Nature Bad News For Vegetarians! Plants Can ‘hear’ Themselves Being Eaten - And Become Defensive When Attac

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Researchers from the University of Missouri found plants respond to attack
They discovered the sound of caterpillars eating made them more defensive
Plants that heard caterpillar sounds released more mustard oils, which are unappealing to caterpillars and thus ward them off
But plants that heard the wind, despite having a similar acoustic sound, knew not to waste their defensive capabilities
This suggests plants are able to identify sounds in their environment


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Gyani Jarnail Singh

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Guru nanak ji already settled that 500 years ago when He wrote..OH Man..you have absolutley NO IDEA as to what constitutes Vege and what constitutes Non_vege....... Kaun...Maas Kaun Saag kehaveh....You see the SUPERFICIAL differences..you argue and you rant..that the ghaas eater is holier than the meat eater..But ALL Food is Food...ha ha...The Gazelle has to be the Fastest to escape being eaten..the LION has to catch the SLOWEST gazelle...its cycle of life...:winkingkudi:
 

Tejwant Singh

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Anything distracting a Sikh from Nitnem, meditation shud be quitted be it food - veg / non veg

http://www.sadhsangat.com/8/

itsmeet ji,

Guru Fateh,

First please explain Nitnem and meditation and what modus operandi do you use for them?

FYI, there is no such thing as meditation as per Sikhi. Gurbani in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru talks about our MANN thousands of time, which means one to create thought process through Gurbani so it can become one's second nature via deeds.

Secondly, I went to the site you posted and the particular URL, it does not mention anything that you claim and most of the saloks are misinterpreted just to forward some non Sikhi agenda which the author may only know about.

Lastly, you above claim makes no sense because one can only do Nitnem or "meditate" without feeling the pangs of hunger in one's tummy.

Regards

Tejwant Singh
 
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ੴ ਸਤਿਗ੝ਰ ਪ੝ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
Ik oankar satgur parsad.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
ਸਲੋਕ ਮਹਲਾ ੯ ॥
Salok mohala 9.
Salok, Ninth Mehl:
ਗ੝ਨ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਗਾਇਓ ਨਹੀ ਜਨਮ੝ ਅਕਾਰਥ ਕੀਨ੝ ॥
Gun gobind gĝio nahī janam akĝrath kīn.
If you do not sing the Praises of the Lord, your life is rendered useless.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਭਜ੝ ਮਨਾ ਜਿਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਜਲ ਕਉ ਮੀਨ੝ ॥੧॥
Kaho Nĝnak har bhaj manĝ jih bidh jal kao mīn. ((1))
Says Nanak, meditate, vibrate upon the Lord; immerse your mind in Him, like the fish in the water. ((1))
ਬਿਖਿਅਨ ਸਿਉ ਕਾਹੇ ਰਚਿਓ ਨਿਮਖ ਨ ਹੋਹਿ ਉਦਾਸ੝ ॥
Bikhian sio kĝhe rachio nimakh na hohi udĝs.
Why are you engrossed in sin and corruption? You are not detached, even for a moment!
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਜ੝ ਹਰਿ ਮਨਾ ਪਰੈ ਨ ਜਮ ਕੀ ਫਾਸ ॥੨॥
Kaho Nĝnak bhaj har manĝ parai na jam kī fĝs. ((2))
Says Nanak, meditate, vibrate upon the Lord, and you shall not be caught in the noose of death. ((2))
ਤਰਨਾਪੋ ਇਉ ਹੀ ਗਇਓ ਲੀਓ ਜਰਾ ਤਨ੝ ਜੀਤਿ ॥
Ŧarnĝpo eo(n) hī gaio līo jarĝ tan jīt.
Your youth has passed away like this, and old age has overtaken your body.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਜ੝ ਹਰਿ ਮਨਾ ਅਉਧ ਜਾਤ੝ ਹੈ ਬੀਤਿ ॥੩॥
Kaho Nĝnak bhaj har manĝ aodh jĝt hai bīt. ((3))
Says Nanak, meditate, vibrate upon the Lord; your life is fleeting away! ((3))
ਬਿਰਧਿ ਭਇਓ ਸੂਝੈ ਨਹੀ ਕਾਲ੝ ਪਹੂਚਿਓ ਆਨਿ ॥
Birad bhaio sūjhai nahī kĝl pahūchio ĝn.
You have become old, and you do not understand that death is overtaking you.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਰ ਬਾਵਰੇ ਕਿਉ ਨ ਭਜੈ ਭਗਵਾਨ੝ ॥੪॥
Kaho Nĝnak nar bĝvre kio na bhajai bhagvĝn. ((4))
Says Nanak, you are insane! Why do you not remember and meditate on God? ((4))
ਧਨ੝ ਦਾਰਾ ਸੰਪਤਿ ਸਗਲ ਜਿਨਿ ਅਪ੝ਨੀ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਨਿ ॥
Dhan dĝrĝ sampat sagal jin apunī kar mĝn.
Your wealth, spouse, and all the possessions which you claim as your own -
ਇਨ ਮੈ ਕਛ੝ ਸੰਗੀ ਨਹੀ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚੀ ਜਾਨਿ ॥੫॥
In mai kacho sangī nahī Nĝnak sĝchī jĝn. ((5))
none of these shall go along with you in the end. O Nanak, know this as true. ((5))
ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਭੈ ਹਰਨ ਹਰਿ ਅਨਾਥ ਕੇ ਨਾਥ ॥
Patit udhĝran bhai haran har anĝth ke nĝth.
He is the Saving Grace of sinners, the Destroyer of fear, the Master of the masterless.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਹ ਜਾਨੀਝ ਸਦਾ ਬਸਤ੝ ਤ੝ਮ ਸਾਥਿ ॥੬॥
Kaho Nĝnak tih jĝnīai sadĝ basatu tum sĝth. ((6))
Says Nanak, realize and know Him, who is always with you. ((6))
ਤਨ੝ ਧਨ੝ ਜਿਹ ਤੋ ਕਉ ਦੀਓ ਤਾਂ ਸਿਉ ਨੇਹ੝ ਨ ਕੀਨ ॥
Ŧan ḝẖan jih ṯo ka▫o ḝī▫o ṯĝʼn si▫o nehu na kīn.
He has given you your body and wealth, but you are not in love with Him.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਰ ਬਾਵਰੇ ਅਬ ਕਿਉ ਡੋਲਤ ਦੀਨ ॥੭॥
Kaho Nĝnak nar bĝvre ab ki▫o dolaṯ ḝīn. ((7))
Says Nanak, you are insane! Why do you now shake and tremble so helplessly? ((7))
ਤਨ੝ ਧਨ੝ ਸੰਪੈ ਸ੝ਖ ਦੀਓ ਅਰ੝ ਜਿਹ ਨੀਕੇ ਧਾਮ ॥
Ŧan ḝẖan sampai sukẖ ḝī▫o ar jih nīke ḝẖĝm.
He has given you your body, wealth, property, peace and beautiful mansions.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨ੝ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਕਾਹਿ ਨ ਰਾਮ੝ ॥੮॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ simraṯ kĝhi na rĝm. ((8))
Says Nanak, listen, mind: why don't you remember the Lord in meditation? ((8))
ਸਭ ਸ੝ਖ ਦਾਤਾ ਰਾਮ੝ ਹੈ ਦੂਸਰ ਨਾਹਿਨ ਕੋਇ ॥
Sabẖ sukẖ ḝĝṯĝ rĝm hai ḝūsar nĝhin ko▫e.
The Lord is the Giver of all peace and comfort. There is no other at all.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨਿ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਤਿਹ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਗਤਿ ਹੋਇ ॥੯॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ ṯih simraṯ gaṯ ho▫e. ((9))
Says Nanak, listen, mind: meditating in remembrance on Him, salvation is attained. ((9))
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ਜਿਹ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਈਝ ਤਿਹ ਭਜ੝ ਰੇ ਤੈ ਮੀਤ ॥
Jih simraṯ gaṯ pĝ▫ī▫ai ṯih bẖaj re ṯai mīṯ.
Remembering Him in meditation, salvation is attained; vibrate and meditate on Him, O my friend.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨ੝ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਅਉਧ ਘਟਤ ਹੈ ਨੀਤ ॥੧੦॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ a▫oḝẖ gẖataṯ hai nīṯ. ((10))
Says Nanak, listen, mind: your life is passing away! ((10))
ਪਾਂਚ ਤਤ ਕੋ ਤਨ੝ ਰਚਿਓ ਜਾਨਹ੝ ਚਤ੝ਰ ਸ੝ਜਾਨ ॥
Pĝʼncẖ ṯaṯ ko ṯan racẖi▫o jĝnhu cẖaṯur sujĝn.
Your body is made up of the five elements; you are clever and wise - know this well.
ਜਿਹ ਤੇ ਉਪਜਿਓ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਲੀਨ ਤਾਹਿ ਮੈ ਮਾਨ੝ ॥੧੧॥
Jih ṯe upji▫o nĝnkĝ līn ṯĝhi mai mĝn. ((11))
Believe it - you shall merge once again into the One, O Nanak, from whom you originated. ((11))
ਘਟ ਘਟ ਮੈ ਹਰਿ ਜੂ ਬਸੈ ਸੰਤਨ ਕਹਿਓ ਪ੝ਕਾਰਿ ॥
Gẖat gẖat mai har jū basai sanṯan kahi▫o pukĝr.
The Dear Lord abides in each and every heart; the Saints proclaim this as true.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਹ ਭਜ੝ ਮਨਾ ਭਉ ਨਿਧਿ ਉਤਰਹਿ ਪਾਰਿ ॥੧੨॥
Kaho Nĝnak ṯih bẖaj manĝ bẖa▫o niḝẖ uṯrėh pĝr. ((12))
Says Nanak, meditate and vibrate upon Him, and you shall cross over the terrifying world-ocean. ((12))
ਸ੝ਖ੝ ਦ੝ਖ੝ ਜਿਹ ਪਰਸੈ ਨਹੀ ਲੋਭ੝ ਮੋਹ੝ ਅਭਿਮਾਨ੝ ॥
Sukẖ ḝukẖ jih parsai nahī lobẖ moh abẖimĝn.
One who is not touched by pleasure or pain, greed, emotional attachment and egotistical pride -
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨ੝ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਸੋ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਭਗਵਾਨ ॥੧੩॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ so mūraṯ bẖagvĝn. ((13))
says Nanak, listen, mind: he is the very image of God. ((13))
ਉਸਤਤਿ ਨਿੰਦਿਆ ਨਾਹਿ ਜਿਹਿ ਕੰਚਨ ਲੋਹ ਸਮਾਨਿ ॥
Usṯaṯ ninḝi▫ĝ nĝhi jihi kancẖan loh samĝn.
One who is beyond praise and slander, who looks upon gold and iron alike -
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨਿ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਮ੝ਕਤਿ ਤਾਹਿ ਤੈ ਜਾਨਿ ॥੧੪॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ mukaṯ ṯĝhi ṯai jĝn. ((14))
says Nanak, listen, mind: know that such a person is liberated. ((14))
ਹਰਖ੝ ਸੋਗ੝ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਨਹੀ ਬੈਰੀ ਮੀਤ ਸਮਾਨਿ ॥
Harakẖ sog jĝ kai nahī bairī mīṯ samĝn.
One who is not affected by pleasure or pain, who looks upon friend and enemy alike -
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨਿ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਮ੝ਕਤਿ ਤਾਹਿ ਤੈ ਜਾਨਿ ॥੧੫॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ mukaṯ ṯĝhi ṯai jĝn. ((15))
says Nanak, listen, mind: know that such a person is liberated. ((15))
ਭੈ ਕਾਹੂ ਕਉ ਦੇਤ ਨਹਿ ਨਹਿ ਭੈ ਮਾਨਤ ਆਨ ॥
Bẖai kĝhū ka▫o ḝeṯ nėh nėh bẖai mĝnaṯ ĝn.
One who does not frighten anyone, and who is not afraid of anyone else -
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨਿ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਤਾਹਿ ਬਖਾਨਿ ॥੧੬॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ gi▫ĝnī ṯĝhi bakẖĝn. ((16))
says Nanak, listen, mind: call him spiritually wise. ((16))
ਜਿਹਿ ਬਿਖਿਆ ਸਗਲੀ ਤਜੀ ਲੀਓ ਭੇਖ ਬੈਰਾਗ ॥
Jihi bikẖi▫ĝ saglī ṯajī lī▫o bẖekẖ bairĝg.
One who has forsaken all sin and corruption, who wears the robes of neutral detachment -
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨ੝ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਤਿਹ ਨਰ ਮਾਥੈ ਭਾਗ੝ ॥੧੭॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ ṯih nar mĝthai bẖĝg. ((17))
says Nanak, listen, mind: good destiny is written on his forehead. ((17))
ਜਿਹਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਮਤਾ ਤਜੀ ਸਭ ਤੇ ਭਇਓ ਉਦਾਸ੝ ॥
Jihi mĝ▫i▫ĝ mamṯĝ ṯajī sabẖ ṯe bẖa▫i▫o uḝĝs.
One who renounces Maya and possessiveness and is detached from everything -
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨ੝ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਤਿਹ ਘਟਿ ਬ੝ਰਹਮ ਨਿਵਾਸ੝ ॥੧੮॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ ṯih gẖat barahm nivĝs. ((18))
says Nanak, listen, mind: God abides in his heart. ((18))
ਜਿਹਿ ਪ੝ਰਾਨੀ ਹਉਮੈ ਤਜੀ ਕਰਤਾ ਰਾਮ੝ ਪਛਾਨਿ ॥
Jihi parĝnī ha▫umai ṯajī karṯĝ rĝm pacẖẖĝn.
That mortal, who forsakes egotism, and realizes the Creator Lord -
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਵਹ੝ ਮ੝ਕਤਿ ਨਰ੝ ਇਹ ਮਨ ਸਾਚੀ ਮਾਨ੝ ॥੧੯॥
Kaho Nĝnak vahu mukaṯ nar ih man sĝcẖī mĝn. ((19))
says Nanak, that person is liberated; O mind, know this as true. ((19))
ਭੈ ਨਾਸਨ ਦ੝ਰਮਤਿ ਹਰਨ ਕਲਿ ਮੈ ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮ੝ ॥
Bẖai nĝsan ḝurmaṯ haran kal mai har ko nĝm.
In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Name of the Lord is the Destroyer of fear, the Eradicator of evil-mindedness.
ਨਿਸਿ ਦਿਨ੝ ਜੋ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਜੈ ਸਫਲ ਹੋਹਿ ਤਿਹ ਕਾਮ ॥੨੦॥
Nis ḝin jo Nĝnak bẖajai safal hohi ṯih kĝm. ((20))
Night and day, O Nanak, whoever vibrates and meditates on the Lord's Name, sees all of his works brought to fruition. ((20))
ਜਿਹਬਾ ਗ੝ਨ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਭਜਹ੝ ਕਰਨ ਸ੝ਨਹ੝ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ੝ ॥
Jihbĝ gun gobinḝ bẖajahu karan sunhu har nĝm.
Vibrate with your tongue the Glorious Praises of the Lord of the Universe; with your ears, hear the Lord's Name.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨਿ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਪਰਹਿ ਨ ਜਮ ਕੈ ਧਾਮ ॥੨੧॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ parėh na jam kai ḝẖĝm. ((21))
Says Nanak, listen, man: you shall not have to go to the house of Death. ((21))
ਜੋ ਪ੝ਰਾਨੀ ਮਮਤਾ ਤਜੈ ਲੋਭ ਮੋਹ ਅਹੰਕਾਰ ॥
Jo parĝnī mamṯĝ ṯajai lobẖ moh ahaʼnkĝr.
That mortal who renounces possessiveness, greed, emotional attachment and egotism -
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਆਪਨ ਤਰੈ ਅਉਰਨ ਲੇਤ ਉਧਾਰ ॥੨੨॥
Kaho Nĝnak ĝpan ṯarai a▫uran leṯ uḝẖĝr. ((22))
says Nanak, he himself is saved, and he saves many others as well. ((22))
ਜਿਉ ਸ੝ਪਨਾ ਅਰ੝ ਪੇਖਨਾ ਝਸੇ ਜਗ ਕਉ ਜਾਨਿ ॥
Ji▫o supnĝ ar pekẖnĝ aise jag ka▫o jĝn.
Like a dream and a show, so is this world, you must know.
ਇਨ ਮੈ ਕਛ੝ ਸਾਚੋ ਨਹੀ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਿਨ੝ ਭਗਵਾਨ ॥੨੩॥
In mai kacẖẖ sĝcẖo nahī Nĝnak bin bẖagvĝn. ((23))
None of this is true, O Nanak, without God. ((23))
ਨਿਸਿ ਦਿਨ੝ ਮਾਇਆ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਪ੝ਰਾਨੀ ਡੋਲਤ ਨੀਤ ॥
Nis ḝin mĝ▫i▫ĝ kĝrne parĝnī dolaṯ nīṯ.
Night and day, for the sake of Maya, the mortal wanders constantly.
ਕੋਟਨ ਮੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਕੋਊ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ੝ ਜਿਹ ਚੀਤਿ ॥੨੪॥
Kotan mai Nĝnak ko▫ū nĝrĝ▫in jih cẖīṯ. ((24))
Among millions, O Nanak, there is scarcely anyone, who keeps the Lord in his consciousness. ((24))
ਜੈਸੇ ਜਲ ਤੇ ਬ੝ਦਬ੝ਦਾ ਉਪਜੈ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਨੀਤ ॥
Jaise jal ṯe buḝbuḝĝ upjai binsai nīṯ.
As the bubbles in the water well up and disappear again,
ਜਗ ਰਚਨਾ ਤੈਸੇ ਰਚੀ ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨਿ ਮੀਤ ॥੨੫॥
Jag racẖnĝ ṯaise racẖī kaho Nĝnak sun mīṯ. ((25))
so is the universe created; says Nanak, listen, O my friend! ((25))
ਪ੝ਰਾਨੀ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਚੇਤਈ ਮਦਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਕੈ ਅੰਧ੝ ॥
Parĝnī kacẖẖū na cẖeṯ▫ī maḝ mĝ▫i▫ĝ kai anḝẖ.
The mortal does not remember the Lord, even for a moment; he is blinded by the wine of Maya.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਿਨ੝ ਹਰਿ ਭਜਨ ਪਰਤ ਤਾਹਿ ਜਮ ਫੰਧ ॥੨੬॥
Kaho Nĝnak bin har bẖajan paraṯ ṯĝhi jam fanḝẖ. ((26))
Says Nanak, without meditating on the Lord, he is caught by the noose of Death. ((26))
ਜਉ ਸ੝ਖ ਕਉ ਚਾਹੈ ਸਦਾ ਸਰਨਿ ਰਾਮ ਕੀ ਲੇਹ ॥
Ja▫o sukẖ ka▫o cẖĝhai saḝĝ saran rĝm kī leh.
If you yearn for eternal peace, then seek the Sanctuary of the Lord.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨਿ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਦ੝ਰਲਭ ਮਾਨ੝ਖ ਦੇਹ ॥੨੭॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ ḝurlabẖ mĝnukẖ ḝeh. ((27))
Says Nanak, listen, mind: this human body is difficult to obtain. ((27))
ਮਾਇਆ ਕਾਰਨਿ ਧਾਵਹੀ ਮੂਰਖ ਲੋਗ ਅਜਾਨ ॥
Mĝ▫i▫ĝ kĝran ḝẖĝvhī mūrakẖ log ajĝn.
For the sake of Maya, the fools and ignorant people run all around.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਿਨ੝ ਹਰਿ ਭਜਨ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਜਨਮ੝ ਸਿਰਾਨ ॥੨੮॥
Kaho Nĝnak bin har bẖajan birthĝ janam sirĝn. ((28))
Says Nanak, without meditating on the Lord, life passes away uselessly. ((28))
ਜੋ ਪ੝ਰਾਨੀ ਨਿਸਿ ਦਿਨ੝ ਭਜੈ ਰੂਪ ਰਾਮ ਤਿਹ ਜਾਨ੝ ॥
Jo parĝnī nis ḝin bẖajai rūp rĝm ṯih jĝn.
That mortal who meditates and vibrates upon the Lord night and day - know him to be the embodiment of the Lord.
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ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਹਰਿ ਅੰਤਰ੝ ਨਹੀ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚੀ ਮਾਨ੝ ॥੨੯॥
Har jan har anṯar nahī Nĝnak sĝcẖī mĝn. ((29))
There is no difference between the Lord and the humble servant of the Lord; O Nanak, know this as true. ((29))
ਮਨ੝ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੈ ਫਧਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਬਿਸਰਿਓ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਨਾਮ੝ ॥
Man mĝ▫i▫ĝ mai faḝẖ rahi▫o bisri▫o gobinḝ nĝm.
The mortal is entangled in Maya; he has forgotten the Name of the Lord of the Universe.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਿਨ੝ ਹਰਿ ਭਜਨ ਜੀਵਨ ਕਉਨੇ ਕਾਮ ॥੩੦॥
Kaho Nĝnak bin har bẖajan jīvan ka▫une kĝm. ((30))
Says Nanak, without meditating on the Lord, what is the use of this human life? ((30))
ਪ੝ਰਾਨੀ ਰਾਮ੝ ਨ ਚੇਤਈ ਮਦਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਕੈ ਅੰਧ੝ ॥
Parĝnī rĝm na cẖeṯ▫ī maḝ mĝ▫i▫ĝ kai anḝẖ.
The mortal does not think of the Lord; he is blinded by the wine of Maya.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਭਜਨ ਬਿਨ੝ ਪਰਤ ਤਾਹਿ ਜਮ ਫੰਧ ॥੩੧॥
Kaho Nĝnak har bẖajan bin paraṯ ṯĝhi jam fanḝẖ. ((31))
Says Nanak, without meditating on the Lord, he is caught in the noose of Death. ((31))
ਸ੝ਖ ਮੈ ਬਹ੝ ਸੰਗੀ ਭਝ ਦ੝ਖ ਮੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥
Sukẖ mai baho sangī bẖa▫e ḝukẖ mai sang na ko▫e.
In good times, there are many companions around, but in bad times, there is no one at all.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਭਜ੝ ਮਨਾ ਅੰਤਿ ਸਹਾਈ ਹੋਇ ॥੩੨॥
Kaho Nĝnak har bẖaj manĝ anṯ sahĝ▫ī ho▫e. ((32))
Says Nanak, vibrate, and meditate on the Lord; He shall be your only Help and Support in the end. ((32))
ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਭਰਮਤ ਫਿਰਿਓ ਮਿਟਿਓ ਨ ਜਮ ਕੋ ਤ੝ਰਾਸ੝ ॥
Janam janam bẖarmaṯ firi▫o miti▫o na jam ko ṯarĝs.
Mortals wander lost and confused through countless lifetimes; their fear of death is never removed.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਭਜ੝ ਮਨਾ ਨਿਰਭੈ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਬਾਸ੝ ॥੩੩॥
Kaho Nĝnak har bẖaj manĝ nirbẖai pĝvahi bĝs. ((33))
Says Nanak, vibrate and meditate on the Lord, and you shall dwell in the Fearless Lord. ((33))
ਜਤਨ ਬਹ੝ਤ੝ ਮੈ ਕਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਮਿਟਿਓ ਨ ਮਨ ਕੋ ਮਾਨ੝ ॥
Jaṯan bahuṯ mai kar rahi▫o miti▫o na man ko mĝn.
I have tried so many things, but the pride of my mind has not been dispelled.
ਦ੝ਰਮਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਨਾਨਕ ਫਧਿਓ ਰਾਖਿ ਲੇਹ੝ ਭਗਵਾਨ ॥੩੪॥
Ḏurmaṯ si▫o Nĝnak faḝẖi▫o rĝkẖ leho bẖagvĝn. ((34))
I am engrossed in evil-mindedness, Nanak. O God, please save me! ((34))
ਬਾਲ ਜ੝ਆਨੀ ਅਰ੝ ਬਿਰਧਿ ਫ੝ਨਿ ਤੀਨਿ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਜਾਨਿ ॥
Bĝl ju▫ĝnī ar biraḝẖ fun ṯīn avasthĝ jĝn.
Childhood, youth and old age - know these as the three stages of life.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਭਜਨ ਬਿਨ੝ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਮਾਨ੝ ॥੩੫॥
Kaho Nĝnak har bẖajan bin birthĝ sabẖ hī mĝn. ((35))
Says Nanak, without meditating on the Lord, everything is useless; you must appreciate this. ((35))
ਕਰਣੋ ਹ੝ਤੋ ਸ੝ ਨਾ ਕੀਓ ਪਰਿਓ ਲੋਭ ਕੈ ਫੰਧ ॥
Karṇo huṯo so nĝ kī▫o pari▫o lobẖ kai fanḝẖ.
You have not done what you should have done; you are entangled in the web of greed.
ਨਾਨਕ ਸਮਿਓ ਰਮਿ ਗਇਓ ਅਬ ਕਿਉ ਰੋਵਤ ਅੰਧ ॥੩੬॥
Nĝnak sami▫o ram ga▫i▫o ab ki▫o rovaṯ anḝẖ. ((36))
Nanak, your time is past and gone; why are you crying now, you blind fool? ((36))
ਮਨ੝ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੈ ਰਮਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਨਿਕਸਤ ਨਾਹਿਨ ਮੀਤ ॥
Man mĝ▫i▫ĝ mai ram rahi▫o niksaṯ nĝhin mīṯ.
The mind is absorbed in Maya - it cannot escape it, my friend.
ਨਾਨਕ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਚਿਤ੝ਰ ਜਿਉ ਛਾਡਿਤ ਨਾਹਿਨ ਭੀਤਿ ॥੩੭॥
Nĝnak mūraṯ cẖiṯar ji▫o cẖẖĝdiṯ nĝhin bẖīṯ. ((37))
Nanak, it is like a picture painted on the wall - it cannot leave it. ((37))
ਨਰ ਚਾਹਤ ਕਛ੝ ਅਉਰ ਅਉਰੈ ਕੀ ਅਉਰੈ ਭਈ ॥
Nar cẖĝhaṯ kacẖẖ a▫or a▫urai kī a▫urai bẖa▫ī.
The man wishes for something, but something different happens.
ਚਿਤਵਤ ਰਹਿਓ ਠਗਉਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਫਾਸੀ ਗਲਿ ਪਰੀ ॥੩੮॥
Cẖiṯvaṯ rahi▫o ṯẖaga▫ur Nĝnak fĝsī gal parī. ((38))
He plots to deceive others, O Nanak, but he places the noose around his own neck instead. ((38))
ਜਤਨ ਬਹ੝ਤ ਸ੝ਖ ਕੇ ਕੀਝ ਦ੝ਖ ਕੋ ਕੀਓ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥
Jaṯan bahuṯ sukẖ ke kī▫e ḝukẖ ko kī▫o na ko▫e.
People make all sorts of efforts to find peace and pleasure, but no one tries to earn pain.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਸ੝ਨਿ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੋ ਹੋਇ ॥੩੯॥
Kaho Nĝnak sun re manĝ har bẖĝvai so ho▫e. ((39))
Says Nanak, listen, mind: whatever pleases God comes to pass. ((39))
ਜਗਤ੝ ਭਿਖਾਰੀ ਫਿਰਤ੝ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਕੋ ਦਾਤਾ ਰਾਮ੝ ॥
Jagaṯ bẖikẖĝrī firaṯ hai sabẖ ko ḝĝṯĝ rĝm.
The world wanders around begging, but the Lord is the Giver of all.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਮਨ ਸਿਮਰ੝ ਤਿਹ ਪੂਰਨ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਕਾਮ ॥੪੦॥
Kaho Nĝnak man simar ṯih pūran hovėh kĝm. ((40))
Says Nanak, meditate in remembrance on Him, and all your works will be successful. ((40))
ਝੂਠੈ ਮਾਨ੝ ਕਹਾ ਕਰੈ ਜਗ੝ ਸ੝ਪਨੇ ਜਿਉ ਜਾਨ੝ ॥
Jẖūṯẖai mĝn kahĝ karai jag supne ji▫o jĝn.
Why do you take such false pride in yourself? You must know that the world is just a dream.
ਇਨ ਮੈ ਕਛ੝ ਤੇਰੋ ਨਹੀ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਹਿਓ ਬਖਾਨਿ ॥੪੧॥
In mai kacẖẖ ṯero nahī Nĝnak kahi▫o bakẖĝn. ((41))
None of this is yours; Nanak proclaims this truth. ((41))
ਗਰਬ੝ ਕਰਤ੝ ਹੈ ਦੇਹ ਕੋ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਛਿਨ ਮੈ ਮੀਤ ॥
Garab karaṯ hai ḝeh ko binsai cẖẖin mai mīṯ.
You are so proud of your body; it shall perish in an instant, my friend.
ਜਿਹਿ ਪ੝ਰਾਨੀ ਹਰਿ ਜਸ੝ ਕਹਿਓ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਹਿ ਜਗ੝ ਜੀਤਿ ॥੪੨॥
Jihi parĝnī har jas kahi▫o Nĝnak ṯihi jag jīṯ. ((42))
That mortal who chants the Praises of the Lord, O Nanak, conquers the world. ((42))
ਜਿਹ ਘਟਿ ਸਿਮਰਨ੝ ਰਾਮ ਕੋ ਸੋ ਨਰ੝ ਮ੝ਕਤਾ ਜਾਨ੝ ॥
Jih gẖat simran rĝm ko so nar mukṯĝ jĝn.
That person, who meditates in remembrance on the Lord in his heart, is liberated - know this well.
ਤਿਹਿ ਨਰ ਹਰਿ ਅੰਤਰ੝ ਨਹੀ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚੀ ਮਾਨ੝ ॥੪੩॥
Ŧihi nar har anṯar nahī Nĝnak sĝcẖī mĝn. ((43))
There is no difference between that person and the Lord: O Nanak, accept this as the Truth. ((43))
ਝਕ ਭਗਤਿ ਭਗਵਾਨ ਜਿਹ ਪ੝ਰਾਨੀ ਕੈ ਨਾਹਿ ਮਨਿ ॥
Ėk bẖagaṯ bẖagvĝn jih parĝnī kai nĝhi man.
That person, who does not feel devotion to God in his mind -
ਜੈਸੇ ਸੂਕਰ ਸ੝ਆਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਮਾਨੋ ਤਾਹਿ ਤਨ੝ ॥੪੪॥
Jaise sūkar su▫ĝn Nĝnak mĝno ṯĝhi ṯan. ((44))
O Nanak, know that his body is like that of a pig, or a dog. ((44))
ਸ੝ਆਮੀ ਕੋ ਗ੝ਰਿਹ੝ ਜਿਉ ਸਦਾ ਸ੝ਆਨ ਤਜਤ ਨਹੀ ਨਿਤ ॥
Su▫ĝmī ko garihu ji▫o saḝĝ su▫ĝn ṯajaṯ nahī niṯ.
A dog never abandons the home of his master.
ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਹਰਿ ਭਜਉ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਹ੝ਇ ਇਕ ਚਿਤਿ ॥੪੫॥
Nĝnak ih biḝẖ har bẖaja▫o ik man hu▫e ik cẖiṯ. ((45))
O Nanak, in just the same way, vibrate, and meditate on the Lord, single-mindedly, with one-pointed consciousness. ((45))
ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਅਰ੝ ਦਾਨ ਕਰਿ ਮਨ ਮੈ ਧਰੈ ਗ੝ਮਾਨ੝ ॥
Ŧirath baraṯ ar ḝĝn kar man mai ḝẖarai gumĝn.
Those who make pilgrimages to sacred shrines, observe ritualistic fasts and make donations to charity while still taking pride in their minds -
ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਹਫਲ ਜਾਤ ਤਿਹ ਜਿਉ ਕ੝ੰਚਰ ਇਸਨਾਨ੝ ॥੪੬॥
Nĝnak nihfal jĝṯ ṯih ji▫o kuncẖar isnĝn. ((46))
O Nanak, their actions are useless, like the elephant, who takes a bath, and then rolls in the dust. ((46))
ਸਿਰ੝ ਕੰਪਿਓ ਪਗ ਡਗਮਗੇ ਨੈਨ ਜੋਤਿ ਤੇ ਹੀਨ ॥
Sir kampi▫o pag dagmage nain joṯ ṯe hīn.
The head shakes, the feet stagger, and the eyes become dull and weak.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਭਈ ਤਊ ਨ ਹਰਿ ਰਸਿ ਲੀਨ ॥੪੭॥
Kaho Nĝnak ih biḝẖ bẖa▫ī ṯa▫ū na har ras līn. ((47))
Says Nanak, this is your condition. And even now, you have not savored the sublime essence of the Lord. ((47))
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ਨਿਜ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖਿਓ ਜਗਤ੝ ਮੈ ਕੋ ਕਾਹੂ ਕੋ ਨਾਹਿ ॥
Nij kar ḝekẖi▫o jagaṯ mai ko kĝhū ko nĝhi.
I had looked upon the world as my own, but no one belongs to anyone else.
ਨਾਨਕ ਥਿਰ੝ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਹੈ ਤਿਹ ਰਾਖੋ ਮਨ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੪੮॥
Nĝnak thir har bẖagaṯ hai ṯih rĝkẖo man mĝhi. ((48))
O Nanak, only devotional worship of the Lord is permanent; enshrine this in your mind. ((48))
ਜਗ ਰਚਨਾ ਸਭ ਝੂਠ ਹੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਲੇਹ੝ ਰੇ ਮੀਤ ॥
Jag racẖnĝ sabẖ jẖūṯẖ hai jĝn leho re mīṯ.
The world and its affairs are totally false; know this well, my friend.
ਕਹਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਥਿਰ੝ ਨਾ ਰਹੈ ਜਿਉ ਬਾਲੂ ਕੀ ਭੀਤਿ ॥੪੯॥
Kahi Nĝnak thir nĝ rahai ji▫o bĝlū kī bẖīṯ. ((49))
Says Nanak, it is like a wall of sand; it shall not endure. ((49))
ਰਾਮ੝ ਗਇਓ ਰਾਵਨ੝ ਗਇਓ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਬਹ੝ ਪਰਵਾਰ੝ ॥
Rĝm ga▫i▫o rĝvan ga▫i▫o jĝ ka▫o baho parvĝr.
Raam Chand passed away, as did Raawan, even though he had lots of relatives.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਥਿਰ੝ ਕਛ੝ ਨਹੀ ਸ੝ਪਨੇ ਜਿਉ ਸੰਸਾਰ੝ ॥੫੦॥
Kaho Nĝnak thir kacẖẖ nahī supne ji▫o sansĝr. ((50))
Says Nanak, nothing lasts forever; the world is like a dream. ((50))
ਚਿੰਤਾ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਕੀਜੀਝ ਜੋ ਅਨਹੋਨੀ ਹੋਇ ॥
Cẖinṯĝ ṯĝ kī kījī▫ai jo anhonī ho▫e.
People become anxious, when something unexpected happens.
ਇਹ੝ ਮਾਰਗ੝ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਕੋ ਨਾਨਕ ਥਿਰ੝ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥੫੧॥
Ih mĝrag sansĝr ko Nĝnak thir nahī ko▫e. ((51))
This is the way of the world, O Nanak; nothing is stable or permanent. ((51))
ਜੋ ਉਪਜਿਓ ਸੋ ਬਿਨਸਿ ਹੈ ਪਰੋ ਆਜ੝ ਕੈ ਕਾਲਿ ॥
Jo upji▫o so binas hai paro ĝj kai kĝl.
Whatever has been created shall be destroyed; everyone shall perish, today or tomorrow.
ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਗ੝ਨ ਗਾਇ ਲੇ ਛਾਡਿ ਸਗਲ ਜੰਜਾਲ ॥੫੨॥
Nĝnak har gun gĝ▫e le cẖẖĝd sagal janjĝl. ((52))
O Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and give up all other entanglements. ((52))
ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥
Ḏohrĝ.
Dohraa:
ਬਲ੝ ਛ੝ਟਕਿਓ ਬੰਧਨ ਪਰੇ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਹੋਤ ਉਪਾਇ ॥
Bal cẖẖutki▫o banḝẖan pare kacẖẖū na hoṯ upĝ▫e.
My strength is exhausted, and I am in bondage; I cannot do anything at all.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਅਬ ਓਟ ਹਰਿ ਗਜ ਜਿਉ ਹੋਹ੝ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੫੩॥
Kaho Nĝnak ab ot har gaj ji▫o hohu sahĝ▫e. ((53))
Says Nanak, now, the Lord is my Support; He will help me, as He did the elephant. ((53))
ਬਲ੝ ਹੋਆ ਬੰਧਨ ਛ੝ਟੇ ਸਭ੝ ਕਿਛ੝ ਹੋਤ ਉਪਾਇ ॥
Bal ho▫ĝ banḝẖan cẖẖute sabẖ kicẖẖ hoṯ upĝ▫e.
My strength has been restored, and my bonds have been broken; now, I can do everything.
ਨਾਨਕ ਸਭ੝ ਕਿਛ੝ ਤ੝ਮਰੈ ਹਾਥ ਮੈ ਤ੝ਮ ਹੀ ਹੋਤ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੫੪॥
Nĝnak sabẖ kicẖẖ ṯumrai hĝth mai ṯum hī hoṯ sahĝ▫e. ((54))
Nanak: everything is in Your hands, Lord; You are my Helper and Support. ((54))
ਸੰਗ ਸਖਾ ਸਭਿ ਤਜਿ ਗਝ ਕੋਊ ਨ ਨਿਬਹਿਓ ਸਾਥਿ ॥
Sang sakẖĝ sabẖ ṯaj ga▫e ko▫ū na nib▫hi▫o sĝth.
My associates and companions have all deserted me; no one remains with me.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਬਿਪਤਿ ਮੈ ਟੇਕ ਝਕ ਰਘ੝ਨਾਥ ॥੫੫॥
Kaho Nĝnak ih bipaṯ mai tek ek ragẖunĝth. ((55))
Says Nanak, in this tragedy, the Lord alone is my Support. ((55))
ਨਾਮ੝ ਰਹਿਓ ਸਾਧੂ ਰਹਿਓ ਰਹਿਓ ਗ੝ਰ੝ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ੝ ॥
Nĝm rahi▫o sĝḝẖū rahi▫o rahi▫o gur gobinḝ.
The Naam remains; the Holy Saints remain; the Guru, the Lord of the Universe, remains.
ਕਹ੝ ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਕਿਨ ਜਪਿਓ ਗ੝ਰ ਮੰਤ੝ ॥੫੬॥
Kaho Nĝnak ih jagaṯ mai kin japi▫o gur manṯ. ((56))
Says Nanak, how rare are those who chant the Guru's Mantra in this world. ((56))
ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ੝ ਉਰ ਮੈ ਗਹਿਓ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਸਮ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥
Rĝm nĝm ur mai gahi▫o jĝ kai sam nahī ko▫e.
I have enshrined the Lord's Name within my heart; there is nothing equal to it.
ਜਿਹ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਸੰਕਟ ਮਿਟੈ ਦਰਸ੝ ਤ੝ਹਾਰੋ ਹੋਇ ॥੫੭॥੧॥
Jih simraṯ sankat mitai ḝaras ṯuhĝro ho▫e. ((57)(1))
Meditating in remembrance on it, my troubles are taken away; I have received the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ((57)(1))

According through this bani Guru ji used 23x the word meditation/meditate they are telling us over and over how important meditation on naam is.
 

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Nitnem - Nit means Daily..ALWAYS..and Nem is Discipline..planned..according to the timetable...

NITNEM of The CREATOR...what He has Ordianed via His Laws...The SUN rises and sets...the earth revolves..and revolves..the Universe..everything..follows the LAWS as per limits set in motion....No moment when Gravity stops and apples fall upwards or rain rises from the earth...

What is the LAW that governs us Humans ? The Laws that we have to NITNEM ??
These "Laws" are so straightforward and SIMPLE...they are set forward right in the Very beginning of SGGS....the Law that sates a Human has to be TRUTH...thruthful living..embodiment of TRUTH that is the CREATOR HIMSELF...Just as the SUN rises on the dot day in and day out..a SIKH of the GURU has to LIVE TRUTH on the Dot ...day in and day out..till the last moment when the "sun" SETS..and the Sohila is read....the Slok mahalla nauvahn..are read to signal the "sun" has SET... The Law that ONLY HE is KARTA and He is the PURAKH..we are just "creations"..wives of the Purakh...so live accordingly...Nirbhau..Nirvair..etc etc..THESE are the ACTIONS we must ENFORCE reinforce every living MOMENT....just as GRAVITY never stops for even a split second..a SIKH should never be VAIREE...never be AFRAID...even for a split second...or His "Actions" beleie his assertion that He is a SIKH ??? A Sikh that has enmity..that is afraid..is NOT following the Laws of the NITNEM...its ACTION..ACTION and ONLY ACTION. Sadly we have been led down the rosy garden path that impresses upon us that after we ahve dutifully "muttered" the magical number of banis in the fastest recod setting time..we have done the Nitnem..we are DONE..and now we can lie, we cna cheat, we can curse..at the traffic lights, at the traffic policmen..at the old aldy crossing the street slowly..at our boss for not giving us a day off when we wanted..we cna argue and pay the riksahw driver much less than he asks for...we cna ..we can..we can..and then next Morning..go fastforward with our reading "Nitnem Banis" again and again for 80 years till we breathe our last...and people attending our funeral bhog can say..mar giyah..jhoothah..mar giyah chugleekhor..barrah hankaar see ehnu appneh waddeh ghar da..menghee gaddee dah..BMW vich baith ke Saddam hussein bannjandah see...par BANI bahut Parrhdah see..har aitvaar langgar de jhoothe bhandeh sirf eh manjdah see..Hemkunt 20 baar giyah see....does anyone ever say..SUN charraih hee nahin...chand kidhar challah giyah..hava kion band hai..barish dhartee ton uppar nu pai rahee hai ???.

We ahve made the mistake of taking the same meanings that were already there before GURU NANAK Ji came and CHANGED them..we REFUSE to accept the CHANGES....we want the Staus Quo....IF the Vedas and the Brahmchariahs have been chanting mantars for aeons..we shall also CHANT mool mantar...125,000 times..??? why listen to GURU NANAK ??
 

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Hundreds of thousands of PAID paaths, paid ardasses, Akhandpaaths, sehaj paaths, bentis, etc are being done by SIKHS all over the world..there are Akhandpaaths in ABSENTIA..being paid for ONLINE with Hukmnamahs being sent online...and Millions of SIKHS are muttering millions of moolmantars, japjis, sukhmanis, etc etc..like parrots..many are having Mechanical paaths on continous CDs DVDS Thumb Drives being "listened" to continously...and YET our KAUM is going down the gutter...Youth are either "high" on this muttering/conspicous gatra huge karras and high dummallas" stuff..or the heroin cocaine sniffing HIGHS..or alcoholics..or "high" on getting rich asap regardeless of how they get rich...no more honesty, high ideals of hard work, kirt waand chhaknna etc etc..Proportionately the SIKHS have produced the greatest number of TRAITORS than any other Nation...From the disobedient sons of the GURUS..to the Tatt Khalsa who betrayed the Banda Singh Khalsa Forces leading to a delay in the formation of the Khalsa Raaj,, to the traitors who led to the downfall and annexation of the Khalsa raaj in 1850's to the situation in Punjab Today where the Sikhs are badly infested with TRAITORS and BABAS DERAS, fakes of all sorts and colours....where to most Sikhs MONEY talks and talks so loudly it drowns out the conscience and reason. SIKH "agents" sell out other Sikhs as Slaves in foreign countries, Sikh drug smugglers, sikh alcohol shop owners, sikh owners of factories that make drugs fake medicines, fake milk etc etc..ALL for MONEY...

Whats the BASIC CAUSE ?? we are doing millions of akhand paaths, billions of akhand Jaaps, chaupaii paaths, sukhmani paaths etc etc...and we are still going downhill...DO we ahve the courage to STOP..take a step backward and THINK ?...Are we NIBHAU ? or we are afraid others will call us nastik...non-beleivers..communist...whatever..dare we face up to the truth...and start doing the REAL NITNEM..Real CharanPahul..Real MEDITATION..the REAL authentic stuff found in SGGS and not the fake failed methods of meditation nitnems taught by the Yogis sadhus, that Guru ji rubbished in Siddh Ghhosht asa dee vaar..sukhmani...??? CHALLENGE is at our feet..the Ball is in our court..:realangrymunda::realangrymunda::faujasingh::faujasingh::faujasingh::faujasingh::faujasingh:
 

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itsmeet ji,

Guru Fateh,

First please explain Nitnem and meditation and what modus operandi do you use for them?

Lastly, you above claim makes no sense because one can only do Nitnem or "meditate" without feeling the pangs of hunger in one's tummy.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

Sir, am neither regular in Nitnem nor meditation. Nitnem to me is 5 Baanis a Sikh should atleast do a day & meditation is to put your whole concentration on Gurmantar 'Waheguru'. If you have some other definition, please enlighten me.



Claim !!! "View" is more appropriate word to use. Who am I to claim.
 

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Interesting thought:

Sound is basically just vibration - what you 'hear' is not what travels through the air... Our world is basally silent. Sound is actually created by pressure waves in the medium (air). For sound to occur, there must be a source, a medium... and a receiver. Our ears are the receiver, tympanic membrane (eardrum) receives the vibrations, they are transmitted through your middle ear structures (3 tiny bones called incus, malleus, stapes) and then passed to the chochlea and then nerves take it to the brain to be deciphered into what you interpret as 'sound' Your actual experience of it though is basically electrical signals and the 'sound' you hear is entirely internal.

How does this relate to plants? Plants are very susceptible to vibration. They have been shown to react to music... and even human voices talking to them. A plant can and does interpret these same pressure waves we do... but their internal experience ... what they 'hear' and how they interpret it is likely vastly different to us.
 

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Interesting thought:

Sound is basically just vibration - what you 'hear' is not what travels through the air... Our world is basally silent. Sound is actually created by pressure waves in the medium (air). For sound to occur, there must be a source, a medium... and a receiver. Our ears are the receiver, tympanic membrane (eardrum) receives the vibrations, they are transmitted through your middle ear structures (3 tiny bones called incus, malleus, stapes) and then passed to the chochlea and then nerves take it to the brain to be deciphered into what you interpret as 'sound' Your actual experience of it though is basically electrical signals and the 'sound' you hear is entirely internal.

How does this relate to plants? Plants are very susceptible to vibration. They have been shown to react to music... and even human voices talking to them. A plant can and does interpret these same pressure waves we do... but their internal experience ... what they 'hear' and how they interpret it is likely vastly different to us.

Then Vegans and Vegetarians better be careful eating such sensitive creatures.
 

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According through this bani Guru ji used 23x the word meditation/meditate they are telling us over and over how important meditation on naam is.


kggr001 ji,

Guru Fateh.

I am sorry to say that you are wrong in your assumption of the usage of meditation/meditate in your above post.

First, let’s define what meditation is as per English language dictionary.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/meditate

Meditate

Verb
Focus one’s mind for a period of time, in silence or with the aid of chanting, for religious or spiritual purposes or as a method of relaxation.

Let me offer you a bit of background about the literal translations of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in English and why they are flawed and misleading.

The earlier translators were all Christian missionaries and hence used a biblical slant in their translations. The Sikh disciples who learnt from them did the same. This is the reason you see Lord- which is a personified deity unlike Ik Ong Kaar- in the English translation of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

This is also the reason the majority of them are not only misleading, flawed but also not as per true meaning of Gurbani which is a shame. Meditation and other words are inserted to simplify/or to take a short cut rather than explaining the true meaning which is in Gurmukhi and it is a shame indeed because many Sikhs are misled with the incorrect English translations. In fact I wrote a little piece about “Lord as Ik Ong Kaar” many years ago. Here it is:
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/186-lord-as-ik-ong-kaar.html

Now, coming back to Meditate/Meditation, you will find the following words from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru, used as Meditate/Meditation in different contexts and not all mean the same thing. Hence the question arises which is what and used for what?

So, please tell me how you decipher all this in a lay man’s terms.

Personally, I think words like Meditation and Lord do not belong in the translation of our visionary Gurbani given to us by our Gurus in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru.

Some of these words are taken out from your own post above.

These references of the words Meditate and Meditation are taken from the following site:

http://www.srigranth.org/

ਨਾਮੁ=3303 times
naam=2542 times
ਸਿਮਰਨ=149
ਭਜਨ=57 times
ਹਰਿ ਭਜਨ=17 times
ਭਜੈ=10 times
ਸਿਮਰਤ=175 times
ਭਜ=250 times
ਵੀਚਾਰਿ=100 times
ਭਾਉ=201 times
ਧਿਆਨੁ=121
ਮਨਿ= 1443 times
ਮਤਿ= 951 times
Mind=4987 times
Meditation=564 times
Meditate= 1613 times
Let’s ponder over this a bit.

Thanks and regards

Tejwant Singh
 

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kggr001 ji,

Guru Fateh.

I am sorry to say that you are wrong in your assumption of the usage of meditation/meditate in your above post.

First, let’s define what meditation is as per English language dictionary.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/meditate

Meditate

Verb
Focus one’s mind for a period of time, in silence or with the aid of chanting, for religious or spiritual purposes or as a method of relaxation.

Let me offer you a bit of background about the literal translations of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in English and why they are flawed and misleading.

The earlier translators were all Christian missionaries and hence used a biblical slant in their translations. The Sikh disciples who learnt from them did the same. This is the reason you see Lord- which is a personified deity unlike Ik Ong Kaar- in the English translation of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

This is also the reason the majority of them are not only misleading, flawed but also not as per true meaning of Gurbani which is a shame. Meditation and other words are inserted to simplify/or to take a short cut rather than explaining the true meaning which is in Gurmukhi and it is a shame indeed because many Sikhs are misled with the incorrect English translations. In fact I wrote a little piece about “Lord as Ik Ong Kaar” many years ago. Here it is:
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/186-lord-as-ik-ong-kaar.html

Now, coming back to Meditate/Meditation, you will find the following words from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru, used as Meditate/Meditation in different contexts and not all mean the same thing. Hence the question arises which is what and used for what?

So, please tell me how you decipher all this in a lay man’s terms.

Personally, I think words like Meditation and Lord do not belong in the translation of our visionary Gurbani given to us by our Gurus in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru.

Some of these words are taken out from your own post above.

These references of the words Meditate and Meditation are taken from the following site:

http://www.srigranth.org/

ਨਾਮੁ=3303 times
naam=2542 times
ਸਿਮਰਨ=149
ਭਜਨ=57 times
ਹਰਿ ਭਜਨ=17 times
ਭਜੈ=10 times
ਸਿਮਰਤ=175 times
ਭਜ=250 times
ਵੀਚਾਰਿ=100 times
ਭਾਉ=201 times
ਧਿਆਨੁ=121
ਮਨਿ= 1443 times
ਮਤਿ= 951 times
Mind=4987 times
Meditation=564 times
Meditate= 1613 times
Let’s ponder over this a bit.

Thanks and regards

Tejwant Singh

Tejwant ji, I don't see how what some of us call here vedic meditation does not define "Focus one’s mind for a period of time, in silence or with the aid of chanting, for religious or spiritual purposes or as a method of relaxation:". This is exactly what so called vedic meditation does.

I also learned most of Sikhi from Sikhwiki it's a wonderful place :D
This is what I do believe Meditation is and does.
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Meditation,_the_doorway_to_higher_consciousness
 

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Tejwant ji, I don't see how what some of us call here vedic meditation does not define "Focus one’s mind for a period of time, in silence or with the aid of chanting, for religious or spiritual purposes or as a method of relaxation:". This is exactly what so called vedic meditation does.

I also learned most of Sikhi from Sikhwiki it's a wonderful place :D
This is what I do believe Meditation is and does.
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Meditation,_the_doorway_to_higher_consciousness

Vedic meditation has nothing to do with Sikhi but rather to the contrary. As mentioned before, all the above words have been used in the translations of Gurbani from its original to English and all of them translated as To Meditate or Meditation.

My question still stands, what is which and which is what in the context of the shabad?

It is no good copying and pasting literal translations from the net and believing them to be true without going through the whole Shabad and comprehending its message with one owns understanding. Otherwise it all becomes futile and makes us the parrots of Gurbani with an ugly plumage rather than its practitioners.

Secondly, quoting one liners from the Gurbani via Sikhiwiki or from any other source does not do justice to our Gurus' shabads. One liner are used by some as a weapon not as a tool as Gurbani suggests us to do.

Tejwant Singh
 

kggr001

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Vedic meditation has nothing to do with Sikhi but rather to the contrary. As mentioned before, all the above words have been used in the translations of Gurbani from its original to English and all of them translated as To Meditate or Meditation.

My question still stands, what is which and which is what in the context of the shabad?

It is no good copying and pasting literal translations from the net and believing them to be true without going through the whole Shabad and comprehending its message with one owns understanding. Otherwise it all becomes futile and makes us the parrots of Gurbani with an ugly plumage rather than its practitioners.

Secondly, quoting one liners from the Gurbani via Sikhiwiki or from any other source does not do justice to our Gurus' shabads. One liner are used by some as a weapon not as a tool as Gurbani suggests us to do.

Tejwant Singh

I posted that link not cause of the One Liners in it, that link does explain what vedic like meditation is and what it does. I basically showed you what I see as meditation. What I mean by meditating is being super consciences, being one with the divine. Everyone has his/her own way of doing that. One might do it in the vedic ways, the other might meditate by doing sewa, and others by reading and understanding the GGS ji. And some other person might meditate by just realizing the greatness of the lord.
 

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Kggr001 ji,

This thread has nothing to do with meditation or whatever it may mean . Please start another thread if you wish to do so. I was forced to contest your claim in the long copied and pasted shabads with the word meditation used for different words with different meanings.

Let's stick to the "talking" zucchini here so to speak.:blueturban:


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