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Translations Of Sri Guru Granth Sahib: The Difficult And The Contradictory

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RAVNEET_sb

Refering to your views as
Only practise of truth (Thought Speech and Action) is the way to salvation.

For human mind,

practise of this truth ( Thought speech and action) all in straight line is near to impossible.

I think there is nothing being mentioned in Gurbanee as IMPOSSIBLE.
Any thing is POSSIBLE thru the grace of GuRu.
So always ask for the grace from GuRu.This is the only requirement.

Prakash.S.Bagga
 

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RAVNEET_sb

Refering to your views as
Only practise of truth (Thought Speech and Action) is the way to salvation.

For human mind,

practise of this truth ( Thought speech and action) all in straight line is near to impossible.

I think there is nothing being mentioned in Gurbanee as IMPOSSIBLE.
Any thing is POSSIBLE thru the grace of GuRu.
So always ask for the grace from GuRu.This is the only requirement.

Prakash.S.Bagga
 

ravneet_sb

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Sat Sri Akaal,

Though there is no contradiction, as GURU's BANI is without "DUALITY"

Contradiction is with "DUALITY"

"GURU's Never Have "Duality"

Contradiction has no relevance

Let's See Some Hard Facts of "RELIGION"

1. All Humans are Born "SIKH" or "SEEKER's"

It resolves all the religious conflicts and give all human's a universal thought process



2. All Human's seek "TRUTH"

Where there is "TRUTH" there is no "DOUBT"

its like "DARK" / "LIGHT"
Either it is "DARK" or "LIGHT" "DOUBT" is no where

so do human mind

Either have "DOUBT" "CONTRADICTION" or "TRUTH"


for eg if one is open to admit any wrong doing (CAN EXPRESS TRUTH),
There shall be no "DOUBT"

3. Each and Every "WORD" is through Meta Physical Existence

4. Before one want's to see universe,
one must know "HOW ONE SEE" how eye see and stores information in memory.

Similarly to understand "GURU's BANI"
Have

"META PHYSICAL" vision
of each
"GURU's" "WORD"

It is without "CONTRADICTION"

Its all of "HUMAN"

And all human's have

"EYES/EARS/SKIN/NOSE/TONGUE) common instrument to "SENSE"

But for "MIND" to "SENSE" with common instruments

Input "SENSE" has to be done to make use of "COMMON SENSE"

Translation/ Repeated Reading/ Writing will not only work,
till the seeker doesn't work on "VISION" is not "EVOKED"


5. "GURU's" have taught this way of learning remove doubts and contradictions

That's the way to "SEEK" to be "Learner"

And become "GURU's" "SIKH"

And unite all "Humans" as "SIKHS"

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
 

ravneet_sb

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Sat Sri Akaal,

Though there is no contradiction, as GURU's BANI is without "DUALITY"

Contradiction is with "DUALITY"

"GURU's Never Have "Duality"

Contradiction has no relevance

Let's See Some Hard Facts of "RELIGION"

1. All Humans are Born "SIKH" or "SEEKER's"

It resolves all the religious conflicts and give all human's a universal thought process



2. All Human's seek "TRUTH"

Where there is "TRUTH" there is no "DOUBT"

its like "DARK" / "LIGHT"
Either it is "DARK" or "LIGHT" "DOUBT" is no where

so do human mind

Either have "DOUBT" "CONTRADICTION" or "TRUTH"


for eg if one is open to admit any wrong doing (CAN EXPRESS TRUTH),
There shall be no "DOUBT"

3. Each and Every "WORD" is through Meta Physical Existence

4. Before one want's to see universe,
one must know "HOW ONE SEE" how eye see and stores information in memory.

Similarly to understand "GURU's BANI"
Have

"META PHYSICAL" vision
of each
"GURU's" "WORD"

It is without "CONTRADICTION"

Its all of "HUMAN"

And all human's have

"EYES/EARS/SKIN/NOSE/TONGUE) common instrument to "SENSE"

But for "MIND" to "SENSE" with common instruments

Input "SENSE" has to be done to make use of "COMMON SENSE"

Translation/ Repeated Reading/ Writing will not only work,
till the seeker doesn't work on "VISION" is not "EVOKED"


5. "GURU's" have taught this way of learning remove doubts and contradictions

That's the way to "SEEK" to be "Learner"

And become "GURU's" "SIKH"

And unite all "Humans" as "SIKHS"

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Sat Sri Akaal,

More Fact To "Seek" or "Learn" with no contradiction

Each human has ability and instruments available

TO LEARN

6. "Human Mind" to think

Mind Should be clean/ available thoughts to store (Guru's Bani)

7. "Ears" to listen

Prerequisite

To listen inner silence is required

After having inner silence

"Ears" can listen to "Others" and even "Natural" sounds beyond normal "Human Perception"

And is fit to receive and store "GURU's BANI"

8. "Speaking/ Reciting"
Repeat "Guru's Praises to activate "VOCAL STORE" or "Memory"

9. "Eyes" have "Vision" of each "Guru's" word Contemplate on each word to develop "GURU's Thought" process

10. Improve "SRI RAAG" repeated vibrations with in "Mind" and "Cleansing" of "MIND" process through practice of "SAT" / "TRUTH"

11. Human "Senses" and "Body" is slave of thought "Process"

"KAM" KRODH" "LOBH" MOH" "AHAANKAR" are mental activations

"SEX" "FOOD" "SECURITY" "RELATION" "EGO"

Understand own body process.

Even Animals Owe This

Difference Comes as

"HUMAN"

Through Awareness of "Mind" and "Body" process

and diminishing "Animal" instincts genetically transferred through generations.

and extended "Human" instinct

with stored

"Vocal" and "Visual"
experience of "GURU's BANI"

There is no contradiction, every "HUMAN" to "SEEK"

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
 

N30S1NGH

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Before interpreting gurbani I believe one should have some grammar framework behind gurbani arths, historical(uthanka) framework, through understanding different aspects of divine(Ikoankar-Sargun and Nirgun), one should have good understanding different aspects of Ikoankar/Vahiguru- bhagti-bhav-bhagti aspect of Vahiguru, shabad surat aspect of Vahiguru, shakti aspect of Vahiguru nirgun-shabad gyan aspect of Vahiguru, absolute truth and relative truth contexts of gurbani, and finally one should be deeply connected with shabad(via meditation) in order to provide metaphysical/antriv arths -deep intuitive interpretation deep gnosis/metaphysical interpretation of Gurbani as ultimately Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is dhur ki bani- straight from divine-anubhav parkash- intuitive infinite spontaneous effortless ocean of divine knowledge.
 

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Before interpreting gurbani I believe one should have some grammar framework behind
gurbani arths, historical(uthanka)
framework, through understanding
different aspects of divine(Ikoankar-
Sargun and Nirgun), one should have
good understanding different aspects
of Ikoankar/Vahiguru- bhagti-bhav-
bhagti aspect of Vahiguru, shabad
surat aspect of Vahiguru, shakti
aspect of Vahiguru nirgun-shabad
gyan aspect of Vahiguru, absolute
truth and relative truth contexts of
gurbani, and finally one should be
deeply connected with shabad(via
meditation) in order to provide
metaphysical/antriv arths -deep
intuitive interpretation deep
gnosis/metaphysical interpretation of
Gurbani as ultimately Sri Guru Granth
Sahib ji is dhur ki bani- straight from
divine-anubhav parkash- intuitive
infinite spontaneous effortless ocean
of divine knowledge.
I totally agree, but even before embarking upon literal and grammatical accuracy the Sovereign Will of Nanak's Nirankar is a must. In order to be singing the same hymn one must accept Nanak's ideology.
 

swarn bains

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sggs page 1430 the last stanza
ਖਸਟ ਰਾਗ ਉਨ ਗਾਏ ਸੰਗ ਰਾਗਨੀ ਤੀਸ, ਸਭੈ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਰਾਗਨ ਕੇ ਆਠਾਰਹ ਦਸ ਬੀਸ. i wrote it from my memory, there my be spelling difference. I translated siree guru granth sahib. my translation of this stanza is
six major tunes have been sung including sub tunes totalling thirty. all are the sons of creator of tunes (God) whether eighteen, ten or twenty. u add other translations and comment on mine as well. thanks. it is all from my mind i will put the exact words from my translation when sosme discusses if in doubt. my translation is underwww/ swarnbains.tripod.com. when i published the english only translation through xlibris. the publisher asked me. if it was a public domain or private domain. i said it is public. they said u do not need any bodys permision such as sgpc
 
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The complete Shabd as composed by Guru Arjun ji and recorded on page 392 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib (SGGS) is as follows:


ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ Asa Mehla 5 (SGGS Page 392)


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