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ਸਿੱਖੀ ਦੀ ਚੜ੍ਹਦੀ ਕਲਾ ਵੇਖਣੀ ਲੋਚਦੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖ ਸੱਜਣ ਜੀਓ!
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ। ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ ॥
ਸੰਸਾਰ ਤੋਂ ਚਲਾਣੇ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮ ਆ ਜਾਣ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ, ਨੌਵੀਂ ਪੁਸਤਕ ਵੀ ਲਿਖ ਸਕਾਂ? ਇਹ ਸੱਧਰ ਪੂਰੀ ਕਰ ਲੈਣ ਲਈ ਯਤਨਸ਼ੀਲ ਬਹੁਪੱਖੀ ਖੋਜ-ਵਿਚਾਰਾਂ ਸਮੇ ਅਵੱਲ਼ੀ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਨੇ ਆ ਘੇਰਿਆ ਹੈ। ਕਲਮ ਰੋਕੀ ਬੇਚੈਨ ਬੈਠੇ ਨੇ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਇਸ ਪਾਵਨ ਫ਼ੁਰਮਾਨ ਨੂੰ- “ਹੋਇ ਇਕਤ੍ਰ ਮਿਲਹੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਭਾਈ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਦੂਰਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ”॥ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਦਾ ਸਮਾਧਾਨ ਜਾਣਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ E.Mail ਦੁਆਰਾ ਤੁਹਾਡੀ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਾਂ ਦੀ ਇਕੱਤ੍ਰਤਾ ਵਿੱਚ ਹਾਜ਼ਰ ਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਹਾਂ ਜੀ। ਹੇਠ ਲਿਖੇ ਸ਼ੰਕਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਪੜ੍ਹ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਕੇ ਆਪ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਜੋ ਵੀ ਰਾਏ ਬਣੇ ਬਿਨਾ ਦੇਰੀ ਤੋਂ ਦਾਸਰੇ ਤੱਕ ਪੁਚਾ ਦਿਉ ਤਾਂ, ਬੜਾ ਜ਼ਰੂਰੀ ਇਤਿਹਾਸਕ ਮਸਲਾ ਹੱਲ ਕਰ ਲੈਣ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਪ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਇਹ ਅਨਮੋਲ ਸਦਾ ਸ਼ਾਦ ਰਹੇਗੀ। ਸਮਾਧਾਨ ਗੋਚਰੇ ਸ਼ੰਕੇ ਦਾ ਕਰਮਵਾਰ ਵੇਰਵਾ ਇਸ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰ ਹੈ:-
1- ਇਤਿਹਾਸਕਾਰਾਂ ਨੇ ‘ਸਮਰਾਟ ਅਕਬਰ` ਨੂੰ ਬੜਾ ਖੁਲ੍ਹ ਦਿਲਾ ਅਤੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਧਰਮਾ ਨਾਲ ਸਾਵਾਂ ਸਲੂਕ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲਾ ਬੜਾ ਚੰਗਾ ਸ਼ਾਸਕ ਦਰਸਾਇਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ। ਪਰ ਤੰਗ ਦਿਲ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ ਅਤੇ ਇਸਲਾਮ ਦੇ ਕੱਟੜ ਮੌਲਾਣਿਆਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਨਿੱਤ ਦੀਆਂ ਸ਼ਕਾਇਤਾਂ ਕਾਰਨ ਉਸ ਹਰਮਨ ਪਿਆਰੇ ‘ਸਮਰਾਟ ਅਕਬਰ` ਨੇ ਵੀ ਗੁਰੂਬਾਣੀ ਦੀ (ਗੁਰੂ ਅੰਗਦ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਦੇ ੬੩ ਸਲੋਕਾਂ ਸਮੇਤ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਅਤੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਅਮਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ ਰਚਿਤ) ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਪੇਸ਼ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਗੂਰੂ ਅਮਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ ਵਲ ਦੋ ਵਾਰ ਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਫ਼ੁਰਮਾਨ ਭੇਜਿਆ। ਬਾਬਾ ਜੇਠਾ ਜੀ (ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਜੀ) ਨੇ ਦੋਵੇਂ ਵਾਰ ਦਿੱਲੀ ਦਰਬਾਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਪੁੱਜ ਕੇ ਸਮਰਾਟਵ ਅਕਬਰ ਦੀ ਤਸੱਲੀ ਕਰਾ ਦਿੱਤੀ। ਕੱਟੜ ਮੌਲਾਣੇ ਤੇ ਤੰਗ ਦਿਲ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ ਚੌਧਰੀ ਅਕਬਰ ਕੋਲੋਂ ਆਪਣੀ ਮਰਜ਼ੀ ਦਾ ਕਾਰਾ ਨਾ ਕਰਵਾ ਸਕੇ ਤਾਂ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੇ ਅਕਬਰ ਦੇ ਬੇਟੇ ਸਲੀਮ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ-ਘਰ ਵਿਰੁੱਧ ਭੜਕਾਉਣਾ ਆਰੰਭ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ।
2- ਜਦ ੧੬ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ਸਨ ੧੬੬੦ ਨੂੰ ਅਕਬਰ ਇਸ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਤੋਂ ਵਿਦਾ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਧਰਮ ਦੇ ਚੌਧਰੀਆਂ ਦੀ ਸਹਾਇਤਾ ਨਾਲ “ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ-ਰੂਪ ਸਲੀਮ” ਦਿੱਲੀ ਦੇ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦਾ ਮਾਲਕ ਬਣ ਬੈਠਾ। ਮਹਾਂਨ ਕੋਸ਼ ਦੇ ੪੯੭ ਸਫ਼ੇ ਦੀ ਟੂਕ ਵਿੱਚ ਭਾਈ ਕਾਨ੍ਹ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਇਸ ਦਾ ਪੂਰਾ ਨਾਮ- ‘ਨੂਰਉੱਦੀਨ ਮੁਹੰਮਦ ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਗ਼ਾਜ਼ੀ` ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਵਿਰੁੱਧ, ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਚਿਰਾਂ ਤੋ ਸੁਲਘ ਰਹੇ ਸਾੜੇ-ਭਾਂਬੜ ਦੇ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ। ਕਲਮ, ਭਾਈ ਕਾਨ੍ਹ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨਾਭਾ ਦੀ - ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਨਾਲ ਨਰਾਜ਼ਗੀ ਦਾ ਕਾਰਨ ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਨੇ ਖ਼ੁੱਦ ਅਤੇ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੇ ਭਾਵੇ ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਦੇ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਖ਼ੁਸਰੋ ਦੀ ਬਗ਼ਾਵਤ ਦਾ ਢੁੱਚਰ ਘੜਿ ਲਿਆ ਹੈ ਪਰ- ਇਤਿਹਾਸ ਦੀ ਡੂੰਘੇ ਖੋਜ ਤੋਂ ਪਤਾ ਲੱਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਦਾ ਵਿਰੋਧ ਕੇਵਲ ‘ਮਜ਼ਹਬੀ ਤਅੱਸਬ` ਹੀ ਸੀ। ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਨੇ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਤੇ ਬੈਠਣ ਲੱਗਿਆਂ ‘ਪ੍ਰਣ`-Vow- ਧਾਰਨ ਕੀਤਾ ਸੀ ਕਿ “ਮੈਂ ਮਜ਼ਹਬ ਇਸਲਾਮ ਦੀ ਹਮਾਯਤ ਅਤੇ ਰੱਖਿਆ ਕਰਾਂਗਾ”- ਸੋ ਇਸ ਨੇ ਕੱਟੜ ਮੁਲਾਣੇ ਪਾਸ ਰੱਖ ਕੇ ਇਸ ਵਿੱਚ ਸਫ਼ਲਤਾ ਪ੍ਰਾਪ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਤੇ ‘ਗ਼ਾਜ਼ੀ` ਕਹਾਇਆ ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਵ ਅਤੇ ਸਿੱਖ ਧਰਮ ਦਾ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨਾਂ ਤੇ ਅਸਰ ਵੇਖਕੇ ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਤੋਂ ਜਰਿਆ ਨਾ ਗਿਆ। ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਉਸ ਨੇ ‘ਆਪਣੇ ਸਨ ਜਲੂਸੀ ੧` ਦੇ ਹਾਲ ਦੇਂਦਿਆਂ ਖ਼ੁਸਰੋ ਦੇ ਜ਼ਿਕਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਸਾਫ਼ ਲਿਖ ਦਿੱਤੀ ਹੈ`. . ਯਥਾ-. . ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਅਗਲੀ ਲਿਖਤ ਉਰਦੂ ਲਿੱਪੀ ਦੀ ਫ਼ਾਰਸੀ ਜ਼ਬਾਨ ਵਿਚ, ‘ਬਿਆਸ ਦਰਿਆ ਦੇ ਕੰਢੇ ਗੋਇੰਦਵਾਲ ਵਿਚਲੇ ਗੁਰੂਦਰਬਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਉਸ ਨੇ- “ਦੁਕਾਨੇ ਬਾਤਲ” ਭਾਵ, ਝੂਠ ਦੀ ਦੁਕਾਨ ਕਹਿ ਕੇ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਬੰਦ ਕਰ ਦੇਣ ਲਈ ਬੇਚੈਨੀ ਦਰਸਾਈ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ।
3- ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਦੇ ਉੱਤਮ ਟੀਕਾਕਾਰ ਅਥਵਾ ਪ੍ਰਸਿੱਧ ਲੇਖਕ, ਪਰਲੋਕ ਵਾਸੀ ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸੀਪਲ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਡੀ. ਲਿਟ. ਰਚਿਤ ਪੁਸਤਕ ‘ਜੀਵਨ-ਬ੍ਰਿਤਾਂਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ` ਜੋ ਪਹਿਲੀ ਵਾਰ-ਸਨ ੧੯੬੭ ਵਿੱਚ ਅਤੇ ਜਿਸ ਦੀ ਦਸਵੀਂ ਛਾਪ ‘ਸਤੰਬਰ ੧੯੮੮` ਵਿੱਚ ਹੋਈ, ਦੇ ੭੫ ਤੇ “ਤੁਜ਼ਕੇ ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰੀ” ਦੇ ਹਵਾਲੇ ਨਾਲ ‘ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਦੀ ਜ਼ਬਾਨੀ ਇਉਂ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ:- “ਗੋਇੰਦਵਾਲ ਵਿਚ, ਜਿਹੜਾ ਕਿ ਦਰਿਆ ਬਿਆਸ ਦੇ ਕੰਢੇ ਉੱਤੇ ਹੈ, ਪੀਰਾਂ ਬਜ਼ੁਰਗਾਂ ਦੇ ਵੇਸ ਵਿੱਚ ਅਰਜਨ ਨਾਮੀ ਇੱਕ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਸੀ, ਜਿਸ ਨੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਸਾਰੇ ਭੋਲੇ ਭਾਲੇ ਹਿੰਦੂਆਂ, ਸਗੋਂ ਮੂਰਖ ਤੇ ਬੇਸਮਝ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨਾ ਨੂੰ ਭੀ ਅਪਣਾ ਸ਼ਰਧਾਲੂ ਬਣਾ ਕੇ ਆਪਣ ਵਲੀ ਅਤੇ ਪੀਰ ਹੋਣ ਦਾ ਢੋਲ ਬੜਾ ਉੱਚਾ ਵਜਾ ਰਖਿਆ ਸੀ। …. ਤਿੰਨ ਚਾਰ ਪੀੜੀਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਇਹ ਦੁਕਾਨ ਚਲਾ ਰੱਖੀ ਹੈ। ਢੇਰ ਸਮੇ ਤੋਂ ਮੇਰੇ ਦਿਲ ਵਿੱਚ ਖ਼ਿਆਲ ਉਠ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਝੂਠ ਦੀ ਦੁਕਾਨ ਨੂੰ ਬੰਦ ਕਰਨਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ. ਜਾਂ ਉਸ (ਗੁਰੂ) ਨੂੰ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨੀ ਫ਼ਿਰਕੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਲੈ ਆਉਣਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ. . ਉਸ (ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ) ਦਾ ਘਰ ਘਾਟ, ਸਾਰਾ ਮਾਲ ਅਸਬਾਬ ਜ਼ਬਤ ਕਰਕੇ ਮੁਰਤਜ਼ਾ ਖ਼ਾਂ ਦੇ ਹਵਾਲੇ ਕਰਦਿੱਤਾ ਕਿ ਯਾਸਾ ਦੇ ਕਾਨੂੰਨ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਦੰਡ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਜਾਵੇ “। ਇਸ ਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਹੁਕਮ ਦੀ ਤਾਮੀਲ ਵਿੱਚ ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ੩੦ ਮਈ ਸਨ ੧੬੦੬ ਨੂੰ ਭਾਵ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਤੇ ਬੈਠਣ ਦੇ ੭ ਮਹੀਨਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਘਰੋਂ ਗ੍ਰਿਫ਼ਤਾਰ ਕਰਵਾ ਕੇ ਅਜੇਹੇ ਜੱਲਾਦ ਹਾਕਮ ਦੇ ਸਪੁਰਦ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਜਿਸ ਨੇ ਕਈ ਦਿਨ ਬੜੀ ਨਿਰਦਇਆਤਾ ਭਰੇ ਤਸੀਹੇ ਦੇਂਦੇ ਰਹਿ ਕੇ “ਪਰ ਕਾ ਬੁਰਾ ਨ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਚੀਤ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਕਉ ਦੁਖੁ ਨਹੀ ਭਾਈ ਮੀਤ ॥“ {ਪੰਨਾ-੩੮੬) ਸਰਬਤ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਖੀ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ੳਪਦੇਸ਼ ਦਿਰੜ ਕਰਾ ਰਹੇ ਸਭਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਸੱਜਣ-ਪਿਆਰੇ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਬੇਰਹਿਮੀ ਨਾਲ ਸ਼ਹੀਦ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ।
4- ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ੩੦੦ ਫ਼ੁਟ ਉੱਚੀ ਖ਼ੁਸ਼ਕ ਪਹਾੜੀ ਤੇ ਬਣੇ ਗਵਾਲੀਅਰ ਦੇ ਕਿਲੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਬੰਦ ਰਖਣਾ, ਨਵੇ ਤੋਂ ਨਵੇ ਬਹਾਨੇ ਨਾਲ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਤੇ ਮੁਗ਼ਲੀਆ ਫ਼ੌਜਾਂ ਦੇ ਹਮਲੇ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਰਹਿਣੇ। ਰੋਜ਼ ਦੀਆਂ ਨਿਤ ਨਵੀਆਂ ਛੇੜਖ਼ਾਨੀਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਆਖ਼ਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਸਦਾ ਲਈ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਤਿਆਗਣਾ ਪਿਆ। ਵੈਸਾਖ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੬੭੮ ਦੇ ਅਵਤਾਰੀ ਹੋਏ ੧੭ ਸਾਲ ਦੇ ਸਾਹਿਬਜ਼ਾਦਾ ਤੇਗ਼ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਛੱਡ ਕੇ ਮਾਘ ਮਹੀਨੇ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੬੮੭ ਦੇ ਜਨਮੇ ੮ ਵਰ੍ਹਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਸਾਹਿਬਜ਼ਾਦਾ ਹਰਿਰਾਏ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਚੇਤ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੬੯੫ ਵਿੱਚ ਗੁਰਤਾ ਦੇ ਮਾਲਕ ਬਣਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਔਰੰਗਜ਼ੇਬ ਨੇ ਦਿੱਲੀ ਤਲਬ ਕੀਤਾ ਤਾਂ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਅਤੇ ਫਿਰ ਸਾਵਣ ਸੰਮਤ-੧੭੧੩ ਨੂੰ ਅਵਤਾਰੀ ਹੋਏ ਸਾਹਿਬਜ਼ਾਦਾ ਹਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਕਤਕ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੭੧੮ ਕੇਵਲ ਪੰਜ ਸਾਲ ਦੀ ਉਮਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰਿਆਈ ਦੀ ਜ਼ਿਮੇਵਾਰੀ ਨਿਭਾਦਿਆ ਔਰੰਗਜ਼ੇਬ ਨੇ ਦਿੱਲੀ ਬੁਲਾ ਲਿਆ ਜਿਥੇ ਉਹ ਅਜੇਹੇ ਬਿਮਾਰ ਹੋਏ ਕਿ ਚੇਤਰ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੭੨੧ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਦਾਦਾ ਜੀ ਤੇਗ਼ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਜੋ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੬੭੮ ਦੇ ਅਵਤਾਰੀ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਹੁਣ ੪੩ ਵਰਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਚੁੱਕੇ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰਿਆਈ ਸੌਂਪ ਕੇ ਆਪ- “ਤਿਥੈ ਕਾਲੁ ਨ ਸੰਚਰੈ ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥“ {੫੫} -ਸਰੀਰਕ ਰੂਪ ਵਿੱਚ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਤੋਂ ਵਿਦਾ ਹੋ ਗਏ। ਗੁਰੂ ਤੇਗ਼ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਸ਼ਹੀਦ ਕੀਤਾ ਅਤੇ ਦਸ਼ਮੇਸ਼ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਵਾਰ ਸਮੇਤ ਸਾਰੇ ਘਰ ਘਾਟ ਨਾਲ ਜੋ ਕੁੱਝ ਮੁਗ਼ਲ ਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਨੇ ਕੀਤਾ ਉਸ ਸਾਰੇ ਦੁਖਾਂਤ ਨੂੰ ਅਥਵਾ ਉਪਰੋਕਤ ਲਿਖਤ ਤੋਂ ਯਾਦ ਵਿੱਚ ਆ ਰਹੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਮੁਗ਼ਲੀਆਂ ਕਹਿਰ ਨੂੰ ਯਾਦ ਵਿੱਚ ਰੱਖਦਿਆਂ ਹੇਠ ਲਿਖੇ ਗੰਭੀਰ ਸ਼ੰਕੇ ਬਾਰੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਲਿਖ ਭੇਜੋ ਜੀ-
‘ਝੂਠ ਦੀ ਦੁਕਾਨ` ਕਹਿ ਕੇ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਬੰਦ ਕਰ ਦੇਣ ਦੀ ਕਸਮ ਖਾ ਰਹੇ ਸਮਰਾਟ ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਨੇ ਜਦ ਸਾਰੇ ਘਰੋਗੀ ਮਾਲ ਅਸਬਾਬ ਰੂਪ ਘਰ ਘਾਟ ਨੂੰ ਜ਼ਬਤ ਕਰ ਲਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਬਾਣੀ ਦਾ ਉਹ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ (ੳ) - ਨਿਰਸੰਦੇਹ ਬੜੀਆਂ ਔਕੜਾਂ ਤੇ ਮਿਹਨਤ ਨਾਲ ਇਕੱਤਰ ਕੀਤੀ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਦਾ ਅਮੁੱਕ ਭੰਡਾਰਾ - (ਅ) ‘ਆਦਿ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ` ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਲਈ ਜੀਵਨ ਤੋਂ ਵੀ ਕਈ ਗੁਣਾ ਵੱਧ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਅਤੇ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦਾ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਉਹ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਗੁਰੂਬਾਣੀ ਦਾ ਅਥਵਾ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਗਿਆਨ ਦਾ ਵਿਸ਼ਾਲ ਭੰਡਾਰਾ ਤੇ ਇਕੋ ਇੱਕ ਅਨਮੋਲ ਖ਼ਜ਼ਾਨਾ ਹੈ- (ੲ) -ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਲਿਖਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਮਹਾਂਪੁਰਖ ਸਦਾ ਲਈ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਤਿਆਗ ਚੁੱਕੇ ਸਨ, ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਬਦਲ ਕਿਤੇਂ ਵੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ ਮਿਲ ਸਕਣਾ- (ਸ) -ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਦੇ ਬਚਨਾ ਵਾਲੀ “ਝੂਠ ਦੀ ਦੁਕਾਨ” ਨੂੰ ਸਦਾ ਲਈ ਬੰਦ ਕਰਦੇਣ ਲਈ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ (ਸਾਹਿਬ) ਦਾ ਖੁਰਾ ਖੋਜ ਮਿਟਾ ਦੇਣਾ ਮੁਗ਼ਲੀਆ ਸਰਕਾਰ ਨੇ ਕੀ ਜ਼ਰੂਰੀ ਹੀ ਨਾ ਸਮਝਿਆ ਕਿ ਜਾਂ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਲੱਭਾ ਹੀ ਨਾ? (ਹ) - ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਸੋਚੀ ਵੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾ ਸਕਦੀ ਕਿ ਜਿਸ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦੇ ਪਹਿਲੇ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ਦਿਵਸ ਨੂੰ ਕਥਿਤ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਭਾਦੋਂ ਸੁਦੀ ਏਕਮ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੬੬੧ ਕਹਿ ਕੇ ਬੜੇ ਵਾਜਿਆਂ ਗਾਜਿਆਂ ਨਾਲ ਉਸ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦਾ ਪਹਿਲਾ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ਦਿਹਾੜਾ ਮਨਾਇਆ ਜਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ, ਅਤੇ ਜਦ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਗਿਆਨ ਦਾ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਵਡਾ ਵੈਰੀ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ ਵੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਨਾ ਕਿਸੇ ਸ਼ਕਲ ਵਿੱਚ ਮੁਗ਼ਲ ਸਮਰਾਟ ਦਾ ਨੇੜੂ ਬਣਿਆ ਹੀ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ, ਅਜੇਹੀ ਹਾਲਤ ਵਿੱਚ ਇਹ ਕਹਿਣਾ ਮੂਰਖਤਾਈ ਹੋਵੇਗੀ ਕਿ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਪੁਰ ਪਏ ਉਸ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦਾ ਮੁਗ਼ਲਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪਤਾ ਹੀ ਨਾ ਸੀ ਲੱਗਾ?
ਦਾਸਰੇ ਦੀ ਸਦਬਸਤਾ ਜੋਦੜੀ-
ਕੀ ਕੋਈ ਸੱਜਣ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਸੰਨ ੧੭੧੮ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਦੀ ਕੋਈ ਭਰੋਸੇ ਜੋਗ ਲਿਖਤ ਜਾਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਅਜੇਹੀ ਅਕੱਟ ਦਲੀਲ ਦੀ ਦੱਸ ਦਾਸਰੇ ਨੂੰ ਪਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਤੋਂ ਯਕੀਨ ਬਣ ਜਾਵੇ ਕਿ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਦੇ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਵਧੀਆਂ ਜਾਸੂਸੀ ਮਹਿਕਮੇ ਦੀ ਮਾਲਕ ਮੁਗ਼ਲਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਨੇ ਸਾਡਾ ਉਹ ‘ਆਦਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਜੀ` ਕਿਸ ਮਜਬੂਰੀ ਕਾਰਨ ਜ਼ਬਤ ਨਾ ਕੀਤਾ? ਉਸ ਆਦਿ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਬਾਰੇ ਲਿਖਾਰੀਆਂ ਨੇ, ਵਿਹਲੜ ਸਾਧਾਂ ਨੇ ਅਤੇ ਪੁਜਾਰੀਆਂ ਤੇ ਕਈ ਹਾਸੋ ਹੀਣੀਆਂ (ਕਈ ਮਹੀਨੇ ਦਰਿਆ ਬਆਸ ਵਿੱਚ ਪਿਆ ਰਿਹਾ ਤੇ ਸੁਕੇ ਦਾ ਸੁੱਕਾ ਮੁੜ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ) ਲਿਖ ਪਰਚਾਰੀਆਂ ਹੋਇਆ ਹਨ। ਕਹਾਣੀਆਂ ਤਾਂ ਲਿਖ ਲਈਆਂ ਪਰ ਉਸ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਬਾਰੇ ਮੁਗ਼ਲਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਚੁੱਪ ਦੀ ਚੱਪ ਦਰਸਾਈ? ਕੋਈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖ ਇਸ ਰਹਸ ਤੋਂ ਪਰਦਾ ਚੁੱਕ ਸਕੇਗਾ?
ਗੁਰਬਖ਼ਸ਼ ਸਿੰਘ ਕਾਲਾ ਅਫ਼ਗਾਨਾ


http://www.sikhmarg.com/​

.from the link

http://www.sikhmarg.com/2007/0916-kujh-shanke.html

reply by Brother Bijla Singh Ji

Response to Kala Afghana

The article by Afghana is clearly attacking the root of Sikhi. According to him, if Kartarpuri Bir was lost then how did the Sikhs reacquire Bani? In other words, he is questioning the Guru Granth Sahib, the Bani we bow our heads to because if the original Bir was lost and could not be reacquired or rewritten then how do we have the Bani today? If there is some other purpose of him writing such an article then he should’ve explained what the real “problem” is for him and what is he trying to solve? Here is the response point by point. I don’t guarantee it to be 100% correct as everyone is bound to make mistakes.

1) Which historical source states that Guru Raamdas Ji was sent to Delhi twice? There are at least two sources written by Muslims of that time that clearly state that Akbar himself came to meet Guru Sahib and was satisfied by Guru Sahib. Muslims raised hue and cry over Bani only when “The Adi Granth” was written. During Guru Amar Das Ji’s time, the complaints were filed for breaking the caste system by requiring everyone to sit in pangat.

2) Jahangir was long dead before 1660. He sat on the throne in 1605. Even if we assume Afghana wrote Samat 1660, it converts to 1603 AD which is still incorrect. Yes, the reason for going against Guru Sahib was purely religious.

3) If Jahangir ordered all the possessions of Guru Sahib to be seized then why weren’t Darbar Sahib, land of Amritsar, Khadur Sahib, Goindwal Sahib etc. seized also? Is there any evidence that all possessions of Guru Sahib were confiscated? Only Prof. Sahib Singh can explain since Afghana is using his work.

4) Guru Sahib is above emotions and sorrows of this world. It is not possible that Guru Sahib was so agitated and frustrated at the hands of the Mughals that he had to leave Punjab. Guru Sahib does everything according to His will. If hill kings and 1 million Mughal forces could not get Guru Gobind Singh Ji to vacate the fort then how is it possible for the same forces to force Guru Sahib to leave Punjab? Guru Sahib never submitted to any ruler. Instead, he raised his head high and faced the tyrants with full confidence and determination. During the reign of Aurangzeb, oppression was at the peak but it was during this time that Guru Sahib came back to Punjab and founded the city of Anandpur Sahib. Would Afghana be kind enough to explain this to me as to why Aurangzeb let Guru Sahib enter Punjab? If Guru Sahib was forced out of Punjab then why wasn’t he followed in other parts of the country? Such an accusation by Afghana is an insult to Guru Sahib.

Here are answers to his questions:

‘ਝੂਠ ਦੀ ਦੁਕਾਨ` ਕਹਿ ਕੇ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਬੰਦ ਕਰ ਦੇਣ ਦੀ ਕਸਮ ਖਾ ਰਹੇ ਸਮਰਾਟ ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਨੇ ਜਦ ਸਾਰੇ ਘਰੋਗੀ ਮਾਲ ਅਸਬਾਬ ਰੂਪ ਘਰ ਘਾਟ ਨੂੰ ਜ਼ਬਤ ਕਰ ਲਿਆ

There is no evidence to support such a claim. If this is true then why weren’t other prominent Sikhs arrested as well and their properties seized? Why wasn’t Guru Sahib’s family arrested and killed in the same manner? Why weren’t Gurdwaras seized such as Darbar Sahib, Tara Taran Sahib, Santokh Sar Sahib etc? It is because Jahangir wanted to arrest Guru Sahib only so he could stop the spread of Sikhi. Further, Guru Sahib was given the punishment such a way that no blood would be spilled. This shows that Guru Sahib was considered a holy religious person and it was considered a grave sin to spill the blood of a religious person. Muslims call Guru Sahib “darvish” in their works.

ਗੁਰੂ ਬਾਣੀ ਦਾ ਉਹ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਲਿਖਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਮਹਾਂਪੁਰਖ ਸਦਾ ਲਈ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਤਿਆਗ ਚੁੱਕੇ ਸਨ, ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਬਦਲ ਕਿਤੇਂ ਵੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ ਮਿਲ ਸਕਣਾ ਕੀ ਕੋਈ ਸੱਜਣ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਸੰਨ ੧੭੧੮ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਦੀ ਕੋਈ ਭਰੋਸੇ ਜੋਗ ਲਿਖਤ ਜਾਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਅਜੇਹੀ ਅਕੱਟ ਦਲੀਲ ਦੀ ਦੱਸ ਦਾਸਰੇ ਨੂੰ ਪਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਤੋਂ ਯਕੀਨ ਬਣ ਜਾਵੇ ਕਿ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਦੇ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਵਧੀਆਂ ਜਾਸੂਸੀ ਮਹਿਕਮੇ ਦੀ ਮਾਲਕ ਮੁਗ਼ਲਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਨੇ ਸਾਡਾ ਉਹ ‘ਆਦਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਜੀ` ਕਿਸ ਮਜਬੂਰੀ ਕਾਰਨ ਜ਼ਬਤ ਨਾ ਕੀਤਾ?

Bhai Gurdas Ji passed away in Samat 1694 which is 1637. He lived during the time of Guru Hargobind Ji. Hence, his Vaar “Chatham Pir…”. He lived for 31 years after Guru Sahib was martyred. This proves that writer of the Bani was alive and could rewrite it. Bhai Banno’s Bir, the copy of the original Kartarpuri Bir, was available and there is no evidence that this copy was also seized. Further, it is the same Prof. Sahib Singh, whose reference Afghana relies upon, who claims that Bani existed in the form of pothis which were available to Guru Sahib. So if we assume that the Adi Granth was seized then pothis as well as a copy of the Granth were available. It is foolish to assume that the Granth which Guru Sahib and Sikhs spent so much time and effort to write was not made a copy of. Prof. Sahib Singh in Aad Bir Bare states that Guru Sahib had made another copy of it before sending it to Lahore for binding. I highly doubt Afghana missed this point in Prof. Sahib Singh’s writings. He is purposely ignoring this fact.

Afghana is asking for a valid reliable source written prior to 1718 but he himself is basing his arguments on sources written in 20th century. A person has to be really foolish to ask for concrete evidence from sources older than 18th century to seek answers of questions based on 20th century sources i.e. Mahan Kosh, Prof. Sahib Singh. Has Afghana studied history himself? I doubt it. What evidence does he have to support such preposterous accusations?

He states that “spy department” of the Mughal government was the best of best then perhaps he could provide some names of the Mughal spies in Guru Darbar. It is absolutely ridiculous to claim that there were spies in Guru Arjan Dev Ji’s Darbar because Guru Sahib was no threat to the political administration of the government. It would make sense to have spies in Guru Hargobind Ji’s army but what is the need for it when the “victim” possesses no threat to the throne or is raising no political revolt? Jahangir mentions in his memoirs that he despised Guru Sahib. He makes no mention of the Granth. Bani was highly respected among the Sikhs but nonetheless, Guru Arjan Sahib was the Guru and arresting him meant stopping the spread of Sikhi. Seizing a Granth would not have made any difference as it was of no value to the government. If Adi Granth was confiscated then the question has to be asked as to why other vast property and Gurdwaras were not seized? Why weren’t other Sikhs like Bhai Gurdas Ji, Baba Buddha Ji arrested? Why wasn’t family of Guru Sahib arrested? If destroying literature of the Sikhs was the goal of the government then confiscating Janam Sakhis, Vaars and Kabits by Bhai Gurdas Ji, Soochak Parsang Ka by Bhai Behlo Ji and Granth of Baba Binod Ji should’ve been confiscated as well. But such never happened. So I ask Kala Afghana to bring forth some reliable evidence from a valid source written prior to 1718 to base his arguments.

At last, even if we assume the Granth was seized and could not be replaced, the Bani still could be rewritten by Guru Sahib Himself who had the same Jot (Nanak). As is clear in Gurbani that the Jot in all ten bodies was the same. Hence, Jot that supervised writing of Granth during Jahangir could reveal bani the same way later on and it happened during Aurangzeb’s time which resulted in Damdami Bir. Several copies from this Bir were made that exist today. Many copies from earlier times exist today which bear the signatures of Guru Har Rai Ji, Guru Har Krishan Ji and Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji. Had Afghana studied little bit of Sikh history he would’ve known these facts but a sell-out has no purpose other than to attack Sikhi and raise doubts in the minds of naïve Sikhs. Such a self-styled government scholar deserved to be excommunicated and should remain outside the circles of the Panth.
from the link

A Foolish Article By Kala Afghana - The Voice of Sikh Youth

Then Bhai Gurpreet Singh Sumra took the issue towards Shri Dasham Granth Sahib Ji,while so far we were talking about Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji only.


Let us see what happned next.



Post included Both by Bhai Bijla Singh Ji and Bhai Sumra

Gurpreet Singh decided to respond to my reply which was published on Sikhmarg site. As one can see his response is not even remotely related to the subject. My response is at the end.


QUOTE
Dear Editor,

Someone has forwarded you with the link as a response to KalaAfghana's one of the articles. Please share that link on your website with all the readers. After reading this article I dont think that this article needs any academic response as the person who has responded to Kalaafghana's article has clearly missed the gist of his (Kalaafghana's) article.

But still from the website it has been posted on I think I should share my own thoughts and experiences.

First I would like to remove the doubts of the author, Bijla Singh, He writes :

"The article by Afghana is clearly attacking the root of Sikhi. According to him, if Kartarpuri Bir was lost then how did the Sikhs reacquire Bani? In other words, he is questioning the Guru Granth Sahib, "

1) Kalaafghana will never question Guru Granth Sahib, even if he is the last person left on this earth.

2) The gist of his article was "Guru Granth Sahib was not bestowed Guruship in 1604 as said by all historians and history books.

3)It became the Guru of Sikhs in October 1708 when Guru Gobind Singh passed the Guruship to the Granth, as we say in the words of Giani Gian Singh 'Aagya Bhai Akal ki Tabe chalayo panth, Sab Sikhan ko Hukam hai Guru Maanyo Granth'.

4)There was only one Guru at a time and not two Gurus.

5)That there was a Granth or collection of writings was a secret that nobody knew except Guru Arjan and succeding Gurus.Guru Arjan kept it a secret, otherwise it would have definitely been destroyed by the enemies of Sikhism. Because Guru Granth Sahib is the most important thing around which Sikhism revolves. Food for thought.

Now some personal experience relevant to such websites and people that I would like to share :

1) This person Bijla Singh is definitely suffering from a serious mental illness that is found only in Sikhs, known as "KalaAfghana Phobia" and "DasamGranth Philia". Here is one of his (Bijla Singh's) articles giving his own twists and turns to the ****** Kavita(Pardon my language, and before anyone says that I am against banning books or writings, let me clarify, I am one of the biggest fans of this so called Granth and really enjoy the erotic writings in it, as any normal human being would do) or so called Dasam Granth. http://www.panthic.org/news/125/ARTICLE/1799/2005-09-25.html

2) As per my personal intuition, this Bijla Singh is either a middle aged man, retired who has turned into what I call "Internet Scholars" or he is in his mid twenties or early thirties still dependent on his parents and need to find a serious job.

3) The website he has posted his so called response is usually visited by people of my age(mid twenties to early thirties) but born and brought up in Western countries.These people are really very serious about Sikhism(the way they have been taught).

4) When I first came to Canada about 4 years back, I joined some forums and even got personally involved with such people, thinking that they are my age, but they are dedicated to Sikhism so much that once while having a discussion where I differed with their opinion of "Naam Abhyas", 3 or 4 turbaned females along with males started challenging me " je hune vi gall karni hai taan Gurudware de bahar aa jaao, assi utthe vi gal kar laange".

5) I even recieved serious threats in emails, At first I felt very excited and thought that I have become some sort of celebrity like Salman Rushdie or Ayaan Hirsi Ali. But then I figured out that its not their fault they have been brought up that way.

6) The purpose of sharing my personal experience with such people and websites(panthic.org, tapoban.org, sikhsangat.com, searchsikhism.com etc) is to let all the readers know that these youngsters are really serious about their business, they truly believe in the slogan "My Way or HighWay". These people are overgrown kids.They spend their spare time wearing activist T-shirts doing Naam Abhyas, posting on Internet forums numerous times in a single day and most of them need to find some serious jobs. So stay away from these brainwashed kids.

Gurpreet Singh Sumra Brampton, Canada


Mr. Gurpreet Singh, clearly it is you who has missed the “gist” of the article. My response:

1) Since when did you become the spokesperson of Afghana? He has openly questioned the authenticity of Kartarpuri Bir without any shred of evidence. He clearly says that Bir written by Bhai Gurdas Ji could not have been rewritten once confiscated by the Mughals.

2, 3) There is no controversy on when Shabad Guru was given guruship in the Panth. No Sikh scholar in all seriousness believes that guruship was bestowed in 1604. The fact is apparent from the celebration of 300th Guruta-Gaddi Diwas at Hazoor Sahib this year (2008). Afghana doesn’t mention anything remotely related to passing gurugaddi to Guru Granth Sahib in his article.

4) This statement is nowhere implied in the article. Sikhs obviously know that there is only one Guru, always has been and always will be as is clear from Gurbani. If Afghana wanted to emphasize that there was only one Guru then what exactly is his “Masla” (problem) which seems irresolvable to him? In his article he is not highlighting any facts about who was the real Guru or how many there were but questioning why Kartarpuri Bir was not confiscated by the government officials and if it was then how the Sikhs managed to get the “irreplaceable” Bir back.

5) This must be a joke. Writing of Bir Sahib was not a miniscule task. It took lot of effort, time and hard work. It is ridiculous to believe that Guru Sahib and Bhai Gurdas Ji spent some hours of the day in a secret room to not let anyone else know about what was going on. Adi Granth was done parkash of openly in Darbar Sahib. It was a big event and could not be kept secret. And what was the purpose of keeping it a secret? Guru Sahib openly delivered divine message rejecting core beliefs of Hinduism and Islam. He spoke against Babur, caste system, idol worship, hajj, cultural blind practices etc but never kept his message secret. Then how could he keep the same message secret in written form? According to your statement 4, there was only one Guru (which I agree with) then why would the enemies go after Adi Granth (which holds no value to them) and not the Guru (Guru Arjan Sahib)? Jahangir expressed his wishes to destroy Sikhi by killing Guru Sahib who was not the Adi Granth. Food for thought for you: confiscating a religious book does not destroy the religion. Guru Sahib could’ve rewritten it later. Mughals knew nothing about Adi Granth and since it was not the Guru then, there was no point in destroying it. Darbar Sahib was equally important then why wasn’t it confiscated and destroyed? Keep in mind that Damdami Bir was lost during The Great Holocaust and numerous Birs were destroyed during the reign of Mir Mannu but Sikhs still survived and we still have the same Bani. List of questions is endless but keeping the truth secret is not an act of Guru Sahib but of a coward. Do you have any evidence to support your notions of keeping Adi Granth a secret? And when was this secret made public? Any credible evidence would be great.

Regarding your accusations – First of all, the link you provided addresses a line in Bachittar Natak which is not the same as Charittro Pakhyan. Second, I have a great job. I am a Radar Engineer for U.S. Air Force. Third, I depend on Guru Sahib for my survival. Lastly, you do not know anything about me but decided to insult me just because I have different opinions than you. Further, you call yourself Guru Ka Sikh and yet enjoy “erotic stories” at the same time. Then who is suffering from mental illness? You may want to pay some attention to many articles written on this site by many authors who show the attitude of “our way or highway” by ridiculing other Sikhs just because they differ in opinion. If you want to have a discussion then fine but if insulting others is the only thing you know then Guru Sahib tells me to turn around so Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji KI Fateh

Next there was another posts of responce and reply.

This is his second response. As one can see he has chosen to divert the topic instead of discussing the core "masla" of Afghana. He calls himself a Sikh and a scholar but enjoys porn and has his favourite porn stories picked out instead of favourite sakhis. The topic was never about Dasam Granth but as always such people have nothing else but Chrittars to talk about.

Dear Editor,

This is my last response to self proclaimed Internet Sikh Scholar: Bijla Singh. This person is still not getting anything in his radar which he has tuned only to ultra high frequencies.

He himself asks question and then himself answers it. He has no idea whether he is talking about Sabad Guru or Granth Guru. (I request him to go through the questions and answers by Gurmit Singh ji from Australia to understand the difference, posted right above his reply). I am quoting some of his fantabulous quotes from the reply that he has addressed to me to let the readers decide themselves:

"There is no controversy on when Shabad Guru was given guruship in the Panth."

"Sikhs obviously know that there is only one Guru, always has been and always will be as is clear from Gurbani."

"It was a big event and could not be kept secret. And what was the purpose of keeping it a secret? Guru Sahib openly delivered divine message rejecting core beliefs of Hinduism and Islam." (Put a question and then answers himself)

Also to let the readers decide what his beliefs and thinking is, I quote from his reply :

"First of all, the link you provided addresses a line in Bachittar Natak which is not the same as Charittro Pakhyan."

What he is saying is that: He don’t believe that ****** Kavita which he calls Charitro Pakhyan is written by Guru Gobind Singh. But he believes and spends his time on Internet forums and websites convincing Naam Abhyasis that :

1) Guru Gobind Singh did tapasaya on Hemkunt in his previous birth.

2) Guru Tegh Bahadur did Tapasaya at Tribeni and gave alms and donations to Brahmans so that he can get a son, while at the same time his son Guru Gobind Singh was doing Tapasaya at Hemkunt.

3) Guru Nanak is Bedi because his ancestors read Vedas and is from the lineage of Luv (son of mythological character Ram who never existed)

4) Guru RamDas is from the lineage of Kush.

5) Guru Gobind Singh had one to one conversation with God who sent him down from Hemkunt appointing him as his son (Does that sound familiar? Are we talking about another character called Jesus).

After reading his reply and catching frequencies emitted by his radar, I seriously posed a question to myself : "How can anyone take this man seriously?"

But the answer to the above was provided wayback in 1977 in Time Magazine, by Alexander Rogawski while commenting about another self deluded person who was talking and telling people about their previous birth : "Suckers are born every minute and customers can be found for everything".

Then he transforms himself from the Internet scholar mode to Internet Jathedar mode. He writes :

"Lastly, you do not know anything about me but decided to insult me just because I have different opinions than you. Further, you call yourself Guru Ka Sikh and yet enjoy "erotic stories" at the same time. Then who is suffering from mental illness?"

First of all let me tell you, I don’t need a certificate from anybody whether I am Sikh or not. So don’t pull this **** with me. Keep it on the internet forums where you post numerous times in a single day and there you can discuss among yourselves about my sikhi and ease your tension and blood pressure.

I have in my library Illustrated Kokshastar and Kamasutra by Alex Comfort which I specially bought after reading ****** Kavita to confirm 84 asans (84 poses for sexual intercourse) that I read. And let me tell you, Kokshastar and Kamasutra are noway anything near to your Charitropakhyan, This Pakhyan is ultimate xxx hardore pornographic literature. My favourite is the one where two girls indulge in homosexual encounter using vibrator. By the way, which one is your favorite?

Now let me quote him from his original post and let readers decide, what kind of hypocrite he is and, who is insulting others. This is what he wrote about Kalaafghana. Note that he don’t even write his full name and writes only Afghana out of hatred and calls him a sell-out :

"Had Afghana studied little bit of Sikh history he would’ve known these facts but a sell-out has no purpose other than to attack Sikhi and raise doubts in the minds of naïve Sikhs. Such a self-styled government scholar deserved to be excommunicated and should remain outside the circles of the Panth."

This Internet Jathedar is seriously getting into the business of ex-communicating people. Who gave the authority to ex-communicate anyone?. He says that I have insulted him. Can he quote a single instance where I disfigured his name or called him a tout or sell-out. I just exposed his hypocrisy.

Now coming back to his first question, he writes :

"Since when did you become the spokesperson of Afghana?"

He should have known better as it is written in his Bachittar Natak, but I will clarify, I became spokesperson of Kalaafghana in my previous birth when I was doing Tapasaya on Hemkunt and Kaal Purakh called me and had face to face conversation with me and told me to reply to Internet Jathedars and self declared custodians of Sikhism. It is written as follows in Bachittar Natak :

"Ab main apni katha bakhano, tap sadhat jeh bidh mohe aano

Hemkunt parbat hai jaha, sapat sring sobhit hai taha

Sapatsring the Naam kahawa, Pandu Raaj jeh Jog kamawa

Tah main adhik Tapasaya sadhi, MahaKaal Kalka Araaddhi"

About Kartarpuri Bir, no sane person believes in such cooked stories of Kartarpuri Bir. Search the archives of Sikhmarg, you will find the discussion on that here.

This man has no idea of Sabad Guru, Granth Guru, babbles unnecessarily about Bhai Gurdas. Food for thought for Bijla Singh’s radar : Did Bhai Gurdas mentions anything about writing any Bir? Did Bhai Gurdas mentions anything about any Parkash of any Granth in 1604? Did Bhai Gurdas mention any Akal Takht?

Stop ridiculing others and look inside yourself:

ਫਰੀਦਾ ਜੇ ਤੂ ਅਕਲਿ ਲਤੀਫੁ ਕਾਲੇ ਲਿਖੁ ਨ ਲੇਖ ॥ ਆਪਨੜੇ ਗਿਰੀਵਾਨ ਮਹਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਨੀਵਾਂ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖੁ ॥6॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1378}

From my side, this dialogue is closed but if other readers of Sikh Marg wants to address his concern about Bachittar Natak and Kartarpuri Bir, they can and should definitely do so.

At the end I would like to quote few lines from one of my favourite poems "The Muddlehead" by Ogden Nash, which describes the condition of a person who has no idea what he is doing, saying or talking about :

I knew a man from petushkee

As muddleheaded as could be.

He always got mixed up with clothes;

He wore his mittens on his toes,

Forgot his collar in his haste,

And tied his tie around his waist.

What a muddlehead was he

That man who lived in Petushkee

Mr. Gurpreet Singh, questions that I wrote in my post were for you to answer which you failed in terribly. Level of immaturity and idiocy shown in your reply is simply astonishing. I wrote what I believe in but obviously you failed to understand anything which suggests to me that your radar is probably jammed and receives no signal whatsoever.


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"He has no idea whether he is talking about Sabad Guru or Granth Guru."


I believe there is no difference between Guru Granth Sahib and Shabad Guru. Bhai Gurmit Singh also says that Shabad Guru was the Guru prior to 1708 which clearly means that there has always been one Guru. How is that different from what I have written? Perhaps you can look at the reference you provided of Giani Gian Singh "Guru Maneyo Granth". The same Guru Granth Sahib says "Shabad Gur Peera.." and "Bani Guru Guru Hai Bani..". You failed to provide names of Sikh scholars who believe that Guruship was passed in 1604 as you claimed in your previous reply. You also failed to provide any credible sources to back up your claims of keeping Adi Granth secret. I stated my beliefs and questions written were for you to answer but seems like you don't have any. Perhaps in your next reply, you will come up with a new subject to write on instead of addressing the current topic. Though this has nothing to do with the article or the reply but you decided to divert the topic anyway.


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"What he is saying is that: He don't believe that ****** Kavita which he calls Charitro Pakhyan is written by Guru Gobind Singh. But he believes and spends his time on Internet forums and websites convincing Naam Abhyasis that"


My beliefs are my choices but nowhere in my post have I written that I reject or accept Chrittro Pakhyan. I think your radar malfunctioned again. Perhaps you can read Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha's work on "Kalka" if you find yourself some time from reading porno.


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"First of all let me tell you, I don't need a certificate from anybody whether I am Sikh or not. So don't pull this **** with me. Keep it on the internet forums where you post numerous times in a single day and there you can discuss among yourselves about my sikhi and ease your tension and blood pressure."


I did not assert that you weren't a Sikh. Misreading and misinterpreting seems like your natural habit. Your language in your reply shows who suffers from high blood pressure. I mostly post on SikhSangat forum according to which my posts are 0.58/day. So can you show me any one forum on which I posted "numerous" times a day? Otherwise don't cook up lies and become a hypocrite.


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"This Internet Jathedar is seriously getting into the business of ex-communicating people. Who gave the authority to ex-communicate anyone?. He says that I have insulted him. Can he quote a single instance where I disfigured his name or called him a tout or sell-out. I just exposed his hypocrisy."


Once again, show me where have I claimed myself a "jathedar"? Kala Afghana was excommunicated by Akal Takhat not me. So if you have any issues then go there and talk to them. Writing a short name does not constitute to an insult. You insulted me by saying that "I suffer from mental illness and I need to find a serious job". What basis did you have to make such preposterous claims?


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"This man has no idea of Sabad Guru, Granth Guru, babbles unnecessarily about Bhai Gurdas. Food for thought for Bijla Singh's radar : Did Bhai Gurdas mentions anything about writing any Bir? Did Bhai Gurdas mentions anything about any Parkash of any Granth in 1604? Did Bhai Gurdas mention any Akal Takht?"


So now we have two different Gurus: Granth and Shabad? Stop making a fool out of yourself. Bhai Gurdas Ji also did not mention Bibi Nanki, Bhai Bhagtoo, Bhai Laalo, Rai Bular numerous other gursikhs and Sakhis. If one reaches the conclusion that these people never existed or such events never occurred then they have some serious mental issues. Bhai Gurdas Ji did not write all of the Sikh history and his Vaars are not the end of the Sikh history. What would you say about Puranic stories that are mentioned in Vaars? Did those really happen? First you say Guru Sahib kept writing of a Granth secret then you question it by saying it wasn't mentioned by Bhai Gurdas Ji. I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. You provide no reference to your claims. By writing such contradictory statements you are the one becoming a hypocrite.

"ਫਰੀਦਾ ਜੇ ਤੂ ਅਕਲਿ ਲਤੀਫੁ ਕਾਲੇ ਲਿਖੁ ਨ ਲੇਖ ॥ ਆਪਨੜੇ ਗਿਰੀਵਾਨ ਮਹਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਨੀਵਾਂ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖੁ ॥6॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1378}"

So you found some time from reading porn to quote Gurbani. Well, thanks for quoting this pankti and I definitely look at myself and try to improve my life every day. But this discussion was not about Dasam Granth which you brought in for no reason but about Mughals confiscating Kartarpuri Bir which has no basis and no reference has been provided by you or Afghana. Kala Afghana asked why Kartarpuri Bir wasn't confiscated to which I replied that this would've served no purpose as other literature and Gurdwaras were not confiscated either. I don't think you still understand the purpose of this discussion. Keeping away from Kama Sutra might help.

Well that all was there so far taken from

A Foolish Article By Kala Afghana - The Voice of Sikh Youth

Das can so far say single thing.

Before 2007 das use to think that Sirdar Sahib Kala Afghana Ji and thier fellow guys are Sikhs and misguided but they love the faith.Das never thought them to do anything with communism or leftist mindset.Das was told about thier leftist idealogy by RSS guys.Das never trusted RSS either as they do have Hindutva Agenda.They do not like Muslims and Christians while Das finds both faith very much a form of Sikhi.

One more thing about das that he has been part of the govt agency who are still fighing leftist(MCC/Naxlites etc.).

It was only after das met S. GJS Lamba JI,Dr. Anokh Singh JI and Kanwar Ajeet Singh Ji that das belived that there is something red/left with Kala Afghana Ji and his fellow people as these there Singh's das mentioned above are both Anti to Kala Afghanaism and RSS.

After this das used his own sets rule while he used in his in job to counter leftists.

Das found thier modus operandi to counter the logic by going off the topic,abuses ,vulger talk and personal attacks.All is shown over there.

Das has done the case study of Arya Samaj and Rama Krishna Mission.Both are ruined by planted comrades(Leftists).Swami Aganivesh has ruined Arya Samaj.It was OK but intellectula RK Mission of Swami Vivekananda getting spoiled pains any spritual person.

Funds for faith divertted for poltical agenda which is anti faith.

Panth is in Chardi Kala and will remain so.But one of the essential part of the Panth "Sikh Missionaries" who are must to save us from Brahmanical supperstions invading us and to develop "no non sense" appraoch in us das finds is plaguded by leftist.

Time has come ,ie for the survival of "Sikh Misssionaries" our best reformers to check the planted leftists and remove them.Else they will go the way of Arya Samaj or RK Mission.

Das is touching the doubt casting on Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji by them and not on Shri Dasham Granth Sahib Ji at all.So kindly stick to the topic.

Some verses without Ragas or Mahala(like Japu Ji Sahib or Mardana heading bearing verse) or without name of "Nanak" in them could be or are on thier target of "Logic".

Reason for das posting such things is to let Sangat gets some info.

Akal Bless.

 

[lalihayer]

"Some verses without Ragas or Mahala(like Japu Ji Sahib or Mardana heading bearing verse) or without name of "Nanak" in them could be or are on thier target of "Logic"."

Can you please be more specific?
Fateh,

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Like we have Ramkail Mahala 3 Anand.

There are vseres in Guru Granth Sahib Ji without term Mahala or Raga.

Some verse do not have term Nanak in them.like Ram Nam Ur Me Gaye Ja Ke Sam Nahi Koye Jis Simrat Sankat Mite Daras Toharo Hoye.