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What Is Faith And Dharama As Per Gurbani
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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 60880" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 10px">Respected Sir,</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 10px">Your answer is very diplomatically drafted.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 10px">However, I shall be frank with you. My mother in law visited me a few days back. She is an Amritdhari Lady and is very punctual in maintaing the Sikhi ways of Life. I had asked her what is Naam for ‘sikh’. She responded without any hesitation or delay. I would also fall in line and would state that ‘waheguru’ is the Naam for me. As on date,there is no reason for me to believe otherwise. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 10px">‘Naam’ may not be a word . I should not know the answer to your question if the answer is other wise. After referring to Granth Sahib ji one may think that Naam is or may be a state of mind as it is present in every one of us. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 10px">I am quoting few lines as follows:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">nwmu AauKDu soeI jnu pwvY ] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(179-4, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px">He alone receives the panacea, the medicine of the Naam,</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">kir ikrpw ijsu Awip idvwvY ] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(179-4, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px">unto whom the Lord, in His Grace, bestows it.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue">The following lines are also helpful for deducing something called as /Naam’.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">sB ikCu qyrw qUM krxYhwru ] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(178-17, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Everything is Yours; You are the Creator Lord.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">AMqu nwhI ikCu pwrwvwru ] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(178-17, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px">You have no end or limitation.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">dws Apny kau dIjY dwnu ] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(178-17, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Please give this gift to Your servant,</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">kbhU n ivsrY nwnk nwmu ]5]9]78] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(178-18, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 10px">that Nanak might never forget the Naam. ||5||9||78||</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">From the above lines I get some indication that Naam should be something that should not be forgotten and it is equivalent to the name of the Lord that has the energy present in it that is the insignia of the Lord Himself. Hence it cannot be a state of mind. </span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">nwmu AauKDu soeI jnu pwvY ] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(179-4, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[He alone receives the panacea, the medicine of the Naam,]</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">kir ikrpw ijsu Awip idvwvY ] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(179-4, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px">unto whom the Lord, in His Grace, bestows it.]</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 10px">Again from the following ‘Tuks’</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">gurmqI Git cwnxw sbid imlY hir nwau ]2] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(30-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Through the Guru's Teachings, the heart is illuminated. Through the Shabad, the Name of the Lord is received. |]</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: yellowgreen">Following lines are quoted for reference</span></span>:</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">nwmu inDwnu sd min vsY mhlI pwvY Qwau ]1] rhwau ] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(30-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">[The Treasure of the Naam abides forever within the mind, and one's place of rest is found in the Mansion of the Lord's Presence.]</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">As per the above ‘Naam ‘ is present in the mind and one has to realize this. As I do not have indepth knowledge of the bani , I do conclude that One has to realise the naam and that it should be either a state of mind or should be ‘akhar’ or some ‘sabad’ only.This may be in the form of cosmic energy that may be pervading in ‘etheric Akaash’ and we have to feel the vibes as this energy is energised by the Naam.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">As per the following it should be something that should not be forgotten. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">nwnk gurmuiK nwmu iDAweIAY sic imlwvw hoie ]4]13]46] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(31-15, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">[O Nanak, the Gurmukh meditates on the Naam, and is united with the True Lord. ]</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Following line is also suggestive that Naam should be a word only or something like a feeling/state of mine that is beyond description e’g the taste of salt can best be explained by some word and hence we have to take the help of some words to explain the concept of Naam else we cannot discuss about this. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">AMimRqu swcw nwmu hY khxw kCU n jwie ] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(33-3, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">[The True Name is the Ambrosial Nectar; no one can describe it.]</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">It is given or realised if He bestows His grace.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">Awpy dyie q pweIAY horu krxw ikCU n jwie ] </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(33-4, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">[He Himself gives, and then we receive. Nothing else can be done.]</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: blue">I think., Sir, that I have tried to answer you honestly. Would be very grateful if you could share your point of view. I fail to go beyond this because of limited knowledge. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: blue">Regards.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 60880, member: 5290"] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=2]Respected Sir,[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=2]Your answer is very diplomatically drafted.[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=2]However, I shall be frank with you. My mother in law visited me a few days back. She is an Amritdhari Lady and is very punctual in maintaing the Sikhi ways of Life. I had asked her what is Naam for ‘sikh’. She responded without any hesitation or delay. I would also fall in line and would state that ‘waheguru’ is the Naam for me. As on date,there is no reason for me to believe otherwise. [/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=2]‘Naam’ may not be a word . I should not know the answer to your question if the answer is other wise. After referring to Granth Sahib ji one may think that Naam is or may be a state of mind as it is present in every one of us. [/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=2]I am quoting few lines as follows:[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]nwmu AauKDu soeI jnu pwvY ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](179-4, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]He alone receives the panacea, the medicine of the Naam,[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]kir ikrpw ijsu Awip idvwvY ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](179-4, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]unto whom the Lord, in His Grace, bestows it.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]The following lines are also helpful for deducing something called as /Naam’.[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]sB ikCu qyrw qUM krxYhwru ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](178-17, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]Everything is Yours; You are the Creator Lord.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]AMqu nwhI ikCu pwrwvwru ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](178-17, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]You have no end or limitation.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]dws Apny kau dIjY dwnu ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](178-17, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]Please give this gift to Your servant,[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]kbhU n ivsrY nwnk nwmu ]5]9]78] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](178-18, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=2]that Nanak might never forget the Naam. ||5||9||78||[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]From the above lines I get some indication that Naam should be something that should not be forgotten and it is equivalent to the name of the Lord that has the energy present in it that is the insignia of the Lord Himself. Hence it cannot be a state of mind. [/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]nwmu AauKDu soeI jnu pwvY ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](179-4, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2][He alone receives the panacea, the medicine of the Naam,][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]kir ikrpw ijsu Awip idvwvY ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](179-4, gauVI guAwryrI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]unto whom the Lord, in His Grace, bestows it.][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=2]Again from the following ‘Tuks’[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]gurmqI Git cwnxw sbid imlY hir nwau ]2] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](30-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][[FONT=Verdana]Through the Guru's Teachings, the heart is illuminated. Through the Shabad, the Name of the Lord is received. |][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=yellowgreen]Following lines are quoted for reference[/COLOR][/FONT]:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]nwmu inDwnu sd min vsY mhlI pwvY Qwau ]1] rhwau ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](30-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][The Treasure of the Naam abides forever within the mind, and one's place of rest is found in the Mansion of the Lord's Presence.][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma]As per the above ‘Naam ‘ is present in the mind and one has to realize this. As I do not have indepth knowledge of the bani , I do conclude that One has to realise the naam and that it should be either a state of mind or should be ‘akhar’ or some ‘sabad’ only.This may be in the form of cosmic energy that may be pervading in ‘etheric Akaash’ and we have to feel the vibes as this energy is energised by the Naam.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma]As per the following it should be something that should not be forgotten. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]nwnk gurmuiK nwmu iDAweIAY sic imlwvw hoie ]4]13]46] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](31-15, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][O Nanak, the Gurmukh meditates on the Naam, and is united with the True Lord. ][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma]Following line is also suggestive that Naam should be a word only or something like a feeling/state of mine that is beyond description e’g the taste of salt can best be explained by some word and hence we have to take the help of some words to explain the concept of Naam else we cannot discuss about this. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]AMimRqu swcw nwmu hY khxw kCU n jwie ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](33-3, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][The True Name is the Ambrosial Nectar; no one can describe it.][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma]It is given or realised if He bestows His grace.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]Awpy dyie q pweIAY horu krxw ikCU n jwie ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](33-4, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][He Himself gives, and then we receive. Nothing else can be done.][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=blue]I think., Sir, that I have tried to answer you honestly. Would be very grateful if you could share your point of view. I fail to go beyond this because of limited knowledge. [/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=blue]Regards.[/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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