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What Is Faith And Dharama As Per Gurbani
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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 60958" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Respected Begum ji.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Greetings to you and Thanks for your elaborate reply.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I shall come to the point without any prolegomenon and shall be grateful for your guidance. </span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">WORD/SABAD</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In this context it is state that the ‘word’ that you have stated should be ‘OM’ as it is supposedly the voice of the creator that was employed for creating the entire ‘Sargun’ creation. </span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">OM and reference in Scriptures</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">We have a reliable reference of ‘OM’ as it appears in Geeta . Geeta is supposed to be containing the essence of the entire Vedas that were also the creation of The Lord Himself. It is also representative of the Tri Gunas.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This has been also confirmed by Gurbani as well. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The method of uttering/chanting of OM is very lucidly stated in this Holy Book that sikhs have been prohibited to follow as per Rehat-Nama. I am not sure as to what was the position when the First Rehatnama would have been prescribed by the Guru sahibs when Rehat was introduced formally. </span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">ONG and Sikhs</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The parallel word in Sikhi is stated to be ‘ONG’ .I do not have any scriptural reference.[ if any is available]. ‘ONG’ is stated to be derived from the OM . Hence the two words are not the same.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Problem and reconciliation-1.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Can there be two words like OM and ONG that were employed by the Almighty for bringing the creation into being and setting the play in motion.? As per common sense there cannot be two words. It has to be one only. OM is more ancient than ONG. It would be as per common understanding as well.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">One would have to reconcile the above and a consensus should emerge as to the ‘word’ used for the purpose of the Creation. There is nothing that I can suggest as ONG is employed in Ek-Ong-kar as well. The problem can be sorted out if one believes in Vedas. The Sikh Rehat- nama as drafted by SGPC clearly prohibits the Vedas/Geeta for Sikhs.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Name of Lord and Naam</span></span></strong></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">While discussing Gurbani and going through it very carefully one finds that the term Like the ‘Name of Lord’ and ‘Naam’ have been used. The translators in their own wisdom have chosen to select 'Naam' or 'Name' while carrying out the translations.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> The former refers to ‘Waheguru’/Satnam/Ek-ong-kar while the latter refers to the term /’word’ like ONG. </span></span></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Kindly correct me if it is wrong inference.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Problem and Reconciliation-2</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">2a. Waheguru</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Sikhs are to mediate and remember the Almighty uttering/chanting the Name of the lord/God . One may use any name that has been used in Jaap sahib ji or ‘waheguru’ or anything that is representative of the Almighty. One may even coin a new expression for oneself that suits one. The terms <span style="color: blue">‘<em>waheguru</em></span>’ and ‘<em>Allah-hu</em>’ brings in some element of respective religion or have some secteran appeal. There is no direct reference or guidance in SGGS ji in this regard. I am not aware of this. I stand to be corrected if there is such a provision. <span style="color: blue">However, we rely on ‘<em>waheguru –gurumantra hey</em>’ that is stated in <em>Vaaran </em><em>[Bhai Gurdas ji]. There is no inclusion in the SGGS ji.</em></span></span></span></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">However, one need not go into any controversy and can remember HIM by any name that suits.</span></span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">2b. Naamdaan</span></span></em></strong></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">There is similar term like ‘naam’ that refers to the ‘word’ as stated by you. The term for Sikhs is ‘ONG’. I would be very grateful if it is so and if that be the case then why should the Guru Saahibaan be addressing something like ‘Naamdaan’ if Naam/’word’ is already known if one takes ONG into consideration. This term has been used daily by the Sikhs all over the world.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: blue"><em>What is the significance of Naam Daan in relation to Sikhs?</em> </span></span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">2b.1 Naam a Gift from God.</span></span></em></strong></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Why should it be that almost entire Granth sahib ji contains the reference to it as a gift from GOD and the precious jewel that one has to obtain from the God who will give it to the devotees as if it is something tangible. Kindly correct me. Things would be easier if there is some transparency in Sikhi literature. I can assure you, Sir, that none talks about this in this explicit manner.</span></span></em></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: blue"><em>If it is a gift from God then what is the significance of the term ‘ONG’ that is so beautifully embraced in Ek-Ong-Kaar.?</em></span></span></span></em></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">If above is not correct, kindly state and correct me as well.</span></span></em></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">2b.2 Contemplation on Naam and significance</span></span></em></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">It is also in Gurbani that one should contemplate the ‘Naam’. What is the meaning of this. Should one contemplate on ’ONG’? I shall quote some ‘Tuks from SGGS ji in my next post after your goodself has replied and I have a confidence that I am correct in my various assumptions.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">2b.3</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">What will happen if we keepon remembering HIM by the name of GOD and not through the ‘word’?</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Problem-3</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">3.a.Bani</span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">As stated in one of your post Bani also means the same. I shall make two assumptions as follows and one question in <strong>3b.</strong></span></span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Gurbani is to be stated that contains the spritual wisdom and guidance in SGGs ji.</span></span></li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The ‘word’ or ‘sound of this word’ has been stated to be ‘True Bani’ or Saachi Bani’. </span></span></li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">3.b</span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">When we say ‘Bani nirankar Hi’ ,do we mean that ‘guru sabad’ i.e. Gurbani is Nirankar. Or the term ‘word’ like ONG is Nirankaar.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">It is quite likely that I might have gone tangent to the usual meaning.I need not reiterate that I stand to be corrected and forgiven if I have caused any disrespect to anything or might have hurt someone in the process.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong>Problem-4</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong>Sabad/ Shabad</strong></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">At many places we have a reference of shabad in SGGS Ji. It has two meanings :</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">1. The 'word' as stated by you above.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">2. The one , as is understood by sikhs, to mean the "Shabads' taken from SGGS ji/Sabad guru to eulogise the Creator and </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Creativity.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><em><span style="color: blue">One has to take out the contextual meaning.Am I correct.?</span></em></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: blue">I think we have covered the terms like 'Name of God'/Naam/NaamDaan/Sabad/Shabad/ True Bani/Gurbani.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 60958, member: 5290"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Respected Begum ji.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Greetings to you and Thanks for your elaborate reply.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I shall come to the point without any prolegomenon and shall be grateful for your guidance. [/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]WORD/SABAD[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]In this context it is state that the ‘word’ that you have stated should be ‘OM’ as it is supposedly the voice of the creator that was employed for creating the entire ‘Sargun’ creation. [/SIZE][/FONT] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]OM and reference in Scriptures[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]We have a reliable reference of ‘OM’ as it appears in Geeta . Geeta is supposed to be containing the essence of the entire Vedas that were also the creation of The Lord Himself. It is also representative of the Tri Gunas.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]This has been also confirmed by Gurbani as well. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The method of uttering/chanting of OM is very lucidly stated in this Holy Book that sikhs have been prohibited to follow as per Rehat-Nama. I am not sure as to what was the position when the First Rehatnama would have been prescribed by the Guru sahibs when Rehat was introduced formally. [/SIZE][/FONT] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]ONG and Sikhs[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The parallel word in Sikhi is stated to be ‘ONG’ .I do not have any scriptural reference.[ if any is available]. ‘ONG’ is stated to be derived from the OM . Hence the two words are not the same.[/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Problem and reconciliation-1.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Can there be two words like OM and ONG that were employed by the Almighty for bringing the creation into being and setting the play in motion.? As per common sense there cannot be two words. It has to be one only. OM is more ancient than ONG. It would be as per common understanding as well.[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]One would have to reconcile the above and a consensus should emerge as to the ‘word’ used for the purpose of the Creation. There is nothing that I can suggest as ONG is employed in Ek-Ong-kar as well. The problem can be sorted out if one believes in Vedas. The Sikh Rehat- nama as drafted by SGPC clearly prohibits the Vedas/Geeta for Sikhs.[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Name of Lord and Naam[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/B] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]While discussing Gurbani and going through it very carefully one finds that the term Like the ‘Name of Lord’ and ‘Naam’ have been used. The translators in their own wisdom have chosen to select 'Naam' or 'Name' while carrying out the translations.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] The former refers to ‘Waheguru’/Satnam/Ek-ong-kar while the latter refers to the term /’word’ like ONG. [/SIZE][/FONT] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Kindly correct me if it is wrong inference.[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Problem and Reconciliation-2[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]2a. Waheguru[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Sikhs are to mediate and remember the Almighty uttering/chanting the Name of the lord/God . One may use any name that has been used in Jaap sahib ji or ‘waheguru’ or anything that is representative of the Almighty. One may even coin a new expression for oneself that suits one. The terms [COLOR=blue]‘[I]waheguru[/I][/COLOR]’ and ‘[I]Allah-hu[/I]’ brings in some element of respective religion or have some secteran appeal. There is no direct reference or guidance in SGGS ji in this regard. I am not aware of this. I stand to be corrected if there is such a provision. [COLOR=blue]However, we rely on ‘[I]waheguru –gurumantra hey[/I]’ that is stated in [I]Vaaran [/I][I][Bhai Gurdas ji]. There is no inclusion in the SGGS ji.[/I][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]However, one need not go into any controversy and can remember HIM by any name that suits.[/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [B][I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]2b. Naamdaan[/FONT][/SIZE][/I][/B] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]There is similar term like ‘naam’ that refers to the ‘word’ as stated by you. The term for Sikhs is ‘ONG’. I would be very grateful if it is so and if that be the case then why should the Guru Saahibaan be addressing something like ‘Naamdaan’ if Naam/’word’ is already known if one takes ONG into consideration. This term has been used daily by the Sikhs all over the world.[/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=blue][I]What is the significance of Naam Daan in relation to Sikhs?[/I] [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [B][I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I][/B] [B][I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]2b.1 Naam a Gift from God.[/FONT][/SIZE][/I][/B] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Why should it be that almost entire Granth sahib ji contains the reference to it as a gift from GOD and the precious jewel that one has to obtain from the God who will give it to the devotees as if it is something tangible. Kindly correct me. Things would be easier if there is some transparency in Sikhi literature. I can assure you, Sir, that none talks about this in this explicit manner.[/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=blue][I]If it is a gift from God then what is the significance of the term ‘ONG’ that is so beautifully embraced in Ek-Ong-Kaar.?[/I][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]If above is not correct, kindly state and correct me as well.[/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [B][I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I][/B] [B][I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]2b.2 Contemplation on Naam and significance[/FONT][/SIZE][/I][/B] [B][I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]It is also in Gurbani that one should contemplate the ‘Naam’. What is the meaning of this. Should one contemplate on ’ONG’? I shall quote some ‘Tuks from SGGS ji in my next post after your goodself has replied and I have a confidence that I am correct in my various assumptions.[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]2b.3[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]What will happen if we keepon remembering HIM by the name of GOD and not through the ‘word’?[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Problem-3[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]3.a.Bani[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]As stated in one of your post Bani also means the same. I shall make two assumptions as follows and one question in [B]3b.[/B][/FONT][/SIZE] [LIST] [*][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Gurbani is to be stated that contains the spritual wisdom and guidance in SGGs ji.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LIST][SIZE=3][/SIZE] [LIST] [*][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The ‘word’ or ‘sound of this word’ has been stated to be ‘True Bani’ or Saachi Bani’. [/SIZE][/FONT][/LIST][SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]3.b[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]When we say ‘Bani nirankar Hi’ ,do we mean that ‘guru sabad’ i.e. Gurbani is Nirankar. Or the term ‘word’ like ONG is Nirankaar.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT='Times New Roman']It is quite likely that I might have gone tangent to the usual meaning.I need not reiterate that I stand to be corrected and forgiven if I have caused any disrespect to anything or might have hurt someone in the process.[/FONT] [FONT='Times New Roman'][B]Problem-4[/B][/FONT] [FONT='Times New Roman'][B]Sabad/ Shabad[/B][/FONT] [FONT='Times New Roman']At many places we have a reference of shabad in SGGS Ji. It has two meanings :[/FONT] [FONT='Times New Roman']1. The 'word' as stated by you above.[/FONT] [FONT='Times New Roman']2. The one , as is understood by sikhs, to mean the "Shabads' taken from SGGS ji/Sabad guru to eulogise the Creator and [/FONT] [FONT='Times New Roman']Creativity.[/FONT] [FONT='Times New Roman'][I][COLOR=blue]One has to take out the contextual meaning.Am I correct.?[/COLOR][/I][/FONT] [FONT='Times New Roman'][COLOR=blue]I think we have covered the terms like 'Name of God'/Naam/NaamDaan/Sabad/Shabad/ True Bani/Gurbani.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT='Times New Roman'][/FONT] [FONT='Times New Roman'][/FONT] [FONT='Times New Roman'][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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