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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 84647" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>Can you accept there has always been a sanatan <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Sikh</a> opinion, which by existing does not "insult" or "offend" your extreme sensitivity as having <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Sikh</a> identity based solely on intolerance and rejection of all things Hindu?</p><p> <strong>You talk about Nirmale quite often, Firt Guru ji’s son was not considered worth to carry on Guru ji’s jyot, why? His views were not aligned with Guru ji’s. That tells the whole story in context of Nanak Panth about all others views. Thanks to those Muslims who recorded Sikhism as Nanak Panth at least they didn’t negate the originality of Sikhism like you are doing now. Guru Gobind Singh ji never asked for separate state or propagated against Hindus, why more Hindu kings kept harassing him? Wasn’t he representing Guru Nanak who wrote” Wismaad Ved”? Why Hindu fanatic turned so cruel against house of Nanak? Why, what Lakhpat rai did and said, is forgotten and only what Muslim fanatics did, is remembered. Why a witness of genocide, Hindu PM says” when big tree fall, this kind of stuff happens?” Why pundit Nehru in his Memo told civil servants that Sikhs were not good? I used word Fanatic with those Hindus but never curse or showed my hatred towards Hindu public but you are coloring it in bad sense simply because of your poor judgmental merit.</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Last but not least, Bhain ji, you have never answered my crucial questions, only thing that bothers you is about Hinduism, Vashnavas, Vedas, avataras. It seems you have a determination to campaign against those Sikhs who fail to pass Gurbani test just as you and I.</strong></p><p><strong></strong> Those devtas are being described in Gurbani. There is ample historical evidence those devtas were included in <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Sikh</a> Gurdwaras and Harmandir Sahib. I'm showing that Vishnu is being described in Gurbani, in relation to the pauri praising the Das Avataaras because that is the definition of Vaishnavism. And that is why I have said Guruji is Vaishnav. I have not seen anyone correct this opinion as wrong, only ridiculous overreaction of feeling "personally offended" and "insulted" that sanatan <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Sikhism</a> is expressed, has a history, and even supported by Gurbani.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Bhain ji, you are talking about Devtas in Gurdawaras, they tried to install Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji in Mandirs, you are proving Sikhism as Hinduism not on the basis of Scriptures as fair scholars do but like biased ones who notice those things and beat their empty drums.. Gurgaddi was given to Sri guru Granth Sahib only, but look, Dasam Granth which was not in that shape at the time of Tenth Nanak, is revered as Guru too and installed in Gurdawaras. Followers of Banda Bahadur also started calling him Guru as per Historical records. How you can judge Sikhism on these baseless things.</strong></p><p></p><p> Gurubani and even Vaisnava Puranas claim there are millions of avataars just like there are millions of worlds. But the das avataaras are special to OUR world</p><p></p><p><strong>You are just getting desparate Bhain ji to prove your false assumptions as true ones, Guru ji says"he created like them millions", that is a fact, Guru ji or Bhagat Kabir ji do not say that these ten or twelve are special ones. Only you are saying, Sikhs follow Guru not you. When reasons run out, speculations take over, that fact is pretty much applicable here. By the way I am not against any Devtas, for me every thing is Guru Nanak, just I have been trying to say do not force these guys on us, that is not that big I am asking. !!!</strong></p><p><strong>Enjoy what Guru ji says literally about those you say special for this world </strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/FONT] <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇਤੇ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਵਣ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਣੀ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵੈਸੰਤਰ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇਤੇ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਾਨ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹੇਸ</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">kaethae pavan paanee vaisanthar kaethae kaan mehaes ||</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">So many winds, waters and fires; so many Krishnas and Shivas.( JAPJI Sahib Mehl-1)</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 84647, member: 5889"] Can you accept there has always been a sanatan [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Sikh[/URL] opinion, which by existing does not "insult" or "offend" your extreme sensitivity as having [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Sikh[/URL] identity based solely on intolerance and rejection of all things Hindu? [B]You talk about Nirmale quite often, Firt Guru ji’s son was not considered worth to carry on Guru ji’s jyot, why? His views were not aligned with Guru ji’s. That tells the whole story in context of Nanak Panth about all others views. Thanks to those Muslims who recorded Sikhism as Nanak Panth at least they didn’t negate the originality of Sikhism like you are doing now. Guru Gobind Singh ji never asked for separate state or propagated against Hindus, why more Hindu kings kept harassing him? Wasn’t he representing Guru Nanak who wrote” Wismaad Ved”? Why Hindu fanatic turned so cruel against house of Nanak? Why, what Lakhpat rai did and said, is forgotten and only what Muslim fanatics did, is remembered. Why a witness of genocide, Hindu PM says” when big tree fall, this kind of stuff happens?” Why pundit Nehru in his Memo told civil servants that Sikhs were not good? I used word Fanatic with those Hindus but never curse or showed my hatred towards Hindu public but you are coloring it in bad sense simply because of your poor judgmental merit.[/B] [B]Last but not least, Bhain ji, you have never answered my crucial questions, only thing that bothers you is about Hinduism, Vashnavas, Vedas, avataras. It seems you have a determination to campaign against those Sikhs who fail to pass Gurbani test just as you and I. [/B] Those devtas are being described in Gurbani. There is ample historical evidence those devtas were included in [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Sikh[/URL] Gurdwaras and Harmandir Sahib. I'm showing that Vishnu is being described in Gurbani, in relation to the pauri praising the Das Avataaras because that is the definition of Vaishnavism. And that is why I have said Guruji is Vaishnav. I have not seen anyone correct this opinion as wrong, only ridiculous overreaction of feeling "personally offended" and "insulted" that sanatan [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Sikhism[/URL] is expressed, has a history, and even supported by Gurbani. [B]Bhain ji, you are talking about Devtas in Gurdawaras, they tried to install Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji in Mandirs, you are proving Sikhism as Hinduism not on the basis of Scriptures as fair scholars do but like biased ones who notice those things and beat their empty drums.. Gurgaddi was given to Sri guru Granth Sahib only, but look, Dasam Granth which was not in that shape at the time of Tenth Nanak, is revered as Guru too and installed in Gurdawaras. Followers of Banda Bahadur also started calling him Guru as per Historical records. How you can judge Sikhism on these baseless things.[/B] Gurubani and even Vaisnava Puranas claim there are millions of avataars just like there are millions of worlds. But the das avataaras are special to OUR world [B]You are just getting desparate Bhain ji to prove your false assumptions as true ones, Guru ji says"he created like them millions", that is a fact, Guru ji or Bhagat Kabir ji do not say that these ten or twelve are special ones. Only you are saying, Sikhs follow Guru not you. When reasons run out, speculations take over, that fact is pretty much applicable here. By the way I am not against any Devtas, for me every thing is Guru Nanak, just I have been trying to say do not force these guys on us, that is not that big I am asking. !!! Enjoy what Guru ji says literally about those you say special for this world [/B][/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੇਤੇ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪਵਣ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਣੀ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਵੈਸੰਤਰ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕੇਤੇ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕਾਨ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹੇਸ[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [FONT=Helvetica]kaethae pavan paanee vaisanthar kaethae kaan mehaes ||[/FONT] [FONT=Helvetica]So many winds, waters and fires; so many Krishnas and Shivas.( JAPJI Sahib Mehl-1)[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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