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Sri Akal Takhat Sahib issues further Aadesh
regarding Gurdwara’s and party halls
regarding Gurdwara’s and party halls
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India Sri Akal Takhat Sahib Issues Further Aadesh Regarding Gurdwara’s And Party Halls
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Anti Gurmat activities, like the consumption of Meat?
Since when has eating Meat been anti Gurmat?
Reading through the SRM I can find only one reference to Meat
The under mentioned four transgressions (tabooed practices) must be avoided:
1. Dishonoring the hair;
2. Eating the meat of an animal slaughtered the Muslim way;
3. Cohabiting with a person other than one’s spouse;
4. Using tobacco
Which gives the impression that meat is allowed provided it is not Halal.
This only goes further to confuse people, and puts meat in the same camp as alcohol.
Since when has eating Meat been anti Gurmat?
Reading through the SRM I can find only one reference to Meat
The under mentioned four transgressions (tabooed practices) must be avoided:
1. Dishonoring the hair;
2. Eating the meat of an animal slaughtered the Muslim way;
3. Cohabiting with a person other than one’s spouse;
4. Using tobacco
Which gives the impression that meat is allowed provided it is not Halal.
This only goes further to confuse people, and puts meat in the same camp as alcohol.
harry Ji..you missed the boat...its been a long time since the Akal takhat gave up its own SRM...its now a DERA SRM follower...and DERAS as you know are vegetarians (although in the darkness of night they consume human flesh as Guru nanak ji says in his Gurbani..only now they call this "private consultations"...)Now that SRM of 1935 is a paper tiger...not worth the papaer its printed on each year by the SGPC which doesnt follow it...( just PRINTS IT).
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OK, clearly alchol is prohibited for Sikhs. There is no question or doubt over it. People who bring or consume alcohol in the Gurudwara should get the "massa rangar treatment".
The meat issue again??? We can say that meat should not be server in the Gurudwara as the langar is open to everyone and for a lot of reasons it would offend people. However, meat consumption is not an issue for Sikhs. I don't know where people are going with this. If people want to really respect Sikhi then they should learn, understand and live according to Gurubani. Perception of respect in front of others does not have much value.
The meat issue again??? We can say that meat should not be server in the Gurudwara as the langar is open to everyone and for a lot of reasons it would offend people. However, meat consumption is not an issue for Sikhs. I don't know where people are going with this. If people want to really respect Sikhi then they should learn, understand and live according to Gurubani. Perception of respect in front of others does not have much value.
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source: http://www.sikhs.org/meat.htm
Misconceptions About Eating Meat
by Sandeep Singh Brar
The view of Sikhism is that eating meat or abstaining from it is the individuals choice. A Sikh is considered no lesser or greater a Sikh if they eat meat or are a vegetarian.
Final Ruling from Akal Takht
The Akal Takht represents the final authority on controversial issues concerning the Sikh Panth, in this regard the issue of meat eating has been settled. Hukamnama issued by Akal Takht Jathedar Sandhu Singh Bhaura dated February 15th 1980 that Amritdhari Sikhs can eat meat as long as it is jhatka meat and that eating meat does not go against the code of conduct, Kurehit, of the Sikhs. Thus a Sikh cannot be excommunicated for eating meat.
The Sikh Reht Maryada (The Official Code of Conduct) An Amritdhari Khalsa Sikh is not allowed to eat the meat of an animal slaughtered the Muslim way.
In Punjabi the word "Kuttha" specifically means meat prepared according to the Muslim ritual slaughter.
Punjabi-English Dictionary, Punjabi University, Dept. of Punjabi Lexicography, Published Dec. 1994. "Kuttha: meat of animal or fowl slaughtered slowly as prescribed by Islamic law."
Punjabi English Dictionary, Singh Bros., Amritsar "Kuttha: Tortured, killed according to Mohammedan law."
What is Jhatka Meat and Why? Jhatka meat is meat in which the animal has been killed quickly without suffering or religious ritual.
Sikhism, A Complete Introduction, Dr. H.S.Singha & Satwant Kaur, Hemkunt Press
We must give the rationale behind prescribing jhatka meat as the approved food for the Sikhs. According to the ancient Aryan Hindu tradition, only such meat as is obtained from an animal which is killed with one stroke of the weapon causing instantaneous death is fit for human consumption. However, with the coming of Islam into India and the Muslim political hegemony, it became a state policy not to permit slaughter of animals for food, in any other manner, except as laid down in the Quran - the kosher meat prepared by slowly severing the main blood artery of the throat of the animal while reciting verses from the Quran. It is done to make slaughter a sacrifice to God and to expiate the sins of the slaughter. Guru Gobind Singh took a rather serious view of this aspect of the whole matter. He, therefore, while permitting flesh to be taken as food repudiated the whole theory of this expiatory sacrifice and the right of ruling Muslims to impose iton the non-Muslims. Accordingly, he made jhatka meat obligatory for those Sikhs who may be interested in taking meat as a part of their food.
Sikhs and Sikhism, Dr. I.J.Singh, Manohar Publishers.
And one semitic practice clearly rejected in the Sikh code of conduct is eating flesh of an animal cooked in ritualistic manner; this would mean kosher and halal meat. The reason again does not lie in religious tenet but in the view that killing an animal with a prayer is not going to enoble the flesh. No ritual, whoever conducts it, is going to do any good either to the animal or to the diner. Let man do what he must to assuage his hunger. If what he gets, he puts to good use and shares with the needy, then it is well used and well spent, otherwise not.
Why is Meat not served in Langar?
The reason why meat is not served at langar in the Gurdwaras is because langar is supposed to be a symbol of equality of mankind where all people no matter what race, religion or caste can eat toghether in the atmosphere of brotherhood. Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, it does not matter who they are. Different religions have different dietary restrictions. Hindus cannot eat cow, muslims cannot eat pork and will only eat halal meat. Jews will only eat kosher meat, others cannot eat fish or eggs. But in a gurdwara langar, it does not matter what their dietary taboos or religious beliefs are, the food is designed so that all can eat together and no one will be offended or not be able to partake of the meal.
Misconceptions About Eating Meat
by Sandeep Singh Brar
The view of Sikhism is that eating meat or abstaining from it is the individuals choice. A Sikh is considered no lesser or greater a Sikh if they eat meat or are a vegetarian.
Final Ruling from Akal Takht
The Akal Takht represents the final authority on controversial issues concerning the Sikh Panth, in this regard the issue of meat eating has been settled. Hukamnama issued by Akal Takht Jathedar Sandhu Singh Bhaura dated February 15th 1980 that Amritdhari Sikhs can eat meat as long as it is jhatka meat and that eating meat does not go against the code of conduct, Kurehit, of the Sikhs. Thus a Sikh cannot be excommunicated for eating meat.
The Sikh Reht Maryada (The Official Code of Conduct) An Amritdhari Khalsa Sikh is not allowed to eat the meat of an animal slaughtered the Muslim way.
In Punjabi the word "Kuttha" specifically means meat prepared according to the Muslim ritual slaughter.
Punjabi-English Dictionary, Punjabi University, Dept. of Punjabi Lexicography, Published Dec. 1994. "Kuttha: meat of animal or fowl slaughtered slowly as prescribed by Islamic law."
Punjabi English Dictionary, Singh Bros., Amritsar "Kuttha: Tortured, killed according to Mohammedan law."
What is Jhatka Meat and Why? Jhatka meat is meat in which the animal has been killed quickly without suffering or religious ritual.
Sikhism, A Complete Introduction, Dr. H.S.Singha & Satwant Kaur, Hemkunt Press
We must give the rationale behind prescribing jhatka meat as the approved food for the Sikhs. According to the ancient Aryan Hindu tradition, only such meat as is obtained from an animal which is killed with one stroke of the weapon causing instantaneous death is fit for human consumption. However, with the coming of Islam into India and the Muslim political hegemony, it became a state policy not to permit slaughter of animals for food, in any other manner, except as laid down in the Quran - the kosher meat prepared by slowly severing the main blood artery of the throat of the animal while reciting verses from the Quran. It is done to make slaughter a sacrifice to God and to expiate the sins of the slaughter. Guru Gobind Singh took a rather serious view of this aspect of the whole matter. He, therefore, while permitting flesh to be taken as food repudiated the whole theory of this expiatory sacrifice and the right of ruling Muslims to impose iton the non-Muslims. Accordingly, he made jhatka meat obligatory for those Sikhs who may be interested in taking meat as a part of their food.
Sikhs and Sikhism, Dr. I.J.Singh, Manohar Publishers.
And one semitic practice clearly rejected in the Sikh code of conduct is eating flesh of an animal cooked in ritualistic manner; this would mean kosher and halal meat. The reason again does not lie in religious tenet but in the view that killing an animal with a prayer is not going to enoble the flesh. No ritual, whoever conducts it, is going to do any good either to the animal or to the diner. Let man do what he must to assuage his hunger. If what he gets, he puts to good use and shares with the needy, then it is well used and well spent, otherwise not.
Why is Meat not served in Langar?
The reason why meat is not served at langar in the Gurdwaras is because langar is supposed to be a symbol of equality of mankind where all people no matter what race, religion or caste can eat toghether in the atmosphere of brotherhood. Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, it does not matter who they are. Different religions have different dietary restrictions. Hindus cannot eat cow, muslims cannot eat pork and will only eat halal meat. Jews will only eat kosher meat, others cannot eat fish or eggs. But in a gurdwara langar, it does not matter what their dietary taboos or religious beliefs are, the food is designed so that all can eat together and no one will be offended or not be able to partake of the meal.
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Let us try some common sense. The question really is lot of practicality versus a meat or not meat issue. One can eat meat and go to Gurdwara or go to Gurdwara and eat meat after. So we are talking about say 30 minutes or an hour of body time.
Now let us look at the practicality to much that has been alluded already.
Let us hypothesize cooking and serving meat at Gurdwara,
- Blood everywhere and great issue of salmonella and like troubles
- Perhaps the inner crowd will get the best pieces of meat before the sangat shows up
- People will say give me that piece or this piece
- Lot of the later arrivals will be left with bones to suck on
- Dirty antics on how some will try to suck the marrow out of the bones
- Chicken bone in the throat Emergencies
- more could be added with imagination lollollol
So my feeling is that it is best practicality to not do or consider meat at Gurdwaras aside from cow/pig/kosher/shell fish/etc,, issues. Outside Gurdwaras, have a nice day!
Sat Sri Akal.
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and a hapless goat not taking kindly to his head getting chopped off may take a shot at the jhatkaee singhs "family Jewels"....and who knows 7 pushtaan/21 pushtaan may be LOST forever...he he eh eh he.baaaaaaaa.. ( For the uninitiated the 7 pushtan/21 pushtaan menaing 7 and 21 generations are a favourite of the tall atle derawallahs types..they reward 7 generations and curse 21 generations...for example a "good deed" means 7 genertaions get a FREE TICKET to Heaven..while a misdeed gets 21 generations into HELL..ALL for nothing since the good deed/bad deed was comitted nOT y them but their ancestors..what a good Dharma..indeed.
Verily a tall tale may then merge..with the Goat talking ( in shudh Punjabi if in Punjab and English if in west or French russin chiense etc depending on gurdwara location)..and telling the Jhatkaee Singh that just ahd his 7 generations sent into limbo...YOU KICKED ME "there" last time when YOU were the Goat and I was the butcher..so NOW its pay back time ( There is such a story in sikh history always repeated by bhais and sant babas )...and the TALKING GOAT is siad to have convinced Sadhna the Butcher to give up "butchering" and........surprise ending......@!!! migrate to UK as an illegal immigrant and doing new job as...double glazer of windows..ha ha ( Way MORE GOOD karmas keeping the Brits WARM than butchering goats in starving India...eh ??):redturban:
Verily a tall tale may then merge..with the Goat talking ( in shudh Punjabi if in Punjab and English if in west or French russin chiense etc depending on gurdwara location)..and telling the Jhatkaee Singh that just ahd his 7 generations sent into limbo...YOU KICKED ME "there" last time when YOU were the Goat and I was the butcher..so NOW its pay back time ( There is such a story in sikh history always repeated by bhais and sant babas )...and the TALKING GOAT is siad to have convinced Sadhna the Butcher to give up "butchering" and........surprise ending......@!!! migrate to UK as an illegal immigrant and doing new job as...double glazer of windows..ha ha ( Way MORE GOOD karmas keeping the Brits WARM than butchering goats in starving India...eh ??):redturban:
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