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Hinduism SIKHS Are HINDUs: RSS

Discussion in 'Interfaith Dialogues' started by ceo_nikka, Aug 16, 2006.

  1. ceo_nikka

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    Sikhs are Hindus, says RSS

    Press Trust Of India
    Posted Wednesday, August 16, 2006 at 16:05Updated Wednesday, August 16, 2006 at 19:39

    New Delhi: A RSS film projects Sikhs as part of the Hindu community and shows a Sikh man being beaten up by Muslim attackers during Partition.
    In the 90-minute documentary on late Sangh leader Guru Golwalkar, RSS chief K S Sudarshan makes no distinction between Hindus and Sikhs when he recounts the violence during Partition in 1947.
    Sudarshan claims RSS activists worked to protect "every Hindu" from attacks when the subcontinent was being divided. "They were asked (by Golwalkar) to ensure every Hindu is safe (in the region)," he says in the film directed by TV actor and former BJP MP Nitish Bhardwaj, who played Krishna in Mahabharta.
    The film, which talks about Hindutva and 'Akhand Bharat', shows armed Sangh activists saving a Sikh woman from sword-wielding attackers. Replete with references to Hindus and Hindutva, the documentary carries footage of Jawaharlal Nehru, Lal Bahadur Shastri and Indira Gandhi.
    Senior BJP leader L K Advani, who quit as party president seven months ago after a row with the Sangh for his comments on Pakistan's founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah, has appeared as a commentator in the film.
    "In the 20th century, the Sangh was the biggest movement of nation-building," says Advani in the film, which Sikh groups have called objectionable.
    "Sikhism is a monotheistic faith and rejects casteism and object worship. No propaganda should be allowed against the distinct character of the faith," said Shiromani Akali Dal (Longowal) leader Prem Singh Chandumajra said.
    The Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee (DSGMC) demanded that changes be made in the film immediately before it is released in next month.
    "Sikhs are a distinct community and this has to be mentioned in the video," says DSGMC leader Paramjit Singh Sarna.
    The film may create controversy in Punjab, as the Congress and Akali groups accuse Shiromani Akali Dal chief Parkash Singh Badal of promoting the RSS’s Hindutva agenda for votes.
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    Thanks for posting the article. Proves the point as to why das is anti RSS.

    "Sikhism is a monotheistic faith and rejects casteism and object worship.

    No propaganda should be allowed against the distinct character of the faith," said Shiromani Akali Dal (Longowal) leader Prem Singh Chandumajra said.

    The Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee (DSGMC) demanded that changes be made in the film immediately before it is released in next month.

    "Sikhs are a distinct community and this has to be mentioned in the video," says DSGMC leader Paramjit Singh Sarna."

    RSS proves the point that they are anti-Guru Nanak Dev ji hence anti-Waheguroo!!!!!!!!!

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    I have noticed quite a no of comments there so far.

    Guru Sahib and Kalika and Bhagauti
    Based on Hum Hindu Nahin by Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha
    By: Bijla Singh
    In this article, I will attempt to clear some of the points that organizations such as the RSS have brought forward. Though most Sikhs who have knowledge of our glorious history and enlightening Bani can easily refute the points made by the RSS, however others who are new to Sikhi might become disillusioned upon hearing the parchar of the RSS. Two points that are commonly brought forward by the RSS will be countered using Gurbani and Sikh history. The two points, which this article will focus on, are, Guru Gobind Singh Ji worshipped Kalika Devi (Chandi Goddess) and the second being that he worshipped Bhagauti (Durga Goddess). I hope that the proofs, which will be provided in this article, will ensure that those who have limited knowledge on Gurbani and Sikh history will not fall prey to the parchar of nefarious organizations such as the RSS.

    The RSS makes the claim that while Sikhs say that Gurmat condemns the worship of gods and goddesses, Guru Gobind Singh Ji worshipped goddesses, the proof of this is contained in Bachittar Natak.
    ਮਹਾਕਾਲ ਕਾਲਿਕਾ ਅਰਾਧੀ 2
    “Mahakal Kalika Aradhi”
    In addition, it appears that the Guru wrote Chandi Charitar in praise of goddess Chandi and has described the importance of its recitation, e.g.
    ਜਾਹਿ ਨਮਿਤ ਪੜ੍ਹੈ ਸੁਨਹੈ ਨਰ, ਸੋ ਨਿਸਚੈ ਕਰਿ ਤਾਹਿ ਦਈ ਹੈ 232 (ਚੰਡੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਉਕਤਿ ਪਾ: 10)
    ਫੇਰ ਜੂਨੀ ਆਇਆ ਜਿਨ ਏਹ ਗਾਇਆ 55 (ਵਾਰ ਚੰਡੀ ਪਾ: 10)
    The RSS has purposely or accidentally over looked the message of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, which is contained in the Dasam Granth.
    ਨਮੋ ਪਰਮ ਗਿਆਤਾ ਨਮੋ ਲੋਕ ਮਾਤਾ 52
    Salutation to Thee O Supreme Knower Lord! Salutation to Thee O Universal Mother Lord! ||52||
    In the above quotation, Kalika does not mean anything different from Eternal. To dispel all the doubts we show the condemnation of the worship of goddess in these six statements.
    a) Guru Gobind Singh Ji has ordained the Sikhs:
    Except Waheguru (God), do not accept anyone as the ruler and controller of the world.
    Moreover, it is written in the Vaar (ode) of Chandi:
    ਤੈਂ ਹੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੈ ਦੈਤਾਂ ਦਾ ਨਾਸ ਕਰਾਇਆ
    O Lord! By creating Durga, Thou hast caused the destruction of demons.
    It proves that there is a Creator of Durga and she is His Creature. Is it possible that the Guru counsels his Sikhs one thing and he himself does the totally opposite? It is not possible.

    b) Guru Sahib makes this supplication and promise:
    ਤੁਮਹਿ ਛਾਡਿ ਕੋਈ ਅਵਰ ਧਯਾਊਂ ਜੋ ਬਰ ਚਹੋਂ ਸੁ ਤੁਮ ਤੇ ਪਾਊਂ
    I may remember none else except Thee; and obtain all the required boons from Thee. (Chaupai Sahib)
    ਇਕ ਬਿਨ ਦੂਸਰ ਸੋ ਚਿਨਾਰ
    Do not accept anyone except God as God. (Shabad Hazaray)
    ਭਜੋਂ ਸੁ ਏਕ ਨਾਮਯੰ ਜੁ ਕਾਮ ਸਰਬ ਠਾਮਯੰ
    I recite only the Name of the Lord, which is useful at all places. (Bachittar Natak)
    ਧਿਆਨ ਆਨ ਕੋ ਧਰੋਂ ਨਾਮ ਆਨ ਉਚਰੋਂ 38
    I do not meditate on anyone else, nor do I repeat the Name of anyone else. ||38|| (Bachittar Natak)
    From the above quotes, it is clear that Guru Sahib worshipped none other than one Supreme Creator. Is it possible that Guru Sahib acts against his own promise?

    c) The author of a Granth writes the name of the deity he worships in the beginning of the Granth. There he writes the invocation. Scholars can tell which deity the author worships from the invocation.
    Guru Gobind Singh Ji has always used the invocation:
    ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ
    One Eternal, True, accessible by the grace of the Guru.
    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ
    One True Eternal, Victory to the Wonderful Lord.
    Then how can anyone conclude that Guru Sahib worshipped Durga? It simply never happened.

    d) Sikhs believe that the Ten Gurus were in reality One. Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s ideas and objectives were the same as those of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. This is written in Guru Granth Sahib Ji:
    ਭਰਮੇ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਰ ਦੇਵੀ ਦੇਵਾ
    The angelic beings, goddesses and gods are deluded by doubt. (Ang 258)
    ਦੇਵੀਆ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਨੈ ਮਰਮ
    The goddesses do not know His mystery. (Ang 894)
    ਮਹਾ ਮਾਈ ਕੀ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰੈ ਨਰ ਸੈ ਨਾਰਿ ਹੋਇ ਅਉਤਰੈ 3
    ਤੂ ਕਹੀਅਤ ਹੀ ਆਦਿ ਭਵਾਨੀ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਕੀ ਬਰੀਆ ਕਹਾ ਛਪਾਨੀ 4
    One who worships the Great Goddess Maya will be reincarnated as a woman, and not a man. ||3|| You are called the Primal Goddess. At the time of liberation, where will you hide then? ||4|| (Ang 874)
    Then Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself says in the Akal Ustat:
    ਚਰਨ ਸਰਨ ਜਿਹ ਬਸਤ ਭਵਾਨੀ
    The goddess Durga takes refuge at the feet of Eternal and abides there.
    Guru Ji further says:
    ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਦਾਸੀ ਕਉ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਮਨਮੁਖ ਅੰਧ ਅਗਿਆਨਾ
    The blind, ignorant, self-willed manmukhs forsake their Lord and Master, and dwell on His slave Maya. (Ang 1138)
    Guru Angad Dev Ji describes the goddess as sweeper of the court of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Then how is it possible that a descendant of that tradition could go against the ideas of his ancestors and against his own writings and worship the goddess?

    e) It has been established that Guru Gobind Singh Ji only worshipped One Eternal Waheguru and taught His Sikhs to do the same. Now, let us look at the Shabad and analyze it some.
    The word ਕਾਲਿਕਾdoes not refer to goddess Kalika but to the One Eternal Lord. The word in fact is a compound word, made up of two separate words.
    The first word is: ਕਾਲਿ - Death
    The second word is: ਕਾ - of
    This is not an attempt to break up words so Gurbani can be misinterpreted as in Guru Granth Sahib Ji the word ਕਾਲਿhas been used numerous times.
    ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਬਾਧੀ ਸਭ ਕਾਲਿ 1 ਰਹਾਉ
    Without the Name, all are held in the grip of Death. ||1||Pause|| (Ang 152)
    ਜੋ ਉਪਜੈ ਸੋ ਕਾਲਿ ਸੰਘਾਰਿਆ
    Whoever is created shall be destroyed by Death. (Ang 227)
    ਜਾਂ ਪਕੜਿ ਚਲਾਇਆ ਕਾਲਿ ਤਾਂ ਖਰਾ ਡਰਾਵਣਾ
    When death seizes him, and marches him away, then he looks absolutely hideous. (Ang 645)
    Therefore, the line in correct form would be: ਮਹਾਕਾਲ ਕਾਲਿ ਕਾ ਅਰਾਧੀ 2
    ਮਹਾਕਾਲ - Death
    ਕਾਲਿਕਾ- of death
    ਅਰਾਧੀ - worshipped
    This means that Guru Ji worshipped the One Supreme Power that is death of death. By reading the next lines, it becomes quite clear that these in fact are the correct meanings.
    ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਕਰਤ ਤਪਸਿਆ ਭਯੋ ਦ੍ਵੈ ਤੇ ਏਕ ਰੂਪ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਗਯੋ
    In this way, my meditation reached its zenith and I became One with the Omnipotent Lord.
    It is a well-accepted belief in Sikhi as well as in Hinduism that a goddess is not Waheguru but His creation. If we assume that Guru Ji worshipped goddess then we must admit that before Guru Ji started meditating there were three forms in existence: Lord (Waheguru), Goddess (Kalika) and Guru Ji himself. After a long period of meditation, He became one with Waheguru, which means three forms then became two. However, what Guru Ji says totally contradicts this baseless theory. He clearly states that there were only two in existence: Himself and Waheguru. After meditation, Guru Ji merged with the Light of the true Lord and thus became one with Him. Therefore, two became one. This proves that the worship of goddesses by Guru Sahib never happened. Not only are these stories a fabrication of the truth but also they are a grave misinterpretation of the message of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

    f) Bhai Mani Singh Ji received his baptism from Guru Gobind Singh Ji and learned the meanings of Gurbani. He begins the Gyan Ratnavali with the invocation:
    ਨਾਮ ਸਭ ਦੇਵਾਂ ਦਾ ਦੇਵ ਹੈ ਕੋਈ ਦੇਵੀ ਨੂੰ ਮਨਾਂਵਦਾ ਹੈ, ਕੋਈ ਸ਼ਿਵਾਂ ਨੂੰ, ਕੋਈ ਗਣੇਸ਼ ਨੂੰ, ਕੋਈ ਹੋਰ ਦੇਵਤਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ, ਗੁਰੂ ਕੇ ਸਿਖ ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਨੂੰ ਆਰਾਧਦੇ ਹੈਨ, ਜਿਸ ਕਰਕੇ ਸਭ ਵਿਘਨ ਨਾਸ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਨ, ਤਾਂ ਤੇ ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਦਾ ਮੰਗਲਾਚਾਰ ਆਦਿ ਰੱਖਿਆ ਹੈ
    Name of God is gods of all. Some believe in goddess, some in Shiva and some others in Ganesha and other god. Sikhs of the Guru do not contemplate anybody else other than Sat Naam (True Name) that destroys all disturbances and imperfections. That is why Sat-Naam is invoked in the beginning.
    Had the Tenth Master believed in the goddess is it possible that His student Bhai Mani Singh Ji would write the above? Praise of the goddess is not the counsel of the Tenth Master. The work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji is really a translation of “Durga Saptshati” in Markandya Purana. That is evident from Chandi Charittar as well.
    ਸਤ ਸੈ ਕੀ ਕਥਾ ਯਹਿ ਪੂਰੀ ਭਈ ਹੈ ...232
    This is the end of the story of seven hundred.
    In fact, in the original Sanskrit text the ending is given with great detail. In brief:
    ਦੇਵੀ ਕਹਿੰਦੀ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਮੇਰੀ ਇਸ ਉਸਤਤਿ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਣਦਾ ਔਰ ਨਿਤ ਪੜ੍ਹਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਸ ਦੇ ਸਭ ਦੁਖ, ਪਾਪ, ਦਰਿਦ੍ਰ ਆਦਿਕ ਨਾਸ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ਦੁਸ਼ਮਨ, ਚੋਰ, ਰਾਜਾ, ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਔਰ ਅਗਨੀ, ਇੰਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਸਭਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਡਰ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਯੁੱਧ ਵਿਚ ਪੁਰਸ਼ਾਰਥ ਵਧਦਾ ਹੈ, ਵੈਰੀ ਮਰ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ, ਮੁਕਤੀ ਮਿਲਦੀ ਹੈ, ਕੁਲ ਦਾ ਵਾਧਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਗ੍ਰਹਾਂ ਦੀ ਪੀੜਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ ਰਾਖਸ਼, ਭੂਤ, ਪ੍ਰੇਤ, ਔਰ ਪਿਸ਼ਾਚਾਂ ਦਾ ਨਾਸ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਅੱਗ, ਚੋਰ, ਵੈਰੀ, ਸ਼ੇਰ, ਜੰਗਲੀ ਹਾਥੀ ਇੰਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਘਿਰਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਛੁਟਕਾਰਾ ਪਾਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਰਾਜੇ ਤੋਂ ਜੇ ਮਾਰਨ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮ ਹੋ ਜਾਵੇ ਅਥਵਾ ਕੈਦ ਹੋਵੇ, ਸਮੁੰਦਰ ਵਿਚ ਤੂਫਾਨ ਜਾਵੇ, ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਸਭ ਦੁੱਖਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਬਚ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ (ਇਤਿਆਦਿਕ) (ਦੁਰਗਾ ਸਪਤਸ਼ਤੀ : 12 ਸਲੋਕ 1-29)
    Goddess says, he who listens to and recites daily her praise he loses fear of the thief, king, arms and fire. He becomes strong in battle, his enemies are destroyed. He gets emancipated, offspring multiply, troubles of the house go away, Rakhshas, and ghosts are destroyed. If one is surrounded by thieves, enemies, wild lions, elephants, one gets liberated. If under punishment of death from the king or sentenced for prison, there is storm in the sea, one is saved from all these troubles. Etc., etc. (Durga Saptshati Ch.12 Salok 1-29)
    Guru Gobind Singh Ji has covered all of this briefly in his translation:
    ਜਾਹਿ ਨਮਿੱਤ ਪੜੈ ਸੁਨਿ ਹੈ ਨਰ ਸੋ ਨਿਸਚੈ ਕਰਿ ਤਾਹਿ ਦਈ ਹੈ 232
    For whatever purpose a person reads it or listens to it, the goddess will assuredly grant him that. ||232|| (Chandi Charittar)
    ਫੇਰ ਜੂਨੀ ਆਇਆ ਜਿਨ ਇਹ ਗਾਇਆ ੫੫
    And that person who sings it, will not take birth again. ||55|| (Vaar Chandi)
    The above given information, which is backed with Gurbani and Sikh History makes it crystal clear that Guru Gobind Singh Ji never worshipped the Kalika Devi. Now lets move on to claim number two, which is being put forward by the deceitful RSS and its cohorts.

    The RSS and like-minded Hindu organizations make the claim that At Ardaas (congregational prayer) Sikhs always recite:
    ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਭਗੌਤੀ ਸਿਮਰ ਕੈ...
    In the beginning I remember Bhagauti..
    It clearly shows that in Khalsa Dharma there is worship of the goddess. In fact the word “Bhagauti” is ‘Bhagwati’, which means goddess. Guru Gobind Singh Ji used to write poetry in Persian script and hence Bhawati and Bhagauti are written in the same way. The writers of the Gurmukhi script, without understanding the concept pronunciation made it into Bhagauti.
    In Gurmat Sudhakar the word ‘Bhagauti’ is discussed in details, which will remove the doubt of those spewing this anti Sikh propaganda and also of those gullible Sikhs who have fallen victim to the poison of the RSS . Here are a few questions that should satisfy the queries of those RSS minded individuals.
    a) It is written in the Vaar of Chandi:
    ਲਈ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਦੁਰਗਸਾਹ ਵਰ ਜਾਗਨ ਭਾਰੀ ਲਾਈ ਰਾਜੇ ਸੁੰਭ ਨੋ ਰਤੁ ਪੀਐ ਪਿਆਰੀ
    Durga held out her sword, appearing like a great lustrous fire; She struck it on the king Sumbh and this lovely weapon drinks blood.
    If the word ‘Bhagauti’ means goddess then does, the above mean, “Durga caught hold of bhagauti (goddess) and hit her on the head of Raja Sumbh and she tasted his blood?” What kind of goddess is this bhagauti? Is she a tool that can or is used to hit others?

    b) Guru Arjan Dev Ji composed the verses written below in the Persian language, which were then inscribed by Bhai Gurdas Ji.
    ਭਗਉਤੀ ਭਗਵੰਤ ਭਗਤਿ ਕਾ ਰੰਗੁ ਸਗਲ ਤਿਆਗੈ ਦੁਸਟ ਕਾ ਸੰਗੁ
    ਮਨ ਤੇ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਸਗਲਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਪੂਜੈ ਸਗਲ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ
    ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਪਾਪਾ ਮਲੁ ਖੋਵੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਕੀ ਮਤਿ ਊਤਮ ਹੋਵੈ …..
    ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਚਰਨ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਬਸਾਵੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਐਸਾ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਭਗਵੰਤ ਕਉ ਪਾਵੈ 3
    The true Bhagaautee, the devotee of Adi Shakti, loves the devotional worship of God. He forsakes the company of all wicked people. All doubts are removed from his mind. He performs devotional service to the Supreme Lord God in all. In the Company of the Holy, the filth of sin is washed away. The wisdom of such a Bhagaautee becomes supreme……… The Lotus Feet of the Lord abide in his heart. O Nanak, such a Bhagaautee attains the Lord God. ||3||
    Are the RSS and its cohorts saying that Bhai Gurdas Ji made an error while inscribing the words of Guru Arjan Dev Ji by writing bhagauti instead of bhagwati? They should pay attention to the above verses instead of blindly following the illogical interpretation given by their uneducated scholars and tell us is it Bhagauti or Bhagwati? Moreover, what is its gender? As one can see that, the word ‘Bhagauti’ here is used as masculine and hence it clearly cannot mean goddess.

    c)In the Bhagauti Stotar (Panegyric verse) and in the writings of Bhai Gurdas Ji it is written:
    ਨਮੋ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗੌਤੀ ਬਢੈਲੀ ਸਰੋਹੀ (ਭਗਉਤੀ ਸਤੋਤ੍ਰ ਸਤਰ 1)
    Hail to Siri (mighty) Bhagauti (Sword) that cuts sharp.
    ਨਾਉ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਲੋਹੁ ਘੜਾਇਆ
    Name Bhagauti made of iron. (Bhai Gurdas Ji, Vaar 25)
    Does it mean that Bhagauti (goddess – if that is the meaning) is made of iron? In Dabistan-Mazahib, Mohsanfani has given an account to which he was an eyewitness. His narration of the account should make it clear to those who are foolishly blabbering and spreading the false propaganda (Sikhs worshipped the goddess) that the Sikhs never even respected this so-called goddess let alone worshiped her.
    ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਕੀਰਤਪੁਰ ਪਹੁੰਚੇ, ਜੋ ਤਾਰਾ ਚੰਦ ਦੀ ਰਾਜਧਾਨੀ ਵਿਚ ਸੀ ਉਥੋਂ ਦੇ ਲੋਕ ਮੂਰਤੀ ਪੂਜਕ ਸਨ ਪਹਾੜ ਦੇ ਸਿਰ ਪਰ ਇਕ ਨੈਣਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਦਾ ਮੰਦਰ ਸੀ, ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਪੂਜਣ ਲਈ ਆਸ ਪਾਸ ਦੇ ਲੋਕ ਆਇਆ ਕਰਦੇ ਸਨ ਇਕ ਭੈਰੋਂ ਨਾਮੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਸਿਖ ਨੇ ਮੰਦਰ ਵਿਚ ਪਹੁੰਚ ਕੇ ਨੈਣਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਦਾ ਨੱਕ ਤੋੜ ਸੁੱਟਿਆ ਇਸ ਗੱਲ ਦੀ ਚਰਚਾ ਸਾਰੇ ਫੈਲ ਗਈ ਪਹਾੜੀ ਰਾਜਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਪਾਸ ਪਹੁੰਚ ਕੇ ਸਿੱਖ ਦੀ ਸ਼ਿਕਾਇਤ ਕੀਤੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੇ ਭੈਰੋਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਰਾਜਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਸਾਹਮਣੇ ਬੁਲਾ ਕੇ ਪੁੱਛਿਆ, ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਆਖਿਆ ਕੇ ਦੇਵੀ ਤੋਂ ਪੁੱਛਣਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਓਸ ਦਾ ਨੱਕ ਕਿਸ ਨੇ ਤੋੜਿਆ ਹੈ ਇਸ ਪਰ ਰਾਜਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਭੈਰੋਂ ਨੂੰ ਆਖਿਆ ਕਿ ਹੇ ਮੂਰਖ! ਕਦੇ ਦੇਵੀ ਭੀ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਕਰ ਸਕਦੀ ਹੈ? ਭੈਰੋਂ ਨੇ ਹੱਸ ਕੇ ਜਵਾਬ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਕਿ ਜੋ ਦੇਵੀ ਬੋਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਕਦੀ ਔਰ ਆਪਣੇ ਅੰਗਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਨਹੀਂ ਬਚਾ ਸਕਦੀ, ਤੁਸੀਂ ਓਸ ਤੋਂ ਨੇਕੀ ਦੀ ਕੀ ਉਮੈਦ ਰਖਦੇ ਹੋ? ਇਸ ਗੱਲ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਣ ਕੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਚੁੱਪ ਹੋ ਗਏ
    Guru Gobind Singh Ji reached Kiratpur, which was in the state of Raja Tara Chand. People of that state worshipped the goddess. On the hilltop there was a temple of Naina Devi (goddess) and people used to come there for worship. There was a Sikh Bhairo. He cut the nose of the goddess (idol). News spread all over, the hill kings complained to the Guru. The Guru enquired from the Sikh in front of the kings. He said, “It should be asked from the goddess who has cut her nose.” On this the kings said, “Bhairo, are you an idiot? You know the goddess cannot speak.” Bhairo laughed and replied, “if the goddess (idol) cannot speak and cannot protect the body then what good you expect from her?” Then the kings were quiet.
    In conclusion it would be worthwhile to say something about the goddess to our Sikh brethren.
    Dear followers of Guru Nanak: First of all, consider who the goddess was and what good she has done for the world? From the Puranas we learn that she was the daughter of the Himalayas and was married to Shiva. This is why she is known by various names such as Parvati and Girja. She helped the gods by fighting against the demons. She also helped Indra a number of times to gain his throne. Indra is the god who spent his entire day watching the dance and show of beautiful maidens and passed his time in pleasures. From the Puranas we learn that there was hardly a Rishi (saint) whom Indra did not disturb while they were meditating, by sending women whose characters were morally corrupt. Indra himself indulged with the wives of the saints, one such story is that of Aahaleya. What good did the goddess perform by helping a person whose character was so unbelievably corrupt and sinful? What reforms Indra introduce on taking his throne?
    Some self-willed individuals say that they do not worship the daughter of Himalaya, i.e. the goddess with eight arms, but instead they believe in her power, which they say is the Eternal power of God. We ask them, is God’s power separate from Himself? Is it Eternal? If you accept Devi (goddess) separate from God, conscious, primal and eternal and worship that, then you do not accept Ik Oankar (One God) concept of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, which is not Sikhi. If the goddess is not separate from God then to worship her by giving her a separate image is ignorance and lack of sagacity. If goddess is some transient (non-eternal) identity even then according to Sikh religion she is not worthy of worship. In principle, there is no justification for the worship of goddess in Sikhi.
    Dear Sikh brothers, in our religion there have been noble women such as Bibi Nanaki, Bibi Amro, Bibi Bhani Ji, Bibi Veero Ji, Mata Sahib Kaur Ji and Mayee Bhaag Kaur Ji. Study their lives, remember their good deeds, follow them and instruct your daughters to gain good qualities like theirs. Thereby your human birth will be fruitful and you will be worthy of being called the sons and daughters of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. This will make you reformers in the country.
    There is another goddess which Guru Gobind Singh Ji has blessed you with. Without that, you will be greatly distant from religion. By dint of that goddess you removed injustice from Punjab and what is now called India and you were respected by the Muslims and British. That goddess is:
    ਨਮੋ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗੌਤੀ ਬਢੈਲੀ ਸਰੋਹੀ ਕਰੇ ਏਕ ਤੇ ਦਵੈ ਸੁਭਟ ਹਾਥ ਸੋਹੀ
    (ਭਗਉਤੀ ਸਤੋਤ੍ਰ ਸਤਰ 1-2)
    Hail to Siri (mighty) Bhagauti (Sword) that cuts sharp. That makes two of one and is beautiful in hand.
    ਜੋਊ ਮੰਯਾਨ ਤੇ ਬੀਰ ਤੋ ਕੋ ਸੜੱਕੈ ਪ੍ਰਲੈ ਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਸਿੰਧ ਬੱਕੈ ਕੜੱਕੈ
    ਧਸੈ ਖੇਤ ਮੈਂ ਹਾਥ ਲੈ ਤੋਹਿ ਸੂਰੇ ਭਿਟੈ ਸਾਮੂਹੈ ਸਿੱਧ ਸਾਵੰਤ ਸੂਰੇ (ਭਗਉਤੀ ਸਤੋਤ੍ਰ ਸਤਰ 21-24)
    When the brave take thee out of the sheath, they roar and pass the ocean of death. They advance in the battlefield and fight advancing forward.
    By turning your backs on these devis (noble women) you have offered many riches to these blood thirsty goddesses. If you had spent that on the well-being of your daughters, the name of the Sikhs would have been known like the sun all over the world and coming generations would have been grateful to you. Still there is time. If you want progress for your Quam (community) and country, establish schools and colleges where Sikh character can be infused, reinforced and nourish devis (noble women) who are strong, praise worthy and worthy of Dharma. By that your decedents will learn of the counsel of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and they will change the kali-age (age of darkness) into Satyug (age of truth). Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

    #4 kaur-1, Aug 17, 2006
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  6. vijaydeep Singh

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    Well fact is that RSS guys do not know thier own Vedas or Vedanta correectly.

    well if we see in India,it is only restrcited to bit more to upper caste urbanite and youonger generation Hindus are getting away from it and only a few old men cmoe to Shakha.

    We can attract those Hindus,who leave RSS into our fold.We cannhave pool of potemntial converts in Bajrang Dal.

    Veer Saverkar of Hindu Mahasabha was a big critic of RSS,as he did found lack of sisncerety in them regarding uplift ment of lower part of Hindu socity.Still they lack qaulty of responsiblity which is helpfull for the ruler.
  7. OP

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    Gurfateh Khalsa Ji!!!

    For past some time I was reading about the activities of Rastriye Sikh Sangat , an RSS branch. They are trying to link Sikh guru to Hindu God-Goddess. By either, taking examples of what happened in Sikh gurudwara under the control of Mahant or Udassies. They guys pick gurbani from here and there, and sight examples to claim that Sikh Guru's actually workshipped God and Goddess.
    I know this kind of propaganda is ON, since pre-independence era.

    An the worrisome part is that many *confused* sikh's in India have started believing these stories in part. Its a gradual change but over years (with kind of media presence they have )these guys can easily convince many.

    Already we see sikhs visiting "Maat de Jagraate", vaisno devi, visiting dargarh's or mazars, visiting pandit ji to find "dukh nivaaran" receipe, sikhs too throng on "Ganesh Chaturathi", you can see them doing "pitr dann" on "Ganga Ghat". And this isn't just a rural phenomenon but is seen in most urban families as well.

    When you all this happens then where is the difference?

    Reasons could be many. However the core reason could be a hugh lagging on our part to educate our youth (may be to elders as well but only upto some extent) on importantance and beauties of Sikhi way of living. Many have shaved there faces then wear nice "colored" turban, drink to "full bliss", then the whole family visit some baba's dera to claim that they are real sikh. These people then form the current "fanatic sikh" jamat. To them Shri Darbar Sahib looks like party office and "babe da dera" is real gurdwara. Eventually they don't feel the Guru anywhere.

    Somehow when I see what Harbhajan Yogi has done in west, I wish same can be done all across India. These people here who used to live life of full leisure, with wine and beer, finish packs and packs of cigrates, has now completely shed that lifestyle. Now without any doubt in there mind they follow guru's "hukam", live a real sikh's life, and live in complete "Chardi Kalan".

    So nobody can question them in US that they are Hindu's or something else. Its only we (the sikh's from India) that are usually questioned. The reason is because we behave no different that a average Hindu in India.

    Unless we really demonstrate what Guru Sahiban has given us, we can reach no where. I met people who still have questions like
    -why should I wear turban?
    -why amrit? (logic given is that Its a 300 yr old idea not fully valid today)
    -why not trim or shave and look smart?
    -what will happen if I recite bani?
    -why not drink/eat and enjoy life?
    -why to wake up 3 in the morning and waste your sleep?
    And then parents claim there sons/daughter doesn't listen to them on matters of sikhi. How would kids listen to them if they them self never practiced what they are preaching to young ones. Our gurdwara's spend more on furnishing an dmaking bigger gurdwara in competition, then on educating youngs on basic ethos. If by chance some baba establishes a school or hospital or rain basera then he becomes Sant.
    These issues may look small but they contribute to the bigger problem.

    In the end I feel that if our generation (and of course future ones) understand,adopt/live Sikh way of life in toto then RSS is no thing to challenge us in anyway. Once we demonstrate our true wisdoms ,not by posters or debates, but by living like a true sikh. Everybody will would love to join in.

    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
    Waheguru Ji Kee Fateh
  8. vijaydeep Singh

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    Das agree to brother Ceo N Ji,

    Das was astinshed to see an idiot turbaned Hindu wrting Tenth Master as emblam bearer of Hindutva in one poster and that also in Sikh domnated Area of Delhi.

    Hindutva is more to do with race or nation while universal form of Gurmat does not reconganse such preshaible worldy things.

    RSS hindutva thing does goes anti to Holy Vedas themselves as they do not have word Hindu in them.They are spritual thing,while Hindutva guys are more after worldly non sense.

    Even Udaiss at upper level have faith in Akal.Now there is division in them.Some have become Hindu and follow Bhole Baba but majorty still have faith in Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
  9. dalbirk

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    Dear Sir,
    I feel whenever this stupid question comes , all we have to do is hand over that person a copy of ' HUM HINDU NAHIN ' by Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha Ji . This book is published by Singh Brothers , Amritsar & it is available at Lahore Book Shop , Near Society Cinema , Ludhiana . Phone no 0161 - 6540738 , 2740738 . This book is available in English , Punjabi & Hindi costing Rs . 30/ ( Thirty Rupees only ) . This book is 110 yrs old & to date none of the RSS fanatics have any answer to it .
    Das is willing to do Seva to anybody interested .
    Regards ,
    Dalbir Singh
  10. spnadmin

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    Dalbir ji, why don't you write up a summary of this book with all of the information above and post it in the Scholarly Books thread? It will really be a good contribution.
  11. pk70

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    All jio

    Some fanatics have been trying to prove their dream t idea about Sikhs as part of Hindus unsuccessfully. Our leaders are in slumber so some time they succeed some people to detour from real path. Kaur-1ji has very impressively proved that they are just trying to make their dreams to be looked at as a reality.
    Hundred year ago, Bhai Kahan Singh ji had towrite a book(mentioned by Dalbirkji)" Hum Hindu Nahi", to shut the fanatics up. They mushroom time to time. Kaur-1 ji, good job.
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