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Source: Its chief at the centre of a row, Dera Sacha Sauda spreads its wings - IndianExpress.Com

Its chief at the centre of a row, Dera Sacha Sauda spreads its wings


The Indian Express - NAVJEEVAN GOPAL
Wednesday, June 25, 2008

The Sirsa-based Dera Sacha Sauda has made the headlines for all the wrong reasons in the past one year but this has not affected the sect in spreading its tentacles across India. Over the years, the religious body has brought in its fold people from all sections of the society regardless of caste, creed, race and religion and now boasts of a following of 2.25 crore.

The controversy surrounding the sect sparked off in May 2007 with the Dera chief Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh allegedly imitating Guru Gobind Singh in a ceremony that emulated the creation of the Khalsa. Soon after he was charged with raping a disciple and murdering two men, including a journalist.

The Dera chief got into a fresh row recently after a youth was killed and two others were injured when his bodyguard opened fire on Sikh protesters in Mumbai on June 20.

“Before the Dera row started, we had been constructing houses for the poor — almost 10 to 15 per year for the last 10 years in Bathinda district alone. The poor people associated with Dera get spiritual as well as monetary benefits,” said Gurdev Singh, president of Bathinda block level committee of the sect.

The Dera activities include construction of houses for the poor on the recommendation of Dera committee heads at the village level, block level and district level. The organization also organises eye and blood donation camps. By registering 15,432 blood donors at a camp in Sirsa in December 2003 it had made it to the Guinness Book of World Records and broke its own record in October 2004 with 17,921 blood donors at a camp in Sriganganagar.

The Dera Sacha Sauda has about 50 Deras in 19 states in India. In Punjab, there are three Deras, the largest being Salabatpura, spread over 100 acres. Besides, it has a number of Naam Charcha Ghar (Religious Discourse Houses) across the country. Punjab, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Himachal Pradesh are among the main states where Dera has a huge following.

Dr Aditya Insan, the sect’s spokesperson, said the religious body today has a following of 2.25 crore who are registered with the Dera for meditation.

Free health and educational facilities attract the poor from all sects and cast to its fold. But, most importantly it appeared to be the identity crisis among the lower strata of society that helped Dera get a huge following. The neglected, looked down upon and alienated lower classes of different religions got an identity after coming to the Dera, say experts.

“The lower strata of society strive for an identity and that well explains the Dera Sacha Sauda mass base of landless laborers,” said Parmod Kumar, director of Chandigarh-based Institute of Development and Communication. “Another reason for the people’s shift towards the Dera culture is that the dominant religions do not change with time and Punjab has been a place where the atmosphere is congenial for the emergence of new religions,” added Kumar.

“Most are from the mobile population that does not have much faith in religion and adopting to the Dera culture is easier for them, as they believe in so called living gods. The weekly congregations, which they consider a world away from their world of problems give solace to their minds,” observed Dr R S Sandhu, Head of the Department of Political Science in Guru Nanak Dev University in Amritsar.

Experts believe that Dera’s initiative to pursue people to abstain from all kinds of drugs has also appealed to the rural women, who feel that coming in the Dera fold was the best way to keep their husbands away from drugs.

The Dera managements claims no Maatha Tikai (monetary offerings) are taken from people except in case of donations for disaster management operations that is undertaken by the religious body.

The Dera management claims agricultural produce from its own fields at Sirsa, which is spread over a sprawling 500 acres, is the only source of money apart from selling products like Sach brand of jams and sauce.

A variety of crops are sown in the Dera land and the majority of it is sold to its followers, who buy the produce considering it as the parsad from the Baba. With the followers offering voluntary service, Dera also never feels the labour problems.
 

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I think main reason of dera's succes is that it approached poor people.Unfortunately all the indian religions are religion of rich people.That's why christian missionaries,Dera sacha sauda are succes because they approach poor persons.If some sikh missionaries instead of fighting over useless issues have tried to approached poors and downtrodden then many many problems of our community would have been solved.
 
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If all that is stated in the news-item is believed to be true, there is no harm if the Dera caries out humanitarian activities. It is doing good service to humanity. If SGPC cannot take a decision let the people decide if they like sikhism or Dera.There is democracy here and Dera is not doing anything under duress or compulsion.
Let SGPC also learn as to how to serve the poor and as to how to take them in fold of sikhism. I do agree with the observations of Kds80 ji as above.
I do not think if SGPC appear as a functional organisation.It is never heard in the news even.
 
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Source: Its chief at the centre of a row, Dera Sacha Sauda spreads its wings - IndianExpress.Com

Its chief at the centre of a row, Dera Sacha Sauda spreads its wings


The Indian Express - NAVJEEVAN GOPAL
Wednesday, June 25, 2008

The Sirsa-based Dera Sacha Sauda has made the headlines for all the wrong reasons in the past one year but this has not affected the sect in spreading its tentacles across India. Over the years, the religious body has brought in its fold people from all sections of the society regardless of caste, creed, race and religion and now boasts of a following of 2.25 crore.

The controversy surrounding the sect sparked off in May 2007 with the Dera chief Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh allegedly imitating Guru Gobind Singh in a ceremony that emulated the creation of the Khalsa. Soon after he was charged with raping a disciple and murdering two men, including a journalist.

The Dera chief got into a fresh row recently after a youth was killed and two others were injured when his bodyguard opened fire on Sikh protesters in Mumbai on June 20.

“Before the Dera row started, we had been constructing houses for the poor — almost 10 to 15 per year for the last 10 years in Bathinda district alone. The poor people associated with Dera get spiritual as well as monetary benefits,” said Gurdev Singh, president of Bathinda block level committee of the sect.

The Dera activities include construction of houses for the poor on the recommendation of Dera committee heads at the village level, block level and district level. The organization also organises eye and blood donation camps. By registering 15,432 blood donors at a camp in Sirsa in December 2003 it had made it to the Guinness Book of World Records and broke its own record in October 2004 with 17,921 blood donors at a camp in Sriganganagar.

The Dera Sacha Sauda has about 50 Deras in 19 states in India. In Punjab, there are three Deras, the largest being Salabatpura, spread over 100 acres. Besides, it has a number of Naam Charcha Ghar (Religious Discourse Houses) across the country. Punjab, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Himachal Pradesh are among the main states where Dera has a huge following.

Dr Aditya Insan, the sect’s spokesperson, said the religious body today has a following of 2.25 crore who are registered with the Dera for meditation.

Free health and educational facilities attract the poor from all sects and cast to its fold. But, most importantly it appeared to be the identity crisis among the lower strata of society that helped Dera get a huge following. The neglected, looked down upon and alienated lower classes of different religions got an identity after coming to the Dera, say experts.

“The lower strata of society strive for an identity and that well explains the Dera Sacha Sauda mass base of landless laborers,” said Parmod Kumar, director of Chandigarh-based Institute of Development and Communication. “Another reason for the people’s shift towards the Dera culture is that the dominant religions do not change with time and Punjab has been a place where the atmosphere is congenial for the emergence of new religions,” added Kumar.

“Most are from the mobile population that does not have much faith in religion and adopting to the Dera culture is easier for them, as they believe in so called living gods. The weekly congregations, which they consider a world away from their world of problems give solace to their minds,” observed Dr R S Sandhu, Head of the Department of Political Science in Guru Nanak Dev University in Amritsar.

Experts believe that Dera’s initiative to pursue people to abstain from all kinds of drugs has also appealed to the rural women, who feel that coming in the Dera fold was the best way to keep their husbands away from drugs.

The Dera managements claims no Maatha Tikai (monetary offerings) are taken from people except in case of donations for disaster management operations that is undertaken by the religious body.

The Dera management claims agricultural produce from its own fields at Sirsa, which is spread over a sprawling 500 acres, is the only source of money apart from selling products like Sach brand of jams and sauce.

A variety of crops are sown in the Dera land and the majority of it is sold to its followers, who buy the produce considering it as the parsad from the Baba. With the followers offering voluntary service, Dera also never feels the labour problems.
ECONOMICS OF THE DERAS :
I wish to clear some plain facts about the mushrooming growth of Deras especially in Punjab . The mother of this is elecoral politics . It is a known fact that in Indian elections votes r sold at a price to political parties , however the exact modus operandi is unclear to many . This is how it works :
There r following political elections held in all states but rates mentioned r specific to Punjab only ; 1. Panchayat Elections , Rate per vote is 5000- 7000 Indian rupees for election of Panches , a furthur expense of 1000/ per vote is incurred to buy Panches for election of the Sarpanch . 2 Block Samiti Elections : Rate per vote is 1000-2000 , liquor bottles , Poppy husk & few hunderes rupees do the trick 3 . Muncipal Committee Elections : Rate is again 1000 - 2000 per vote , same means r used for diostribution 4 . Muncipal Corporation Elections ( For Big Cities ) : Rate is 2000-2500 per vote for electing councillors , a furthur expense of 500 is made for electing Mayor . 5 . Lok Sabha Elections : Rate is 1000-2000 per vote . 6 . Assembly Elections : This is the mother of all elections . Rate is 6000- 8000 per vote , morover the winner takes the all important Chief Minister Ship chair . So in total a vote costs ( Earns ) Rs 16,000 - 25000 ( 400 USD to 625 USD ) in all 5 years . All the Deras , all they have to do is to invite some political leader to some big SATSANG & that political leader pays his RESPECTS to Dera Chief in front of DEVOTEES The leader gets the unusual big crowd , the public gets to see the amount of CLOUT OF BABAJI & to top it all the BABAJI gets his DUE SHARE proportionately . Each vote multiplied by 16,000 to 25,000 Rupees . This BOOTY is in the form of CASH & KIND like land allotment , posting of police officers teachers , health workers , transfers of various officials to PLUM places . Some months back Radha Soami Satsang Beas came to light when they GRABBED a prime real eastate land in Mohali worth about 2800 - 3,000 Crores ( 700 Million USD ) in Mohali for peanuts . The ruckus in press & media forced them to forego 50 % of that land . Still they got to keep land woth 350 Million US Dollars . The Sacha Sauda DeraChief had his Brother In Law ( Harminder Singh Jassi ) a Congress Ticket from Bhatinda superseding Surinder Singla & a promise of withdrawl of CBI enquiry against him various cases of rape , Murdur etc . In 2002 Sonia Gandhi visited RSS Beas just before elections at Beas headquarter & spent a full day there to inagaurate an EYE DONATION CAMP alonwith Natwar Singh , Amarinder Singh , Murli Deora among others . On 30th March , 2008 , LK Advani visited Maharaj Gurinder Singh , Dera head at RSS , Beas . According to known eyewitnesses , the Baba saluted Advani while greeting him . The Akais r also playing this game of FAITH & POLITICS albiet differently . The so called Panthic Party SAD ( Badal ) has a SECULAR CONSTITUTION under which it fights SGPC elections . It treats Sikh votes under the influence of Gurudwaras as a free BONUS VOTE , Ghar di murgi dal barabar . But spends the same rate to get votes from Deras as Congress or now new player in the game BJP . As aresult Deras r wooed by all parties & Deras r rolling in money but traditional Sikh Voter is left high & dry . Gurudwaras get nothing in return , SGPC budget is spent on election rallies & horse trading of SAD ( Badal ) . The preaching of Sikhism is left to Non- Government institutions like Sikh Missionary College , Ludhiana & Guru Gobind Singh Study Circle , Ludhiana . They r not at all helped by Akalis or SGPC financially ., rather hurdles r put in their way . Gurudwaras r controlled by Jats , Dalits r discriminated against in villages . As a result nobody is willing to take the issues of Sikhs , Dera supporters r active in almost every sphere be it Panchayats , Corporations .Some serious introspection is required for revival of Sikhism & slow down this Mushrooming Deras in Punjab
 
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As das with afew similar minded people(not same minded) were there to guide RSS personals about the Sikhs issue.

we have the following statement being made by them about this issue.

Before das posts them das would like to add the Baba Was forced out of Karnataka and soon we may have his Ashram demolished.

We in RSS are opposed to Bala Sahib Thakre and his gimmikery and will soon be issuing some staments(das has old score to be sttled with him for his disrespects to Biharis and noth Indians)Brother Rajkhalsa ji will elaborate this.(Shiv Saink themselves have shown vandlisation,and that is something Mahrashtrian them these Sikhs have followed Mahrshtriyan culture(as most Sikhs are of Mahrshtiryan origion who showed thier grit,So it is internal matter of Mahrashtra).

We have noted dowen the disrespect shown to Hindus by this Baba in question also and in two states in India ruled by RSS,he is having a tought time.In states ruled by BJP we have some limted success.While in states we have coalition success is still less.(for an outside it looks a bit all the same but RSS,BJP and Shiv Sena are greatly difernt).

Last word term terrosits is refred to Gurjant Singh Rajsthani in one statement.Das objected this term for Militants/Freedom fighters.Das was told that this person was planted by GOI to bring dowen the repute of movement run by pious.

refer to the site.

Welcome To Sangat Sansar

Das also requests the panel of moderaters that they are free to delete any thing they find anti Panthic and kindly inform that to das so that he can rectify that mistake.

PROTECTION OF DERA SADH BY HOODA GOVT., A CONGRESS
Now Dera Sadh has reached his Sirsa headquarter. He came to Sirsa by helicopter under heavy security given by Haryana Government. Hooda Govt. has given him protection just to repeat the 13th April 1978 episode, in which 13 Sikhs were killed and that resulted in creating bad political scenario of Punjab. Congress is playing a dangerous game just to garner few vote. With an eye on the general election, they have shaken the hand with devisive forces.Punjab’s Congress leader and ex-chief minister S. Amrinder Singh is the man behind Dera Sadh and anti-Dasam Granth forces. Nehru-vians are bent upon destroying the great philosophy of ‘ KHANDEY KI PAHUL’. Congrss’s second pawn S. Paramjeet Singh Sarna is also playing a tricky game wih the his sole aim to benefit Sonia Gandhi……………And ofcourse , Sonia Gandhi represents those forces, who had converted our Maharaja Dalip Singh ji (the son of Maharaja Ranjit Singh ji) into a Christian.
-JAGJIVAN JOT SINGH ANAND
GURCHARAN SINGH GILL TALKED WITH CM-KARNATAKA AND HOME MINISTER-KARNATAKA
When Paramjeet Singh Sarna have been started playing the ‘ CONGRESS CARD’ by blaming the Karnataka Government of BJP in the episode of Dera Sauda Sadh shootout, national President S. Gurcharan Singh Gill talked with Chief Minister of Karnataka Shri B.S. Yedduruppa and Karnataka Home Minister Dr. V.C. Acharya on telephone and told them his concern about the reactions after the event of shootout. Both C.M. and Home Minister assured him that they will keep vigilant eyes on Dera Sadh and are against his conversion drive. According to Home Minister Dr. V.C. Acharya, if Maharashtra Govt. books Dera Sadh as an accused in the shootout case, Karnataka Govt. will arrest him immediately.
As per latest news Dera Sadh is at his Sirsa Dera.
Without any base, Delhi Gurdwara Management Committee president S. Paramjit Singh Sarna attacked the Karnataka Govt. just to keep his master Sonia Gandhi happy S. Paramjit Singh Sarna should answer the following points-
1. When Maharasthra Govt. did not booked Dera Sadh as an accused in the shootout case, why did Sarna remain silent?
2. When S. Paramjit Singh Sarna was asking for the arrest of Dera Sadh why did he not critise the Maharasthra Govt.?
3. When policemen mercilessly have beaten the agitated Sikhs of Mumbai, why did S. Paramjit Singh Sarna remain silent?
4. When Dera Sadh went for oneday visit to Mysore-Karnataka, S. Paramjit Singh Sarna made a statement against Karnataka Govt. Was it game plan of Sarna to make Sonia Gandhi happy?
5. Why is S. Paramjit Singh Sarna is defending congress as well as in directly supporting Mrs. Sonia Gandhi? Is he a Sikh or a taut of Christian Missionaries?
6. Is Mrs. Sonia Gandhi, Dera Sadh, Amrinder Singh, anti Dasam Granth news paper and S. Paramjit Singh Sarna are working as a group to make situation difficult for Nationalist Sikh Forces.


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Dera Saccha Sauda a statregic weapon of Christian Missionaries

With sole purpose of diverting people of different sects, Dera Saccha Sauda Sadh is helping the forgein aided Christian Missionaries. In the villages of Punjab and Haryana, when a person changes his religion, he is opposed by his family men and whole village. Dera Saccha Sauda is using four symbols-Om, Cross, Moon-Star, Ek Onkar. Now, if somebody joins Dera Saccha Sauda, he will start living under the umberalla of these four symbols. This will be his primary step towards Christianity. In the land of Guru Sahibans, Christian Missionaries have come with a new statregic weapon of Dera Saccha Sauda. Silently converting forgein going Sikh youths and making them PATIT, is their other policy. One should remember that the people of Punjab and Haryana are against the symbols of Cross and Moon-Star.
-JAGJIVAN JOT SINGH ANAND
RASHTRIYA PRAKOSHTH PRAMUKH
SANGAT PRAKASHAN

SAUDA SADH SHOULD BE ARRESTED, LENIENCY MEANS FLITHY POLITICAL DESIGNS: GURCHARAN SINGH GILL
The way bodyguards of Sauda Sadh showered bullets on the Sikhs, beyond doubt
it proves the heinious crime was commited by them. RASHTRIYA SIKH SANGAT
demand the arrest of Sauda Sadh.. Maharashtra government should act responsibly in accordance with the law.
If Haryana Government or any other Govt. machinery gave security to Sauda Sadh, what was the need to have addition private army? TV Channels are showing that his bodyguards were responsible for the shoot-out. There exists a strong prima facie case against Sauda Sadh. The way Maharashtra Government gave safe passage to Sauda Sadh, it indicates the leniency, which shows arrow towards narrow, filthy political designs.
At the same time, RASHTRIYA SIKH SANGAT appeal to the whole society, particular the Sikh masses, to remain peaceful and thrash devisive forces.
GURCHARAN SINGH GILL
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RASHTRIYA SIKH SANGAT


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PAST TERROR-HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF:

Sauda Sadh Ram Rahim had been a side-kick of Gurjunt Singh Rajasthani, a dreaded terrorist during bad phase of Punjab. What happened in Mumbai is just repetition of old terror history of Ram Rahim.
First MTV episode, SINGH IS KING episode¡K..and now Ram Rahim- Sikh clash¡Kat Mumbai. The direction of the vector shows that political scenario of the country is going through a transition period and Nehru-vians are active. Whole Indian society and particularly Sikh masses always follow the path of Guru Sahibans. On other hand,. creating choase by political elements, Nehru-vians want to prove that they are the only ¡¥ Secularists¡¦ and other are just bad people. We should always remember that our philosophy of ¡¥Sanjhiwalta¡¦ is a superior than their so called ¡¥Secularism¡¦. This time ¡¥ Sikhs will prove them wrong in the eyes of the common people.
SABE SAJHIWAL SADAYEN KOI NA DISEY BAHIRA JIO

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NEWS:Sauda clash in Mumbai kills 1,injured2

When few local Sikhs went to Nirmal Lifestyle Mall, they were stoped because Sauda sadh was doing shopping . Sikhs protested against this indiscrimination. A protest in Mulund against Ram Rahim Sauda Sadh spiralled into a violent clash, claiming the life of one agitator on Friday.
Sauda Sadh, who has been the target of Sikh ire after he dressed up as Guru Gobind Singh in May last year was at Nirmal Lifestyle mall when his bodyguards stopped other sikh customers from entering. As a result his path was blocked by Sikh protesters. The standoff intensified when the Dera chief¡¦s bodyguards fired few rounds even as Sadh was whisked away.
One of the protesters, Barkarar Singh, was badly injured and rushed to hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries.Two other also injured.
Sauda Sadh motorcade was intercepted by the police in Panvel. He is holding a camp, where he was headed.
Police Commissioner Hasan Gafoor said a team has been dispatched to arrest the bodyguard. Till now, three bodygauards are arrested. Chief Minister of Punjab Prakash Singh Badal talked with Maharashtra CM Vilasrao Deshmukh.
After the firing, over 1,0000 Sikhs blocked traffic in Bhandup



 
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Frankyl speaking Dera is more sort of commercial orgainsation run with managers and with political back support and alas,in SGPC many of our leaders are semi litrate.Our misioanries are all the more unscintific(while claiming the marxisit apporaoch as scieintific).Who else could fight.

At the most so far we have been sucessful to not this issue be Sikhs v/s Hindus as it happened duirng Niranakaris and turmoil came.But we do not know that till how long we will hold the fort.As large numbe rof Elements in BJP and Arya Samajis intrueded in Sangh,in Punjab may find soft corner for dera guys.Yet so far we are heavy on them.In contrast if we read last month indiaawareness from www.indiaawareness.com ,which is in fact name changed for spokesman,so that it could be sold in Delhi Gurudwaras else Akal Takhat will get and issue agaisnt congress controlled DSGPC(as spokeman has been banned by Akal Takhat for using insulting language for Akal Takhat Sahib and his care takers).From them the opposition towards Dera guys is not that strong and further,they have been telling us to show restraint.Why?

Why they show soft corner towards highly castists and conservative anti Baba Balbeer Singh faction of Nihungs(the same nihungs who still will not share his food with lower castes,while these magzines tell that Sikhism has no caste, once made mockery of Nihungs for having castes)Surprising thing is that one who heads the Budhadal now is Anti Caste and even prfers to install only Guru Granth Sahib Ji in Gurudwaras.Yet he si opposed why?

Reason is simple.
Behind spokeman,Behind Joginder Singh Rakba,Behind Dera of Sirsa ,one person is working.The King Amrinder Singh.

He is having an enqury conducted against him by Natianal level of Congress.REason is his showing autocratic ways and desrespect to stounch congress persons like Smt. Bhattal(she reamained in congress even when Captain /king defeced to Akalis).So king wants that let there be a turmoil.So let Madam Sonia calls him back and by pulling back the strings,he will bring back the peace.This das thinks is the game plam.

Real player hidden behind the scene.
 

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time Has Come For Youth Take Over The Sgpc And Akali Dal, I Encourage Vijaydeep Singh Ji, Dalbirk And Others Who Have Real Concerns Otherwise These Guys Are Selling It Bit By Bit.
 
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Dera Row
‘Inept handling by SGPC, Akal Takht, SAD deepened crisis’
Varinder Walia
Tribune News Service

Amritsar, June 25
Inept handling of the Dera Sacha Sauda issue by the SGPC, Akal Takht and the Shiromani Akali Dal seems to have resulted inthe hijacking of the agenda by radical Sikhs leading to complicating the situation.


Instead of taking a clear stand, the Sikh clerics chose the middle path while discussing the apology tendered by Dera Sacha Sauda chief Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh on May 29 last year at a meeting at Akal Takht secretariat.

Giani Iqbal Singh, Jathedar, Takht Patna Sahib, alleged he was under pressure from Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, Jathedar, Akal Takht, to take a “lenient view” regarding the Dera Sacha Sauda chief. He alleged that Jathedar, Akal Takht, was under pressure from the Akali Dal and the SGPC. Such decisions gave much space to hardliners to hijack the matter.

The Jathedar, Akal Takht, is again abroad. He has not issued any statement urging the community to maintain peace

In an attempt to defuse the Dera Sacha Sauda issue, the Sikh clerics had adopted a midway approach by adopting a Gurmatta that neither rejected nor accepted the apology tendered by the Dera chief for hurting Sikh sentiments at Salabatpura in Bathinda district on May 13 last year. Then the venue was shifted from Akal Takht to Bathinda district by announcing that the call to boycott the Dera made from Takht Damdama Sahib on May 17 would continue. This step on the part of Sikh high priests resulted in ****** incidents because the situation had gone out of control after the Sikh conclave at Damdama Sahib.

Later, Balwant Singh Nandgarh,Jathedar, Takht Damdama Sahib, gave a call to assassinate the Dera Sacha Sauda chief while addressing a gathering on May 19 last year with a view to defusing the situation at the cremation of Kanwaljit Singh, who was killed in firing at Sunam (Sangrur). However, the Jathedar, Nandgarh, was virtually humiliated by Jathedars of other Takhts for not supporting him when he was on dharna on the Rajasthan border in February this year. Finally, Jathedar, Nandgarh, had to lift the dharna because there was no support coming from any quarter though he had announced “Come what may, I will lead the Khalsa March in Rajasthan as announced after the Ardas (prayer)”.

Though the route of the Khalsa March, taken from Fatehgarh Sahib on May 31 last year was shortened at the behest of the SAD though Akal Takht had announced it would culminate in Chandigarh and memorandum would be submitted to Governors of Punjab and Haryana. Instead an ADC to Governor, Punjab reached Fatehgarh Sahib to collect the memorandum.

Now SAD chief Sukhbir Singh Badal has decided to rush to Mumbai tomorrow following the high-level meeting. The saner elements in the community say the situation should be handled in a way it does not go out of control again.
 
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Ds finds Vedanti Sahib,a bit weak Jathedar working in hands of Mr Badal.It is better is Nandgarh Ji are made Jathedar of Akal Takhat Sahib.Or other option could be Bhai Ranjeet Singh Ji.
Das anyway thanks what bro/sis p70 has onwered him.

Well so far das is concerned.We have to educate the masses.In sikhs and outside.Akali Dals and SGPC are all the more part of masses.We need to think globaly and act locally.W need to start preaching of Gurmat from our neighburhood.Akal's willing by next year these problems,if not over,will be reduced.
 
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Frankyl speaking Dera is more sort of commercial orgainsation run with managers and with political back support and alas,in SGPC many of our leaders are semi litrate.Our misioanries are all the more unscintific(while claiming the marxisit apporaoch as scieintific).Who else could fight.

At the most so far we have been sucessful to not this issue be Sikhs v/s Hindus as it happened duirng Niranakaris and turmoil came.But we do not know that till how long we will hold the fort.As large numbe rof Elements in BJP and Arya Samajis intrueded in Sangh,in Punjab may find soft corner for dera guys.Yet so far we are heavy on them.In contrast if we read last month indiaawareness from www.indiaawareness.com ,which is in fact name changed for spokesman,so that it could be sold in Delhi Gurudwaras else Akal Takhat will get and issue agaisnt congress controlled DSGPC(as spokeman has been banned by Akal Takhat for using insulting language for Akal Takhat Sahib and his care takers).From them the opposition towards Dera guys is not that strong and further,they have been telling us to show restraint.Why?

Why they show soft corner towards highly castists and conservative anti Baba Balbeer Singh faction of Nihungs(the same nihungs who still will not share his food with lower castes,while these magzines tell that Sikhism has no caste, once made mockery of Nihungs for having castes)Surprising thing is that one who heads the Budhadal now is Anti Caste and even prfers to install only Guru Granth Sahib Ji in Gurudwaras.Yet he si opposed why?

Reason is simple.
Behind spokeman,Behind Joginder Singh Rakba,Behind Dera of Sirsa ,one person is working.The King Amrinder Singh.

He is having an enqury conducted against him by Natianal level of Congress.REason is his showing autocratic ways and desrespect to stounch congress persons like Smt. Bhattal(she reamained in congress even when Captain /king defeced to Akalis).So king wants that let there be a turmoil.So let Madam Sonia calls him back and by pulling back the strings,he will bring back the peace.This das thinks is the game plam.

Real player hidden behind the scene.
Dear Vijaydeep Singh Ji ,
I have following apprehensions reagrding the following stand of RSS regarding Sikhs :
1 . Sikhs r a part of Hinduism not an independent religion . Sikhs r sons/daughters of Luv & Kush ( who never existed on this Earth , were never born )
2 . The ill quotes regarding Sikh Gurus & Sikhism in general r still there in ' Satyarth Prakash ' written by Dayananad Saraswati , have not been deleted so far ; & r supported by RSS . The stand of Arya Samajis against Sikhs & Punjabi ( Gurmukhi ) language is at the behest of RSS
3 . Sikhs r their enemy no 3 after Muslims & Christians in that order , needed to be taken care of after the other TWO have been dealt with .
4 . Promote anything which is anti - Guru Granth Sahib Ji & anti Sikh Rehat Maryada .
5. The Prakash of Dasham Granth at Patna Sahib & Hazur Sahib , other anti-Gurmat acts like Aarti with lamps , Ringing Bells , Tilak lagana on forehead of Devotees is at the behest of RSS , which is a clear voilation of Sikh Rehat Maryada which says No book other than Guru Granth Sahib Ji can be established aprallel to Guru Granth Sahib Ji in Gurudwaras ( Here I'm not debating whether Bacittar Natak aka Dasham Granth , not Dasham Granth Sahib was written by the tenth master or not ).
6 . The ultimate aim of RSS is the complete annihilation ( Absorbtion ) of Sikhism into Hinduism , as Buddhism was done in 8th to 10 th century & was ultimately driven out of India .
7. The efforts to preach Sikhism amongst the masses in whole of India r undermined by RSS .
8 . Pro RSS channels like CNN-IBN ( Whole TV 18 Group ) , Aaj Tak ( India Today Group ) , Zee News ( Whole Zee Group ) r leaders in distorting the image of Sikhs in media .
9 . The passing of a separate Anand Marriage Act exclusively for Sikhs as in per-1947 period is opposed tooth & nail by RSS , though Congress is ready to do it . Badal is not pushing it due to fear of RSS
10 . Similarly any changes to article 25 Section 2 ( B ) which states Sikhs alongwith Jains & Buddhists as a part of Hinduism is opposed by RSS
Vijaydeep Singh Ji , Can u clarify ur stand on the above .
 
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Six days later, Dera sect slams Balkar's murder
By: Vinod Kumar Menon
Date: 26 Jun, 2008 09:18 AM





Mourning: Sikhs attend the funeral of Balkar Singh. Balkar was allegedly shot dead by bodyguards of Dera Saccha Sauda chief, Baba Ram Rahim. PIC/Sameer Markande


The Dera Saccha Sauda (DSS) management in Sirsa, Haryana, has finally condemned the brutal killing of Balkar Singh (45) outside the Nirmal Lifestyle Mall in Mulund. Balkar was allegedly shot dead by bodyguards of DSS chief, Baba Gurmeet Ram Rahim, on June 20.

Pawan, spokesperson of the DSS, told MiD DAY from Sirsa, "It was an unfortunate incident that should not have taken place. Baba's bodyguards opened fire because they feared the worst. Baba did not know about the incident till he reached his ashram in Kalapur that evening." When asked why the guards did not fire in the air, he did not respond.

Pawan said some anti-Dera protestors had gathered outside the mall and tried to stop his convoy. He had escaped an assassination attempt three months ago, when miscreants attempted to blow off his convoy with RDX near Karnal, Punjab. His bodyguards feared something similar in Mulund and hence opened fire.

The spokesperson also clarified that on the fateful day, the DSS chief did not buy anything for himself. He first went to the Alpha showroom near Andheri and then halted at the Nirmal Lifestyle Mall. He was already in his car (black Tavera) when the incident took place.

The incident

Bodyguards of Baba Ram Rahim apparently opened fire at protestors outside the Nirmal Lifestyle Mall in Mulund. Malkar Singh died in the firing. Mulund was tense as thousands resorted to violence. The Dera chief later went to his ashram in Raigad.
 
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Dear Vijaydeep Singh Ji ,
I have following apprehensions reagrding the following stand of RSS regarding Sikhs :
1 . Sikhs r a part of Hinduism not an independent religion . Sikhs r sons/daughters of Luv & Kush ( who never existed on this Earth , were never born )
Well Puran Singh,Namdharis and one nihungs Baba also said similar things plus a Nirmals Sadh.

They call many people from differnt background and they say such thing.

How can a Sikh be a son or Luv or Kush say if he is converted from a negroid? They never said this but some talked about legacy with Rama of Sikh Gurus.


Das without doubt told them,If in Vachitar Natak Part of Adi Guru Darbar has this thing,this means Guru is telling Hindus to shun the worship of Ram as his faimliy has shuned the worship and worship Akal.

Their persent stand is that,as das told them that Seven of our Gurus who are from Sodi Family as from legacy of Kush,Are from Balmiki an outcaste(Dasham Granth Sahib ,tells in Ram Avtar that Kush was made from kusha(seat) of Valmiki,which also means family of Valmiki).This Dera Cheife also made fun of this thing by saying that if a person could make son from straw(Kusha),why can not he tell Sita whereabout of Luv.(Stroy is that Luv is only son of Rama while Kusha was kept once Valmiki Ji found luv missing).So it is up to us that how do we use old stries to preach our faith and not let other misuse it.In Guru Granth Sahib Ji we have Brahma writing Vedas with 4 heads.If we read it with scintific appraoch,we find it not the 4 heads but 4 faces(Facial expression or bent of mind).
2 . The ill quotes regarding Sikh Gurus & Sikhism in general r still there in ' Satyarth Prakash ' written by Dayananad Saraswati , have not been deleted so far ; & r supported by RSS . The stand of Arya Samajis against Sikhs & Punjabi ( Gurmukhi ) language is at the behest of RSS
Bhai RSS and Arya Samaj are two differnt Things.Das is happy to tell you that Gurukul Kangri of Arya Samaj is under Sikh control while Ramdev ,yoga teacher,an Araya Samaji wants it back.

For Arya Samji Swami Dayanada,hindu term is an abuse.Rss plays Hindutva thing.

Last example about thier differance could be like that.

Their Second head Respected Gowalker,supported Hindus to let them write Punjabi thier mother tongue while Arya Samajis wanted Hindu,Hindi Hindustan.(They often played Hindu card to let foolish Hindus go against Sikhs while they are more Anti Hindus then Sikhs,They abused Sikhs are part of Bad faith ie Hinduism).As a return gesture,Master Tara Singh went to Mumbai for the ceromony of establishement of Hindu Mahsabha.

In Punjab so far Arya Samajis are highjacking the RSS.Say we could say Sants high jack some Sikhs institution .
3 . Sikhs r their enemy no 3 after Muslims & Christians in that order , needed to be taken care of after the other TWO have been dealt with .
Bhai we have one RMM,a muslim wing of RSS.Likewise in Gurdaspurthere is a Christian wings of them also.

They have problem with Anti Hindu,Muslims and Christian.Das is not anti Hindu but Anti Hinduism and they have not prblem with him.RMM(stand for Rastrawadi Muslim Morcha).
4 . Promote anything which is anti - Guru Granth Sahib Ji & anti Sikh Rehat Maryada .
If there are such thing in present with them.Das is happy if yourself point it out and das will eat thier brain to remove that.
5. The Prakash of Dasham Granth at Patna Sahib & Hazur Sahib , other anti-Gurmat acts like Aarti with lamps , Ringing Bells , Tilak lagana on forehead of Devotees is at the behest of RSS , which is a clear voilation of Sikh Rehat Maryada which says No book other than Guru Granth Sahib Ji can be established aprallel to Guru Granth Sahib Ji in Gurudwaras ( Here I'm not debating whether Bacittar Natak aka Dasham Granth , not Dasham Granth Sahib was written by the tenth master or not ).

Patna Sahib Jathedar is more Anti RSS then any out of Five.Belvie this thing of das.Likewise Arti with Lamps etc are dome by both the Budhadal sorry the congress supported Budhadal.Baba Balbeer Singh Ji has stopped this thing in SC/ST run Budhdal which is supported by Akalis.There are acts of Sanatan Sikhs then say RSS.Das has seen Prakash of Guru Granth Sahib Ji only in thier functions and no Tilak or no Lamps etc.

Well one more thing about Tilak,it is in Hajur Sahib,They say that After Tilak was Given to Guru(Guru Granth Sahib),Sikhs were told to use the leftover as they also form the Guru Panth.So Sikh use Tilak as Guru Panth and not as a devotee(Tilak is there in jains and Budhists also for thier own reason,it is more to do with cool sandal in humid and hot deccan then say any faith perhaps).These things are there much before RSS came into exitance.They support Seva Panthis and Baru Sahib Also,who have none like this.

Although das has put an article about differance between Gurudwara and Takhat yet das again wants to say that stool/planquine of Chota Granth is smaller and lower then Bada Granth,in Bihar we since last 300 years use term for Shri Dasham Granth Sahib and Adi Guru Granth Saihb Respectivly.Sikh Rahit Maryada was oppsoing the simultainius keeping of Hindu texts(which Udasis and Nirmalas still do in places)with Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

What das wrote for his being from Budhadal over here about defending some thing which SGPC 's code of conduct does not agrees,while RSS at present has not problem with going after SGPC' code of conduct.It was das who incited them against Ragi Darshan Singh Ji else they said that it is OK have Single Prakash of Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

This is das's personal opinion to not to treat text as idol of one demi god with whom other could not come else taking wak,santokh,prakash,chawar of Guru Granth Saihb Ji also is not writtan in Guru Granth Sahib Ji(das is crossing the limit due to being associated with Nihungs).
6 . The ultimate aim of RSS is the complete annihilation ( Absorbtion ) of Sikhism into Hinduism , as Buddhism was done in 8th to 10 th century & was ultimately driven out of India .
By that time there was ot faith called Hinduism as such.

Budhism is a faihtless idelogy ie do not belive in God(Mahayana is formation of fusing it with Banpa faith,which is Tantric Shaivism of Tibbet(Still in practise))

In tibbet Shaivism still exists and Budhists are ore in Number,Mahayan reamined in Ladhakh,Sikkim and Arunanchal pradesh.

It was Ahinsa or non vilance of Hinyanas wich made them defenceless towards Advaitist and Islamics.

Hinduism itself is weak.It can not kill anyone.But faithless faiths are weaker to it.If we become faithless as communists wants us to be then Hindus may have some power.So it is missionary form of Sikhism which could be gobbled up by Hindus.Das hopes to gobble dowen Hinduism altogather as our God is most powerfull then thier demi gods ,while Budhists had no Gods.
7. The efforts to preach Sikhism amongst the masses in whole of India r undermined by RSS .
Profs are needed that where is it happening and we may take care of it.
8 . Pro RSS channels like CNN-IBN ( Whole TV 18 Group ) , Aaj Tak ( India Today Group ) , Zee News ( Whole Zee Group ) r leaders in distorting the image of Sikhs in media .
IBN stands for international Bapists news,Aaj Tak is run by captilaists.They have been telling that RSS has targeted by these media on behest of west.Zee they claim plays with congress.
9 . The passing of a separate Anand Marriage Act exclusively for Sikhs as in per-1947 period is opposed tooth & nail by RSS , though Congress is ready to do it . Badal is not pushing it due to fear of RSS
10 . Similarly any changes to article 25 Section 2 ( B ) which states Sikhs alongwith Jains & Buddhists as a part of Hinduism is opposed by RSS
Till Last of thier head theyn had problem but know they have changed thier stand.They find better to have a Sikh as minorty commission chairman(see in uttranchal),there is another minortiy act,which even counts Hindus as minority in Punjab and J&K.They strive for common civil code.Ie no sperate laws for Muslims and Christians and let Hindu code be abolished.Das assures you that he will with all his might will not allow any alteration with Anand marriege act.Rather Namdhair lobby feeling proude to bring this form will not let them do this.

Vijaydeep Singh Ji , Can u clarify ur stand on the above .
 

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<<Das hopes to gobble dowen Hinduism altogather as our God is most powerfull then thier demi gods ,while Budhists had no Gods.>>

Seriously Vijaydeep ji

you did not mean this :D
 
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Any true Singh,with mercy of Akal can do this.

If we have our funadamenatals about God cleared in Guru Granth Sahib Ji,then we get to know about the weakness of other demi gods and thier worshipper wide Dasham Granth Sahib JI.

Next is to have offensive mind set.Terms refered to us is lion,sanke(mar/bhujangi),Crocodile(Nihung) all means top of the pyramid.

So to have high spirit in all circumstances,in sorrow and in happyness thanking Akal and having full faith in all action capability of all time visible God.That is the only power we have and that is the ultimate power.Other than that God,all is korh or useless.Akal Bless.
 
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Das is having Bhai Jagjeevanjot Singh present with das at present and das wanted him to clarify about these two points.He is media head of RSS (Sikh Wing) So following will be his relpy

9 . The passing of a separate Anand Marriage Act exclusively for Sikhs as in per-1947 period is opposed tooth & nail by RSS , though Congress is ready to do it . Badal is not pushing it due to fear of RSS
RSS was born on 1925 . In 1950 after the indepandence of India ,the constitution came into exsitance ,that used the term - Secularism in English, PanthNirpeksh(not Dharamnerpeksh) in Hindi.Panth Nirpeksh or pseudo seculrism became a tool of political parties.As per the idelogy of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji,The Sikh uses the term Sanjhiwalta,which is based on the very existance of Akal Purakh.Pseudo secularism/Dharam Nirpeksha is based upon ,the sole factor of vote bank politics.

This pesudo secularism,philosophy of nehruvians was responsible for marrige acts based upon differnt religeons ,Indian Constitituon was takne from the imperail constituion of the Britishers ,if British constitution has one marrige act and do not favor one any one at that time,then what was the need to have a separate marrige act ,this was done only to garner votes from the Muslims,in the case of Hindus,they have htousends of diferant rituals and cultures,which make it to be very difficult as per its application is concerned ,at that time RSS was no body,no body was listening to RSS,only Nehru and Gandhi were important.So the question of seprate Hindu act should have been answered by nehruvians not RSS.

As per My Knowldge,RSS belives that,there should one law for all citizens of India.RSS opposed Muslim marrige act.RSS opposes Hindu marrige act.


10 . Similarly any changes to article 25 Section 2 ( B ) which states Sikhs alongwith Jains & Buddhists as a part of Hinduism is opposed by RSS
your question is totaly wrong.Under artice 25,the Government can not interfere in the matters of miniorities and minority institutions in particular,which was cleverly violated by differnt congress Governments at differnt times.There is no need to write about differnt social groups who comes under which social gruop ,should not be considered by the book of constitution-as per RSS thinking.

This question is a matter of our spritual world.It was a constitutional blunder of Jawahar Lal Nehru wrong fully identified these social groups,seeing from the British point of views.When differnt social gruops were fighting against each other in 1947.During the period of partition of India,then this man - Jawahar Lal Nehru was flirtting with wife of Viceroy Mountbetton . He created this division,just for vote bank politics.RSS is against making policy on the basis of differnt sects of the society including ,differnt sects of Sanatan Dharam(or the main stream hindus).
For further queries yourself could contact Bhai Jagjeevan Jot Singh Ji on the email ID below
jagjivanjot@gmail.com
 

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apologies for query - you are free not to answer,

are you affiliated with RSS?
 

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Any true Singh,with mercy of Akal can do this.

If we have our funadamenatals about God cleared in Guru Granth Sahib Ji,then we get to know about the weakness of other demi gods and thier worshipper wide Dasham Granth Sahib JI.

Next is to have offensive mind set.Terms refered to us is lion,sanke(mar/bhujangi),Crocodile(Nihung) all means top of the pyramid.

So to have high spirit in all circumstances,in sorrow and in happyness thanking Akal and having full faith in all action capability of all time visible God.That is the only power we have and that is the ultimate power.Other than that God,all is korh or useless.Akal Bless.
And that is your Chardi Kala spirit which always shines through in everything you write, and why I read everything you write with immense enjoyment. :wah:
 
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Brother Amar Sanghera JI,

Das was affliated with them since 1989 to say 1999.Duirng 1998,he became Sikh so slowly moved away from them and stayed with two rival Sikh gruops,one lead by S. Surjeet Singh Ji missioanry and latter on with Bhai Harbans Singh of Patiala.(Similar accociation were and still are there with Sikh Missioanry Collage Ludhiana and Nirmalas).

It was only during 2007,after joining Budhadal,das sent to RSS by factions rival to Baba Balbeer Singh ,our present Mukhi,on the pretext that as RSS is upper caste institution,and as per them das is also from upper caste,so das should use his old history to let RSS presurise Mr Badal,to stop the support to out caste Baba Balbeer Singh Ji.

Das did go to RSS,has he not gone then they(the rival faction) would have used some other channel(BM Sharam ,prem Singh Sher).Das himself was fed up with castism in Budhadal and had full support to Baba Balbeer Singh Ji.So he went into RSS(Sikh Wing) and motivated them to support Baba Balbeer Singh Ji with full might.(this lead to rival Budhadal faction becoming thirsty of das's blood).

Since then RSS,has been taking inputs from das about thier policy decision,and das is also giving them input from rest of the Sangat,that how shoudl they function.Then das is also keeping in views various publications dome by them,to see if they are as per mainstream Sikhism.(it always does not mean that they follow what das says,das can only suggest them and they act as they deem fit).

So Answer is yes.But RSS is not the only institituion with which das is working.

anyway coming back to Sacha Sauda thing.Since last year,RSS(Sikh Wing and main wing) was against Sirse Wala Baba.So das did not contribute any thing in that.

Das has so far tried to bring peple from missionaries and AKJ in contact with think tank of RSS.To know Sikhs,Nirmalas or Namdharis could only misguide them.
 

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