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Facebook Malaya Samachar Editorial:30th Of November

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  1. Chaan Pardesi

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    FACE BOOK Malaya Samachar EDITORIAL:30th of November.

    Chan Pardesi ji Please give us a url or link to the original so we do not tempt charges of plagiarism. It will not matter if someone does not have a Facebook account. They can read the article here, and Facebook will still get the credits. Thanks, spnadmin

    The issues below are related mainly to the Sikhs in Malaysia, but we

    believe Sikh communities across the globe probably face similar

    challenges and destructive actions among the youth.


    Recently, one of our readers, Sr Veerin Singh asked a very pertinent

    question,He argued that we are a small community.Many of our youth

    are indulging in soul, mental and body destroying activities.Many take

    to smoking, drugs and alcohol.They go out and indulge into immoral

    activities like night clubs, prostitution visiting and binge parties,

    where taking body destructing drugs are the norm and buzz activities.

    Many then get involved in fights,accidents and gang warfare.Some go

    home, beat up the children.Beat up the wife, give grieve and make grave

    threats against aged parents and other relatives.They destruct those

    around them with their own dysfunctional lives and activities.They

    influence others, abuse others and abuse themselves.The abuse just

    does not simply effects them individually but whole extended families

    and communities.Sometimes their bad and negative actions affect the

    local Gurduaras as well.

    When faced with no money to finance their negatives habits and

    actions, they resort to criminal activities first on a small scale than

    it grows wider.They steal from parents the meagre earnings or

    savings, they pawn the poor wife's little jewellary

    WE cannot disagree at all with this is happening.Though Veerin Singh did not use as

    many words, his message was understood and appreciated.The gist of his

    plea and argument was understood and well received by the three member

    editorial panel and two adminstrators.There a lot of todays evil truth

    in what he spoke about and it certainly is a very grave issue that

    should concern the whole community , rising above any factional,

    jathebandi,and sikh philosophical views and divisions.

    His question was:Is it not better these youth go to ANY Naam Simran

    group, Jatha or Gurduara and get involed in proactive activities and

    actions and learn about Sikhi and God, than dying out on the roads, and

    life of destruction.

    Again, we CANNOT disagree at all with him in principle and as short

    term solution. given our history.We believe it is better than the

    scenario we, on his prompt, have outlined in the first three

    paragraphs of this editorial.

    WE agree,It is better the youth get involved in Naam Simran, either

    through simple Gurduara and sadh sangat, or through facilitated groups

    by Sikh learned, or through the jathas that claim Sikhi persuasion

    openly.IT will save many lives and families from destruction and death

    and pain.No doubt about that.

    But, we have a question for Veerin Singh JI, perhaps he can help find a

    solution too.If we look back in Sikh history, but as history requires a

    lot of time and we dont have that, so we will skim through quickly,

    Sikh religion is an all compassing religion.It continues to be even

    today through a clearly defined parameter .The proof in the pudding can

    be seen that it welcomes all to its Gurduaras.It encompases all types

    who call themselves Sikhs.It welcomes the Khalsa, Gursikh, Sikh, Patit

    Sikhs, Sehajdhari Sikhs, even the hinud groups who profess Sikh

    religion and never take the amritpaan.Many Muslims too revere The Sikh

    gurus and parts of Sikh religion if not the whole.In principle it is a

    very inclusive religion, though it has very clearly defined pillars of

    the faith that can never be questioned nor shaken off.These are Kirrt

    Kamaai, Wand Shakna, Naam Japna,through guidance Guruship of the Guru

    Granth Sahjib; and work to lead the life of sant sipahi-khalsa in karni

    and kathni [in practice & deeds].Included in this core principles is

    the issue of identity and service with humilty to humanity.Period.No

    two way questions about this.

    Sikh history accepted all the above groups and individuals as part of

    its domain.Sehadharis came from Sind and other provinces, Nirmala, and

    Udasi,patits and Sikhs and Gursikhs and and hindus who professsed to be

    Sikhs were an inclusisve entity.But whta then hapapned these various

    groups started to enforce and create their versions of practices, some

    of which were totally alien to Gurbani.Others like Udasi and Nirmalas

    seeing that money comes when brahmin type practices are intoruduced,

    began their own rituals, that were never part of Gurbani.These groups

    took over main historical Gurduaras , and also introduced statute

    worship.Even Harmander Sahib had hindu devtas lined up everyhwere,

    and these were ONLY removed around 1930s.

    Because suddenly it dawned upon caring Sikh intellectuals that Sikhi

    was being erased slowly and polluted through shadowing means by

    nefarious individuals with nefarious agendas.The mahant of Nankana

    Sahib along with many others elsewhere wanted to ensure the Sikh

    Gurduaras remain their personal domain and wealth.Thus these educated sikhs felt there was a need

    for Singh sahba Movement, a SRM to codify the SIKH practices based upon

    Gurbani.Thus many people became aware that not all groups were doing

    it rightly, many had their personal agendas in brainswashing people

    with little things and subtle changes to Gurbani.That was the basis

    small groups were rejected and total Panthic agenda was delivered,

    which some even today without evidence claim was only a draft, because

    they have probably attended one such small group and been brainwashed

    into rejecting total Sikh panthic Unity agenda, that took almost 18

    years based upon GURBANI,Sikh historical facts and factual sikh history

    and establsished precedents to conclude and finalised.

    So ask yourslves, how can such small groups that came about years later

    claim to have the original practices and knowledges, often based upon

    the heresay of their group leader, who has probaly died many years

    before.The Punjab of 1930/40s and 50s may accept this utter nonsense claims , as people were not

    educated.But with education today, these people may still attempt to

    feed unsupported lies as their facts, is bound to be questioned by

    those who can reason, but it is followed blindly by those who have no

    capacity to reason.That is the simple defining line.

    Elsewhere little men 'ambitious'with personal grandoise minds ; men

    with little education started off their own deras.Some stole names of

    historical deras and started claiming ownership and originality.One

    like the Jatha Chowk Mehta in Amritsar, 250 miles away from Damdama

    Sahib began claiming to be damdami.Another like the AKJ, who only

    emerged after the death of Bhai Randhir Singh ji in about 1943, now

    claim their maryada is original from the Gurus.Then we have numerous

    others claiming all sorts by mere word of mouth that they dispense to

    those that visit them and soon whole families , villages and towns are

    carrying this word of mouth around and began believing the false to be

    truth!It is said if one lies enough times, people will start believing


    that stage the SIKH population was largely uneducated and all

    information was passed through word of mouth or through village

    gurduaras or the little schools attached to these Gurduaras.Many had

    perhaps read the Guru Granth sahib, and could even recite verbally,

    but what they had learnt was what they were told.Their education was

    not based upon explorative mind and logical questioning and

    understanding.When such types are confronted and asked to explain, they

    not only cannot epxlain but they get angry and resort to gutter

    language.Ifthey answer at all; they say who are we to question the Gurus?

    Questioning the existence of a jatha 250 miles away from Damdama sahib

    claiming the title damdami is hardly questioning the GURU JI?or can

    these people not understand the language and words?We have not come

    across anyone who has questioned anything from the Guru Ji, Guru Granth


    When they are asked how did AKJ claim authority over the rest of the

    panth, when it only emerged in 1943, they say it was Bhai Randhir Singh

    ji who says so.But Bhai Randhir Singh never said he had any authority

    OVER the panth anywhere.He followed the sikhya of Guru Granth sahib.He was not a Guru.The

    panth started in 1469, [or when Guru Nanak ji was 30],Bhai Randhir

    Singh preached ONLY Gurbani all his life[between 1904 and 1943] and

    dedicated his life to fight against colonialism.He never started any AKJ

    jatha.So where did this JATHA come from?Some ambitious followers

    decided to sat it up, as the name of Bhai Randhir Singh would offer

    him/them the personal fame they were/was after ...How does that then make

    it superior to the Sikh Panth that already existed since 1469?There

    are many such stories.They dont have answers and dont like being questioned.

    Locally we see this with Baba Sohan Singh Ji.He dedicated his life to

    sewa and Sikhi from Guru Granth sahib.He was a very simple man who was

    staunch believer of Gurbani .Anyone who met him , was given the support

    to understand Gurbani and nothing BUT GURBANI.Gurbani and Gurbani.But

    these days many are attaching miracles, pilgramges etc ect and what

    goes ,on which we rather not comment upon.

    However, we hope no Sikh will indulge in any vices that destroys

    her/him, his/her relatives,community and town.To fight these vices

    from destroying our youth, we may not need any religious Sikh group, we

    just need lots of education,enlightenment and awareness through a joint

    community effort collected solely for this purpose alone.History tells

    us involving the sikh religious groups may just carry on promoting

    their own agendas under guise of Sikhi, youth and welfare of the

    community and result in further continued divisions.We recognise that

    some do not fall within this category.But lately largely very fanatical

    elements have emerged.

    With such issues having been happened and undermined the Sikhs and

    religion, how does Sr Veerin Singh proposes we address the issues

    without diluting the Sikh religion and its unique identity.Because the

    groups who point blank refuse to adopt the total Sikh Unity agenda are

    bound to cause more issues and problems and divisions, if not through

    accidents than fights and quarrels.Basically,sadly Sr Veerin Singh in

    this un-ideal world, we are caught between the deep blue sea and the


    Only Sache Paatshah Guru Ji may be able to change our destiny, despite

    all our anger and frustration.But like Guru Gobind Singh says, grant me

    thy boon, so I will never refrain from fighting the righteous , is the

    only hope we can carry on with and support all positive actions to

    unite, save the youth and the identity and sikh religion.
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    Chaan Pardesi

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    NO chance of plagarism accusations.Be Assured.
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    I understand. welcomekaur cheerleader :)
  5. aristotle

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    My family folks used to speak all the time about 'Malaya' and how many people from our distant relations were settled over there. Never got to have any interaction with 'em. But what all I gather from the Internet, Malaysian Sikhs are quite an impressive lot!
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  6. spnadmin

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    Yes they are. And we have a rocking bunch writing here at SPN too japposatnamwaheguru:
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