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Opinion ਇਕ ਦੇਸ਼ ਜੋ ਮੈਂ ਦੇਖਿਆ. A Country That I Have Envisioned

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ਇਕ ਦੇਸ਼ ਜੋ ਮੈਂ ਦੇਖਿਆ... A Country That I have Envisioned...
by ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਿੰਘ ਬਟਾਲਵੀ - Translation by our member Chaan Pardesi

ਸ਼ਾਮ ਅਜੇ ਢਲਣੀ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਹੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਜਹਾਜ਼ ਉਤਰਨ ਨੂੰ ਅਜੇ 15ਕੁ ਮਿਨਟ ਬਾਕੀ ਹਨ, ਜਹਾਜ਼ ਤੋਂ ਹੇਠਾਂ ਦਾ ਨਜ਼ਾਰਾ ਬੜਾ ਸੋਹਣਾ ਲਗ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ ਹਰ ਪਾਸੇ ਹਰਿਆਲੀ, ਕਾਲੀਆਂ ਚੌੜੀਆਂ ਸਾਫ ਸੁਥਰੀਆਂ ਸੜਕਾਂ, ਵਿਰਲੀਆਂ-ਵਿਰਲੀਆਂ ਕਾਰਾਂ, ਬੱਸਾਂ ਤੇ ਹੋਰ ਮੋਟਰ ਗਡੀਆਂ ਚਲ ਰਹੀਆਂ ਹਨ। ਜਹਾਜ਼ ਦੀਆਂ ਏਅਰ ਹੋਸਟਸ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੇ ਸਿਰ ਢੱਕੇ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ ਬੜੀ ਨਿਮਰਤਾ ਨਾਲ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਜੁਬਾਨ ਵਿੱਚ ਯਾਤਰੀਆਂ ਨਾਲ ਪੇਸ਼ ਆ ਰਹੀਆਂ ਹਨ। ਅਚਾਨਕ ਜਹਾਜ਼ ਦੇ ਸਪੀਕਰਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਅਨਾਉਸਮੈਂਟ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ “ਵਾਹਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ, ਵਾਹਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ” ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬਾਂ ਦੇ ਸਿਰਜੇ ਹੋਏ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਰਾਜ ਸਿੱਖਲੈਂਡ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਪ ਸਭ ਦਾ ਸਵਾਗਤ ਹੈ ਆਪ ਸਭ ਨੂੰ ਜੀਓ ਆਇਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਹਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਯਾਤਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਕੇ ਧਿਆਨ ਦੇਣ ਇਸ ਦੇਸ਼ ਵਿੱਚ ਹਰ ਕਿਸਮ ਦੇ ਨਸ਼ੇ ਦੀ ਸਖਤ ਮਨਾਹੀ ਹੈ, ਦੁਸਰਾ ਏਥੇ ਸਿਰਫ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਵੀਚਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਚਰਚਾ ਹੀ ਕੀਤੀ ਜਾ ਸਕਦੀ ਹੈ, ਅਨਮਤੀ ਵੀਚਾਰਾਂ ਜਾਂ ਧਰਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਦੀ ਸਖਤ ਮਨਾਹੀ ਹੈ, ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਤੋਂ ਉਲਟ ਕੋਈ ਵੀ ਕਮ ਕਨੂਨ ਦੀ ਉਲਘਣਾ ਸਮਝੀ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ, ਸਾਰੇ ਮੁਲਕ ਵਿੱਚ ਕਿਤੇ ਵੀ ਘੁਮਣ ਦੀ ਕੋਈ ਮਨਾਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਪਰ ਨਿਯਮਾਂ ਦੀ ਪਾਲਣਾ ਜਰੂਰੀ ਹੈ, ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਯਾਤਰੀਆਂ ਨੇ ਸ਼ਾਮ ਵੇਲੇ ਦਾ ਨਿਤਨੇਮ (ਰਹਿਰਾਸ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਾ ਪਾਠ) ਕਰਨਾ ਹੋਵੇ ਇਮੀਗ੍ਰੇਸ਼ਨ ਕਲੀਰੀਅੰਸ ਦੇ ਖੱਬੇ ਪਾਸੇ ਏਅਰ ਪੋਰਟ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਹੀ ਬੜਾ ਵੱਡਾ ਹਾਲ ਹੈ ਜਿੱਥੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ, ਆਪਣੇ ਸਮਾਨ ਦੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਕੀਤਿਆਂ ਬਗੈਰ ਓਥੇ ਬੈਠ ਕੇ ਪਾਠ ਕਰ ਸਕਦੇ ਹੋ, ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਘੱਟੋ-ਘੱਟ 10 ਕਿਲੋ ਮੀਟਰ ਤੇ ਹੀ ਗੁਰਦਵਾਰਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਹਰ ਗੁਰਦਵਾਰਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਘੱਟੋ-ਘੱਟ ਏਨਾ ਅੰਤਰ ਹੈ, ਕਰੰਸੀ ਬਦਲਣ ਲਈ 10 ਕਾਂਊਟਰ ਏਅਰ ਪੋਰਟ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਹਨ, ਹੋਈ ਹਰ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੀ ਤਕਲੀਫ ਲਈ ਅਸੀਂ ਖਿਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਯਾਚਕ ਹਾਂ “ਵਾਹਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ, ਵਾਹਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ”
ਜਹਾਜ਼ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਹਰ ਨਿਕਲ ਕੇ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਕਿੱਨਾਂ ਸੋਹਣਾ ਨਜ਼ਾਰਾ ਹੈ ਹਰ ਪਾਸੇ ਦਸਤਾਰ ਧਾਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਤੇ ਬੀਬੀਆਂ ਹਵਾਈ ਅੱਡੇ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਸੰਭਾਲ ਰਹੇ ਸਨ ਅਤੇ ਏਅਰ ਪੋਰਟ ਤੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖੀ, ਫਾਰਸੀ ਤੇ ਅੰਗ੍ਰੇਜੀ ਅੱਖਰਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮੇਸ਼ ਇੰਟਰਨੈਸ਼ਨਲ ਏਅਰ ਪੋਰਟ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਵੱਡਾ ਕੇਸਰੀ/ਬਸੰਤੀ ਝੰਡਾ ਰਾਸ਼ਟਰੀ ਝੰਡੇ ਦੇ ਰੂਪ ਵਿੱਚ ਲੈਹਰਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ, ਵੀਜ਼ਾ ਪਾਸਪੋਰਟ ਦੀਆਂ ਲੋੜੀਂਦੀਆ ਕਾਰਵਾਈਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਉਸ ਹਾਲ ਵਿੱਚ ਪ੍ਰਵੇਸ਼ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਿੱਥੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਸੀ ਤੇ ਸੋਦਰ ਦਾ ਪਾਠ ਚਲ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ ਮੈਂ ਮੱਥਾ ਟੇਕ ਕੇ ਬੈਠ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਸਮਾਪਤੀ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਆਪਣਾ ਸਮਾਨ ਲੈਕੇ ਕਰੰਸੀ ਬਦਲਣ ਲਈ ਬੈਂਕ ਕਾਉਂਟਰ ਤੇ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਓਥੇ ਦੀ ਕਰੰਸੀ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਦਮੜਾ ਹੈ, ਦੋ ਯੂਰੋ ਦੇ ਬਰਾਬਰ ਇਕ ਦਮੜਾ, ਹਵਾਈ ਅੱਡੇ ਤੋ ਬਾਹਰ ਨਿਕਲ ਕੇ ਦੇਖਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਬੜੀਆਂ ਸੋਹਣੀਆਂ ਟੈਕਸੀਆਂ, ਕਾਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਬੱਸਾਂ ਸਵਾਰੀਆਂ ਦੇ ਆਉਣ ਜਾਣ ਲਈ ਖੜੀਆਂ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਓਹਨਾ ਨੂੰ ਚਲਾਉਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਲਗ੍ਹ-ਭਗ੍ਹ ਸਾਰੇ ਹੀ ਸਾਬਤ ਸੂਰਤ, ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਪਾਈ ਖੁੱਲੇ ਦਾਹੜੇ, ਕਿਸੇ ਕਿਸੇ ਨੇ ਬੱਧੇ ਹੋਏ, ਕੋਈ ਗੋਰਿਆਂ ਵਰਗੇ ਕੋਈ ਅਫਰੀਕਨਾ ਵਰਗੇ ਕੋਈ ਕੋਈ ਅਰਬੀ ਤੇ ਇਰਾਨੀਆਂ ਵਰਗੇ ਕੁਝ ਬੀਬੀਆਂ ਵੀ ਟੈਕਸੀਆਂ ਤੇ ਬੱਸਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਚਾਲਕ ਹਨ, ਹਰ ਬੀਬੀ ਦਾ ਸਿਰ ਇਕ ਖਾਸ ਕਿਸਮ ਦੇ ਕਪੜੇ ਨਾਲ ਢਕਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਕੀ ਅਦਭੁਤ ਨਜ਼ਾਰਾ ਹੈ,
ਏਨੇ ਨੂੰ ਇਕ ਨੌਜਵਾਨ ਮੇਰੇ ਕੋਲ ਆ ਕੇ ਫਤਿਹ ਬੁਲਾ ਕੇ ਪੁਛਦਾ ਹੈ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ, ਫਾਰਸੀ ਜਾਂ ਇੰਗਲਿਸ਼ ਮੈਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ, ਓਹ ਕਿਹਣ ਲੱਗਾ ਕਿੱਥੇ ਜਾਓਗੇ ਮੈਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਪਹਿਲੀ ਵਾਰੀ ਆਇਆਂ ਹਾਂ ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਇਸ ਖੂਬਸੂਰਤ ਦੇਸ਼ ਵਿੱਚ ਮੈਂ ਏਥੇ ਬਾਰੇ ਕੁਝ ਜਾਂਣਦਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਹਾਂ, ਕਿਸੇ ਨੇੜੇ ਦੇ ਸ਼ਹਿਰ ਜਿੱਥੇ ਠਹਿਰਨ ਦਾ ਬੰਦੋਬਸਤ ਹੋ ਜਾਵੇ ਲੈ ਚਲੋ, ਓਹ ਕਿਹਣ ਲੱਗਾ ਕਿ ਏਥੋਂ ਅੱਧੇ ਕੁ ਘੰਟੇ ਦੀ ਵਿਥ ਤੇ ਸਮੁੰਦਰ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਲਗਦਾ ਪੈਹਲਾ ਸ਼ਹਿਰ ਹੈ ਬੇਗਮਪੁਰ ਓਥੇ ਲੈ ਚਲਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਆਮ ਹੋਟਲ ਵੀ ਕੋਈ ਬਹੁਤੇ ਮਹਿੰਗੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਅਤੇ ਨਾਲ ਹੀ ਪਰਦੇਸੀਆਂ ਦੇ ਕੁਝ ਦਿਨ ਠਹਿਰਨ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸਰਕਾਰ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਹੇਠ ਇਕ ਯਾਤਰੂ ਸਰਾਂ ਹੈ ਜਿਸਦਾ ਖਰਚ ਨਾਮ ਮਾਤਰ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਹਰ ਵੇਲੇ ਖਾਲਸ ਘਿਓ ਨਾਲ ਤਿਆਰ ਕੀਤਾ ਲੰਗਰ ਵਰਤਦਾ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਮੈਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਠੀਕ ਹੈ ਓਤੇ ਹੀ ਛੱਡ ਦਿਓ ਮੇਰੇ ਪਾਸ ਸਿਰਫ ਇਕ ਛੋਟਾ ਜਿਹਾ ਬੈਗ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਮੈਂ ਉਸ ਟੈਕਸੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਸਵਾਰ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ । ਵਕਤ ਟਪਾਉਣ ਲਈ ਮੈਂ ਐਵੇਂ ਹੀ ਗਲਬਾਤ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਕਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਮੈਂ ਪੁਛਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਕਿ ਜਾਤ ਪਾਤ ਤੇ ਅਧਾਰਤ ਸੁਸਾਇਟੀਆਂ ਏਥੇ ਵੀ ਬਣੀਆਂ ਹੋਣਗੀਆਂ ( ਮੈਂ ਸੋਚ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ ਕਿ ਸ਼ਾਇਦ ਮੇਰੀ ਜਾਤ ਦੀ ਕੋਈ ਸੁਸਾਇਟੀ ਦੀ ਆਪਣੀ ਸਰਾਂ ਬਣੀ ਹੋਵੇਗੀ ਓਥੇ ਮਾਣ ਸਤਿਕਾਰ ਸ਼ਾਇਦ ਜਾਅਦਾ ਮਿਲ ਜਾਵੇਗਾ) ਓਹ ਕਿਹਣ ਲਗਾ ਕਿ ਏਥੇ ਜਾਤ-ਪਾਤ ਦੀ ਗਲ ਕਰਨੀ ਗੁਨਾਹ ਸਮਝਿਆ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਵਿਆਹ ਸ਼ਾਦੀ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਅਗਰ ਕੋਈ ਜਾਤ ਦੀ ਗਲ ਕਰੇ ਤੇ ਉਸ ਖਿਲਾਫ ਮਾਮਲਾ ਦਰਜ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ( ਮੈਨੂੰ ਕੰਬਣੀ ਜਿਹੀ ਛਿੜ ਗਈ ਕਿ ਓਥੇ ਅਸੀਂ ਆਪਣੇ ਮੁਲਕ ਵਿੱਚ ਬੜੇ ਫਖਰ ਨਾਲ਼ ਆਪਣੀ ਜਾਤ ਆਪਣੇ ਨਾਮ ਨਾਲ ਲਗਾਉਂਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਬਲਕਿ ਗੁਰਦਵਾਰੇ ਤੇ ਸ਼ਮਸ਼ਾਨ ਘਾਟ ਵੀ ਜਾਤਾਂ ਤੇ ਅਧਾਰਤ ਬਣਾਏ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ) ਮੈਂ ਗਲ ਬਦਲ ਕੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਏਥੇ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਦੇ ਕਾਰੋਬਾਰ ਕੀ ਹਨ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਦਸਿਆ ਕਿ ਅਨਾਜ ਤੇ ਫਲ- ਫਰੂਟ ਏਥੇ ਦੀ ਮੇਨ ਉਪਜ ਹੈ, ਮਸ਼ੀਨਰੀਆਂ ਬਣਾਉਣ ਦੇ ਕਈ ਵੱਡੇ ਕਾਰਖਾਨੇ ਹਨ ਕਾਰਾਂ, ਬੱਸਾਂ ਤੇ ਟਰਕ ਵਗੈਰ੍ਹਾ ਦੁਜੇ ਮੁਲਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਵੀ ਐਕਸਪੋਰਟ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਬਾਕੀ ਸਮੁੰਦਰੀ ਜਹਾਜ਼ ਵੀ ਮੁਖ ਕਾਰੋਬਾਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਮੈਂ ਪੁਛਿਆ ਬਿਜਲੀ ਦਾ ਬੰਦੋਬਸਤ ਕਿਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਦਸਿਆ ਕਿ ਬਿਜਲੀ ਲੋੜ ਤੋਂ ਵੱਧ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਸਸਤੀ ਵੀ, ਵਾਧੂ ਬਿਜਲੀ ਅਸੀਂ ਗਵਾਂਡੀ ਮੁਲਕ ਨੂੰ ਹੋਰ ਜਿਣਸਾਂ ਦੇ ਬਦਲੇ ਦੇ ਦਿੰਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਮੈ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਜੇ ਬਿਜਲੀ ਚਲੀ ਜਾਵੇ ਫਿਰ ਕੀ ਕਰਦੇ ਹੋ ਓਹ ਕੈਹਣ ਲੱਗਾ ਕਿ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਪਤਾ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿ ਬਿਜਲੀ ਜਾਣਾ ਕਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਹੰਦੇ ਹਨ, ਗੰਨੇ, ਮੱਕੀ ਤੇ ਹੋਰ ਫਸਲਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਅਸੀਂ ਕਾਰਾਂ, ਬੱਸਾਂ ਚਲਾਉਣ ਲਈ ਬਾਲਣ ਬਣਾਉਨੇ ਹਾਂ ਜੋ ਸਾਡੀਆਂ ਲੋੜਾਂ ਪੁਰੀਆਂ ਕਰ ਦਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਮੈਂ ਪੁਛਿੱਆ ਦਿਨ ਤਿਓਹਾਰ ਕਿਹੜੇ ਮਨਾਏ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ਓਹ ਕਿਹਣ ਲੱਗਾ ਕਿ ਸਾਡਾ ਇਕੋ ਹੀ ਕੋਮੀ ਦਿਹਾੜਾ ਹੈ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਆਗਮਨ ਪੁਰਬ ਤੇ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸਾਜਨਾ ਦਿਨ ਜੋ ਤਿਨ ਦਿਨਾ ਦਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਸਾਰੇ ਕਾਰਖਾਨੇ ਤੇ ਸਰਕਾਰੀ ਅਦਾਰੇ ਬੰਦ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਨ ਪਰ ਬਜ਼ਾਰ ਜਗ-ਮਗ ਤੇ ਰੋਣਕ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਗੱਲਾਂ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਪਤਾ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਲੱਗਾ ਕਿਸ ਵੇਲੇ ਸ਼ਹਿਰ ਅੰਦਰ ਦਾਖਲ ਹੋ ਗਏ ਗੁਰਦਵਾਰਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਤੋਂ ਲਾਇਵ ਕੀਰਤਨ ਟੈਕਸੀ ਦੇ ਰੇਡੀਓ ਤੇ ਆ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ ਮੜੀ ਮਧੁਰ ਅਵਾਜ਼ ਵਿੱਚ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਚਲ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ ।
ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਕੀਤਾ ਲੋੜੀਐ ਕੰਮੁ ਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਪਹਿ ਆਖੀਐ ॥ ਕਾਰਜੁ ਦੇਇ ਸਵਾਰਿ, ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਚੁ ਸਾਖੀਐ ॥ ਸੰਤਾ ਸੰਗਿ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ, ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਚਾਖੀਐ ॥ ਭੈ ਭੰਜਨ ਮਿਹਰਵਾਨ, ਦਾਸ ਕੀ ਰਾਖੀਐ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇ, ਅਲਖੁ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਲਾਖੀਐ ॥20॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 91}
ਮੈਂ ਡਰਦਿਆਂ ਡਰਦਿਆਂ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਪੁਛਿਆ ਕਿ ਜੇ ਏਥੇ ਪੱਕੇ ਤੋਰ ਵਸਣਾ ਹੋਵੇ ਤੇ ਫਿਰ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਹੋ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਕਿਹਣ ਲਗਾ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਲਈ ਕਾਫੀ ਸਮਾ ਲਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਕੋਈ ਡੇਰੇਦਾਰ ਜਾਂ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਵਰਗੀ ਬਿਰਤੀ ਵਾਲਾ ਮਤਲਬ ਮਨਮਤੀ ਨੂੰ ਏਥੇ ਰਹਿਣ ਦੀ ਇਜ਼ਾਜਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਮੈਂ ਆਪਣੇ ਬਾਰੇ ਸੋਚਣ ਲਗਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਕਿ ਮੇਰੇ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ ਕਿੰਨੀ ਕੁ ਮਨਮਤਿ ਨਿਕਲੀ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਕਿੰਨੀ ਕੁ ਬਾਕੀ ਹੈ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਬਾਹਮਣੀ ਰੀਤਾਂ ਅਜੇ ਸਾਡੇ ਘਰਾਂ ਚੋਂ ਪੂਰੀ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਗਈਆਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਵਰਤ, ਰਖੜੀ, ਮਸਿਆ, ਸੰਗਰਾਂਦ, ਮ੍ਰਿਤਕ ਦੀਆਂ ਬਰਸੀਆਂ ਹੋਰ ਪਤਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀ ਕੀ ਕਮ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਤੋਂ ਉਲਟ ਹਨ ਕਰੀ ਜਾ ਰਹੇ ਹਾਂ ਮੇਰੇ ਵਰਗੇ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਇਸ ਮੁਲਕ ਵਿੱਚ ਜਗ੍ਹਾ ਮਿਲਣੀ ਬਹੁਤ ਮੁਸ਼ਕਲ ਹੈ (ਬਲਕਿ ਮਿਲਣੀ ਵੀ ਨਹੀ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ ਮਤਾਂ ਕਿਤੇ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਰਗਾ ਮਾੜਾ ਮਾਹੋਲ ਏਥੇ ਵੀ ਪੈਦਾ ਨਾ ਹੋ ਜਾਏ)।ਐਨ ਏਸੇ ਵਕਤ ਮੇਰੀ ਟੇਬਲ ਘੜੀ ਦਾ ਅਲਾਰਮ ਵਜ ਉਠਿਆ ਤੇ ਮੇਰੀ ਜਾਗ ਖੁਲ ਗਈ ਭਾਂਵੇ ਮੇਰੀ ਜਾਗ ਖੁਲ ਗਈ ਪਰ ਮੇਰ ਸੁਪਨਾ ਅਜੇ ਵੀ ਚਲ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਲਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਏਹ ਮੇਰੀ ਕੋਮ ਦੇ ਭਵਿਖ ਦਾ ਸੁਪਨਾ ਹੈ, ਤੇ ਇਹ ਸੁਪਨਾ ਅਜ ਵੀ ਚਲਦਾ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਚਲਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ, ਜਦੋਂ ਤਕ.....

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Gurfateh Ji

Thank you for the message. For the benefit of the wider readership, May i request you to post your message in English as well...

Thank you for the understanding in this matter.

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Aman Singh ji

We have a private message in to gsbaltavi ji to provide an English summary. Great meinds, LOL!
 

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Re: ਇਕ ਦੇਸ਼ ਜੋ ਮੈਂ ਦੇਖਿਆ

Perhaps, I may be able to help here,I hope Batalvi sahib would not mind.Sr Gurdev Singh Ji writes about a country he has seen...he says in the Punjabi article...

As it is begining to get towards the evening, there were still 15 minutes to go before the plane landed.The view below was beautiful with lots of greenary, dark tarmac, but wide and clean roads, with buses and other vehicular traffic, including cars here and there running along in an orderly manner.

Inside the plane, air hostess's heads' were neatly covered, speaking in Punjabi,were very diplomatic, friendly and respectful towards the air passengers.Suddenly an anouncement came across the speaker system-"Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh, you are all cordially welcome to the Khalsa Raj Sikhland in existence with blessings from and upon the principles of the Guru Sahibaan.All travellers are reminded that every form of addictive addiction is banned in this land and only issues pertaining to and based upon the principles of Gurbani are encouraged.No issues, such as the preaching of manmat or cult practice is entertained or encouraged. Any one contravening these rules would be deemed to have broken the law of the land.

There is no restriction to travel to any part of Sikhland, but it is imperative that the laws of the land are followed and respected.All travellers who wish to conduct their daily Nitname [Rehraas Sahib] are provided a large hall located on your left, after you have cleared the immigration.In this hall, the Guru Granth sahib is present.Passengers who may wish to conduct the Paath in the facility , may do so without worrying about your luggage.

Out of the airport Gurduaras are located almost every ten kilometers or thereabout throughout the land.There are also ten counters available for your currency requirements.We apologise, if you have been inconvenienced in any manner whatsoever, Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh"

On exiting the plane, what a wonderful sight it was to see turbanned Sikhs- both males and females were manning every position within the airport.A big sign welcomed passengers in Gurmukhi, Faarsi and English to the Sri Dasmesh International Airport.Also to be seen welcoming everyone and fluttering high in the air majestically was a very large saffron coloured Kesri Nishan sahib , at once implying it was the NATIONAL flag of this land.

After clearing the customs and immigration, I entered the hall where the Guru Granth sahib was present, and notice the paath of sodar was going on.I bow to the Guru and take a seat, cross legged.As the paath ends, I get up and collect my luggage and go to the Currency Exchange counter.The currency is called Damrra.One damrra is equivalent to two Euros.

Comming out of the airport building, I see many new and clean taxis and busses available for the use of the arriving and departing passengers.Standing around there were drivers who are fully- fledged Sikhs -sabat surat-with dastaars and Sri sahibs - Kirpans- hanging in gatras; most with open flowing beards, some with neatly tied up beards.Some of these poeple were white, others of african, Iranian or Arab apearances.There were some female drivers too, and each had her head covered by a specially designed cloth, that appeared to made for that purpose.What a wonderfully invigorating scene this appeared.

A young Sikh approaches me, wishing Guru fateh, then asks me ..Punjabi, Faarsi or English..??I reply Punjabi, and he asks where would I like to go? I answer that this is the first time, I have come to your country and do not know much about it, but if you can take me to the nearest town where I can find accomodation, I would appreciate it.He says about half an hours drive from here along the seaside is the first town, named Begaumpura, I can take you there.The hotels are not too expensive either.But also for the comfort of foreigners there is a Tourist centre which is run by the Khalsa government of Sikhland , where any tourists can find accomodation for a few days at a very nominal charge.In these places langger is prepared with pure ghee is always provided feely, with courtesy of the Khalsa raj.

I agree, that he drops me off there, and I board the taxi with my small suitcase.To while my time away on the journey , I commence a conversation with the driver, by asking him if there was any society or organisation based upon caste and tribal affliation[I was hoping that perhaps there would be one based upon my own caste where I could get some accomodation too, and perhaps a more warm welcome]The driver said that it is considered a sin to speak about such caste-jaat paat- issues.Should anyone even remotely consider such issue for weddings etc, one could be reported and charged legally.]I had shivers run through my body as in my own country we stick up our caste based biradari names with pride,and shamelessly;so much so many of our Gurduaras and even crematoriums are built and exist on the basis of caste based divisive mentality.


Quickly, I changed the subject and asked him what was the main occupation/product of the people/country.He told me the main product of the land was food and fruits.However, there are also heavy industries that produce all sorts of machinery.We export buses and cars to other countries as well.Heavy shipping production and lines can also be considered as one of our main products.I asked how do you get your electric power?He explained that they produced more power than their national needs.After providing to the country/citizens at nominal cheap rates; the excess power is exported to neighbouring countries for which in return we import other neccessary goods.I further enquired, if there was an electric failure/breakdown, what do you do?His resposne was that he does not understand what that means, as they have never experienced the lack/ or breakdown of power.

From the wastage and left over of Wheat, Maize, and Sugar Cane and other natural products we produce fuel that is sufficient for the national use within the country.

Then, I asked what are the days/festivals that are celebrated in your country?He said that we only have one National Day;the Gurpurab of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and the Khalsa Sajna Day is celebrated with a three days national holiday, when every industry and office is closed down in the country.But the towns and bazaars are lighted up and full with people participating in the festivities of those days.

We were so engrossed in convesation that I did not realise when we came into the town.Live Kirtan was being broadcast from a Gurduara via the radio in the taxi.A shabad so very sweet and melodious was playing ....

Pauri//Kita Lorriye kam soh har paveh aakhiye//Karaj deye swaar , satgur sach aakhiye//santa sangh , amrit chakhiye// bheh bhanjan mehervaan, das ki rakhiye//Nanak har gun gaye , alakh parbh lakhiye//20//

[PAUREE: Whatever work you wish to accomplish - tell it to the Lord. He will resolve your affairs; the True Guru gives His Guarantee of Truth. In the Society of the Saints, you shall taste the treasure of the Ambrosial Nectar. The Lord is the Merciful Destroyer of fear; He preserves and protects His slaves. O Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and see the Unseen Lord God].

Hesitatingly,, I asked him how can one come to stay here permanently?He said it takes time, as strict rules apply and no one who practises manmat or derawaad is allowed to live here.I begin to think about myself..and wonder how much manmat remains in me and how much have I managed to get rid off, because the brahmini practices and rituals have never been rid off from our everyday lives..rituals like rakhrri,kaurva chauth; fasting, masiya, sangrand, the puja paath of death annivesaries and other countless manmati practices we are laundering oursleves in, will NEVER qualify me to become a citizen of such a noble country, as Sikhland.

[Secretly, I was also hoping such people should not be allowed to become citizens of Sikhland as they will simply pollute the country with their excess baggage of the brahman practices they carry along, so the country becomes like the degraded and wasted Punjab is today]

Just then the table alarm went off waking me up, away from the beautiful dream, that however is still ongoing,I feel that this is not only my dream but that of my millions other Sikh brothers and sisters...that will continue to aspire us ...and inspire us ..until one day ...




Gurcharan Singh, Kulim
London/Kuala Lumpur
 

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Amaging imegination ! Kaash dunia te koi aisa desh hunda,jo read karan nu aina sohna lagda hai practical kinna khubsurat hunda.........Hats of to writer,
 

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Perhaps, I may be able to help here,I hope Batalvi sahib would not mind.Sr Gurdev Singh Ji writes about a country he has seen...he says in the Punjabi article...

As it is begining to get towards the evening, there were still 15 minutes to go before the plane landed.The view below was beautiful with lots of greenary, dark tarmac, but wide and clean roads, with buses and other vehicular traffic, including cars here and there running along in an orderly manner.

Inside the plane, air hostess's heads' were neatly covered, speaking in Punjabi,were very diplomatic, friendly and respectful towards the air passengers.Suddenly an anouncement came across the speaker system-"Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh, you are all cordially welcome to the Khalsa Raj Sikhland in existence with blessings from and upon the principles of the Guru Sahibaan.All travellers are reminded that every form of addictive addiction is banned in this land and only issues pertaining to and based upon the principles of Gurbani are encouraged.No issues, such as the preaching of manmat or cult practice is entertained or encouraged. Any one contravening these rules would be deemed to have broken the law of the land.

There is no restriction to travel to any part of Sikhland, but it is imperative that the laws of the land are followed and respected.All travellers who wish to conduct their daily Nitname [Rehraas Sahib] are provided a large hall located on your left, after you have cleared the immigration.In this hall, the Guru Granth sahib is present.Passengers who may wish to conduct the Paath in the facility , may do so without worrying about your luggage.

Out of the airport Gurduaras are located almost every ten kilometers or thereabout throughout the land.There are also ten counters available for your currency requirements.We apologise, if you have been inconvenienced in any manner whatsoever, Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh"

On exiting the plane, what a wonderful sight it was to see turbanned Sikhs- both males and females were manning every position within the airport.A big sign welcomed passengers in Gurmukhi, Faarsi and English to the Sri Dasmesh International Airport.Also to be seen welcoming everyone and fluttering high in the air majestically was a very large saffron coloured Kesri Nishan sahib , at once implying it was the NATIONAL flag of this land.

After clearing the customs and immigration, I entered the hall where the Guru Granth sahib was present, and notice the paath of sodar was going on.I bow to the Guru and take a seat, cross legged.As the paath ends, I get up and collect my luggage and go to the Currency Exchange counter.The currency is called Damrra.One damrra is equivalent to two Euros.

Comming out of the airport building, I see many new and clean taxis and busses available for the use of the arriving and departing passengers.Standing around there were drivers who are fully- fledged Sikhs -sabat surat-with dastaars and Sri sahibs - Kirpans- hanging in gatras; most with open flowing beards, some with neatly tied up beards.Some of these poeple were white, others of african, Iranian or Arab apearances.There were some female drivers too, and each had her head covered by a specially designed cloth, that appeared to made for that purpose.What a wonderfully invigorating scene this appeared.

A young Sikh approaches me, wishing Guru fateh, then asks me ..Punjabi, Faarsi or English..??I reply Punjabi, and he asks where would I like to go? I answer that this is the first time, I have come to your country and do not know much about it, but if you can take me to the nearest town where I can find accomodation, I would appreciate it.He says about half an hours drive from here along the seaside is the first town, named Begaumpura, I can take you there.The hotels are not too expensive either.But also for the comfort of foreigners there is a Tourist centre which is run by the Khalsa government of Sikhland , where any tourists can find accomodation for a few days at a very nominal charge.In these places langger is prepared with pure ghee is always provided feely, with courtesy of the Khalsa raj.

I agree, that he drops me off there, and I board the taxi with my small suitcase.To while my time away on the journey , I commence a conversation with the driver, by asking him if there was any society or organisation based upon caste and tribal affliation[I was hoping that perhaps there would be one based upon my own caste where I could get some accomodation too, and perhaps a more warm welcome]The driver said that it is considered a sin to speak about such caste-jaat paat- issues.Should anyone even remotely consider such issue for weddings etc, one could be reported and charged legally.]I had shivers run through my body as in my own country we stick up our caste based biradari names with pride,and shamelessly;so much so many of our Gurduaras and even crematoriums are built and exist on the basis of caste based divisive mentality.


Quickly, I changed the subject and asked him what was the main occupation/product of the people/country.He told me the main product of the land was food and fruits.However, there are also heavy industries that produce all sorts of machinery.We export buses and cars to other countries as well.Heavy shipping production and lines can also be considered as one of our main products.I asked how do you get your electric power?He explained that they produced more power than their national needs.After providing to the country/citizens at nominal cheap rates; the excess power is exported to neighbouring countries for which in return we import other neccessary goods.I further enquired, if there was an electric failure/breakdown, what do you do?His resposne was that he does not understand what that means, as they have never experienced the lack/ or breakdown of power.

From the wastage and left over of Wheat, Maize, and Sugar Cane and other natural products we produce fuel that is sufficient for the national use within the country.

Then, I asked what are the days/festivals that are celebrated in your country?He said that we only have one National Day;the Gurpurab of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and the Khalsa Sajna Day is celebrated with a three days national holiday, when every industry and office is closed down in the country.But the towns and bazaars are lighted up and full with people participating in the festivities of those days.

We were so engrossed in convesation that I did not realise when we came into the town.Live Kirtan was being broadcast from a Gurduara via the radio in the taxi.A shabad so very sweet and melodious was playing ....

Pauri//Kita Lorriye kam soh har paveh aakhiye//Karaj deye swaar , satgur sach aakhiye//santa sangh , amrit chakhiye// bheh bhanjan mehervaan, das ki rakhiye//Nanak har gun gaye , alakh parbh lakhiye//20//

[PAUREE: Whatever work you wish to accomplish - tell it to the Lord. He will resolve your affairs; the True Guru gives His Guarantee of Truth. In the Society of the Saints, you shall taste the treasure of the Ambrosial Nectar. The Lord is the Merciful Destroyer of fear; He preserves and protects His slaves. O Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and see the Unseen Lord God].

Hesitatingly,, I asked him how can one come to stay here permanently?He said it takes time, as strict rules apply and no one who practises manmat or derawaad is allowed to live here.I begin to think about myself..and wonder how much manmat remains in me and how much have I managed to get rid off, because the brahmini practices and rituals have never been rid off from our everyday lives..rituals like rakhrri,kaurva chauth; fasting, masiya, sangrand, the puja paath of death annivesaries and other countless manmati practices we are laundering oursleves in, will NEVER qualify me to become a citizen of such a noble country, as Sikhland.

[Secretly, I was also hoping such people should not be allowed to become citizens of Sikhland as they will simply pollute the country with their excess baggage of the brahman practices they carry along, so the country becomes like the degraded and wasted Punjab is today]

Just then the table alarm went off waking me up, away from the beautiful dream, that however is still ongoing,I feel that this is not only my dream but that of my millions other Sikh brothers and sisters...that will continue to aspire us ...and inspire us ..until one day ...




Gurcharan Singh, Kulim
London/Kuala Lumpur

Veer Gurcharan Singh ji "gur fateh" Aap jI da bahut bahut shukria mere is lekh nu english vich translate karn vaste, meri ichha hai ki hr sikh da supna eho hi hove,

beshak iesnu main likhya hai par jadon vi main is nu parda han merian akhan num ho jandian hn main bari mushkal nal aapne aap te kaboo karda han.

tuhada

Gurdev Singh Batalvi
 

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Forgive my ignorance of such matters...just wondering...is the writer referring to something that is the same as or different from Khalistan?

From the picture presented in the article, Sikhland is undoubtedly a beautiful and rewarding place to stay.....

I wonder though... how would the more mundane practicalities of nationhood be addressed? Things like:

Currency - by that not just printing the stuff but having a globally traded commodity that has some standing. How would it compare to the Rupee which is already fairly dilute when compared to the British pound?

Defence - the military resources to defend this new sovereign state

Global profile/International recognition - this would be necessary for the next point...

Trade - Imports/Exports, Gross National Product, Gross Domestic product etc. How would it be economically viable and self-sustaining?

Law & Justice - I'm assuming there would be some sort of regulatory and legislative framework that would sit outside the Indian system?

I could go on but I think there's enough here for now to get some discussion going!

Grateful for your thoughts

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Sadh Sangat,

Guru Fateh.

First of all I want to thank Gurdev Singh Batlavi ji for his imagination and also thanks to Gurcharan Singh Kulim ji for the wonderful translation.

Now, allow me to give my 2 cent worth in a blunt manner on this story.

This story of a utopic country reminds me more of a country like Saudi Arabia with its Sharia law than anything based on Gurmat ideals.

I am deeply offended by this as a Sikh and it gives me the shivers to know how this imaginary "Sikh country" functions in a dictatorial fashion.

According to the essay this country practices something even worse than the Apartheid and the Caste System.

Only Sikhs are residents of this country although the authour creates some converts from other countries. Now, if we check the SGGS, our only Guru, we will find people from all different religions but with one simple idea of breeding goodness within for all.

The four doors of Darbar Sahib teach us two things. The first is that all are welcome and the second is that all can practice their own faiths.

Sikhi is about internal manifestation of love not about external impositions by the outsiders. SGGS, our only Guru, our only GPS gives us the tools to instill this internal manifestation unlike what this "Sikh country" does. It only imposes its own form of "Sharia law".

The real Sikhland based on Gurmat ideals given to us on SGGS is about living in harmony with people from all walks of life, of any hue,creed and faith and giving all the freedom to practice their own faiths in their own way.

I can go on and on and talk about the medicines that have intoxicants, toxins and alcohol but it is better to stop here.

A disappointed Sikh.

Tejwant Singh
 

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Hesitatingly,, I asked him how can one come to stay here permanently?He said it takes time, as strict rules apply and no one who practises manmat or derawaad is allowed to live here.I begin to think about myself..and wonder how much manmat remains in me and how much have I managed to get rid off, because the brahmini practices and rituals have never been rid off from our everyday lives..rituals like rakhrri,kaurva chauth; fasting, masiya, sangrand, the puja paath of death annivesaries and other countless manmati practices we are laundering oursleves in, will NEVER qualify me to become a citizen of such a noble country, as Sikhland.

How can we say that another person lives and preaches from manmatt, and yet we do not?

How can we say that the life of another is shot through with rituals, thus spiritually inferior, and yet our life is not filled with other kinds of pujas and rituals? They may be more difficult to spot because they are more sophisticated.

How do we know when we judge that we ourselves have not distorted the message of shabadguru?

How do we know that someone else is lost? But we ourselves are in full command of the spiritual journey?
 

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Sadh Sangat,

The real Sikhland based on Gurmat ideals given to us on Sri Guru Granth Sahib is about living in harmony with people from all walks of life, of any hue,creed and faith and giving all the freedom to practice their own faiths in their own way.

Dear Tejwant ji

It's an excellent point

I wonder if I could follow this through and take it even further...if the purpose of our life is to return to The Source, why even bother attempting to create utopia on Earth in the first place?

Why is it necessary?
 

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My Dear fellow SPN'ers

I do not wish to offend anyone but I do want to understand more about what people think of an independent sovereign Sikh State like Khalistan. If you think this is not the appropriate thread then I am happy to start another but it is something I would like to discuss

I have never really understood why such a place is absolutely necessary and how it reflects Sikhism so would really appreciate your feedback here

Again, by challenging the concept of Khalistan my intention is not to offend but to learn more about it

Aside from the religious angle, it's something that interests me as I am Scottish and at present we have a devolved government led by the Scottish National Party who are keen to create an independent Scotland. So some parallels there I think.....

Thanks in advance
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siqkwr Xog vIr gurdyv isMG jIau, guru Piqh prvwn krnI/

dws ny qy quhwfy iek pMQk supny nUM iek gYr bolIy ivc hornW nwl sWJy krn dI koiSS kIqI,prbMDkW dI Arz krn qy/bs ieh hI QoVI ijhI syvw prvwn krnI /

APsos ik iek supxy nUM qy sihq dy igAwn pKoN kory ku~J lok ies nUM hor hI rMg dyx dI vI koiSS sdw krdy rihxgy/ieho ijhy suMdr supxy vwly iKAwlwq sWJy krn dw jo ijgrw kIqw hY,ausdI vDweI hovy/

Awp dw Su~BicMqk,
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Veer Gurcharan Singh ji "gur fateh" Aap jI da bahut bahut shukria mere is lekh nu english vich translate karn vaste, meri ichha hai ki hr sikh da supna eho hi hove,beshak iesnu main likhya hai par jadon vi main is nu parda han merian akhan num ho jandian hn main bari mushkal nal aapne aap te kaboo karda han.
tuhada
Gurdev Singh Batalvi
Dear Veer Gurdev Singh, Upon the request for translation, I took the opportunity to share it with the wider readership.Please accept this little sewa.Sometimes,such dreams can be misunderstood,due to poor imagination or misconception and lack of understanding, even though it was only A dream.

Thank you, for sharing bravely such wonderfully illustrated dream.
Gurcharan Singh, Kulim
Kuala Lumpur/London



 

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Sat Sri Akal ji,
In GS Batalavi ji's story I feel lot of peace, in today's world every where everyday shootings,murders,accidents or fighting happens(in real). In the story he imagine country like heaven.What's wrong with that. I don't think he was that technical, that give the direction to Khalistan or something...something....something. Personally I feel like it is a wonderful story. Why we that much discurreged .
 

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.Sometimes, such dreams can be misunderstood,due to poor imagination or misconception and lack of understanding, even though it was only A dream.

Thank you, for sharing bravely such wonderfully illustrated dream.
I too would like to add my thanks for sharing this vision

I want to understand it better and would appreciate your views regarding the points I have raised in my last 3 posts on this thread

Thank you
 

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Sat Sri Akal ji,
In GS Batalavi ji's story I feel lot of peace, in today's world every where everyday shootings,murders,accidents or fighting happens(in real). In the story he imagine country like heaven.What's wrong with that. I don't think he was that technical, that give the direction to Khalistan or something...something....something. Personally I feel like it is a wonderful story. Why we that much discurreged .

Dear A.Mother Ji
You are right it was a nice story....perhaps I should have raised my queries on a new thread

I can dream as well. I can dream the whole world converts to Sikhism thus ending a lot of needless conflict and strife. There would be no need to make any sort of distinctions or apply conditions as everyone would be Sikh

But it's just a dream

Having had the vision, perhaps we can have some intelligent discussion around the vision? That's all I want to do
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[QUOTE=Seeker9;133915

I can dream as well. I can dream the whole world converts to Sikhism thus ending a lot of needless conflict and strife.

Yes you can dream that. I don't want to convert anyone.
 

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Dear Tejwant ji

It's an excellent point

I wonder if I could follow this through and take it even further...if the purpose of our life is to return to The Source, why even bother attempting to create utopia on Earth in the first place?

Why is it necessary?

Seeker9 ji,

Guru fateh.

Well said. Sikhi is about getting rid of ego and arrogance, not to build their foundation on this Earth.:)

Regards

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Sometimes,such dreams can be misunderstood,due to poor imagination or misconception and lack of understanding, even though it was only A dream.
Gurcharan Singh, Kulim
Kuala Lumpur/London




Gurcharan Singh Kulim ji,

Guru Fateh.

That is a bold statement of prejudgment of others on your part which is surprising to say the least coming from a Sikh scholar like you. Sikhi teaches us not to be prejudgemental, to the contrary.

You should know better that imagination is a subjective thing where as misconception and lack of understanding is an objective matter which has nothing to do with anyone's dream.

Can you please give me one verse from Sri Guru Granth Sahib, our only Guru that claims that this dream is based on Sikhi ideals and hence should be realised?

Once again, for me this dream is nothing but a place like Saudi Arabia with its own Sharia law which is not Sikhi is about no matter how much we dream.


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Tejwant Singh Ji,
Behadd Nimartta sahit Gurfateh,


"That is a bold statement of prejudgment of others on your part which is surprising to say the least coming from a Sikh scholar like you. Sikhi teaches us not to be prejudgemental, to the contrary".

Perhaps, you may have regarded yourself as a scholar.I am not, and I dont regard myself as a scholar.I can give many verses from Guru Granth sahib, but that would not help anyone else or you.One needs to understand the Guru Granth sahib oneself.I dont use the Granth Sahib to score points either.It is beyond that for me.I have never done that and dont intend to now.

Perhaps, before we go any futher, can you tell me what is the difference in you prejudging Sr Gurdev singh Ji and his dream? [and accusing a small time learner like me, by prejudging and assuming that you know more about the verses from Guru Granth sahib than anyone else.If you do, I wish you good luck.Is that not prejudgemental and egoist slighted?Dont you think you are contradicting yourself- on the basis of ' do what I say and not what I do'. But I shall not judge upon it.

I am not here to argue nor prejudge anyone.I am here to share what I have and read, and learn from others.No one else reading a hundereds of verses from the Guru sahib can do me any good;neither me giving someone a verse will do any one any good.One needs to toil one's own.This is not a mail order of Guru granth sahib verses.I am sure you may have read the Guru sahib, but looks like not digested its message with tolerance and respect to others.

A couple of points I omited to add,to me it looks like YOU are very intolerant and acted like sharia law itself and ASSUMED about Sr Gurdev Singh Ji's simple literary work based on a dream.This equates to the pot calling the kettle black.You twisted that into sharia law, khalistan etc with accusation towards the writer , seated from a high pedastral, that does not befit one who claims to read the Guru Granth sahib.I see no tolerance, humility, wand sikhna, ader maan, and any aao bhagat towards that article and the individual.Perhaps, making wild assumptions and accusations are easier than understanding the Guru Granth sahib ji.

Again, I have not used the words like rage, assumptions, angry or personal in my response.But you have.I have written more than, I would normally when responding to such narcissstic writing.For a Sikh to even equate a Sikh dream to sharia explains all that is to understand about an individual.

I respect whatever your views are.But I dont have to agree, as I would not expect you to.I am not interested in trying to be a cyber or arm chair warrior, as I have seen many dirty politics on the nets before since 1994, and dont intend to involve into one.You are free to wave the wand of your good knowledge, I have no problems, nor any objections.

I have many other better things to do in my life.Please regard this as my last and final, but bold mail on the subject.



Nimartta sahit Gur fateh
Gurcharan Singh, Kulim








Gurcharan Singh Kulim ji,

Guru Fateh.

That is a bold statement of prejudgment of others on your part which is surprising to say the least coming from a Sikh scholar like you. Sikhi teaches us not to be prejudgemental, to the contrary.

You should know better that imagination is a subjective thing where as misconception and lack of understanding is an objective matter which has nothing to do with anyone's dream.

Can you please give me one verse from Sri Guru Granth Sahib, our only Guru that claims that this dream is based on Sikhi ideals and hence should be realised?

Once again, for me this dream is nothing but a place like Saudi Arabia with its own Sharia law which is not Sikhi is about no matter how much we dream.


Regards

Tejwant Singh
 

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