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there are no human gurus, only great poets, writers and leaders.

Ambarsaria

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The human guru is a Hindu idea. The Granth wanted to strip that idea away of a human guide and make man focus on the one within. People will never understand the truth of Sikh history and what really happened if they keep putting the pretext of "guru" in front of Nanak's name. Calling Nanak a "guru" is blasphemous when his writings discard the human guru and point to the one within the home of the self!
GadarJeet ji Sat Sri Akal. You raise some interesting thoughts in your post. Whereas I may not agree with some of the words used like "blasphemous", etc., I think the essence of your message is worthy.

Indeed, the concept of idol worship whether it is in the form of Guru Nanak Dev ji or others is contrary to SGGS's teachings, culturally there is a fine line between idol worship and respectful expression. Respecting our Guruji's and others in SGGS is not contrary to essence of SGGS. Idol worshiping the same for sure is not consistent with SGGS.

We also need to note that SGGS essence predates the birth of Guru Nanak Dev ji. For example taking an excerpt from Wiki in terms of Baba Farid ji, one notes the following;
Bābā Farīd was born in 1188 (573 AH) in Kothewal, 10 km from Multan in the Punjab region, to Jamāl-ud-dīn Suleimān and Maryam Bībī (Qarsum Bībī), daughter of Wajīh-ud-dīn Khojendī.[5] [7] He received his early education at Multan, which had become a centre for Muslim ...​
I much rather recognize our Guru jis as teacher and not idols. How I show this relationship of respect is an individual decision and a spiritual one. We cannot fully comprehend each others hearts and minds and their relationships with SGGS so I would not judge others in this regard either positively or negatively. However, any dictatorial or other imposing declarations in this regard can certainly be challenged as you have in your post.

Regards and Sat Sri Akal.
 

A_seeker

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Gurus as teacher???
unfortunatly we have forgotten the real meaning of the word 'Guru'. the role of guru contrary to popular belief is not to teach ,indoctrinate or convert ...The guru is here to throw light on dimensions beyond your sensory perceptions ,dimensions of of life you are unable to percieve.. to throw light on very nature of your existence ...
 

Ambarsaria

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Dec 21, 2010
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Gurus as teacher???
unfortunatly we have forgotten the real meaning of the word 'Guru'. the role of guru contrary to popular belief is not to teach ,indoctrinate or convert ...The guru is here to throw light on dimensions beyond your sensory perceptions ,dimensions of of life you are unable to percieve.. to throw light on very nature of your existence ...
Yes indeed. It is 100% how I understand it too. Many teachers in SGGS but focus is one creation that we are all part of.

Have a wonderful day.
 

swarn bains

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sggs page 286/287 sukhmani sahib. let us find sabad guru in it
ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥ Hymn: ਸਤਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਤਿਸ ਕਾ ਨਾਉ ॥

One who knows the true God his name is guru!

ਤਿਸ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਸਿਖੁ ਉਧਰੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਉ ॥੧॥

The devotees attain salvation in his company. ||1||

ਅਸਟਪਦੀ ॥ Ashtapadee:

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਕੀ ਕਰੈ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ ॥

The guru cherishes His student.

ਸੇਵਕ ਕਉ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਦਾ ਦਇਆਲ ॥

The guru is always kind to his devotee.

ਸਿਖ ਕੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਮਲੁ ਹਿਰੈ ॥

The guru washes away the filth of evil of his follower.

ਗੁਰ ਬਚਨੀ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਚਰੈ ॥

If he recites the name of God through guru’s teaching!

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਕੇ ਬੰਧਨ ਕਾਟੈ ॥

The guru cuts away the bonds of his student.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਿਖੁ ਬਿਕਾਰ ਤੇ ਹਾਟੈ ॥

Guru’s student abstains from evil deeds.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਕਉ ਨਾਮਧਨੁ ਦੇਇ ॥

Guru bestows his student with wealth of God’s name.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਿਖੁ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਹੇ ॥

Guru’s student is fortunate!

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਕਾ ਹਲਤੁ ਪਲਤੁ ਸਵਾਰੈ ॥

Guru bestows salvation on his student here and the next world.

ਨਾਨਕ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਕਉ ਜੀਅ ਨਾਲਿ ਸਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥

O Nanak, the guru cares for his student wholeheartedly. ||1||

ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਗ੍ਰਿਹਿ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਜੋ ਰਹੈ ॥

The devotee who lives with the guru!

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਆਗਿਆ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਸਹੈ ॥

Obeys guru’s teaching intently in his mind.

ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਕਰਿ ਕਛੁ ਨ ਜਨਾਵੈ ॥

He does not have any ego?

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਸਦ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥

Always recites the name of God in his mind intently.

ਮਨੁ ਬੇਚੈ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਪਾਸਿ ॥

One who sells his mind to the guru!

ਤਿਸੁ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੇ ਕਾਰਜ ਰਾਸਿ ॥

That humble servant's affairs are resolved.

ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਤ ਹੋਇ ਨਿਹਕਾਮੀ ॥

One who becomes selfless doing service?

ਤਿਸ ਕਉ ਹੋਤ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਸੁਆਮੀ ॥

Shall realize God the master.

Page 287 ਅਪਨੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਜਿਸੁ ਆਪਿ ਕਰੇਇ ॥

He who bestows His grace

ਨਾਨਕ ਸੋ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਮਤਿ ਲੇਇ ॥੨॥

O Nanak, that devotee obtains guru’s teaching. ||2||

ਬੀਸ ਬਿਸਵੇ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨੈ ॥

One who obeys guru’s teaching hundred per cent!

ਸੋ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

That student understands the way of the Lord.

ਸੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਜਿਸੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਉ ॥

He who enshrines God’s name in his heart is the guru

ਅਨਿਕ ਬਾਰ ਗੁਰ ਕਉ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਉ ॥

I admire the guru all the time.
 
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