Well Ek Onkar Satnam the opening lines of the Sikh prayer, can be translated in two ways:Sikhism started with Guru Nanak exclaiming There is One God !
(He did not say there might be a God!)
Veera that example does not prove him as much as it proves an instinct in us to avoid conflict ,but the fact that you have the capacity to love and so feel to hug another being does go some way to prove their is Intelligent Design,I suppose an Atheist would see love as a genetic survival mechanism.You are about to slap the other person, but something inside you asks you to stay put and let it pass.
Veer Ji you don't love the force but you love your wife,has not your impersonal force allowed for this personal love?Dildarji
After 15 years as an atheist and just over a year as a Sikh, I would say that atheism has no resemblance whatsoever to the Sikhism that most of us were brought up in, however, I feel it has a huge resemblance to the Sikhism that started life in the mind of Guru Nanakji. In fact, if you give the word 'God' its true Abrahamic meaning, you will find that a lot of Sikhs believe in a Creator, a Creative force, an energy, a divine order, that has no relationship with the image of God that a lot of people have, a vengeful, jealous, angry, personality ridden deity.
As a Sikh, I believe that this force, this energy, WaheGuru, shows me the way to truth and truthful living, I have to confess I do not worship this force, nor am I in awe, or in fear, I feel only love for this force, and a desire to emulate, to copy the facets of this force, to be in tune, in line with it.
as a sikh, i believe that this force, this energy, waheguru, shows me the way to truth and truthful living, i have to confess i do not worship this force, nor am i in awe, or in fear, i feel only love for this force
????????????????veer ji you don't love the force but you love your wife,has not your impersonal force allowed for this personal love?
Brother Vouthonji,Brother Harry Haller ji, you remind me so much of the Catholic mystic Angelus Silesius that I'm beginning to think that you are the Sikh Angelus Silesius mundahug
Man, if not for the fact that I don't believe in reincarnation, I would suspect that his person has returned in you...He lived from 1624 - 1677...
Dig this gingerteakaur
"...No thought for the hereafter
have the wise,
for on this very earth
they live in paradise.
All heaven's glory is within
and so is hell's fierce burning.
You must yourself decide
in which direction
you are turning
Unless you find paradise
at your own center,
there is not
the smallest chance
that you may enter.
Saints do not die.
It is their lot
to die while on this earth
to all that God is not.
The vengeful God
of wrath and punishment
is a mere fairytale.
It simply is the Me
that makes me fail.
No ray of Light can shine
if severed from its source.
Without my inner Light
I lose my course.
Don't think that some tommorrow
you'll see God's Light.
You see it now
or err in darkest night.
No wonder you despise
the mob's insanity.
All that it demonstrates
He whose treasure house is God,
his earth is paradise.
Why then call those
who make this earth a hell
the worldly wise?
Where is my dewelling place? Where I can never stand.
Where is my final goal, toward which I should ascend?
It is beyond all place. What should my quest then be?
I must, transcending God, into the desert flee..."
- Angelus Silesius (1624 - 1677), Catholic mystic and poet
The Catholic mystics teach that we must eventually, "Go beyond God" or rather the idea of a God we can think of and reach that stage where we enter into "the naked Desert of the Godhead"....the very Ground of our Soul where God's Eye and our Eye are one sight, one love, one heart....
Many thanks for your most kind compliment, although I do not believe in reincarnation, I do believe that one or another, our essence can keep on trucking, we come from dirt, and we go back to dirt. Who is to say that Brother Angelus does not live on through the trees near his grave, the fruits of those trees that were eaten, maybe his DNA lives on in millions, if only they would open themselves to the possibility of the enormous wisdom that resides within us, harness that wisdom and know your true self, know your true self and everything could be revealed