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Discussion in 'Sikh Sikhi Sikhism' started by Theologian, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. Harry

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    agreed, so wherein lies the problem, the search for the true us, if indeed such a state exists, or the use of Sikh theology as a tool?
     
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    Ego defines your body, your character...the "Me"ism...the barriers between "You" and "me"...the illusion of the Multiple, when there is only "IK"

    Becoming nothing, sounds stupid...but it doesn't mean to really become nothing... lol ...its dissolving the hardened Ego as i just described above...once the Ego starts to Dissolve...the 'knowing' and experience of 'IK' starts to manifest...so you are slowly but surely starting to know the Truth again...the Truth of "you", the Real "You"

    Not just the temporary Character called Harry ji, who works in a Computer shop, and will live 'n' number of years...lol

    The 'seeking' is Grace...lol

    I'm not saying that i;ve reached that place yet....believe me, i haven't but what i have thus far experienced has told me this shizzle is freaking true lol

    This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Aasaa on Pannaa 409

    Cherish one desire only:
    meditate continually on the Guru.
    Install the wisdom of the Saints' Mantra.
    Serve the Feet of the Guru,
    and you shall meet Him, by Guru's Grace, O my mind. ||1||Pause||
    All doubts are dispelled,
    and the Lord is seen to be pervading all places.
    The fear of death is dispelled,
    and the primal place is obtained.
    Then, all subservience is removed.
    One who has such destiny recorded upon his forehead, obtains it;
    he crosses over the terrifying ocean of fire.
    He obtains a place in the home of his own self,
     
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  3. sukhsingh

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    I'm confused because I don't see mool mantar as giving description of 'god' and I think when we use the term God in sikhi it is so restrictive as to cloud any discussion
     
  4. Harry

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    thank you for opening a new thread on this, I will respond there
     
  5. chazSingh

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    it gives you a fair bit to go on... :) but to really understand it, you have to understand and follow the rest of the SGGS Ji and then live it and become it...

    an i think in the end, we'll realise the Mool Manter is also describing us..
     
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  6. Sikhilove

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    Awesome post :)

    I agree but going further again, we don't even need to desire Waheguru. When u give up desires/ ego, you automatically vibrate at the Truth frequency. No desires, no ego= nothing.

    Image is desire. Everything u think about, is a desire. The trick is to not become attached to your thoughts or image. People meditate on Gurus and images of Sants etc because they're the Truth in form. Gurus eradicated their desires and so lived in hukam- in acceptance of karam.
     
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    Yep, were already Nothing, but we're so hardened by Maya conditioning that we need to break it away bit by bit. It's a process of elimination.

    Contentment, gratitude, bandgi etc are all required on the path. Naam is everything anyway, so when we practice naam, we are realising and accepting that we are All which is also Nothing. Seeing Truth in the positive and negative and loving All unconditionally is breaking the barriers and the illusion- Nirboah and Nirvair.
     
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  8. Sikhilove

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    God is Truth, We are Truth- Truth is mool mantar.

    Satnaam- Truth is His name.

    It's simple but we complicate things.
     
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    may I ask if this is something you practice or just an ideal that you aspire to?
     
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    yup, we don't need to desire..
    problem is, we're coming from a world we're desires drive us...

    so what i found initially in my Simran was that i had to have a desire to do it...a desire to want to know the truth...and this helped me fight the other desires...

    I also used the Dukh in my life, as the cure...it drove me to wake up in the morning, where otherwise i would have continued to be lazy...dukh being the blessing

    but as time wore on...the desire dissolves :) in its place manifests love...and thats what drives you...
     
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    I'm not yet convinced satnaam=truth is 'his name... Feels clumsy as a translation.

    Satnaam = expressed as truth?
     
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    Yep, even the Gurus asked for Naam.

    Dukh indeed is a blessing, and the wise realise it. It gets us out of complacency and causes us to detach from the face of the khel.

    The more pain, the more detachment. The age of Kalyug is a blessing of a time to be alive, for its in the darkest times that we're more able to detach with the greatest light.
     
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    Dukh and sukh should be both welcomed. They both teach us about the nature of the world and illuminate deficiencies within ourselves and around us as well as showing us the possibilities of what can be, not only for ourselves but for those less fortunate
     
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    Again, overcomplication.

    Dont get caught up in logistics.

    God Is Truth, and Naam is truth.

    Either way it means Truth is Naam including God.
     
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    True, but many forget truth in Sukh. Some will remember but at times, dukh is the slap we need.
     
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    Yes I agree but semantics are important!. But as you articulated it differently here than before ie. "truth is 'his' name"..?
     
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    For me dukh offers us a insight into the human condition, what we share, rather than what separates us.. The loss of of a loved one, a child, hunger, poverty injustice etc experiencing racism and prejudices gives me some sense of the irrationally of prejudices within oneself
     
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    satnaam means in my dictionary it is true there is God
     
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    I was never religious or wanted to be. When a youth is growing up and being
    I never was religious, and unfortunately was tricked into the wrong side of life due to my stupidity. I guess who hasn't be lied to or tricked right? Just this time it was a life altering experience. I reckon I have lived more than most have in terms of possibilities in our lives, but its something more to be ashamed of.

    As they say knowledge is power.
     
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    I like your version as it makes me review and consider my own position and provide a definition to test against..

    Its unfortunate we have such a gap in academic discourse to refer to and draw upon to help structure our own dialogues.. One of the greatest losses for Sikhs was the loss of all the books lost when guru sahib left anandpur..
     
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