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In Which Tune To Sing This Shabad?

aristotle

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ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕਾ ॥ ਏਕੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਕੈ ਘਰਿ ਗਾਵਣਾ
Siree Raag, Kabeer Jee: To Be Sung To The Tune Of "Ayk Su-Aan".

ਜਨਨੀ ਜਾਨਤ ਸੁਤੁ ਬਡਾ ਹੋਤੁ ਹੈ ਇਤਨਾ ਕੁ ਨ ਜਾਨੈ ਜਿ ਦਿਨ ਦਿਨ ਅਵਧ ਘਟਤੁ ਹੈ ॥
The mother thinks that her son is growing up; she does not understand that, day by day, his life is diminishing.
ਮੋਰ ਮੋਰ ਕਰਿ ਅਧਿਕ ਲਾਡੁ ਧਰਿ ਪੇਖਤ ਹੀ ਜਮਰਾਉ ਹਸੈ ॥੧॥
Calling him, "Mine, mine", she fondles him lovingly, while the Messenger of Death looks on and laughs. ||1||
ਐਸਾ ਤੈਂ ਜਗੁ ਭਰਮਿ ਲਾਇਆ ॥
You have misled the world so deeply in doubt.
ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1||Pause||
ਕਹਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਿਖਿਆ ਰਸ ਇਤੁ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਨਿਹਚਉ ਮਰਣਾ ॥
Says Kabeer, give up the pleasures of corruption, or else you will surely die of them.
ਰਮਈਆ ਜਪਹੁ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਅਨਤ ਜੀਵਣ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਨ ਬਿਧਿ ਭਵ ਸਾਗਰੁ ਤਰਣਾ ॥੨॥
Meditate on the Lord, O mortal being, through the Word of His Bani; you shall be blessed with eternal life. In this way, shall you cross over the terrifying world-ocean. ||2||
ਜਾਂ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਾ ਲਾਗੈ ਭਾਉ ॥
As it pleases Him, people embrace love for the Lord,
ਭਰਮੁ ਭੁਲਾਵਾ ਵਿਚਹੁ ਜਾਇ ॥
and doubt and delusion are dispelled from within.
ਉਪਜੈ ਸਹਜੁ ਗਿਆਨ ਮਤਿ ਜਾਗੈ ॥
Intuitive peace and poise well up within, and the intellect is awakened to spiritual wisdom.
ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੈ ॥੩॥
By Guru's Grace, the inner being is touched by the Lord's Love. ||3||
ਇਤੁ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਮਰਣਾ ॥
In this association, there is no death.
ਹੁਕਮੁ ਪਛਾਣਿ ਤਾ ਖਸਮੈ ਮਿਲਣਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ਦੂਜਾ ॥
Recognizing the Hukam of His Command, you shall meet with your Lord and Master. ||1||Second. Pause||

(Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj, Page 91-92)
This Shabad presents a peculiar instruction in the beginning,
ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕਾ ॥ ਏਕੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਕੈ ਘਰਿ ਗਾਵਣਾ
Siree Raag, Kabeer Jee: To Be Sung To The Tune Of "Ayk Su-Aan".
Most of the Shabads are either instructed to be sung in 'Raags'(ਰਾਗ) , 'Ghar-u(ਘਰੁ), or in some specific 'Dhun'(ਧੁਨ)(like ਕਾਨੜੇ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ਮੂਸੇ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ ਕੀ ਧੁਨੀ, ਵਾਰ ਮਾਝ ਕੀ ਤਥਾ ਸਲੋਕ ਮਹਲਾ ੧. ਮਲਕ ਮੁਰੀਦ ਤਥਾ ਚੰਦ੍ਰਹੜਾ ਸੋਹੀਆ ਕੀ ਧੁਨੀ ਗਾਵਣੀ॥ etc.), but the instruction in this Shabad is slightly unique than the others.

* What is the tune Of "Ayk Su-Aan"(ਏਕੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ)?

* Incidentally (or intentionally) there happens to be another Shabad in Siree Raag itself,
ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ੪ ॥
Siree Raag, First Mehl, Fourth House:

ਏਕੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਦੁਇ ਸੁਆਨੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥
The dogs of greed are with me.

ਭਲਕੇ ਭਉਕਹਿ ਸਦਾ ਬਇਆਲਿ ॥
In the early morning, they continually bark at the wind.
ਕੂੜੁ ਛੁਰਾ ਮੁਠਾ ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ ॥
Falsehood is my dagger; through deception, I eat the carcasses of the dead.
ਧਾਣਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਰਹਾ ਕਰਤਾਰ ॥੧॥
I live as a wild hunter, O Creator! ||1||
ਮੈ ਪਤਿ ਕੀ ਪੰਦਿ ਨ ਕਰਣੀ ਕੀ ਕਾਰ ॥
I have not followed good advice, nor have I done good deeds.
ਹਉ ਬਿਗੜੈ ਰੂਪਿ ਰਹਾ ਬਿਕਰਾਲ ॥
I am deformed and horribly disfigured.
ਤੇਰਾ ਏਕੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਾਰੇ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥
Your Name alone, Lord, saves the world.
ਮੈ ਏਹਾ ਆਸ ਏਹੋ ਆਧਾਰੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
This is my hope; this is my support. ||1||Pause||

(Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj, Page 24)
Is there any intended connection between the two Shabads?
If there is a connection, what than is the tune to which these Shabads are to be sung?
 

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You are supposed to Sing the Bhagat Kabir Jis Shabad to the tune of the Shabad by Guru nanak ji. The Shabad title is given as reference as to how to sing it.
Why of all Shabads is this single Shabad selected to serve as the tune guide for Bhagat Kabeer's Shabad? There are other Shabads with Siree Raag Ghar 4 too.
Also, what is the tune of the original Shabad? Has any Raagi attempted to sing the Shabad on the tune of Ayk Su Aan?
 

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From the commentary provided by Professor Sahib Singh Ji in his book 'ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦਰਪਣ'(Guru Granth Darpan):
(roughly translated)

Kabir Ji has opined in this Shabad,
ਕਹਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਿਖਿਆ ਰਸ ਇਤੁ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਨਿਹਚਉ ਮਰਣਾ ॥
Says Kabeer, give up the pleasures of corruption, or else you will surely die of them.
Bhai Manmohan Singh translates this as "Says Kabir, abandon the pleasures of sin, for thou shalt assuredly die in their association" which seems more accurate
Which are the 'pleasures of sin' in whose 'association' one 'surely dies'? Kabir Ji has used the words ਮਾਇਆ(Maya) and ਬਿਖਿਆ ਰਸ(evil nectar/poison) for them. What is the embodiment of 'Maya'? Which are the 'pleasures of sin'. Kabir Ji has not explained in detail regarding them. ਸੁਆਨ(dog, a metaphor for greed), ਸੁਆਨੀ(she-dog, metaphors for craving and expectation), ਨਿੰਦਾ(slandering), ਪਰ ਘਰੁ(spy of others' house), association with them is surely death, beacuse the human in such a way remains 'ਧਾਣਕ ਰੂਪਿ'(a huntsman of evils). The philosophical discourse Kabir Ji started with mere metaphors, Guru Nanak Sahib explained them in great detail.
The heading and sharing of subject matter indicates Guru Nanak Sahib presented this Shabad as a possible explanation for Kabir Ji's Shabad.
The heading can be by Guru Nanak Sahib or Guru Arjan Sahib, but in no case by Kabir Ji.
 

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Why of all Shabads is this single Shabad selected to serve as the tune guide for Bhagat Kabeer's Shabad? There are other Shabads with Siree Raag Ghar 4 too.
Also, what is the tune of the original Shabad? Has any Raagi attempted to sing the Shabad on the tune of Ayk Su Aan?
Prof sahib Singh ji explains this mystery in His darpan.

He says Guru nanak ji had a copy of Bhagat Kabir Jis Shabad with him and He composed His Shabad to ELABORATE and expand on what Kabir Ji is saying.

The instruction to SING in GHAR 4 ( Ek suan shabad of Mh 1 in which the GHAR is already specified.

And the EK suan _ doa swannee Naal is Not Dogs of Greed..there are 3 different animals here..One is a Dog and the other 2 are *******...!!
 

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And the EK suan _ doa swannee Naal is Not Dogs of Greed..there are 3 different animals here..One is a Dog and the other 2 are *******...!!
True Gyaniji,
I agree that the English translations have oversimplified this a bit too much. Specific mentions should be preserved in the translations, especially in the case of Gurbani, where every single metaphor carries a meaning of its own.
 

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Kabir says he is the slave dog Moti who goes wherever his master takes him.

I still don't get how this fits "to the tune of one dog" except in the sense - to be of the mind of only one dog, the slave dog, when singing the shabad.
 

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Kabir says he is the slave dog Moti who goes wherever his master takes him.

I still don't get how this fits "to the tune of one dog" except in the sense - to be of the mind of only one dog, the slave dog, when singing the shabad.
Spnadmin Jee

In this sabd 'mutiya' does not stand for moti but stray or orphaned. It is not necessary that dog has only moti name, some are called by puppy.

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Spnadmin Jee

In this sabd 'mutiya' does not stand for moti but stray or orphaned. It is not necessary that dog has only moti name, some are called by puppy.

best regards
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japsahibji

Yes... I do agree with all you have said.
'mutiya' does not stand for moti but stray or orphaned.
The reason I added my thoughts about Moti (in a different shabad by Kabir ji) comes from the uncertainty regarding the meaning of "tune of one dog." This particular "dog" may not be the dog of uncontrollable greed we usually find in Gurbani metaphors, because that metaphor does not fit with the shabad. The image of Moti does not fit with the dog of uncontrollable greed either. In Gurbani, "dog" does not always point to greed. There are 2 exceptions.

The tune of one dog may be a musical expression or an idea of unifying two minds in one house. No one seems to be certain about this. My advice to aristotle ji is to write to the Gurmat Sangeet Project in Patiala to get a musicologist opinion on this.
 

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According to Dr. Gurcharan Singh Talib ਏਕੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਕੈ ਘਰਿ ਗਾਵਣਾ can be explained as follows:
This is a musical direction to sing this composition in the same tune as Ek Suwan dui Suwani by Guru Nanak Dev in sri Raag ante
I should have thought to check Dr. Talib sooner. He is using a transliteration that is unusual, but Suwan is ਸੁਆਨੁ .

This is the second tuk for comparison

ਏਕੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਦੁਇ ਸੁਆਨੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥
Ėk su▫ān ḏu▫e su▫ānī nāl.
The dogs of greed are with me.
Full shabad is in mehla1, ghar 4 on Ang 24 (which btw you had already noted).

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ੪ ॥
Sirīrāg mėhlā 1 gẖar 4.
Siree Raag, First Mehl, Fourth House:

ਏਕੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਦੁਇ ਸੁਆਨੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥
Ėk su▫ān ḏu▫e su▫ānī nāl.
The dogs of greed are with me.

ਭਲਕੇ ਭਉਕਹਿ ਸਦਾ ਬਇਆਲਿ ॥
Bẖalke bẖa▫ukahi saḏā ba▫i▫āl.
In the early morning, they continually bark at the wind.

ਕੂੜੁ ਛੁਰਾ ਮੁਠਾ ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ ॥
Kūṛ cẖẖurā muṯẖā murḏār.
Falsehood is my dagger; through deception, I eat the carcasses of the dead.

ਧਾਣਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਰਹਾ ਕਰਤਾਰ ॥੧॥
Ḏẖāṇak rūp rahā karṯār. ||1||
I live as a wild hunter, O Creator! ||1||

ਮੈ ਪਤਿ ਕੀ ਪੰਦਿ ਨ ਕਰਣੀ ਕੀ ਕਾਰ ॥
Mai paṯ kī panḏ na karṇī kī kār.
I have not followed good advice, nor have I done good deeds.

ਹਉ ਬਿਗੜੈ ਰੂਪਿ ਰਹਾ ਬਿਕਰਾਲ ॥
Ha▫o bigṛai rūp rahā bikrāl.
I am deformed and horribly disfigured.

ਤੇਰਾ ਏਕੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਾਰੇ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥
Ŧerā ek nām ṯāre sansār.
Your Name alone, Lord, saves the world.

ਮੈ ਏਹਾ ਆਸ ਏਹੋ ਆਧਾਰੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Mai ehā ās eho āḏẖār. ||1|| rahā▫o.
This is my hope; this is my support. ||1||Pause||

Shabad continues....


ਏਕੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਕੈ ਘਰਿ ਗਾਵਣਾ
(sing to the tune of one dog) appears on Ang 91. The shabad by Bhagat Kabir ji is also in sri Raag, as we have noted. However, it has no 'ghar.' Thus, we are told go back to ਏਕੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਦੁਇ ਸੁਆਨੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥ Ėk su▫ān ḏu▫e su▫ānī nāl. on Ang 24 which is in ghar 4. That means Char Taal (or 4 Taalees and 12 Maatraas). Now the raagi will know how to play it. Gyani ji said this earlier, but now we have the specifics. Both the shabad by Guru Nanak ji and the shabad by Bhagat Kabir ji will be played in Char Taal. And one shabad will echo the other. You had all the clues.
 

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BUT.....why the length to go an write the whole TUK from the Shabad..instead of simply writing "GHAR 4" ??? Imho, Guru Jis intends us to KEEP THAT SHABAD IN MIND...while reading this one..and thus Guru Arjun Ji emphasizes that BOTH Bhagat Kabir Ji and Guru nanak Ji SHARE their thoughts on the subject tackled by these two SHABADS. Elsewhere Guru Nanak ji sahib and Sheikh farid ji share another shbad..About the time needed to make a BOAT to cross the Ocean...where Guru nanak ji elaborates on shabad by Farid Ji..

I think THAT is the reason for the instruction of singing via quote of entire TUK rather than just Ghar 4. IF Not for this instruction..the two shabads would remain far apart becasue the Bani is arranged such that Guru Nanak jis compositions come at the beginning whle Bhagat bani comes at the End..in this way Guru Arjun ji LINKS the two sections !!!..a sort of CROSS REFERENCE.

2. Second point to note is HOW Guru Arjun Ji has also ADDED shabads and Sloks by Guru Amardass Ji, and His own..to Sloks of Kabir Ji and Sheikh farid Ji. These sloks/shabds by the Guru Sahibs serve to Explain or elaborate on the ideas expressed by the Sheikh sahib or Kabir sahib Ji. AS per the USUAL Arrangement followed by Guru Arjun Ji..sloks/shbads by the GURUs should be at the Beginning and bahgat bani should be at the conclusion.

These are two examples of Linking/cross references provided by Guru Arjun ji in SGGS.
 

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What you are saying makes sense because most of the shabads throughout Sri Raag do not have a ghar mentioned. Therefore, for Guru ji to make a point of giving the ghar and making the point of naming the tuk of a particular shabad that comes ante (or before) has to be deliberate. He is saying these are a set, a pair, that belong together musically and conceptually. It is too striking to be otherwise.
 

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