Actually you are doing exactly what you are accusing others, not answering but keep beating around the bush by coming up with more verses fits in Sikhism. Calling historical description, a metaphor and then taking u turn by calling it a myth.
Bhai sahib
You are not speaking truth above.rather you are lying repeatedly.Below is my first reply to you.Please read and know i wrote it as Myth.
Question by pk70
You claim to read Dasam Granth throughly, explain me the way this earth came into existence as per Dasam Granth and as per Satguru Nanak ji. Why Satguru would give a ridiculous story about the earth when Satguru shatters doubts about it in Jap Ji you guys have no solid proof. What is hapening here is supporting pur blind faith even though even though about whom this advocay is in progress, stood against these things and protected Satgur Nanak panth. Because of this kind of support for Dasam Granth( writings Satguru never wrote), RSS and other agencies are proving Satguru to be worshipper of Durga etc which was denied Satguru himself while he wrote letter of victory. Come on, give me any scientific or historical proof? Just bashing the question can take us no where.
Answer by Inder singh
Earth in both Granths came into existence in a similar way.Give me the quotes you are referring to.Don't blame lack of your understanding of myths on dasam Granth.
The people who oppose Dasam granth are playing into hands of RSS.RSS will never support Granth that brings their Gods and Goddesses to human level and put them under command of Akal purakh.Read below beginning of Chandi Charitra.What other proof you want when everything is written in the composition itself.
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Can you see this and stop the distortion.Later i wrote in general that to understand Dasam Granth one should be able to understand myths,metaphors,similes and Symbolism.
Secondly, at amrit ceremoney a sikh is not asked to recite those obscene verses as you just said. Why even have you mentioned it. Discussion needs a reasonable mind not a judgemental mind. I am not running, I have seen, whenever you have no supporting point, you draw your amritdhari sword and start giving references to people about whom I do not give a damn.Thirdly it was you who misunderstood the application of metaphor, now you are coming up with a Guru waak using krishna word and dreaming I would take its meaning different wa
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I never said that one recites verses from Chariropakhayan in amrit ceremoney.These are stories that were retold by guru ji to impart a moral lesson.But a person like you is writing two lines and leaving the next two lines.It amounts to lying and propaganda.
Example of that verse is necessary from SGGS ji to tell ignorant persons that literal meaning should not be taken.
Fourthly, you write to namjap that you answered the questions and there is no mention of it by the gentleman( Thanks). Well, read your posts and mine and judge yourself( if you are blessed with reason and logic), you will see how much you just ignore. Look in the last post I put before my decision to close it. I gave a list of points that doubts some of compositions were written by Satguru. Your reaction, a complete silence on that; however, your habit of accusing others never decreases in any context whether it is about a question about Dasam Granth or about your accusation.
So why to waste a time with an amritdhari having no patience and is grossly involved in accusations.
So its not running away, it is like leaving a shop where there is no substance one is looking for.
Last, I explained why I cannot agree with your views and call the whole dasam granth authored by Dasam Patshah with a hint that this can lead people to give equal status of Guru to Dasam Granth too. Your answer, accusation: hidden agenda!
No offence, you just cannot keep the discussion healthy with a substance.
I am out of it.
WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH[/quote]
You had following queries
1 Creation of world is not correct in dasam granth
2 Mention of name of bhagwati being Devi is given
3 Selective quote out of context from Charitropakhayan
4 Durga being worshipped by guru ji
Have not all the above questions been answered with quotes from dasam granth itself.Certainly these have been.I did not state anything wrong.But you never acknowledged the answers and kept quiet.
you and me do not decide the status of Dasam granth.We have akal takhat who decides such issues.They have already decided its status and that is why Hukamnama is there to call its opponents as mischief mongers.
To clarify more on Durga,i give below
ਪਉੜੀ ॥
पउड़ी ॥
PAURI
ਖੰਡਾ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੈ ਸਾਜ ਕੈ ਜਿਨ ਸਭ ਸੈਸਾਰੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥
खंडा प्रिथमै साज कै जिन सभ सैसारु उपाइआ ॥
At first the Lord created the double-edged sword and then He created the whole world.
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਦਾ ਖੇਲੁ ਰਚਾਇ ਬਣਾਇਆ ॥
ब्रहमा बिसनु महेस साजि कुदरति दा खेलु रचाइ बणाइआ ॥
He created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and then created the play of Nature.
ਸਿੰਧੁ ਪਰਬਤ ਮੇਦਨੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਥੰਮ੍ਹਾ ਗਗਨਿ ਰਹਾਇਆ ॥
सिंधु परबत मेदनी बिनु थम्हा गगनि रहाइआ ॥
He created the oceans, mountains and the earth made the sky stable without columns.
ਸਿਰਜੇ ਦਾਨੋ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਤਿਨ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਬਾਦੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥
सिरजे दानो देवते तिन अंदरि बादु रचाइआ ॥
He created the demons and gods and caused strife between them.
ਤੈ ਹੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੈ ਦੈਤਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਾਇਆ ॥
तै ही दुरगा साजि कै दैता दा नासु कराइआ ॥
O Lord! By creating Durga, Thou hast caused the destruction of demons.
ਤੈਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਰਾਮ ਲੈ ਨਾਲ ਬਾਣਾ ਦਹਸਿਰੁ ਘਾਇਆ ॥
तैथों ही बलु राम लै नाल बाणा दहसिरु घाइआ ॥
Rama received power from Thee and he killed Ravana with arrows.
ਤੈਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਲੈ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੀ ਪਕੜਿ ਗਿਰਾਇਆ ॥
तैथों ही बलु क्रिसन लै कंसु केसी पकड़ि गिराइआ ॥
Krishna received power from Thee and he threw down Kansa by catching his hair.
ਬਡੇ ਬਡੇ ਮੁਨਿ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਕਈ ਜੁਗ ਤਿਨੀ ਤਨੁ ਤਾਇਆ ॥
बडे बडे मुनि देवते कई जुग तिनी तनु ताइआ ॥
The great sages and gods, even practising great austerities for several ages;
ਕਿਨੀ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੨॥
किनी तेरा अंतु न पाइआ ॥२॥
None could know Thy end.2.
Chandi di vaar,Dasam granth
