thy promise."
PICKTHAL: Our Lord! And give us that which Thou hast promised to us by Thy messengers. Confound us not upon the Day of Resurrection. Lo! Thou breakest not the tryst.
SHAKIR: Our Lord! and grant us what Thou hast promised us by Thy messengers; and disgrace us not on the day of resurrection; surely Thou dost not fail to perform the promise.
003.195
YUSUFALI: And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them: "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: Ye are members, one of another: Those who have left their homes, or been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- A reward from the presence of Allah, and from His presence is the best of rewards."
PICKTHAL: And their Lord hath heard them (and He saith): Lo! I suffer not the work of any worker, male or female, to be lost. Ye proceed one from another. So those who fled and were driven forth from their homes and suffered damage for My cause, and fought and were slain, verily I shall remit their evil deeds from them and verily I shall bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow - A reward from Allah. And with Allah is the fairest of rewards.
SHAKIR: So their Lord accepted their prayer: That I will not waste the work of a worker among you, whether male or female, the one of you being from the other; they, therefore, who fled and were turned out of their homes and persecuted in My way and who fought and were slain, I will most certainly cover their evil deeds, and I will most certainly make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; a reward from Allah, and with Allah is yet better reward.

See here again that Allah is not promising but just wants preacher to say that but that also does not make Allah bounded by any promises but Allah will bless the belivers who had faith and there is not a trading like that if we do this then Allah is bound to return thios thing as your actions are well within the power of Allah.


004.116
YUSUFALI: Allah forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right).
PICKTHAL: Lo! Allah pardoneth not that partners should be ascribed unto Him. He pardoneth all save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah hath wandered far astray.
SHAKIR: Surely Allah does not forgive that anything should be associated with Him, and He forgives what is besides this to whom He pleases; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he indeed strays off into a remote error.
004.117
YUSUFALI: (The Pagans), leaving Him, call but upon female deities: They call but upon satan the persistent rebel!
PICKTHAL: They invoke in His stead only females; they pray to none else than Satan, a rebel
SHAKIR: They do not call besides Him on anything but idols, and they do not call on anything but a rebellious Shaitan.
004.118
YUSUFALI: Allah did curse him, but he said: "I will take of Thy servants a portion Marked off;
PICKTHAL: Whom Allah cursed, and he said: Surely I will take of Thy bondmen an appointed portion,
SHAKIR: Allah has cursed him; and he said: Most certainly I will take of Thy servants an appointed portion:
004.119
YUSUFALI: "I will mislead them, and I will create in them false desires; I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and to deface the (fair) nature created by Allah." Whoever, forsaking Allah, takes satan for a friend, hath of a surety suffered a loss that is manifest.
PICKTHAL: And surely I will lead them astray, and surely I will arouse desires in them, and surely I will command them and they will cut the cattle' ears, and surely I will command them and they will change Allah's creation. Whoso chooseth Satan for a patron instead of Allah is verily a loser and his loss is manifest.
SHAKIR: And most certainly I will lead them astray and excite in them vain desires, and bid them so that they shall slit the ears of the cattle, and most certainly I will bid them so that they shall alter Allah's creation; and whoever takes the Shaitan for a guardian rather than Allah he indeed shall suffer a manifest loss.
004.120
YUSUFALI: Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
PICKTHAL: He promiseth them and stirreth up desires in them, and Satan promiseth them only to beguile.
SHAKIR: He gives them promises and excites vain desires in them; and the Shaitan does not promise them but to deceive.
004.121
YUSUFALI: They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape.
PICKTHAL: For such, their habitation will be hell, and they will find no refuge therefrom.
SHAKIR: These are they whose abode is hell, and they shall not find any refuge from it.
004.122
YUSUFALI: But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness,- we shall soon admit them to gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,-to dwell therein for ever. Allah's promise is the truth, and whose word can be truer than Allah's?
PICKTHAL: But as for those who believe and do good works We shall bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. It is a promise from Allah in truth; and who can be more truthful than Allah in utterance?
SHAKIR: And (as for) those who believe and do good, We will make them enter into gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide therein for ever; (it is) a promise of Allah, true (indeed), and who is truer of word than Allah?
004.123
YUSUFALI: Not your desires, nor those of the People of the Book (can prevail): whoever works evil, will be requited accordingly. Nor will he find, besides Allah, any protector or helper.
PICKTHAL: It will not be in accordance with your desires, nor the desires of the People of the Scripture. He who doeth wrong will have the recompense thereof, and will not find against Allah any protecting friend or helper.
SHAKIR: (This) shall not be in accordance with your vain desires nor in accordance with the vain desires of the followers of the Book; whoever does evil, he shall be requited with it, and besides Allah he will find for himself neither a guardian nor a helper.

Read this carefully here we are told by Allah by self that promises of Satan are false but refuge in Allah ie good deeds are OK.But Allah is the only helper and guradian.

Here Truth is corerectly refered as promise of Allah that Allah will reveal true by self and falsehood which is satan will perish.

So at last we can say that term promise is nothing but truth or promise of Allah is Allahs leting us know the truth and that is promise made by Allah but only in the hand of Allah to one Allah want.

Liar is one who does not talk of truth but truth is that Allah is all power full Omni potant and Omni present see below
004.126YUSUFALI: But to Allah belong all things in the heavens and on earth: And He it is that Encompasseth all things.
PICKTHAL: Unto Allah belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Allah ever surroundeth all things.
SHAKIR: And whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is Allah's; and Allah encompasses all things

So this is the promise of Allah which is to show us his promise which is truth and nothing but truth and that is that all things are nothing but Allah.

That thing Allah wants to show to whomsoever Allah wants to see.
 

2ruakalbir

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I think it is valid to assume that islam is a threat not only to britain, but western culture and way of life. Sikhs, Hindus, Buddists, Jews, etc come to western nations and assimilate. As they assimilate, which also shows respect for their new homelands, they also keep to their culture as well. muslims don't seem to do this well. They come to the west only to seek its benefits, and impose their way of life on others. The UK has bent over backwards to accomodate them, as does CAN/ USA.

Islam is a threat to the world. Investigate yourself. read the koran and examine it's barbaric thoughts on women, non-muslims, polygamy, etc...

Don't be fooled, islam is a threat...look at the recent events, london bombings, 911, as well as many terrorist activities the literal definitions of the koran validates.
 

muslim

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Wow they way some of the members act and speak about Islam you'd think that they were 5 year olds, oh dear is that why you conceal your ages? are you all of similar ages to desinative. (sorry if i spelt your name wrong) wow so here i am, debating (if you can call it that) with middle aged and older men who behave like little children. Yea i guess Gurbani is correct when it says those who think they know it all, in this case some of the members of this forum on the religion of Islam are fools and me im a bigger fool for even debating with you.
 

rosethorne

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http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikhphilosophy/members/muslim.html
Wow they way some of the members act and speak about Islam you'd think that they were 5 year olds, oh dear is that why you conceal your ages? are you all of similar ages to desinative. (sorry if i spelt your name wrong) wow so here i am, debating (if you can call it that) with middle aged and older men who behave like little children. Yea i guess Gurbani is correct when it says those who think they know it all, in this case some of the members of this forum on the religion of Islam are fools and me im a bigger fool for even debating with you.

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Dear muslimji, You are mistaken totally of knowing about Sikhs. Because you know That Our Tenth GURU GOBIND SINGHJI MAHARAJ built some mosques but what the mughal emperoror done to HIM. That is ISLAM to humiliate those who even serve Islam.You are a kid surely thats why you are being sensetive on this topic and reacting without knowing the facts. Islam is known to invade the nations in the past history and You can see it in your school books. That is not a glorious one but shameful one to Islam. That is History and no one can challenge it. Sikhs are fool surely because they easiely Provoke and easiely believe any person. But they are sensetive and sensible also. Not a fool in terms but surely ignorant they are. And surely if you see a true Gursikh then see and realize that the wondering Sawa lakh ke baraabar Is A Gursikh. You may be more wondered if you see the Image of BABA DEEP SINGHJI SHAHEED. Take Thumsup Daily to growup like Salmaan Khan.
 
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Dear Muslim,

"Wow they way some of the members act and speak about Islam you'd think that they were 5 year olds, oh dear is that why you conceal your ages? are you all of similar ages to desinative. (sorry if i spelt your name wrong) wow so here i am, debating (if you can call it that) with middle aged and older men who behave like little children. Yea i guess Gurbani is correct when it says those who think they know it all, in this case some of the members of this forum on the religion of Islam are fools and me im a bigger fool for even debating with you."


oye , Kaakke ,

Sikhaan Di Koi Umr Nahin hondi Hai ,
Na hi Sikh di koi Umr Seema Hondi hai ,
Sikh Na Jamm da hai ,
Na te Sikh Marda Hai ,

if a gentle man goes in the company of theives he also becomes thieves ,
If a gentle man goes in the company of Good people so he becomes ,

You have come in this forum in the company of Sikhs ,
So , You are a Sikh , You are Now Not a Muslim .....

Who ever comes to the company of sikhs he becomes so ,
But when a sikh goes in the company of others He is still a sikh ,

Sikh Sikh Kar Sikh Samjho , To Bhi Ek Sikh Hai ,
Agar Na Samajho To bhi Ek Sikh hai .






 

LAKHBIR

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YES I AGREE THAT MAJORITY I'D SAY 99.9% OF MUSLIMS IN bRITAIN ARE HELL BENT ON THE ISLAMIFICATION OF BRITAIN.
THE KORAN DOES INSTIGATE VIOLENCE TOWARDS PEOPLE WHO DO NOT ACCEPT ISLAM AS THEIR RELIGION- history proves this AS the koran refers to them as "kafirs non belivers". The koran clearly states that its acceptable for muslims to use force- violence against non belivers WHICH THEY DO. THE CORE ESSENCE OF ISLAM IS CONVERSION THEY BELIEVE AFTER MOHAMMED THERE ARE NO OTHER MESSENGERS OF GOD. WHY do they believe this- CUZ IT SAYS SO IN THE KORAN, BECAUSE OF THIS THEY REGARD ALL RELIGONS AS FALSE HOW INTOLLERANT IS THAT. I WOULD'T WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT IS LIKE THAT INTOLLERABLE OF OTHER FAITHS. MUSLIMS GO AROUND SAYING HOW HARD DONE BY THEY ARE ,AND HOW THEY FEEL DISCRIMINATED BUT ON THE WHOLE THEY ARE THE WORST RACISTS AROUND. CHRISTAINS AROUND THE WORLD ARE KILLED BY MUSLIMS EVEN WHILST I'M WRITING THIS REPLY THEY ARE IN LIBYA, LEBANON BUT YOU DN'T GET BRITISH CHRISTAINS GOING AROUND KILLING MUSLIMS IN ENGLAND DO YOU, NO YOU DN;T.
 
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The basic problem with Muslims is that from the very childhood the mind of muslim children have been poisoned. At every step they are being fed with HATE and only HATE towards other religions. When these children grow up HATE forms part of their personality. And if now you tell them to be tolerant of other faiths, it is too much to expect from them.
When we see Muslim leaders and scholors spewing venom in day to day life the social fabric of such societies is blended with nothing but BLOOD. The result is - to KILL a human being is not a big deal. And when it is the blood of Non Believers and sanctioned by Religious teaching, the ACT of KILLING becomes divine duty and pleasure.
Here I take liberty of presenting the speech of a great Muslim Leader Ayatolla Khomeni. Just see the type of sermon coming out of the mouth of a religious preacher.. !!!

Khomeini's speech on the day of celebration of the birth of Muhammad: 1981

The real Day of God is the day that Amir al mo’menin (1) drew his sword and slaughtered all the khavarej (2) and killed them from the first to the last.

The Days of God are when Allah, the gracious, the almighty, causes an earthquake.
It is when He slaps on the face.
It is when he causes a hurricane.
He whips this people to become humans.
If the Amir al mo’menin (1) wanted to be tolerant, he would not have drawn his sword killing 700 people in one go
In our prisons we have more of the same kind of people who are corrupt.
If we do not kill them, each one of them that gets out, will become a murderer!
They don’t become humans.

Why do you Mullahs only go after the ordinances of prayer and fasting?

Why do you only read the Quranic verses of mercy and do not read the verses of killing?

Quran says; kill, imprison!

Why are you only clinging to the part that talks about mercy?

Mercy is against God.

Mehrab (3) means the place of war, the place of fighting.
Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed,
Just as all the wars of Islam used to proceeded out of the mehrabs.
The prophet has [had] sword to kill people..

Our [Holy] Imams were quite military men.
All of them were warriors.They used to wield swords; they used to kill people.

We need a Khalifa who would chop hands, cut throat, stone people
In the same way that the messenger of God used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people.

In the same way that he massacred the Jews of Bani Qurayza (4) because they were a bunch of discontent people.

If the Prophet used to order to burn a house or exterminate a tribe that was justice.

The lives of people must be secured through punishment.
Because, the protection of the masses lies beneath these very punitive executions.
With just a few years of imprisonment things don’t get fixed.
You must put aside these childish sentimentalism.

We believe that the accused essentially does not have to be tried. He or she must just be killed.

Only their identity is to be established and then they should be killed.

(1) Amir al mo’menin: The Commander of the Faithful. Title of Ali the fourth Caliph and the first Imam of the Shiites.
(2) khavarej: A group of dissidents that rejected the leadership of Ali and when 4000 of them gathered in the mosque to protest, Ali sent his armed men and massacred them all.
(3) Mehraab :Prayer niche of a Mosque, in front of which the Imam stands when leading the congregational prayers. It literally means the place of war, derived from harb (war)
(4) Bani Qurayza: A tribe of the Jews of Medina whose quarter Muhammad besieged, cut the water to them and when they surrendered, he ordered his cousin Ali and his uncle Hamza to massacre them while their hands were tide from behind to their necks and their bodies were thrown in a ditch. Boys were inspected and if they had pubic hair they were counted as men and executed. The number of men massacred in that day is reported to be between 600 to 900. All their belongings went to Muhammad alone (because Muslims did not have to fight this war the prophet kept all the booty for himself) The children and wives of these Jews were sold as slaves. Muhammad kept the 17-year-old beautiful Rayhanah for himself. Rayhana, whose father, brothers and husband, Muhammad had killed, did not accept Islam and did not agree to marry the prophet. She remained in his household as a sex slave until he died and forbidden to remarry after that.
 
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What you think, when Religious preachers are preaching such horrible things to the masses, what you expect from the poor commoners !!!

Do you think that the product of such indoctrination can assimilate normally with the westen society !!!!
 
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All the muddled headed muslims must be sent to a huge psychiatrist hospital ......

In the ancient stories there is a lot mention of demons and devils ,"RAKSHASH" , The muslims might be from the lineage of RAKSHASHS .

they are crazy and sick for zannat , hoor , paris etc etc ..........

Mohammad means MOH-AM-MAD A person who is mad and crazy about MOH ie zannat.
 

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