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The Ocean Of Love

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    Excerpts from Anurag Sagar of Kabir:-

    Whatever people have written
    about the Great Masters has been written many years after their
    departure from this world. That is why Kabir's life sketch has
    different versions. According to most of the traditions, Kabir
    Sahib was born in 1398 in Benares and he died in 15 18, living for
    120 years.
    There are many different stories of Kabir and of his effect on
    others, some of which are told in the Introduction to this book.
    Dharam Das was Kabir's gurumukh disciple and successor, who
    was a very wealthy person and an idol-worshiper. It is said that
    once when he was doing his worship, Kabir appeared to him and
    asked, "What are these little idols? If this big idol is God, what
    are these small ones?" and then disappeared, leaving Dharam
    Das to think about what had happened. At that time, of course,
    he didn't know that it was Kabir Sahib who had appeared to him.
    Second time Kabir appeared to Dharam Das was in the form of
    a sadhu. Dharam Das and his wife were sitting by the fire, and
    Kabir Sahib said to Dharam Das, "You are a sinner." Dharam
    Das's wife could not bear this criticism so she said, "How can
    you say that he is a sinner? You are a sinner!" Then Kabir Sahib
    replied, "Dharam Das, look in the wood that you are burningand
    you will see what you are really doing." When they looked,
    they saw many insects in the wood, and Kabir said, "You are
    burning so many insects alive! What is this? Are you not
    sinning?" After saying this he again disappeared, and Dharam
    Das realized the truth of it: "I am a great sinner."
    Because he was a good soul devoted to God and he wanted the
    knowledge of God, he remembered that he had met someone
    before who had asked him about idols, and he realized both of them
    were the same person. Now Dharam Das repented very much, and
    he thought that if his wife had not got upset at Kabir Sahib, he
    might have been able to get the knowledge of God. When he told
    that to his wife, she said, "Well, flies come to the sugar. You have
    so much money; if you perform some kind of yajna and announce
    that you are going to donate things to the sadhus, many sadhus will
    come. It is possible that this sadhu will also come, and you can talk
    to him and get some knowledge of God from him." So Dharam
    Das performed many yajnas in the town of Benares, but Kabir
    Sahib never came there. Then Dharam Das went to other places and
    there also he performed many yajnas, but Kabir Sahib never came.
    In that way he just went on spending his money, and even after he
    performed his last yajna after selling every single thing, Kabir Sahib
    still didn't come.
    So when Dharam Das had lost all his money and still didn't get to
    see the Sadhu, he thought, "Why should I go back home when I
    have lost everything? It is better to commit suicide." So he went to
    the bank of the river and was about to jump in when Kabir appeared
    there. And then Dharam Das touched Kabir Sahib's feet
    and said, "0 Lord, If I had met You before, 1 would have given
    You all the wealth which 1 had, instead of wasting it performing
    the yujnus." Kabir Sahib replied, "This was the right time for
    you to come to me. If you had come to me earlier, when you
    had all that wealth, it is possible that you would not become
    what you will become now."
    So Kabir Sahib gave him initiation and, after Kabir Sahib left
    the body, Dharam Das continued the work of giving initiation into
    Shabd Naam. And the book Anurag Sagar is in the form of questions
    from Dharam Das and Kabir Sahib's replies to those questions.
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    Kabir took initiation from a Guru, and the Guru was Ramananda. Relationship of Kabir and
    Ramananda in detail as follows:
    Kabir Sahib was all-powerful and even if he had not taken anyone
    as Guru, still it would not matter much. But still he didn't break the
    limits and traditions and that's why he took Ramananda as his
    Master. But the fact was that Ramananda was liberated by Kabir
    Sahib. Ramananda was an idol worshiper and didn't have any
    knowledge of spirituality. But the Hindu people were taking him as
    a very great holy man, and they were also criticizing Kabir Sahib
    because he didn't have any Master or guru, saying that to take initiation
    or to take a mantra from him is a sin. Kabir Sahib was a very
    clever Mahatma, and he thought that if he took any small Mahatma
    as his Master, then these people would not believe. So he should
    take somebody who is well-known among all these people as his
    Master. But since Ramananda was not happy in even seeing any
    Muslim, and because Kabir was born in a Muslim family, there was
    no question of taking initiation from Ramananda. It was impossible
    for him.
    Ramananda used to go, every morning, to the River Ganges. So,
    because Kabir Sahib wanted to take him as his Master, Kabir
    changed his form into a small child. He lay down on the steps on
    which Ramananda was coming back. It was very dark, and accidentally
    Ramananda stepped on that child. And Kabir, who was
    that child, started weeping. Who knows whether Ramananda really
    stepped on Kabir Sahib or not? But still Kabir wanted some excuse
    to weep, so he started weeping. Ramananda was very much afraid
    and he said, "0 man of God, repeat 'God.' 0 man of God, repeat
    'God' "--like that. But Kabir Sahib went on weeping. And he
    again said this thing, "0 man of God, repeat 'God.' " And
    Ramananda came back home and Kabir disappeared from that
    After that Kabir Sahib started saying to people, "Ramananda is
    my Master. I have got initiation from Him." So the Hindu people
    were very upset with Ramananda, and they came to him, saying,
    "You have got thousands of Hindu disciples but you are still
    hungry for more. Why did you make this Muslim your disciple?"
    In those days, people were believing very much in caste. So Ramananda said, "Who said he is my disciple? I do not know any Kabir
    and I have not given initiation to any Kabir." So all the Hindu people
    came to Kabir Sahib and told him, "You come with us to Ramananda.
    You are saying that he is your Master but he doesn't believe
    that. You come with us." So Kabir went to Ramananda's home.
    And at that time Ramananda was worshiping an idol of Lord
    Vishnu. Because he was never happy to see the faces of Muslim people,
    he had a curtain and Kabir Sahib was sitting on the other side of
    the curtain. Ramananda was playing with the idol and at the end he
    put the crown on the head of the idol, but he forgot to put the chain
    on the neck. So he was very confused at what to do then, because if
    he removed the crown from the head that meant disrespect and
    there was no other way to put the chain on the neck. So Kabir
    Sahib, who was all-conscious, said, "Master, Guru Ji, why are you
    so confused? Just unhook the chain and then again hook it and
    then you will be able to put the chain around the neck." When he
    saw Kabir Sahib was sitting there on the other side of the curtain
    and couldn't even see him, he thought, "How did he know I had
    this problem? And he has solved my problem!" He was very surprised.
    So he talked with him and said, "When did I initiate you?"
    Kabir Sahib reminded him of the incident and he told him, "You
    stepped on me and you told me to repeat this thing, so I am
    repeating that, and you are my Master."
    So Ramananda said, "That was a child; but you are Kabir." He
    said, "If you want me to become a child, I can show you. Now also
    I can change myself into a child and I can show you that I am the
    same thing." So when Ramananda came to know all this he said,
    "If you are all-conscious, then why is there this curtain between you
    and me? Remove that curtain." So after that Kabir Sahib liberated
    Even though Ramananda had received a lot from Kabir, still he
    was involved in all the practices he was doing, rites and rituals and
    idol-worshiping. Once Ramananda was performing the ceremony
    in which they make many good foods and they give it to the people,
    saying, "This is going to our fathers and forefathers, those who
    have died and who are residing in the heavens." For that ceremony
    Ramananda sent all his disciples including Kabir Sahib into the
    village to get some milk to make rice pudding and other things. So
    Kabir also went and there he saw that there was one dead cow, and
    by force he started putting some food in the mouth of that dead
    cow. Because she was dead, she couldn't eat by herself. But by
    using a stick, he was forcing the food in her mouth. He started
    milking her. But she was dead; how could she give milk? So theother disciples, when they saw Kabir doing this thing, they came to
    Ramananda and reported it. Ramananda called Kabir and rebuked
    him and said, "Oh man, the dead cow cannot eat food and she cannot
    give milk." So Kabir Sahib said, "Guru Ji, are you sure that the
    dead cow cannot eat anything or give any fruit?'' So he said, "Yes,
    that is definitely true." So he said, "Well, how are you sure that the
    food that you are giving to other people, saying, 'This is going to go
    to your fathers, those who are residing in the heavens?' will really
    give you fruit?" Ramananda didn't have any reply to that. And
    Kabir Sahib only did this to teach him a lesson because Kabir Sahib
    had made up his mind to liberate Ramananda.
    Kabir's impact on his contemporaries was profound. Many stories are
    told which illustrate his power, insight, and various aspects of his extraordinary
    personality-including his honesty, unforced humility, total
    dependence on God, compassion and bluntness.The people attribute this incident to my miraculous powers. It is just
    as it once happened with Kabir Sahib. The pundits, the pseudo-
    Saints and the well-read people were jealous of Kabir Sahib.
    Accordingly they proclaimed throughout the town that on a certain
    day there would be a Bhandara (a religious gathering and feast) at
    Kabir Sahib's place. Kabir Sahib came to know about this trick the
    evening before. How could He feed thousands of men? [He was of
    course very poor.] He left the place in the evening and hid Himself
    in the jungle, remaining there until the next day. From His place of
    hiding He could see the people returning from His home the next
    day, and all of them were remarking, "Well done, Kabir! What
    delicious food you provided for the Sadhus!"
    Kabir Sahib did not know what this meant.. . . He returned home
    and His family told Him, "Well, you were here all the time and you
    yourself fed all the people." Kabir Sahib at once understood that it
    was all the mercy and blessing of the Supreme Father. [He is
    reported to have exclaimed: "Kabir did not do it, could not do it,
    would not do it; it is God Who has done it, and the credit has gone
    to Kabir! "1 The same is the case in this incident.At the time of Kabir Sahib there was a certain pundit or religious
    teacher. His story is written in the scriptures, and it tells of how he
    studied the holy and other books extensively and became the most
    learned man for many miles around, so he called himself Sarbajeet,
    meaning one who has won above all others. On completion of his
    studies, he returned to his mother's house. She was a follower of
    Kabir Sahib, and he said to her, "Mother, I have become Sarbarjeet;
    you should call me that from now on." She replied, "I
    will, if you can beat Kabir Sahib in knowledge." Worldly
    knowledge often encourages pride, and carelessly picking up his
    books he said, "Oh, that is nothing," and went off to Kabir Sahib's
    humble dwelling.
    Kabir Sahib said to the young man, "Well, Punditji, what has
    brought you here?" The proud pundit replied, "I am Sarbajeet,
    and I have come to beat you in knowledge." Kabir Sahib smiled at
    him and saad, "I do not want to argue over this, so you just write
    down that Sarbajeet has won and Kabir has lost; and I will sign it."
    The pundit was very pleased that Kabir had given in so easily; he
    quickly wrote the words and got Kabir to sign it. He went home,
    and flourishing the paper at his mother, he said, "Now you will
    have to call me Sarbajeet, for Kabir Sahib has acknowledged it."
    She took the paper and read aloud, "Sarbajeet has lost and Kabir
    has won." Unbelieving, he read it for himself, and said, "How is
    this possible? There must be some mistake-1 will go back to Kabir
    Sahib." On arriving at the Saint's house, he blurted out, "Maharaj,
    I made a slight mistake, so I want to rewrite the paper." Kabir
    Sahib amiably agreed, and signed the new declaration. When the
    pundit reached home, his mother read the paper and said, "But it is
    still written, 'Sarbajeet has lost and Kabir has won."' In frustration
    he shouted, "I will go again to Kabir!" and hurried off. It is a rule
    with all great Masters that they never belittle a person, but with love
    they make the people understand. If one does not listen even then,
    they will go to the extent of operating, like a doctor who will do his
    very best to cure a tumor, even if it means resorting to surgery. So,
    with great kindness, Kabir Sahib pointed out to the pundit, "How
    can your mind and mine become one?In the time of Kabir Sahib, once on the banks of the River Ganga a
    person of low caste was bathing and a pundit was passing by. And it
    happened that one drop of water from the body of that low-caste
    man touched the body of the pundit, and he became very upset
    because he considered himself polluted; but Kabir Sahib told him
    very lovingly, "Oh Brahmin, you were also born of a woman; how
    can you be called brahmin when we shudras came into the world
    from the same place and we were born in the same manner? How
    can you say that we and you are different? You have blood and we
    also have the same blood!" So Kabir Sahib lovingly explained to
    him that all men are the same.' '
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    Revolutionary sentiments like this have endeared Kabir to such modern
    Indian visionaries as Mahatma Gandhi and Rabindranath Tagore, but
    had the opposite effect in his own time. A caste-conscious Hindu society
    and an orthodox Muslim establishment both viewed the presumptuous
    julaha with horror, and he was persecuted a number of times, primarily
    by the Emperor Sikander Lodi. He was drowned in the Ganges chained
    in a boat full of stones, but either was miraculously saved at the last
    minute or resurrected from the dead; he was buried alive, but survived
    that also; he was bound and thrown in front of an elephant, but the
    elephant refused to touch him. These stories are part of the tradition, but
    of course are not verifiable; nevertheless, that Kabir's teaching and actions
    brought him into conflict with authority and eventually persecution
    is overwhelmingly probable; to survive such persecution either
    through divine intervention or resurrection is not without precedent; and
    in any case, Kabir's survival is well attested, as is his death in Magahar at
    an advanced age.The earliest written reference to Kabir is in the Bhakta Mala, a poem on the lives of various Saints, written
    by Nabha Das about 1600 (eighty years after Kabir's death). It is a very
    interesting and accurate brief summing-up of his career as seen from
    Kabir refused to acknowledge caste distinctions, or to recognize the
    authority of the six Hindu schools of philosophy;. . .He held that
    religion without bhakti [loving devotion for God] was no religion at
    all, and that asceticism, fasting and almsgiving had no value if
    unaccompanied by bhajan [meditation]. By means of ramainis,
    shabdas and sakhis [different types of songs] he imparted religious
    instruction to Hindus and Mohammedans alike. He had no preference
    for either religion, but gave teaching that was appreciated by the followers of both. He spoke out his mind fearlessly, and never
    made it his object merely to please his hearers.
    Kabir had a number of disciples who became Masters and gave initiation after his
    passing: some of them are known only from his writings, but many are
    famous in their own right. Ravidas and Dadu Sahib are two well-known
    Saints who derived directly or indirectly from Kabir, and there are many
    others. The two that are of concern to us here are Dharam Das, who was
    his gurumukh successor and who is honored today especially by the
    members of the Kabir-panth, a religious sect in northern India (it has
    Hindu and Muslim sections) which claims to have been founded by
    Kabir, and Baba Nanak, the first guru of the Sikhs, who is honored
    today especially by the followers of the Sikh religion.
    It is one of the ironies of history that the line continuing through
    Dharam Das, whose special relationship with Kabir is vividly described
    in the Foreword, should have decayed and become eventually
    one of ceremonial religious leadership, while the line continuing through
    Nanak, who only met Kabir twice and who was himself a swateh sant,
    "born free,"12 should be the line through which Kabir's power and impulse
    continue in their fulness in the modern world.' But it is true: the
    Kabir-panth today has no knowledge of the inner teachings, and has
    reduced its initiation to one of ritual only. While the same is true of the
    Sikh religion, that line went underground after the death of the tenth
    Sikh Guru and has continued unabated down to the present.
    When Kabir was ready to leave, it is said that his Hindu and Muslim
    disciples were prepared to fight over whether his body should be
    cremated or buried. After rebuking them sternly for forgetting his
    teachings so soon, he lay down, covered himself with sheets, and told
    everyone 1 o leave. When they came back into the room, his body was
    gone; where it had been was a heap of flowers. His Muslim followers
    took half of the flowers and buried them, and his Hindu disciples took
    the other half and burned them. Thus in death as in life, Kabir demonstrated
    the universality of the Masters.
    It is also said that Kabir made a number of resurrection appearances
    after his death, including at least one to Dharam Das in which he gave
    him further instruction along the lines of the Anurag Sagar.
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    Gurudev is perfect
    The Master is an Ocean of Grace, He showers grace on the
    miserable ones.
    Rare are those who know His secret: He manifests Himself in those
    who recognize Him.
    Who deserves it?
    Only the connoisseur, who will test the Shabda
    And listen to the teachings with full attention
    And within whom these teachings will dwell, only he will understand
    He within whom the Sun of Knowledge will manifest and remove
    the darkness of attachment-only he will understand this.
    I am telling you this Anurag Sagar (Ocean of Love)-only rare
    saints will understand.
    Without love one cannot achieve it
    Any learned saint who thinks over my words and has love in his
    heart will achieve Nirvana.
    Dharam Das said:
    0 Satguru, folding my hands I beg You, please clear up this doubt
    of mine:
    How do I recognize the one within whom love manifests?
    What does a lover look like? Without love the jiva cannot be
    0 my God, tell me about that love, and give examples to explain it
    to me.
    Examples of a lover's qualities
    The Satguru said:
    0 Dhararn Das, I will explain to you the qualities of the lover; listen
    attentively so that you may recognize him.
    Example of the deer
    Intoxicated by the music, the deer runs and comes to the hunter.
    He doesn't have any fear, not even when he sacrifices his head.
    Hearing the music he sacrifices his life-a lover should do the same.
    Example of the moth
    A lover should be like a moth when it goes near light.
    Example of Sati
    0 Dharam Das, listen to more examples and manifest the Satguru's
    Be like the woman who burns herself with her dead husband, and
    while burning doesn't move her body;
    One who leaves her house, wealth and friends, and in the pain of
    separation, goes alone;
    She doesn't stop even when people bring her son before her, and try
    to catch her in attachment-
    When people say, "Your son is weak and will die, and without you
    your home will be lonely"-
    When people say, "You have plenty of wealth, come back
    She is in the pain of separation from her husband and nothing attracts

    What does the Satguru do?
    Defeating Kal, He takes the soul to the Motionless Plane, where Sat
    Purush is.
    Reaching there, one finds infinite happiness and is freed from corning
    back to this world.
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    Who can reach the Motionless Plane?
    One who will climb the Path of Truth believing my words,
    Like the warrior who marches ahead in battle and doesn't worry
    about what is behind-
    So become like the warrior and the Sati, and take the Knowledge of
    the Path from the Saint.
    Take refuge in the Satguru and, developing Mritak, rid yourself of
    Kal's pain.
    Rare are those who deserve it
    Kabir says this, after reflection: Only the brave one who does this
    can achieve the Beloved.
    Dharam Das said:
    0 my God, tell me the qualities of mritak, so that the fire which is
    burning in my mind may be extinguished.
    0 cloud of nectar, explain to me-how can this life die?
    Examples of Mritak
    Kabir said:
    Dharam Das, this is a complicated thing.
    Only a few can learn this from a perfect Master.
    Example of bhringi
    Those who serve the Saints as Mritak, ultimately-grasping Shabda
    -achieve the Path to God.
    Just as the insect who, coming in contact with bhringi, develops its
    Bhringi attacks the insect with its sound, and one who catches that
    Is taken by the bhringi to his home, where he turns it into his own
    The insect who catches the sound of bhringi, itself becomes bhringi.
    Rare are the insects who catch the sound of bhringi at the first
    Some catch it at a second attempt, some at a third, and sacrificing
    their body and mind they become the form of bhringi.
    The insect who doesn't catch the sound of bhringi remains as an
    ordinary insect forever.
    0 Dharam Das, the disciple should receive the knowledge from the
    Master as the insect receives the sound from bhringi.
    How does one achieve the quality of bhringi?
    One who is determined to accept the teachings, I make him My
    own form:
    The jiva who has no duality realizes Me.
    One who believes the words of the Masters, only he becomes the
    When the crow merges itself into Shabda and leaves all her desires,
    she becomes a hansa.
    What is a hansa?
    He who leaves the path of the crow and dwells on the true Shabda
    within, eating pearls-
    Who gives his life to Sat Purush by following the Path shown by the
    Masters-is a hansa.
    More examples of Mritak
    Hear 0 Saints, the nature of Mritak; rare are those who practice the
    Path of God.
    Hear more attributes of Mritak: Mritak serves the Satguru.
    Mritak manifests love within him, and receiving that love the jiva
    gets liberation.
    Example of the earth
    The earth hurts no one-you be like that.
    Some put sandalwood on her, some throw dirt on her-still she
    hates no one.
    Mritak also hates no one-He is very happy even when opposed.
    Example of the sugar cane
    Listen to more attributes of Mritak, and step on the Path shown by
    the Master only after testing and understanding it:
    When the farmer makes jaggery out of sugar, he cuts the sugar cane
    into pieces;
    Then it is crushed in the press and the juice is heated in the cauldron.
    After boiling the juice jaggery is made, and boiling the jaggery, raw
    sugar is obtained.
    Heating the raw sugar, refined sugar is obtained.
    When sugar again burns herself, rock candy is obtained.
    Kabir says: From rock candy, sugar candy-which is liked by everyone-
    is made.
    In the same way, if the disciple bears all his sufferings, with Master's
    grace, he can easily cross the Ocean of Life.
    Who can develop the qualities of Mritak?
    Dharam Das, to develop the qualities of a Mritak is hard; only a
    brave soul can do it.
    The coward cannot bear to hear it. He runs away and feels as if his
    body and mind are burning.
    Only those disciples who are looked after by the Master can board
    the boat of Master's Knowledge.
    And this is true: that one who gets that knowledge, definitely goes
    to his eternal home.
    Only Mritak is a Sadhu
    Only he who becomes Mritak is a Sadhu and only he realizes the
    He removes all illusions and even the gods depend on him.
    Who is a Sadhu?
    0 Dharam Das, the path of the Sadhu is very difficult. He who lives
    as Mritak is a perfect Sadhu.
    He who has controlled the five organs of senses and drinks the
    nectar of Naam day and night is a Sadhu.
    Controlling the organ of seeing
    First of all control the eyes, and meditate on the Naam received
    from the Master.
    Seeing the Beautiful Form of God is the only worship for these eyes;
    he should not desire any other.
    One who understands "beautiful" and "ugly" as the same, and
    doesn't look at the body, enjoys happiness forever.
    Controlling the organ of hearing
    His ear should be fond of hearing good words, and should not like
    to hear bad words;
    But he who bears both-good and bad words-likes the Knowledge
    of the Master to remain in his heart.
    Controlling the organ of smell
    The nose is controlled by pleasant smells, but the clever saints keep
    it in their control.
    Controlling the organ of taste
    The tongue wants pleasant tastes: sour, sweet and delicious tastes.
    But the Mritak does not know any difference between tasty and
    tasteless things.
    He does not get excited even if he is brought the Five Nectars.
    He does not refuse food without salt, and lovingly accepts whatever
    is served him.
    Controlling the male genital organ
    This organ is wicked and very sinful. Lust is conquered by only a
    few ones.
    A lustful woman is the mine of Kal. Leave her company and become
    the Knower of the Guru.
    Controlling lust
    Whenever the wave of lust comes one should wake himself up.
    He should put his attention into Shabda and, keeping quiet, should
    drink the Nectar of Naam.
    When he merges into the Elementless, lust will be finished.
    The god of lust is a robber
    Lust is a mighty, dangerous and pain-giving negative power,
    Which made the gods, munis, yakshas, ghandharvas, indulge in
    All of them were plundered-only a few who remained determined
    with the quality of their knowledge were saved.
    Those who have the Light of the Satguru's Knowledge and are with
    Him, have the secret of the Path.
    The ways of escaping from lust, the robber
    Enlighten your inner Self with the Lamp of Knowledge.
    Meditate on the Satguru Shabda and the thief of darkness will run
    Example of the anul bird
    With the grace of the Master the jiva is called "Sadhu," and, becoming
    the and bird, goes back to his eternal home.
    Dharam Das, understand these words: I am telling you about the
    anul bird,
    Who lives in the sky and is supported by the air day and night.
    She performs the sexual act through the eyes and in that way becomes
    She lays her eggs in the sky, where there is no support:
    The egg is nourished while falling; in the sky it is hatched and the
    young bird takes birth;
    It is on the way that it opens its eyes, and on the way that it gets its
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    When it finally reaches the earth it realizes that this is not its home-
    Realizing that, it flies back to where its parents live.
    The anul bird doesn't come down to bring the baby back-it itself
    goes home, treading the path.
    Many birds live in this world, but very few of them are anul birds.
    Birds like that are rare, and rare are the jivas who merge themselves
    in Naam.
    If the jiva can practice this path, he can go back to Sat Lok, triumphing
    over Kal.
    When does a Sadhu become like an anul bird?
    When he goes only in the refuge of the Satguru and keeps only one
    desire-of Naam;
    When he keeps himself in the service of the Satguru day and night,
    and has no desire for wealth and property;
    When he forgets son, wife, and all the enjoyments and keeps himself
    attached to Satguru's feet.
    [Then he becomes like an anul bird.]
    What does the Master give to such a Sadhu?
    With the grace of the Satguru he gets relief from the unbearable
    pain and achieves Sat Lok.
    How does one get to the Motionless Plane?
    By remaining in the Master's remembrance, in thought, word,
    and deed, and by obeying the orders of the Master-
    Master gives one who does this the gift of liberation and merges him
    in Naam.
    The greatness of merging in Naam
    As long as the jiva doesn't merge himself in Naam, he wanders in
    this world.
    When he contemplates on the Formless and merges into Naam, all
    his doubts go away.
    If he merges into Naam even for a moment, Its greatness cannot be
    Everybody talks about Naam but rare ones achieve the formless
    Even if one lives in Kashi for ages, without the Essential Shabda
    he will go to hell.
    Nimkhar, Badri Dham, Gaya or Prayag-even if he bathes in these
    holy places,
    And goes to all the sixty-eight places of pilgrimage, yet without the
    Essential Shabda illusion cannot go away.
    What can I say further about that Naam, repeating which the fear
    of Yama goes away?
    What does one get who receives Naarn?
    One who gets Sat Naam from the Satguru goes to Sat Lok climbing
    the rope of Naam.
    Dharam Rai bows his head to him whose soul merges into the elementless.
    What is the Essential Shabda?
    The Essential Shabda is a bodiless form. The Essential Shabda is
    beautiful, wordless.
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    The body has elements and nature: The Essential Shabda is elementless
    and bodiless.
    In all four directions Shabda is talked about-only the Essential
    Shabda can liberate the souls.
    The Naam of Sat Purush Itself is the Essential Shabda and the Simran
    of Sat Purush is the Essential Shabda's recognition.
    One who merges into It without doing the Simran by tongue-even
    Kal is afraid of him.
    The path of the Essential Shabda is subtle, easy and perfect; but
    only the brave can follow it.
    It is neither a word, nor a simran, nor a japa. It is a perfect thing,
    achieving which one can conquer Kal.
    The support of the soul is in the head, and now I will tell you of the
    recognition of Shabda.
    One who gets connected with the Unrepeated Repetitiong gets to see
    the infinite-petaled lotus.
    When he reaches the astral door, he [ultimately] goes to Agam and
    Agochar [by way of] the True Path.
    His inner Self-where Adi Purush resides-gets enlightened.
    Recognizing Him, the soul goes to Him-and He takes the soul to
    its origin.
    The soul is of the same essence as Sat Purush and is also called Jiva-
    Dharam Das, you are a wise saint. Recognize that Shabda
    which gives liberation.

    Repeat the Unrepeated and with the grace of the perfect Master,
    test it.
    Keeping the wing of mind at rest, see the Shabda; and, climbing the
    mind, finish your Karma.
    Reach the place where the Sound is produced without tongue and
    the rosary beads are moved without hands:
    Merging into the Essential Shabda, go to the world of immortality.
    The glory of the Inconceivable is limitless-millions of suns and
    moons cannot vie with one hair.
    The radiance of one soul is equal to the light of sixteen suns.
    The jubilation of Dhararn Das:
    0 God, I sacrifice myself at Your Feet. Removing my pain, You
    have made me happy.
    Hearing Your words I am as happy as a blind man given eyes.

    Kabir said:
    Dharam Das, you are a pure soul, who, meeting with me, have removed
    your pain.
    Just as you have loved me, leaving your wealth, home and sons,
    In the same way, the disciples who will do this and, with determination
    will attach their mind to Master's Feet,
    And will manifest love within themselves for Master's Feet, sacrificing
    their body, mind and wealth on the Satguru-
    They will be most dear to me, and no one can ever stop them.
    The disciples who won't sacrifice everything, and keep fraud in
    their hearts while showing love on their faces,
    How can they go to Sat Lok? Without manifesting Master within
    they cannot achieve Me.
    Dharam Das ' confession of gratefulness:
    All this you have done, my God; I was very dirty.
    Showering grace on me You Yourself came to me and, holding my
    hand, have saved me from Kal.

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    NamJap ji,

    Correct me if I am wrong. But the story of Bhagat Kabir's passing is identical to the janamsakhi of Guru Nanak's passing.

    When Kabir was ready to leave, it is said that his Hindu and Muslim
    disciples were prepared to fight over whether his body should be
    cremated or buried. After rebuking them sternly for forgetting his
    teachings so soon, he lay down, covered himself with sheets, and told
    everyone 1 o leave. When they came back into the room, his body was
    gone; where it had been was a heap of flowers. His Muslim followers
    took half of the flowers and buried them, and his Hindu disciples took
    the other half and burned them.

    So I am wondering if the people at the spiritualawakening.com link realize this or whether some other issue or problem is at work. In other words, they may have gotten the text of two stories mixed up? Does the story of the passing of Kabir match up on other sites and sources? As one who has researched somewhat the hymns and life of Sant Kabir, I cannot remember there being an account of his passing, except for the spiritualawakening.com site. There is almost no primary historical evidence to document the life of Kabir, and most scholars support the conclusion, that much of what we know, we know from legend only.

    Guru Nanak's Passing

    The philosophy, teaching and principles of many faith traditions are revealed in the telling of stories. Some are historical. Many may not have happened exactly as they’re told. But they are none the less unerringly true.

    An example is the story of the death of Guru Nanak, founder of Sikhism. According the some versions of the story, as Nanak’s impending death became apparent a dispute arose among his disciples as to what should be done with the body. Those with a Hindu background spoke of cremation. Those with a Muslim background spoke of burial. The disagreement became quite sharp. Nanak had a plan to settle the dispute. "When I die," he said, "lay me out on the bier. Have the Hindus place flowers on one side of my body. Have the Muslims place flowers on the other side of my body. Close the door and leave me alone through the night. The next morning whosever flowers are fresh is how to dispose of my body. If the Hindus' flowers are fresh and the Muslims' flowers are wilted, then burn the body. If the Muslims' flowers are fresh and the Hindus' flowers are wilted, then bury the body."

    A few day later Guru Nanak died. His body was placed on the table. The Hindus placed flowers on one side of the body. The Muslims placed flowers on the other side. The door was closed and they waited through the night. The next morning the disciples went in to prepare the body for either cremation or burial. Whose flowers would be fresh and whose would be wilted? To their amazement neither set of flowers was wilted. Both were fresh. But it didn’t matter because the body was gone.

    This is the actual account of Guru Nanak's passing written by Macauliffe, in History of the Sikhs.

    Guru Nanak went and sat under a withered acacia tree, when lo! it became green, and produced leaves and blossoms. Angad again fell at his feet in adoration. Guru Nanak's family, relations, and disciples began to weep. On that occasion he composed the following:--

    Hail to the Creator, the True King, who allotted to the world its various duties!
    When the measure[1] is full, the duration of life is at an end; the soul is led away;
    When the destined hour arriveth, the soul is led away and all one's relations weep.
    The body and soul are separated, O my mother, when one's days are at an end.
    Thou hast obtained what was allotted thee, and reaped the fruit of thy former acts.
    Hail to the Creator, the True King, who allotted to the world its various duties!
    Remember the Lord, O my brethren; all must depart.
    The affairs of this world are transitory, only for four days; we must assuredly proceed onwards:
    We must assuredly proceed onwards like a guest; why should we be proud?

    Repeat the name of Him by whose worship thou shalt obtain happiness in His court.
    In the next world thou canst in no wise enforce thine authority; every one shall fare according to his acts.
    Remember the Lord, my brethren, every one must depart.
    That which pleaseth the Omnipotent shall come to pass this world is an illusion.
    The true Creator pervadeth sea and land, the nether regions, and the firmament.
    The true Creator is invisible, unequalled; His limit cannot be found.
    Profitable is their advent into this world who have meditated with their whole hearts upon Him.
    The Adorner by His order demolisheth and again constructeth.
    That which pleaseth the Omnipotent shall come to pass this world is an illusion.
    Saith Nanak, O Father, they shall be considered to have wept who weep through love.
    If men weep for the sake of worldly things, all their weeping, O Father, shall be in vain:
    All their weeping shall be in vain; the world is not mindful of God, and weepeth for mammon.
    They know not good from evil, and thus lose their human lives.
    All who come into this world must depart; false are you who practise pride.
    Saith Nanak, men shall be considered to have wept, O Father, if they weep through love.[1]
    (Macauliffe's translation)

    this the assembled crowd began to sing songs of mourning, and the Guru fell into a trance. When he awoke therefrom, his sons, on seeing a stranger appointed to succeed their father, inquired what provision had been made for themselves. Guru Nanak replied, 'O my sons, God giveth to His creatures; you shall obtain food and clothing in abundance, and if you repeat God's name you shall be saved at last.'

    The Musalmans who had received God's name from the Guru, said they would bury him after his death. His Hindu followers on the contrary said they would cremate him. When the Guru was invited to decide the discussion he said, 'Let the Hindus place flowers on my right, and the Musalmans on my left. They whose flowers are found fresh in the morning, may have the disposal of my body.' Guru Nanak then ordered the crowd to sing the Sohila:--

    In the house in which God's praise is sung and He is meditated on,
    Sing the Sohila and remember the Creator.
    Sing the Sohila of my fearless Lord; I am a sacrifice to that song of joy by which everlasting comfort is obtained.
    Ever and ever living things are watched over; the Giver regardeth their wants.
    When even Thy gifts cannot be appraised, who can appraise the Giver?
    The year and the auspicious time for marriage[1] are recorded; O relations, meet and pour oil on me the bride.[2]
    O my friends, pray for me that I may meet my Lord.
    This message is ever sent to every house; such invitations are ever issued.
    Remember the Caller; Nanak, the day is approaching.[3]
    (also Macauliffe's translation)
    The concluding slok of the japji was then sung. The Guru drew a sheet over 'him, uttered 'Wahguru', made obeisance to God, and blended his light with Guru Angad's. The Guru remained the same. There was only a change of body produced by a supreme miracle.

    When the sheet was removed next morning, there was nothing found beneath it. The flowers on both sides ere in bloom. The Hindus and the Musalmans removed their respective flowers. All the Sikhs reverently saluted the spot on which the Guru had lain. He breathed his last on the tenth day of the light half of the month of Assu, Sambat 1595 (A.D. 1538) at Kartarpur in the Panjab.

    So I am verily puzzled by the account of Kabir's death.
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    Aad Ji,

    Is it really true that Kabir liberated his Guru ?

    It is like water travelling upstream !!?!!
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    NamJap ji

    I am still stuck on why the story about the passing of Kabir is virtually identical to the passing of Guru Nanaak. How did the authors derive this information? It is the first time that I have encountered this version of Kabir's passing and I am curious about the source. To me it looks like heavy borrowing from Sikhism and in order to prop up the legitimacy of Kabir's teachings in the eyes of Sikhs. While at the same time undermining the fundamental core of Kabir's work.

    As you know I am not one to say that because we worship the same God we can therefore mute the distinctions of one panth contrasted to another panth. Never believed that if we blurr the differences that love peace and tolerance will break out all over the earth. Never bought that argument. :)
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    Thank You for bring this to my attention. I too have begun to view matters from your viewpoint. Today we have persons who are qualified to assess and scrutinize facts to separate fact from fiction. Bravo!
    :happy: ...that reminds me not to accept write ups like this at face value. The actual Anurag Sagar isn't this version at all. This version has been doctored and I have left out the heavy doses of Santmat references from it. But it is good to understand certain matters which have been lost from present-day Sikhism just for comparing the facts to derive at the most common-sense information.
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    NamJap ji

    You had a dilemma. How much can you remove? If you remove too much then the overall perspective of the document ceases to be what it is in fact. Actually, I did not think you were confused about the facts. It looked like something slipped through. What is now clear is why the one of the authors is a "Singh." Wow!

    Anyway -- yes, I agree. Sifting through arguments and counter-claims made by various religions in a respectful but analytic way without becoming incensed and insulted is a good way to proceed. :cool:
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    Here's another Singh author of anurag sagar - another offshoot of the santmat.


    'Anurag Sagar' is the most famous book of Kabir Sahib. Questions about the creation of universe asked by Dhani Dharam Dass, the main disciple of Kabir Sahib, have been given in this book. And in reply Kabir Sahib has given a complete description of the creation of universe. Kabir Sahib says that in the beginning God was in deep thoughtless meditation and there was nothing else except 'Him'. The five elements had not manifested. Neither was this universe, nor any soul. All this (manifested universe) was within God. This state has also been described by Guru Nanak as follows:
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    He further explains that God thought of creating the universe and the 'Word' emanated from Him. This led to all the creation below Sat Lok. First of all, Satpurush created sixteen sons (sixteen manifestations or powers), Niranjan being one of them. Saints name him 'Kaal' or Brahm. He (Kaal or Brahm) worshiped Satpurush for 70 yugas and obtained in reward his right for a separate creation. Again he (Kaal) worshipped for 64 yugas and obtained a huge number of souls from Satpurush and in collaboration with primal Maya (Shakti) the three main Gods, Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh were created. To these four i.e. Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh and primal force Maya, was given the control of all the creation below Sat Lok. He (Niranjan or Kaal) was then completely absorbed in the meditation of Satpurush and primal force Maya was instructed not to reveal his (Kaal's) identity to his three children. Guru Nanak Sahib also describes this as follows:

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    He further explains that God thought of creating the universe and the 'Word' emanated from Him. This led to all the creation below Sat Lok. First of all, Satpurush created sixteen sons (sixteen manifestations or powers), Niranjan being one of them. Saints name him 'Kaal' or Brahm. He (Kaal or Brahm) worshiped Satpurush for 70 yugas and obtained in reward his right for a separate creation. Again he (Kaal) worshipped for 64 yugas and obtained a huge number of souls from Satpurush and in collaboration with primal Maya (Shakti) the three main Gods, Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh were created. To these four i.e. Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh and primal force Maya, was given the control of all the creation below Sat Lok. He (Niranjan or Kaal) was then completely absorbed in the meditation of Satpurush and primal force Maya was instructed not to reveal his (Kaal's) identity to his three children. Guru Nanak Sahib also describes this as follows:

    Primal force Maya gave creation of this universe to Brahma, sustenance of the universe to Vishnu and destruction of the universe to Mahesh. After this Niranjan (Kaal) having created four Vedas and various religions through Brahma, started his own worship by all the souls. The souls were so beguiled that they forgot their real 'Home' and real 'Master'. The mind was associated with all the souls and they were so entangled in various 'Karam-Kand' (Rituals) that no soul of its own could escape to his real home. And the souls were governed by severe punishments.
    Satpurush was moved to see the souls in grief and first of all asked his enlightened soul (Kabir Sahib) to go and free the souls from the clutches of Kaal and bring them to Him. Under the orders of Satpurush, Kabir Sahib appeared as Sat Sukrit in Satyuga and counseled a few souls for the real worship of Satpurush. Kaal told Kabir Sahib that he (Kabri Sahib) could not enter his kingdom. Kabir Sahib said that he was going under the orders of Satpurush to awaken the souls and if he (Kaal) tried to stop him, he (Kabir Sahib) could destroy his kingdom in a moment. Hearing this Kaal said, "I am governing through your grace only. Before going, please promise that you will not show any miracle to the souls to follow you. You will hold satsangs (spiritual discourses) for enlightenment and for preaching. You may make any soul your follower if he accepts
    your sayings." And Kabir Sahib gave him this boon. Had this boon been not given, how easy it would have been for the saints to make the souls their followers by showing miracles.
    Kabir Sahib has described all the four yugas in this book. "Kaal Mat" (or the path of the Kaal) and "Dyaal Mat" (or the path of the Saints) have been described in detail. I have been listening to this teaching since childhood in the satsangs of Baba Bagga Singh ji, Baba Deva Singh ji and Baba Pratap Singh ji.
    There was a lot of demand from the devotees that the secrets of Anurag Sagar, Kaalmat and Dayalmat may be explained. So with the grace of Baba ji, I have started delivering satsangs serially on this teaching. And an attempt has been made so that the teachings of Anurag Sagar reach the devotees. These satsangs have been taped recorded and the devotees are already listening to these tapes. Now these satsangs are being offered to the devotees in the form of a book. I hope that the devotees will benefit fully from this effort.
    Tarn Taran
    July 21, 1998
    Kehar Singh​

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    First of all praying at the feet of his true master, Kabir Sahib humbly submits that he himself has no power to say anything or write anything. Yes, he can write a book like Anurag Sagar only if his true master gives him the power. Therefore he says that he bows thousand times at the feet of his master who told him the secret of 'Agam' (when soul descends from Anami desh, then come two stations called Alakh and Agam). The true master enabled him to do spiritual practice by initiating him to 'Word' or sound current. Thus he could take his consciousness from Pind (region below the eyes) to 'eye centre' and see the effulgent form of the master and whole Brahmand, full of light. Kabir further says that earlier he would see darkness on closing his eyes but now he sees light instead of darkness. Enlightened by his true master now, he can see the light of a Jyoti (flame). Only his true master has given him the power to succeed and see God.
    Kabir Sahib says "the true master initiated me to 'Naam', made me repeat it and took me to Daswan Dwar to take bath in 'Amritsar', taught me the technique to wash off the dirt to countless births and enabled me to see that form of God which we cannot see with our eyes or hear with our ears or reach Him with these feet or worship him with these hands."​
    Kabir further says, "With the grace of Sat Guru, I have met God by concentrating upon word. I have merged in Him. The soul has become God just as a weather drop becomes sea by merging in it. Now the soul tastes the 'Amrit', the like of which does not exist on earth." Many things of this world like Sugar etc. are sweet, but their sweetness is nothing when compared to the sweetness of the 'Word'.
    "My Sat Guru is a Saviour, a see of mercy. But a few only recognize Him. He reveals the secret of N¢am or word to him who recognizes Him. A diamond is valued only by a goldsmith." Once a potter found a diamond in the soil and he tied it around the neck of his donkey. He went to a shopkeeper along with the donkey. The shopkeeper asked the potter the source of this shining thing. The potter said he found it in the soil. The shopkeeper said "It is very beautiful. Please give it to me." The shopkeeper paid the potter ten rupees for the diamond and shopkeeper's wife tied it to the weighing balance. One day a goldsmith visited the shopkeeper. On seeing the diamond, he thought that it must be worth a crore of rupees. He paid the shopkeeper twenty rupees and took the diamond and in turn sold it for a crore rupees in the bazaar. Hence only a goldsmith could recognize a diamond. ​

    Similarly rare is the person who recognizes a Sat Guru having knowledge of the 'Word'. Only sixteen persons were initiated to 'Word' in Satyug and 22 in Treta yuga by Kabir. There is no such record for Dwapur yuga. But many persons recognized Satpurush in this Kalyuga.
    One who recognizes a Sat Guru, listens to his teachings with full attention, accepts Him from the heart and obeys his orders. During his tour, Kabir once met a sweet seller sitting proudly in his shop. Mercifully, Kabir said to him "Please come to Satsang." The shopkeeper asked his servant to give two jalebis (sweet) to this hermit. Kabir said "I don't want jalebis." Sweet seller inquired "Then what do you want?"

    Simultaneously he ordered his servant to give him a few coins also. Kabir said, 'I don't want money, too." The sweetseller said, "You want neither jalebis, nor money. Then what do you want? It is my time to attend to the customers. Why are you obstructing like this?" Kabir said "Time is very less. Please do come to Satsang." The shopkeeper asked his servants to push him away from the shop. And the servants did likewise. Kabir came to the shop after a few days and said, "Gentleman, now very little time has been left. Come to satsang." The sweetseller said to his servant, "Don't let such persons come to me. Of your own, push them away from sight." The servants turned Kabir out. After seven days, Kabir again came and requested the sweet-seller humbly to attend the Satsang. The servants tried to push him away. Being well-built, Kabir stuck to his place. Then a servant hit him on the head with an iron rod. Kabir's head was broken, the blood was coming out and his clothes were drenched in the blood. But Kabir remained humble and said "Seth Ji, now the time is really very less. Do come to the Satsang." The sweetseller paid no attention to him. After a week when Kabir came again, the sweetseller had already died. Kabir came to the sweetseller mercifully but he did not value his advice. The moral of the story is that only very few people recognize the saints in time, get initiation of the Word and then merge in the Lord through it. Saints come into the world to do good to us. They want to liberate us from this cycle of eighty four. We should not quarrel with them but should get enlightenment from them
    and act on their teachings. The sweetseller would have definitely benefited if he had recognized Saint Kabir.
    Kabir says, "Listen, you have got priceless treasures in your body." You cannot get this treasure without the grace of Sat Guru because the Guru has got the key of this treasure.
    Sat Guru in the form of 'Word' resides in us but He is locked inside and we are sitting outside. Therefore, how can we meet Him? Getting a key of 'Word' from the outside Sat Guru, then practicing It we can reach Him inside. We have to remove the darkness of 'Moh' from inside by the light of the teachings of the Sat Guru. Only then shall we be able to see the priceless treasure inside. Kabir says to Dharam Dass "I am going to write the book "Anurag Sagar". Only a rare great soul will understand its secret or recognize its importance."

    Kabir says "I am going to write the book 'Anurag Sagar'. Very few people will understand its language. Such people will have the burning desire to meet God." Just as Japuji is the key to Granth Sahib, Anurag Sagar is the foundation of Sant Mat, it is a base of Sant Mat. Kabir says, "One who does not understand Anurag Sagar (inner ocean of Love), he will always remain on the periphery of Sant Mat, even though he might think of having gone inside. Therefore I am going to describe everything of the inner worlds". The secret of Nirvan Pad or Sat Lok will be revealed in Anurag Sagar.
    Bowing at the feet of Kabir, Dharam Das begs, "Sat Guru, I have a doubt in my mind. Please remove it. The doubt is, what is Anurag or Love? How does one feel when Love or Anurag sprouts from within? How can we recognize a person who is Anuragi or Love-bitten? All look alike from outside. However some are so powerful that a word from them brings about punishment of death to a person. Devotees of God like Guru Nanak were tormented and put behind bars. How to find whether one is Anuragi (i.e. Lover of God) or not? Yes, at least I do understand that without love, separation, pain and burning desire, one cannot meet God."

  16. OP

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    Kabir says, "Dharam Dass, you have asked the questions, now listen to the answers with full attention. The signs of a person in love with God are soothing. The deer loves sound. The hunter takes advantage of this and plays a sound of its liking. The deer comes running and places its head in the lap of the hunter. The deer has the least doubt that it has reached in the lap of the hunter and that the hunter will butcher it. It is not afraid of that. The love, the attachment of sound created detachment in the deer and it came running after the sound. This is an example of Anurag or love. This is a story from Lyalpur and its deputy commissioner who belonged to Sialkot. His old mother was fond of going to Baisakhi festival and dancing there. When Baisakhi festival came, she asked her son to take her to the festival as she was not sure of her lasting to live for the next festival. Deputy commissioner said, "Mother, you will start dancing on reaching the festival & this will bring shame (insult) to me." The mother said, "You take me there, I will not dance." But on reaching there, hearing the beat of the drum, she could not control herself and started dancing. The people were stunned to see this old lady dancing with such a force. Some one recognized her and said that she was the mother of the D.C.

    People caught hold of her and put her in the car. The moral of the story is that when a person is detached (from the surrounding), he looses her awareness/consciousness. This loss of consciousness is called Anurag or love. He is not afraid of social shame and his Guru's attention compels him to come running for a 'darshan'. This Anurag (or love) manifests in Sahaj state.
    Anuragi people are recognized of their own. The moth does go to the lantern whether it belongs to rich or poor. Reaching the lantern, it might burn itself. Anuragi (or lovers of God) are similarly attracted to the Saints and they come running to them. Kabir further says that the Anuragi gets initiation from a living saint, practices Naam, sees light inside and contacts his Guru in the form of sound current. Only the liberated one liberates. Guru Sahib says, "I have contacted a Guru who is a liberated one and He can also liberate me from this round of eighty four (i.e. births & deaths)." Guru Amar Dass says:
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    It means that I got initiation from a living Saint, practiced Naam and then 'Word'- manifested - Guru caught hold of me from the arm and took me along with Him. This is the sign of a Guru that He takes the disciple out of the darkness and shows him the light within.

    In olden times, the wife would burn herself on the pyre of her dead husband. During burning, the woman would not move her body at all. Due to separation from her husband, she alone would burn herself leaving behind property money and friends. People would bring her son to her and tell her that he would die without her. They would attempt to create in her an attachment for him by reminding her that the house would be empty without her. They would further tell her that her husband had left a lot of property. She would not face any hardship in life and she ought to save the destruction of home. The relatives would cry but she had only one thing in her mind - love of her husband. Nothing appealed to her except her husband & she would sit in the pyre to burn herself. All relatives asked her to come back to home but she would not listen as the love of her husband attracted her.
    Dharam Dass! the woman was persuaded in so many different ways but nothing affected her. She would say, "After living for a while, one has to die. At death time, all these things will not help. Then why not die now with my husband."

    She advised her friends and said, "All of you, too, should understand my views and should live at the feet of your husband when he dies, i.e., burn yourself along with him."
    Another example is that of the king Bhartarihari. When king Bhartarihari went to palace from his 'Darbar', the queen inquired about the cause of his sadness. The king said, "There is nothing to worry." The queen persisted and the king said that he saw today an event which he had not seen before. My minister died today. When his pyre was lit, his wife placed his head in her lap and burnt herself along with him. Hearing this, the queen said, "How should a faithful woman behave according to you?" The queen inquired about the time of death of the Minister. The king told her that he died at 10 a.m. The queen again asked, "And when was he cremated?" "At 4p.m.", the king replied. The queen said, "How could she remain alive from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.? The wife is faithful only if she gives up her life as soon as the husband dies." The king thought that the queen is telling a lie. She should be tested. The king went on thinking about this matter for two months. And then one day, he tore his clothes, sprinkled some blood on them and asked his minister to give these clothes to his wife with the information that the king had died during hunting. The minister came to the queen and said, "O, queen! these are king's clothes." The queen recognized the clothes and inquired about the details. The minister said, "It is not worth telling." The queen persisted and the minister said, "The king had an encounter with a lion and the lion killed......." And she collapsed and gave up her life the moment she heard the word 'killed'. The king came running. The doctors were called but it was too late. The king was sad that. He thought that he would not get so good a wife in the world now. The relatives said that they wanted a heir to the throne who could run thegovernment. The king married again. He respected the second queen as much as the first one. One day a Saint gave the king an "amarfal" and said, "You will always remain young, O'king, if you eat this fruit." The king thought that he was already past the prime of his life and it would be of no use to become young now. He, therefore, gave this fruit to his wife and said, "Eat this fruit and you will always remain young." The queen said, "I shall eat it in the morning." The queen was in love with the mahout. She took the fruit to him and said, "By eating this amar fruit I will remain youthful while you will grow old and I won't like this. So take this fruit and eat it." The mahout said, "I was attending to elephants the whole day and lot of dirt is sticking to me. I shall take a bath & then eat it." This mahout in turn was in love with a prostitute. He went to her in the night and said, "This is amar fruit. Eat it. It will keep you youthful & beautiful." The prostitute also said that she would take it after the bath. Then this prostitute started thinking that if she ate this fruit, she would remain entangled in this lustful life throughout her life. She thought of the religious nature of the king and decided that she would offer this fruit to him so that he could practice religion and devotion to God for a long time. Thus within 24 hours the amar fruit was back to the king. The king asked the prostitute, "Who gave this fruit?" She said that the mahout had given it to her. On enquiry, the mahout said that the queen had given it to him. The queen said that she ate the fruit as soon as the king gave it to her. When the king threatened, the queen said that she loved the mahout and therefore gave the fruit to him. And the mahout admitted of his love for the prostitute and hence he gave the fruit to her. Then the king started accusing himself, "I may be cursed a lakh (100,000) times for I did not eat this fruit myself. And the queen be cursed crore (10,000,000) times for she gave up the love of a king for a mahout. The mahout in turn be cursed arab (1,000,000,000) times for he preferred a prostitute to the

    continued here : Anurag Sagar Part - I
  17. Parma

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    Sikh = Learning. Is that not what all life is each day you develop to be what you are. I guess you are never fully developed into being who you are until the moment you die.
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    Sikh = Learning

    One must never shy away from learning what other sects are teaching because the more we learn the more we understand that these teachings came from elsewhere. So no matter how much endorsement santmat lays on the teachings of Kabir, they are never santmat's originals.

    Paul Twitchell has been said to have plagarised his writings from santmat, the same can be said about santmat. They heavily borrow from Kabir Panth and Sikhism.
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    NamJap ji

    And the lesson learned is the importance of having all the information possible so that it can be evaluated. And to sharpen one's intellectual equipment in order to evaluate. The only alternatives are to run away from an issue for fear of being somehow dirtied by it, or to let some other person tell you what to think.

    A forum like SPN is at its best when all the information is laid out and anyone who wishes to be part of a discussion is not discouraged by the mind-sets of other people.
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    Truly said, SPN doesn't claim to be a gurdwara or a representative of any orthodox religion, therefore all facts presented can be carefully assessed and re-assessed just like the way the archeologists treat their findings.

    Now this is getting jucier, because Paul Twitchell also used the phrase Ocean of Love and Mercy in his books. This is a good write up of Paul Twitchel l:-

    A short biography of Paul Twitchell

    After Paul died, the next master of Eckankar was Darwin Gross. But there is no reference about him in the present literature of Eckankar. Even Paul's books are out of circulation. There seems to be a cover up. Here is an account of Darwin Gross and the humiliation he went thru - the real story :-

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    NamJap ji

    You have done some deep excavation. The ideas of Paul Twitchell are shall we say, "remarkable." In line with the Oneness theme members might want to take a look at some of these teachings. Even take a look at the web site.
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