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Bansavalinama The References To Brahmans In Bansavalinama

Harry Haller

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Kullyji,

let us assume that the DG is not pushing Brahminism, kindly proceed to your next point.


Thank you
 

Kully

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let us assume that the DG is not pushing Brahminism,
No Sir. Where the evidence is explicit there is no need for assumption. In fact this may be better off in it's own topic. Let's keep this topic about the references to Brahmans in Bansawalinama only, and it won't clutter up the topic. It will help those who wish to read these topics in the future.
 

Harry Haller

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I personally do not see this as Brahman pushing, I agree with you, lets move on
 

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I have been through more of this book and found another 2 references to Brahmans. One is a quote from DG, and the other reference is the same “Uttam jama Brahman ka”, where Chibber is saying that although he is born in the high caste of Brahman, known for its learning and knowledge, he is absolutely devoid of knowledge.
...good on you !
Chibber goes further on this and says that it was down to the Guru’s kirpa only that he has been able to write this book. Nowhere in the book has Chibber stated that he is proud of being a Brahman. He profusely states that he is a Sikh and has no other Guru except the Guru. He also repeatedly tells others to accept the Guru and follow the Guru’s teachings.
..confirmed
It is complete nonsense to say that Chibber had some kind of Brahman agenda in writing this book, or that he had any kind of pride of being a Brahman. There is no suggestion of either at all in this book. Time and time again he says that his only refuge is at the Guru’s feet.
..I'll go along with what you're saying, pls continue ..
It feels that some people have seized on Chibber’s being of Brahman caste to try and negate the valuable history that we find in his book. Can’t argue with the information being presented? Then try and discredit the person presenting the info.
..hmn, "history" ? I think we have to be careful Kully Ji to call someone historian just because he's written books. I mean, loads n loads of writers from all over the planet have made brave efforts to base their work on primary n secondary sources, but nothing of the sort springs to mind that would deem it "good history" when it comes to Indian historians because there was no systematic use of sources and there were no accepted methodological principles. Accordingly, I'm obliged to interrogate to my hearts content whether Chibber be a reliable candidate ?
I agree that there is a distinction between spirituality and intellectual study.
..good !
But intellectual study involves studying and analysing
..yes, pretty much dependent upon what the subject-matter is ! For example, the existence of God cannot be intellectually analysed. And, if you recall, it was for this reason, I once said to you whether questions of religious faith be susceptible to rational deliberations ?
ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥
ਪਾਂਇ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋਊ ਆਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਨਯੋ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ॥

O God ! the day when I caught hold of your feet, I do not bring anyone else under my sight; none other is liked by me now; the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept them.

ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਨ ਜਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਪਾਨ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੈ ਨ ਕਹਯੋ ਸਭ ਤੋਹਿ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥੮੬੩॥

The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas describe several mysteries of yours, but I do not agree with any of them. O sword-wielder God! This all has been described by Thy Grace, what power can I have to write all this?.863.
...now this kind of literature throws up lot of questions; who is writing, is it Gobind the mortal man, Gobind the Guru or, is it the transcendent Gobind ?
 

Kully

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..now this kind of literature throws up lot of questions; who is writing, is it Gobind the mortal man, Gobind the Guru or, is it the transcendent Gobind ?
Don't know. But would like to know what you think. What is your own thought on this?
 

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Don't know. But would like to know what you think. What is your own thought on this?
..he was all three !

Given that you, Kully, the wannabe scholar, try and workout which of his compositions corresponds with which Gobind !
 
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