Very true and very interesting....some Vaisnavite groups (in order to prove that Sikhism is indeed Hinduism), state that Guru Nanak was a follower of Bhaghat Kabir (not true).jio,
This is not a simple question with a simple answer. Some, not all, of the hymns of Kabeer, and some but not all of the hymns of Ramanand, were included in the original Adi Granth. The decision of which hymns to include was made by Sri Guru Arjan Dev Maharaj. The bhagats, and there were 14 in all, whose hymns were included in the Adi Granth, also wrote many hymns that were not chosen by the Guru. These hymns (the ones that were not included) are part of other panths. They are not part of Sikhism.
However, those hymns that were selected for Adi Granth were included because Guru Arjan Dev saw in them the jyot of the Satguru who speaks through the 10 Gurus and through Sri Guru Granth Sahib today. In their hymns Kabeer and Ramanand are speaking with the Divine jyot. Insofar as these hymns speak in the same voice and with the same jyot, they are part of the Guru and we learn from them. Guru is teacher. We learn from a teacher, a Guru. The Guru is Sri Guru Granth Sahib.
i dont know the answer...
but i do have a few related questions of my own...
IF indeed Ramanand Ji is the Guru of Kabir ji..then WHO was the actual Guru of Ramanand Ji..and before that....
2. Who was the Guru of....Namdev Ji, Ravidass Ji..Sadhana ji..Farid Ji...bheekhan ji.. and their Guur before them...
Gyani jarnail singh
mesweetcute Ji, the answer to your question is very simple. The actual Guru of Sahib Kabir Ji is 'God', just like it is for every human. There is no difference between a saint, a brahmgyani, a true Guru, Guru Granth Sahib Ji and God. Once the Light merges into Itself, no identity remains any more. mesweetcute ji, you will not find many who want to or like to believe this truth, including many of those who read and sing Gurbani several times a day. It is the ultimate Truth, very hard to digest for many, as it requires the identity to be dissolved-which is a major roadblock for today's fake baba mundlees out there throughout the world, (who will offer gold and money to them, if people will start believing that God is Guru and Guru is God-no difference?). Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Ji is telling us this truth multiple times, if one wants to actually hear it, believe it, and live it.who was the guru of sahib kabir..............as some shows ramanand ji.but i want to know who was the actual guru of sahib kabir...day there r lots of people who want to know dis....
aad0002 Ji, absolutely, yes.Honey22 ji
Are you saying that Sri Guru Granth Sahib is God?
God is everywhere, we dont need to find Him, need to surrender our mind.Or are you saying that God is found in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, insofar as the divine jyote is merged in the Guru?
First of all, aad0002 Ji,Pardon me Honey22 ji,
The last line of your fonts is Gurmukhi only and the attendant transliteration and English translation are missing.
You must be aware that there are followers of the Shabad Guru who do not view Sri Guru Granth Sahib as God because the Akaal Purakh(u) does not incarnate or take a physical form. Yes Light merges into Light -- but that can be taken in another way. The light of the 10 Nanaks, The Guru, and all the of the holy merge into Him, into His Light, but they do not become Him because He is greater than all of His creation. The separateness of their identity ceases to be and is overcome in this experience. But His identity does not cease.
He is immanent. He is transcendent. He is in His creation; He is greater than His creation. So we as part of His Creation can/even indeed may merge with the great ocean of His Truth, but He is Self-created. The sum total of His Creation cannot equal His greatness because his greatness is immeasurable.
ਮਾਝ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥
maajh mehalaa 4 ||
Maajh, Fourth Mehl:
ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਪੜੀਐ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗੁਣੀਐ ॥
har gun parreeai har gun guneeai ||
Read of the Lord's Glories and reflect upon the Lord's Glories.
ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਕਥਾ ਨਿਤ ਸੁਣੀਐ ॥
har har naam kathhaa nith suneeai ||
Listen continually to the Sermon of the Naam, the Name of the Lord, Har, Har.
ਮਿਲਿ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਏ ਜਗੁ ਭਉਜਲੁ ਦੁਤਰੁ ਤਰੀਐ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥
mil sathasangath har gun gaaeae jag bhoujal dhuthar thareeai jeeo ||1||
Joining the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation, and singing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, you shall cross over the treacherous and terrifying world-ocean. ||1||
ਆਉ ਸਖੀ ਹਰਿ ਮੇਲੁ ਕਰੇਹਾ ॥
aao sakhee har mael karaehaa ||
Come, friends, let us meet our Lord.
ਮੇਰੇ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮ ਕਾ ਮੈ ਦੇਇ ਸਨੇਹਾ ॥
maerae preetham kaa mai dhaee sanaehaa ||
Bring me a message from my Beloved.
ਮੇਰਾ ਮਿਤ੍ਰੁ ਸਖਾ ਸੋ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮੁ ਭਾਈ ਮੈ ਦਸੇ ਹਰਿ ਨਰਹਰੀਐ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥
maeraa mithra sakhaa so preetham bhaaee mai dhasae har narehareeai jeeo ||2||
He alone is a friend, companion, beloved and brother of mine, who shows me the way to the Lord, the Lord of all. ||2||
ਮੇਰੀ ਬੇਦਨ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਜਾਣੈ ॥
maeree baedhan har gur pooraa jaanai ||
My illness is known only to the Lord and the Perfect Guru.
ਹਉ ਰਹਿ ਨ ਸਕਾ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਮ ਵਖਾਣੇ ॥
ho rehi n sakaa bin naam vakhaanae ||
I cannot continue living without chanting the Naam.
ਮੈ ਅਉਖਧੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਮੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਉਧਰੀਐ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥
mai aoukhadhh manthra dheejai gur poorae mai har har naam oudhhareeai jeeo ||3||
So give me the medicine, the Mantra of the Perfect Guru. Through the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, I am saved. ||3||
ਹਮ ਚਾਤ੍ਰਿਕ ਦੀਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣਾਈ ॥
ham chaathrik dheen sathigur saranaaee ||
I am just a poor song-bird, in the Sanctuary of the True Guru,
ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਬੂੰਦ ਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਈ ॥
har har naam boondh mukh paaee ||
who has placed the Drop of Water, the Lord's Name, Har, Har, in my mouth.
ਹਰਿ ਜਲਨਿਧਿ ਹਮ ਜਲ ਕੇ ਮੀਨੇ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਲ ਬਿਨੁ ਮਰੀਐ ਜੀਉ ॥੪॥੩॥
har jalanidhh ham jal kae meenae jan naanak jal bin mareeai jeeo ||4||3||
The Lord is the Treasure of Water; I am just a fish in that water. Without this Water, servant Nanak would die. ||4||3||
aad0002 Ji, amazing sum totals you are providing, are you able to see the other end of the universe.aad0002 said:The sum total of His Creation cannot equal His greatness because his greatness is immeasurable.